Tonda Eckert

[Gloucester Saint]

38 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Done a lot wrong but he’s lamb to the slaughter though isn’t he. Thrown into the job when he was clearly far from ready for it, no leadership above him, useless owners, club in huge downward curve which seems like it hasn’t bottomed out yet, a poor back room team on the coaching side and a bunch of underperforming dickheads to manage most of which don’t seem to want to be here. Talk about set up to fail. 

Also at 31, any brand new and inexperienced manager in any industry would have trouble with a core of employees still pining after a previous manager and causing trouble behind the scenes, a senior employee more interested in 🍽️ than doing his core minimum job, an interfering and micro-managing Group Director figure (where they shouldn’t be and undermining his actual line manager) added to a losing culture as bad as anything nationally.

That’s no excuse or mitigation for the dreadful decisions he is making, but it’s a very challenging cocktail for even an experienced and strong minded manager to handle.

Edited 6 hours ago by Gloucester Saint

[Lee On Solent Saint]

37 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

Why the fuck did he take Fellows off yesterday?

He deserves the sack for that alone.  He’s been found out at this level and is a total fraud, just like the idiots running the club.

Solak is either furious, doesn’t give a fuck, or is a complete idiot.

A complete idiot for me. No question.

[Starksj1995]

14 hours ago, die Mannyschaft said:

Tonda has to go ASAP. We will get relegated does no one at the club have any football experience. 

He will soon I’m sure of it lose to Sheffield he’s gone 

[CB Fry]

55 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Done a lot wrong but he’s lamb to the slaughter though isn’t he. Thrown into the job when he was clearly far from ready for it, no leadership above him, useless owners, club in huge downward curve which seems like it hasn’t bottomed out yet, a poor back room team on the coaching side and a bunch of underperforming dickheads to manage most of which don’t seem to want to be here. Talk about set up to fail. 

And its likely we have thrown away someone who probably is a promising coach and could well have played a major role for us in the future (ie a Thomas Frank/Keith Andrews continuity head coach in a future successful set up).

Instead he's just been rushed in to the top job in a panic and the only step he can ever take at Southampton Football Club now is the sack and gone. So in the bin by the summer.

Talk about breaking things. 

Edited 6 hours ago by CB Fry

[Appy]

When he gets sacked, is there any other club in the EFL that would give him the manager’s job? I’m struggling to think of any, says it all. 

[Gloucester Saint]

2 minutes ago, Appy said:

When he gets sacked, is there any other club in the EFL that would give him the manager’s job? I’m struggling to think of any, says it all. 

As @CB Fry says though, there’s talent there but thrown in way too early by idiots treating the football club like a Frankenstein laboratory.🧪 

Edited 6 hours ago by Gloucester Saint

[Miltonaggro]

42 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

Why the fuck did he take Fellows off yesterday?

He deserves the sack for that alone.  He’s been found out at this level and is a total fraud, just like the idiots running the club.

Solak is either furious, doesn’t give a fuck, or is a complete idiot.

Solak is such an odd figure, almost peripheral. Essentially he is the money, Ankersen the supposed visionary. It does feel like a misguided oligarch funding the whims of indulged idiot offspring. Surely he must be aware of the complete disaster and its cause at this point.
 

This season we had a gilt edged opportunity to bounce straight back up with lessons learned, so he allows the brains trust that relegated us to appoint Will Still over the likes of Steve Cooper. Still sacked and another chance to save the season by appointing the likes of Carrick, OGS, Viera and allowing them to assess squad before crucial / brutal January window with new blood in week one. Gone now.

We were led to believe that Solak is an astute and responsive businessman, and up until this season Saints fans had cut him slack on this basis. However, right now you have to wonder whether he is careless, negligent or reckless or some sort of insulated simpleton. Only way i can see club fortunes changing is a driven brutal purge, and Solak is the only person capable of instigating this. 

[beatlesaint]

I feel sorry for Tonda. He's been promoted above his current ability. Thats not his fault.

He has taken over a group of players that has an underlying core of rotten apples who seem to dictate when we play well or not. Thats not his fault.

He has been handed a poison chalice of a club that is going backwards thanks to these idiots in charge. Thats not his fault.

However what IS his fault is the constant playing of three centre backs (presumably because the players more or less dictate it, what was his quote? something along the lines of the players feel more comfortable playing it.....WTF !!!) 

