Tonda Eckert

[AlexLaw76]

It has been said before, but his appointment was just fucking odd. More so as it was very obvious they club really wanted him as soon as GoN was not going to happen.

Just weird, but then...we have absolutely terrible owners

[Gloucester Saint]

Tonda: The Power of Nightmares

[Saint NL]

You just know this bullshit is going on at Saints.... 

 

 

[Lee On Solent Saint]

Just now, AlexLaw76 said:

It has been said before, but his appointment was just fucking odd. More so as it was very obvious they club really wanted him as soon as GoN was not going to happen.

Just weird, but then...we have absolutely terrible owners

I would have taken O'Neil ahead of this absolute no mark we have now. Skate connections and all.

[Willo of Whiteley]

7 minutes ago, Saint NL said:

You just know this bullshit is going on at Saints.... 

 

 

This is what I was saying yesterday, that whole “technical director or director of football” role - it’s absolute bollocks.

They make all the decisions but don’t see the flack of it goes wrong.

The “head coach” nowadays is the fall guy.

They just get a bundle of players thrown to them and told “make it work” and when it inevitably doesn’t they get sacked.
Manchester United, Nottingham Forest, West Ham and now us are three examples of where it is going horrendously wrong.
You can’t tell me that many of those clubs signings in recent years have been their head coach’s decisions.

[SaintsRoyalty]

Managers usually fall into two categories at this level. One they have good few years of management behind them and two they are ex players so at least understand what it’s like to be players, have picked up knowledge from managers they have played under etc. Rather astonishingly, this guy is neither of those things so is as about as green as it gets.

I’m not someone that thinks you have had to play the game to manage, or that age is a limiting factor, but the odds of this guy being up to the job were about as long as they get. It was a huge gamble even by Sport Republic’s standards. He is already showing that all he has in his arsenal is to play one formation and sub like for like. A literal novice with no interest in the game would have those tactics. We need to cut our losses with him asap.

[Osvaldorama]

17 minutes ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

This is what I was saying yesterday, that whole “technical director or director of football” role - it’s absolute bollocks.

They make all the decisions but don’t see the flack of it goes wrong.

The “head coach” nowadays is the fall guy.

They just get a bundle of players thrown to them and told “make it work” and when it inevitably doesn’t they get sacked.
Manchester United, Nottingham Forest, West Ham and now us are three examples of where it is going horrendously wrong.
You can’t tell me that many of those clubs signings in recent years have been their head coach’s decisions.

I agree. The Wilcox quotes are everything wrong with modern football. 
 

A strong manager that makes all the decisions is what’s required for a successful team. This applies in the modern era as much as the past.
 

See: Pep, Klopp, Arteta, Unai, Fergie, Wenger..  I could go on and on. 
 

All you get with this director set up is too many cooks, creating a cluster fuck.
You can see it clearly in our squad over the last 4 seasons. Too many opposing ideas. 

[Miltonaggro]

1 hour ago, Mboto Gorge said:

If only we could have seen this coming eh? 

Yes, it’s almost like the club is run by people who don’t know what they are doing. 

[Miltonaggro]

37 minutes ago, Saint NL said:

You just know this bullshit is going on at Saints.... 

 

 

He is just like a manager. The manager of a branch of Shoe Express. 

[USaintA]

I don't know about anyone else, but I am starting to get the feeling that appointing this geezer might not've been such a good idea. 

[Turkish]

1 hour ago, Saint NL said:

You just know this bullshit is going on at Saints.... 

 

 

100% the like a manager guy setting the rules but taking none of the blame 

Edited yesterday at 20:51 by Turkish

[qwertyell]

1 hour ago, Saint NL said:

You just know this bullshit is going on at Saints.... 

 

 

"I'm basically just a chilled out entertainer."

[Holmes_and_Watson]

53 minutes ago, Miltonaggro said:

He is just like a manager. The manager of a branch of Shoe Express. 

Harsh. 

I'm sure Shoe Express managers have to be able to know what they're doing and use that to provide the goods to their customers.

Wilcox got handed boots as part of his boot deal. I doubt he's up to it.

[Willo of Whiteley]

15 minutes ago, qwertyell said:

"I'm basically just a chilled out entertainer."

Friend first, boss second 

[bugenhagen]

2 hours ago, Osvaldorama said:

I agree. The Wilcox quotes are everything wrong with modern football. 