His in game management shows exactly what he is, a vastly inexperienced manager trying to feel his way.....

The complete thing is a shit show but Tonda cant be held responsible for all of it. 

Edited 5 hours ago by beatlesaint

[coalman]

37 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

And its likely we have thrown away someone who probably is a promising coach and could well have played a major role for us in the future (ie a Thomas Frank/Keith Andrews continuity head coach in a future successful set up).

Instead he's just been rushed in to the top job in a panic and the only step he can ever take at Southampton Football Club now is the sack and gone. So in the bin by the summer.

Talk about breaking things. 

He was hired by Sport Republic. Chances are he's not _that_ promising.

[Harry_SFC]

Whilst Coventry have done really well the league isn't great this season at all. You've got Millwall, Preston, Hull and Stoke all in and around the play offs. They've all got tiny budgets compared to us.

The difference is they've got players that care and that are being managed correctly. I also doubt they continuously wank over xG and a data spreadsheet. 

[S-Clarke]

59 minutes ago, Appy said:

When he gets sacked, is there any other club in the EFL that would give him the manager’s job? I’m struggling to think of any, says it all. 

When he's gone from here, count me surprised if he's ever a manager again at any level.

[saintant]

1 hour ago, Wade Garrett said:

Why the fuck did he take Fellows off yesterday?

He deserves the sack for that alone.  He’s been found out at this level and is a total fraud, just like the idiots running the club.

Solak is either furious, doesn’t give a fuck, or is a complete idiot.

I expect one of the sports science guys checked the data from the vests players wear these days and told Eckert that Fellows should come off. That's how it seems to work these days. There's no argument or option to see if he recovers and gets his second wind - no, it's get him off immediately. Game has gone crazy.

[S-Clarke]

1 hour ago, CB Fry said:

And its likely we have thrown away someone who probably is a promising coach and could well have played a major role for us in the future (ie a Thomas Frank/Keith Andrews continuity head coach in a future successful set up).

Instead he's just been rushed in to the top job in a panic and the only step he can ever take at Southampton Football Club now is the sack and gone. So in the bin by the summer.

Talk about breaking things. 

This is what we do 'so well', Selles was another promising coach who we dumped into the lions den before his time. It's not just with managers and coaches but with players.

Bazunu, Edozie, Larios, Mara, Lavia - straight from kids football into first team PL side, like you say - lambs to the slaughter. Lavia was good, but his injury proneness does somewhat suggest he was given too much too soon at a high level.

When I look at support Tonda actually has around him - Ben Reeves, Ryan Flood, Ben Garner, Jeremy Newton I think WTF is that? We have an U21 coaching setup looking after the first team, and they think that's fine!

[saintant]

10 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

This is what we do 'so well', Selles was another promising coach who we dumped into the lions den before his time. It's not just with managers and coaches but with players.

Bazunu, Edozie, Larios, Mara, Lavia - straight from kids football into first team PL side, like you say - lambs to the slaughter. Lavia was good, but his injury proneness does somewhat suggest he was given too much too soon at a high level.

When I look at support Tonda actually has around him - Ben Reeves, Ryan Flood, Ben Garner, Jeremy Newton I think WTF is that? We have an U21 coaching setup looking after the first team, and they think that's fine!

There are plenty of decisions and actions they have taken to demonstrate their complete incompetence but this is probably right up there as a yardstick for their stupidity. I can't imagine there is a worse set of coaches in the Championship and probably not in Div1 either. The sheer arrogance that the SR goons believe this group of coaches can do the job beggars belief.

[Mboto Gorge]

Has he gone yet?

[Gloucester Saint]

Good summary by Blackmore and Tessem, like Alfie House has been very recently far more critical and astonished at the lack of anyone being bothered.  https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0mvmhyj

[Willo of Whiteley]

1 hour ago, S-Clarke said:

When he's gone from here, count me surprised if he's ever a manager again at any level.

They touched on it in Adam and Jo, he’s an analyst, not a coach, not a manager

[Gloucester Saint]

7 minutes ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

They touched on it in Adam and Jo, he’s an analyst, not a coach, not a manager

They’re also right that Ross Stewart should have screaming in the dressing room afterwards at the lack of crosses and slow ponderous Martinball after he scored.