A strong manager that makes all the decisions is what’s required for a successful team. This applies in the modern era as much as the past.

See: Pep, Klopp, Arteta, Unai, Fergie, Wenger..  I could go on and on. 

All you get with this director set up is too many cooks, creating a cluster fuck.
You can see it clearly in our squad over the last 4 seasons. Too many opposing ideas. 

Which is what the sporting director, one vision idea was supposed to counter. If you have an aligned idea in the leadership of the club, it should make it easier to change managers (or head coaches), without disrupting the team too much.

Somehow SR are getting the worst of both worlds 😄 

Oh, and Tonda out! He probably won't win more than 5 games the rest of the season if he is kept in place, so might as well cut our losses now.

Edited yesterday at 22:16 by bugenhagen

[Dr Who?]

If Sports Republic put the right people in place and let them get on with it, it might just work. Not over complicate things, don’t get to involved and let the football experts get on with it, it might just work out on the pitch. 

I have watched This is Wrexham and they have the set up completely spot on at a smaller club. Those that deal as experts on every level of the club, each area! 

Sports republic have spent money, but on the wrong players, since they have turned up at the club. If they do not strip out the club top to bottom in the summer, they need more pressure put on the to sell up and clear off.

It is not the managers fault, it is not the players faults, it is the interfering owners who are not football people. We carry on like this we will continue sink.

The second half today was a shambles and it should have been a walk in the park. I just do not understand the tactics time and time again. Oh yes I can, it is our yes man of a puppet (not his fault) doing what he is told. 

I cannot keep paying out to travel to these games, it is just insanely crazy 🤪 

[Challenger]

Out of his depth 

Out of ideas and management nous 

Out of a job come the summer 

[Fabrice29]

Genuinely came on here expecting a bit of praise for ‘finally changing to 4 at the back and getting a tune of them like we all said he should’ and then making a tactical change that nullified the threat when the players shit the bed like they always do 😂

[Dr Who?]

15 minutes ago, Challenger said:

Out of his depth 

Out of ideas and management nous 

Out of a job come the summer 

And will be replaced by another yes man, and it will go on and on at our rotten club. It is not just our club it is happening with owners and over complicating set up at many other clubs. Carlisle United owners are spot on commercially, but sank the club with bad on the field appointments, because again, they had the money but not the football experience. On the commercial side they are pushing all the right buttons which has seen a continued growth in the support of the club. But it’s a results business and 2 seasons of relegation has been because of these mistakes. Even though they realised their errors at being mugged off and throwing money around at the wrong people ‘experts’ within the club, these things take time to turn around. They got Mark Hughes in to manage the team, but was to late for last season, but now things are starting to look much better again, but it is still a long way off having the balance right. 

Sports Republic needs to see that they are screwing things up time and time again, and get people in that know their onions on the football side of things, and leave them to it. Trusted, experienced football people. Nice and simple set up and go back to basics and stay out of that side of things. If they cannot do this, then it is in their best interest and the best interest of the club, that they sell up and move on. It’s not going to work with their interference. 

Keep what you are doing on the commercial side, but I would prefer that you just put your money in. At least you will not be wasting it having experts looking after your investment. 

[Dr Who?]

8 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

Genuinely came on here expecting a bit of praise for ‘finally changing to 4 at the back and getting a tune of them like we all said he should’ and then making a tactical change that nullified the threat when the players shit the bed like they always do 😂

We kind of did, but they still could and perhaps should have taken it to extra time. That second half was a shambles, but not as much of some of the past shambles. We got it all wrong at half time again. But we won and we are in the hat. 

[influx]

3 hours ago, Osvaldorama said:

 

 

All you get with this director set up is too many cocks, creating a cluster fuck.
You can see it clearly in our squad over the last 4 seasons. Too many opposing ideas. 

Fixed 

[revolution saint]

7 hours ago, Saint86 said:

Plenty of people thought he was mustard @revolution saint being a prime example who was all too ready to rip into anyone who said a cautionary word early doors... 🤣😂

Except I didn’t you weird fuck. Tell you what mate, why not reply directly to any of my posts? 

[die Mannyschaft]

1 hour ago, Dr Who? said:

If Sports Republic put the right people in place and let them get on with it, it might just work. Not over complicate things, don’t get to involved and let the football experts get on with it, it might just work out on the pitch. 

I have watched This is Wrexham and they have the set up completely spot on at a smaller club. Those that deal as experts on every level of the club, each area! 

Sports republic have spent money, but on the wrong players, since they have turned up at the club. If they do not strip out the club top to bottom in the summer, they need more pressure put on the to sell up and clear off.

It is not the managers fault, it is not the players faults, it is the interfering owners who are not football people. We carry on like this we will continue sink.

The second half today was a shambles and it should have been a walk in the park. I just do not understand the tactics time and time again. Oh yes I can, it is our yes man of a puppet (not his fault) doing what he is told. 

I cannot keep paying out to travel to these games, it is just insanely crazy 🤪 

No one near me could work out the tactics or anyone on coach back. I don't think the players do either.

Agree

The second half today was a shambles and it should have been a walk in the park. I just do not understand the tactics time and time again

[Wade Garrett]

9 hours ago, Dr Who? said:

And will be replaced by another yes man, and it will go on and on at our rotten club. It is not just our club it is happening with owners and over complicating set up at many other clubs. Carlisle United owners are spot on commercially, but sank the club with bad on the field appointments, because again, they had the money but not the football experience. On the commercial side they are pushing all the right buttons which has seen a continued growth in the support of the club. But it’s a results business and 2 seasons of relegation has been because of these mistakes. Even though they realised their errors at being mugged off and throwing money around at the wrong people ‘experts’ within the club, these things take time to turn around. They got Mark Hughes in to manage the team, but was to late for last season, but now things are starting to look much better again, but it is still a long way off having the balance right. 

Sports Republic needs to see that they are screwing things up time and time again, and get people in that know their onions on the football side of things, and leave them to it. Trusted, experienced football people. Nice and simple set up and go back to basics and stay out of that side of things. If they cannot do this, then it is in their best interest and the best interest of the club, that they sell up and move on. It’s not going to work with their interference. 

Keep what you are doing on the commercial side, but I would prefer that you just put your money in. At least you will not be wasting it having experts looking after your investment. 

Someone should send this post to Dragan.  Total common sense.

[Football Special]

13 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

It has been said before, but his appointment was just fucking odd. More so as it was very obvious they club really wanted him as soon as GoN was not going to happen.

Just weird, but then...we have absolutely terrible owners

I agree, said at the time our run of wins was too small a sample to base any longer term decisions on without a proper strategy. We must have the most inexperienced coaching team in the football league 

[Football Special]

11 hours ago, Dr Who? said:

If Sports Republic put the right people in place and let them get on with it, it might just work. Not over complicate things, don’t get to involved and let the football experts get on with it, it might just work out on the pitch. 

I have watched This is Wrexham and they have the set up completely spot on at a smaller club. Those that deal as experts on every level of the club, each area! 

Sports republic have spent money, but on the wrong players, since they have turned up at the club. If they do not strip out the club top to bottom in the summer, they need more pressure put on the to sell up and clear off.

It is not the managers fault, it is not the players faults, it is the interfering owners who are not football people. We carry on like this we will continue sink.

The second half today was a shambles and it should have been a walk in the park. I just do not understand the tactics time and time again. Oh yes I can, it is our yes man of a puppet (not his fault) doing what he is told. 

I cannot keep paying out to travel to these games, it is just insanely crazy 🤪 

Yes! Well said, SR have had some terrible advice from whoever is guiding them on appointments (Rasmus) 

[tdmickey3]

What did the idiot say in his post match speech?

[Wade Garrett]

50 minutes ago, Football Special said:

Yes! Well said, SR have had some terrible advice from whoever is guiding them on appointments (Rasmus) 

It’s still on the decision maker regardless of the advice.

I don’t know why anyone would listen to Rasmus about anything to do with football, so it’s totally on the idiots that listen to the fraudulent wanker.

[Miltonaggro]

4 hours ago, Football Special said:

I agree, said at the time our run of wins was too small a sample to base any longer term decisions on without a proper strategy. We must have the most inexperienced coaching team in the football league 

I think a savvy board would have thanked Tonka profusely with a suitable bonus for the good run, then appointed the likes of OGS with members of his coaching staff. Option for Tonka to join the first team backroom staff under a highly experienced mentor, or back to U21 with stock high. Then given the manager input in the window for departures and additions with a push at momentum in play offs. It’s Ekhert’s long term career as well as our club that gets fucked over here, due to the endemic incompetence and negligence. 