’Cross me the fucking ball. Never mind the slow shit, your job is feed me and I’ll score again. Pull your fucking fingers out’.

[trousers]

2 hours ago, beatlesaint said:

I feel sorry for Tonda. He's been promoted above his current ability. Thats not his fault.

He could have exercised some self-awareness and refused the job...

[tdmickey3]

1 hour ago, Mboto Gorge said:

Has he gone yet?

Nope, not happening 

[hypochondriac]

4 minutes ago, trousers said:

He could have exercised some self-awareness and refused the job...

Be serious. No one is turning down that opportunity.

[tdmickey3]

1 minute ago, hypochondriac said:

Be serious. No one is turning down that opportunity.

Roll did apparently 

[AlexLaw76]

1 minute ago, hypochondriac said:

Be serious. No one is turning down that opportunity.

Then he is now in for a rough ride. Rightly so.

[Badger]

4 hours ago, Turkish said:

Done a lot wrong but he’s lamb to the slaughter though isn’t he. Thrown into the job when he was clearly far from ready for it, no leadership above him, useless owners, club in huge downward curve which seems like it hasn’t bottomed out yet, a poor back room team on the coaching side and a bunch of underperforming dickheads to manage most of which don’t seem to want to be here. Talk about set up to fail. 

 

2 hours ago, beatlesaint said:

I feel sorry for Tonda. He's been promoted above his current ability. Thats not his fault.

He has taken over a group of players that has an underlying core of rotten apples who seem to dictate when we play well or not. Thats not his fault.

He has been handed a poison chalice of a club that is going backwards thanks to these idiots in charge. Thats not his fault.

However what IS his fault is the constant playing of three centre backs (presumably because the players more or less dictate it, what was his quote? something along the lines of the players feel more comfortable playing it.....WTF !!!) 

His in game management shows exactly what he is, a vastly inexperienced manager trying to feel his way.....

The complete thing is a shit show but Tonda cant be held responsible for all of it. 

This is my take as well, over promoted before ready for it.

Decision to take Fellows off was - presumably- on him, but the real abuse should be for those who have put him - and us - in this position, and the gutless players. 
 

Have to wish Tonda well over the next week, he’s going to need it. 

[Badger]

8 minutes ago, trousers said:

He could have exercised some self-awareness and refused the job...

Human nature tends to see people believing in their own hype (or from others) and ability. Add that to a naivety of ‘youth’ or inexperience and there’s no way he’s turning the opportunity down.

Blame rests with Spors, Rasmus et al. 

[Gloucester Saint]

7 minutes ago, tdmickey3 said:

Roll did apparently 

Completely different situation and level of experience.

[hypochondriac]

10 minutes ago, tdmickey3 said:

Roll did apparently 

Rohl had better options. Tonda obviously wouldn't have.

[hypochondriac]

10 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Then he is now in for a rough ride. Rightly so.

If he's still in charge Sunday and we lose I would expect chants fro the start of the next home game. I expect our fans won't but that's what I'd want.

[tdmickey3]

7 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Completely different situation and level of experience.

 

3 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Rohl had better options. Tonda obviously wouldn't have.

So we are stuck with out of depth work experience yes men for good then…🤦

[Badger]

48 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Rohl had better options. Tonda obviously wouldn't have.

Rohl thought he had better options last May when we appointed Still. But didn’t.

He was  out of work when it was evident that Still was shit, but we left him in place too long.

That may not be why he hasn’t ended up here, but our selection and timings have been diabolical 

Edited 1 hour ago by Badger

[hypochondriac]

Just now, tdmickey3 said:

 

So we are stuck with out of depth work experience yes men for good then…🤦

Unless we hit on someone half decent by accident or the fan base make enough of a fuss that they're forced into a change of direction and philosophy. In my opinion, sports Republic want to be different. They don't want to do what has worked elsewhere, they want to be credited with any success. Buying older more experienced players or a grizzled manager that's done it already goes against that. If they manage to get success through developing a bunch of young players from Germany or discovering a new talent under a new manager then they can go to seminars and talk about their new way of doing things and how they are shifting the paradigm or other bollocks. I am sure they want to be known as the next Brentford or Brighton with clubs pointing to them as the ones who know what to do by going against the established order. Having a coach that's done it already or a core of older players with success elsewhere detracts from that.