[Dr. Kucho]

Lose the Skates and its exit Eckert? I know we can’t keep hiring and firing managers but we cannot lose to them down the road.

[Wade Garrett]

It’s such a fuck-up that it’s painfully obvious that Eckert will be gone at the end of the season 100%.

Team are going nowhere, he is painfully out of his depth and season ticket renewals will fall through the floor.

Just remember, Ole was virtually begging to be appointed and there were credible alternatives.

[tdmickey3]

22 minutes ago, Dr. Kucho said:

Lose the Skates and its exit Eckert? I know we can’t keep hiring and firing managers but we cannot lose to them down the road.

We will lose mate, I have come to terms with it.
It will piss me right off but it’s inevitable.

[Willo of Whiteley]

11 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

It’s such a fuck-up that it’s painfully obvious that Eckert will be gone at the end of the season 100%.

Team are going nowhere, he is painfully out of his depth and season ticket renewals will fall through the floor.

Just remember, Ole was virtually begging to be appointed and there were credible alternatives.

Would’ve loved to see Ole Gunner Solskjaer.

Thought he got the team playing excellent stuff when he was at Man United.

[Miltonaggro]

1 minute ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

Would’ve loved to see Ole Gunner Solskjaer.

Thought he got the team playing excellent stuff when he was at Man United.

A gut feeling he would have been a great fit for Saints. Old school SFC success story. Not going to find out under clownforce. 

[bangkoksaint]

3 minutes ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

Would’ve loved to see Ole Gunner Solskjaer.

Thought he got the team playing excellent stuff when he was at Man United.

I get the impression too that if we’d have been successful he wouldn’t just have his head turned by another club and may well have shown a bit of loyalty. 

[Willo of Whiteley]

I think most managers, or my mistake, “head coaches” are all doomed to fail with Sport Republic here.

[Dr Who?]

14 minutes ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

I think most managers, or my mistake, “head coaches” are all doomed to fail with Sport Republic here.

I thought you were going to stop that at ‘doomed to fail’ just general statement with football in the whole. Because most do. 

Edited 5 hours ago by Dr Who?

[Turkish]

2 hours ago, Wade Garrett said:

It’s such a fuck-up that it’s painfully obvious that Eckert will be gone at the end of the season 100%.

Team are going nowhere, he is painfully out of his depth and season ticket renewals will fall through the floor.

Just remember, Ole was virtually begging to be appointed and there were credible alternatives.

You don’t show yourself to be a genius by appointing someone who is already a proven manager 

[Wade Garrett]

2 minutes ago, Turkish said:

You don’t show yourself to be a genius by appointing someone who is already a proven manager 

You’re right.  So many arrogant twats at the club.

[kitch]

One thing I would say, is that it's easy to turn on Tonda now but after the run he went on when he took over, I saw most Saints fans (myself included) say that he'd earned a stab at the job full time.

No debate that it's not working out, but on that winning run alone I can see why the club offered him the gig. Ultimately it looks like it'll just be another of the entries in the SR book of fuckups, but I reckon many of us would have done the same thing (as opposed to their other fuckups, where they do really stupid stuff that you don't even need hindsight to see wouldn't work).

Edited 4 hours ago by kitch
cock up

[Willo of Whiteley]

Agree with Kitch. I didn’t want him to get the role but he made it hard for him not to with that run.

It was excellent.

But what we’ve seen since is nothing short of underwhelming, careful, fearful and incompetent.

Abysmal game management of players over the winter period too.

[Dr Who?]

16 minutes ago, kitch said:

One thing I would say, is that it's easy to turn on Tonda now but after the run he went on when he took over, I saw most Saints fans (myself included) say that he'd earned a stab at the job full time.

No debate that it's not working out, but on that winning run alone I can see why the club offered him the gig. Ultimately it looks like it'll just be another of the entries in the SR book of fuckups, but I reckon many of us would have done the same thing (as opposed to their other fuckups, where they do really stupid stuff that you don't even need hindsight to see wouldn't work).