[hypochondriac]

1 minute ago, Badger said:

Rohl thought he had better options last May when we appointed Still. But didn’t.

He was  out of work when it was evident that Still was shit, but we left him in lace too long.

That may not be why he hasn’t ended up here, but our selection and timings have been diabolical 

The mad Wednesday owner wanted a load of compensation for him that we didn't want to pay.

[tdmickey3]

2 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Unless we hit on someone half decent by accident or the fan base make enough of a fuss that they're forced into a change of direction and philosophy. In my opinion, sports Republic want to be different. They don't want to do what has worked elsewhere, they want to be credited with any success. Buying older more experienced players or a grizzled manager that's done it already goes against that. If they manage to get success through developing a bunch of young players from Germany or discovering a new talent under a new manager then they can go to seminars and talk about their new way of doing things and how they are shifting the paradigm or other bollocks. I am sure they want to be known as the next Brentford or Brighton with clubs pointing to them as the ones who know what to do by going against the established order. Having a coach that's done it already or a core of older players with success elsewhere detracts from that.

So we are essentially fucked?

[tdmickey3]

2 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

The mad Wednesday owner wanted a load of compensation for him that we didn't want to pay.

Looking like false economy now

[AlexLaw76]

2 minutes ago, tdmickey3 said:

Looking like false economy now

we are the poster-club of buy cheap,  buy twice

[hypochondriac]

Just now, tdmickey3 said:

So we are essentially fucked?

Maybe things will get so bad that Solak sacks them all and brings someone new in to protect his investment. He can't be happy with how things continue to go. There really is no incentive for Sports Republic to hire someone with nous and experience to essentially tell them they are a load of no nothing chancers who don't have a clue about how to set up and run a football club. No way are they hiring a manager, they want a coach and a footballing philosophy. Not a doubt in my mind that both Still and Tonda have played five at the back- the same way the under 21s play-because of some form of pressure from above even if not explicit. I bet they loved Martin talking about philosophy first and how he would rather lose a game of the stats and the manner of the defeat was the right one. We still have that attitude now with Tonda talking about stats and xg after we've failed to win for seven games. If we keep him I bet he's still talking baoit then when we inevitably slide into the relegation zone.

[hypochondriac]

5 minutes ago, tdmickey3 said:

Looking like false economy now

Of course but everything is easy with hindsight. The majority of the fanbase was calling for Tonda to be hired including myself so we are just as bad.

[Sheaf Saint]

3 minutes ago, tdmickey3 said:

 

So we are stuck with out of depth work experience yes men for good then…🤦

Seems that way.

Anyone with any kind of managerial pedigree would take one look at the utter shit show going on behind the scenes (and you can bet that people in the game / agents etc... will know more than the rest of us do) and say 'nah you're alright. No amount of money could persuade me to sign up for that'.

[coalman]

5 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

we are the poster-club of buy cheap,  buy twice

If only it was only twice 

[Jack]

17 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Unless we hit on someone half decent by accident or the fan base make enough of a fuss that they're forced into a change of direction and philosophy. In my opinion, sports Republic want to be different. They don't want to do what has worked elsewhere, they want to be credited with any success. Buying older more experienced players or a grizzled manager that's done it already goes against that. If they manage to get success through developing a bunch of young players from Germany or discovering a new talent under a new manager then they can go to seminars and talk about their new way of doing things and how they are shifting the paradigm or other bollocks. I am sure they want to be known as the next Brentford or Brighton with clubs pointing to them as the ones who know what to do by going against the established order. Having a coach that's done it already or a core of older players with success elsewhere detracts from that.

Exactly this. Sadly through thinking they’re cleverer than everyone else they’ve taken an established Premier League club and dumped us in a Championship relegation battle. The fans need to remind them of this every week until they fuck off and destroy another club instead 

Edited 2 hours ago by Jack

[tdmickey3]

Just now, hypochondriac said:

Maybe things will get so bad that Solak sacks them all and brings someone new in to protect his investment. He can't be happy with how things continue to go. There really is no incentive for Sports Republic to hire someone with nous and experience to essentially tell them they are a load of no nothing chancers who don't have a clue about how to set up and run a football club. No way are they hiring a manager, they want a coach and a footballing philosophy. Not a doubt in my mind that both Still and Tonda have played five at the back- the same way the under 21s play-because of some form of pressure from above even if not explicit. I bet they loved Martin talking about philosophy first and how he would rather lose a game of the stats and the manner of the defeat was the right one. We still have that attitude now with Tonda talking about stats and xg after we've failed to win for seven games. If we keep him I bet he's still talking baoit then when we inevitably slide into the relegation zone.

Well! It is bad, fucking terrible to be honest, what is Solak’s definition of “so bad” I wonder?

If he doesn’t think this is terrible right now, he must have very low standards.

 

[Gloucester Saint]

2 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

Seems that way.

Anyone with any kind of managerial pedigree would take one look at the utter shit show going on behind the scenes (and you can bet that people in the game / agents etc... will know more than the rest of us do) and say 'nah you're alright. No amount of money could persuade me to sign up for that'.

SR needs to sell its clubs and get out of the industry. Rasmus Ankerson et al have spaffed Solak’s money up the wall. 

[Harry_SFC]

1 minute ago, Jack said:

Exactly this. Sadly through thinking they’re cleverer the everyone else they’ve taken an established Premier League club and dumped us in a Championship relegation battle. The fans need to remind them of this every week until they fuck off and destroy another club instead 

The fans won't because the majority are soft as fuck. The amount of people clapping yesterday was a joke. 

[tdmickey3]

4 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Of course but everything is easy with hindsight. The majority of the fanbase was calling for Tonda to be hired including myself so we are just as bad.

They should have appointed Rohl before Still, long before Ekhert was anywhere near.

[Sheaf Saint]

1 minute ago, coalman said:

If only it was only twice 

Indeed. It all started with getting the recruitment of Ralph's replacement catastrophically wrong, and they've learned nothing from that experience. 

[OneMrsWallace]

3 hours ago, S-Clarke said:

When he's gone from here, count me surprised if he's ever a manager again at any level.

At least for a number of years. The conversation with SR should have been... "Thanks for doing a great job Tonda, keeping the seat warm. The new experienced manager we've just appointed can now come in off the back of some great wins under your temporary leadership. Perfect situation. Time for you to go back to coaching the U21s with our gratitude and a small bonus based on recent results." But they are fucking idiots, so this didn't happen and here we are, in the shit again.

[Gloucester Saint]

Just now, Harry_SFC said:

The fans won't because the majority are soft as fuck. The amount of people clapping yesterday was a joke. 

I couldn’t believe it when I heard that, but many posted that on here and said it online so it has to be true. Not just soft, but very dense and simple as well. 

[hypochondriac]

2 minutes ago, tdmickey3 said:

Well! It is bad, fucking terrible to be honest, what is Solak’s definition of “so bad” I wonder?

If he doesn’t think this is terrible right now, he must have very low standards.

 

Either that or he's not overly bothered because he's got a load of investments elsewhere. Who knows what goes through the head of a multi millionaire. Personally I'd like to see him step in now, sack Tonda and then put a letter out on the OS saying this has been going o for long enough and that he is going to make the required changes immediately. That would probably give him a bit more time with the fans because otherwise everyone is just going to tell them all including him to get fucked and just leave. I'd rather have no money and no investor but with a bunch of decent honest pros trying their best each week even if that's near the bottom of the league. I felt a much greater affinity to the team with Stern John in it than the vast majority of these wankers.

[hypochondriac]

3 minutes ago, tdmickey3 said:

They should have appointed Rohl before Still, long before Ekhert was anywhere near.

They should but I can also see why they didn't if it is true that Wednesday were demanding five million. Also no guarantee that under our model Rohl would have been successful.

[tdmickey3]

Just now, hypochondriac said:

Either that or he's not overly bothered because he's got a load of investments elsewhere. Who knows what goes through the head of a multi millionaire. Personally I'd like to see him step in now, sack Tonda and then put a letter out on the OS saying this has been going o for long enough and that he is going to make the required changes immediately. That would probably give him a bit more time with the fans because otherwise everyone is just going to tell them all including him to get fucked and just leave. I'd rather have no money and no investor but with a bunch of decent honest pros trying their best each week even if that's near the bottom of the league. I felt a much greater affinity to the team with Stern John in it than the vast majority of these wankers.

He has already said much the same but nothing has changed