I don’t think fans will turn on Tonda, why would they, we can see now that he is another puppet. We cannot keep going through this cycle, and it needs to be broken one way or another and if it is not, we will continue to spiral downwards. It’s up to the owner to strip out and start again or cut their loses and sell up. 

If you or I were investing heavily (especially in an arena where you are gonna lose money over a period of time away) you would take advice from others that have experience in that area. It just seems madness, to keep spending in the wrong areas and making the wrong choices. You have to ask is this normal behaviour, to waste your money over and over again in the playing area of the club. 

I do think that football has been over complicated to generate jobs and money for football people, as money has got more and more out of control. 

It really should not be this hard. 

You have money you want to invest, you get advice and you surround yourself with ‘experts’ that know the game, and you let them advise you! If they get it wrong over time you move them on, like in any business and get someone else in. But get it as right as you can from the off. 

Honestly I’m done at the moment after standing through another very poor second half. But I will go again as it is what me and my boy do. That part is fun, the football very frustrating. We should be in a great position as a club, but we are getting it so badly wrong! 

[Gloucester Saint]

2 minutes ago, Dr Who? said:

I don’t think fans will turn on Tonda, why would they, we can see now that he is another puppet. We cannot keep going through this cycle, and it needs to be broken one way or another and if it is not, we will continue to spiral downwards. It’s up to the owner to strip out and start again or cut their loses and sell up. 

If you or I were investing heavily (especially in an arena where you are gonna lose money over a period of time away) you would take advice from others that have experience in that area. It just seems madness, to keep spending in the wrong areas and making the wrong choices. You have to ask is this normal behaviour, to waste your money over and over again in the playing area of the club. 

I do think that football has been over complicated to generate jobs and money for football people, as money has got more and more out of control. 

It really should not be this hard. 

You have money you want to invest, you get advice and you surround yourself with ‘experts’ that know the game, and you let them advise you! If they get it wrong over time you move them on, like in any business and get someone else in. But get it as right as you can from the off. 

Honestly I’m done at the moment after standing through another very poor second half. But I will go again as it is what me and my boy do. That part is fun, the football very frustrating. We should be in a great position as a club, but we are getting it so badly wrong! 

Agree with that but Solak won’t bin off Ankerson or at least limit him to Goztepe only (as he promised to do) so the only option is to sell.

[Starksj1995]

Tonda will be sacked soon lose hull with the protests planned he be gone 

[bugenhagen]

31 minutes ago, kitch said:

One thing I would say, is that it's easy to turn on Tonda now but after the run he went on when he took over, I saw most Saints fans (myself included) say that he'd earned a stab at the job full time.

No debate that it's not working out, but on that winning run alone I can see why the club offered him the gig. Ultimately it looks like it'll just be another of the entries in the SR book of fuckups, but I reckon many of us would have done the same thing (as opposed to their other fuckups, where they do really stupid stuff that you don't even need hindsight to see wouldn't work).

...and now he's had a stab at it.

[kitch]

Just now, bugenhagen said:

...and now he's had a stab at it.

Clubs can't afford to sack a manager THAT quickly!

[Fabrice29]

3 hours ago, Wade Garrett said:

Just remember, Ole was virtually begging to be appointed 

Sorry, what? When and where?

[Wade Garrett]

41 minutes ago, kitch said:

One thing I would say, is that it's easy to turn on Tonda now but after the run he went on when he took over, I saw most Saints fans (myself included) say that he'd earned a stab at the job full time.

No debate that it's not working out, but on that winning run alone I can see why the club offered him the gig. Ultimately it looks like it'll just be another of the entries in the SR book of fuckups, but I reckon many of us would have done the same thing (as opposed to their other fuckups, where they do really stupid stuff that you don't even need hindsight to see wouldn't work).

Agreed.  But how on earth has it got so bad after that start?

Something must be rotten at the club.  It makes no sense.

[bugenhagen]

7 minutes ago, kitch said:

Clubs can't afford to sack a manager THAT quickly!

Mostly said tounge in cheek, but what is the point in keeping on losing and picking up the odd draw. He is a dead man walking in my eyes.

 

Edited 4 hours ago by bugenhagen

[Wade Garrett]

11 minutes ago, Starksj1995 said:

Tonda will be sacked soon lose hull with the protests planned he be gone 

 But what’s the point?  They’ll only fuck the next appointment up.  Things will only change when the decision makers get the boot.