Tonda Eckert

[AlexLaw76]

He is nothing special at all.

 

[Willo of Whiteley]

It’s not difficult to work out his tactics or this team.

- Wait for Saints to needlessly dominate in the opposition half and then counter quickly when there is only two defenders back.

- Show players out wide to stop the crosses and encourage backwards or sideways passes.

- Pump forward long balls that can’t be dealt with by our weak defenders.

- Await the continuous predictable subs on the hour.

I always imagine opposition defenders being like the Mr Bean meme waiting in the field for us to attack because of the controls sideways passing.
Millwall last weekend, weirdly, was the first time when I’d seen us turn and run at a team - look how effective it was.

One other thing worth mentioning, in all the times we have either played five at the back or reverted to a five at the back mid game, how often have we not conceded anymore? That would be an interesting stat, we concede more with five at the back than four.

Edited yesterday at 20:31 by Willo of Whiteley

[Harry_SFC]

1 hour ago, bpsaint said:

It was like Tonda had the same mentality of some on here that they would tire after an hour and he’d make changes and put them to the sword. What followed was quite the opposite and was so embarrassingly predictable.

Tonda has done a great job so far but his in game substitutions are ridiculous. He admitted that he changes players based on data telling him when they should come off to keep them as fresh as possible for the next game. 

How about doing it based on how the CURRENT match is going?

[Saint Pete]

13 minutes ago, Harry_SFC said:

Tonda has done a great job so far but his in game substitutions are ridiculous. He admitted that he changes players based on data telling him when they should come off to keep them as fresh as possible for the next game. 

How about doing it based on how the CURRENT match is going?

I don't think there's anything wrong with assessing the condition of the players when deciding if and when players need to be subbed, he does need to think about the bigger picture of the whole season rather than just 90 minutes. But agree it should certainly not be so rigid as to ignore what is happening in the match.

Today, I felt it was fair for Larin to come off early given he's started every league game and his form has dipped a bit in the last 2 (the merits of his replacement and how we are playing to him is another debate). But Scienza should have stayed on for longer as he was the danger man at the point he took him off and may well have scored or created the vital 2nd goal. Tonda was too rigid in sticking to his pre game plan with that one if that's what he was doing. 

We need to remember sometimes that Tonda is still a very young and inexperienced manager and still learning. If you go for such a young manager, you need to accept they won't get everything spot on, but of course they do need to be humble enough to learn their lessons. 

[BotleySaint]

I think we're seeing the squad is weaker this season. No decent striker to come on, or a battling midfielder to score a late goal. And no goals from THB to help.

However i look at it, we havent replaced quality with quality.

Tonda needs to adapt and find a way to make us look more dangerous.

Edited 23 hours ago by BotleySaint

[Holmes_and_Watson]

1 hour ago, Harry_SFC said:

Tonda has done a great job so far but his in game substitutions are ridiculous. He admitted that he changes players based on data telling him when they should come off to keep them as fresh as possible for the next game. 

How about doing it based on how the CURRENT match is going?

On the other hand, I'd argue that his regular rotation of the players last season, was a key part of having a squad with match sharp depth that could keep us going. 

I take the point about managing the game in front of you. However, he's looking at a season and giving players opportunities that they will all be demanding to prove they are worth a place. 

[die Mannyschaft]

12 hours ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

On the other hand, I'd argue that his regular rotation of the players last season, was a key part of having a squad with match sharp depth that could keep us going. 

I take the point about managing the game in front of you. However, he's looking at a season and giving players opportunities that they will all be demanding to prove they are worth a place. 

Scientific substitutions v old fashioned go by whats actually happening is unpredictable which is why sections of are play dont produce anything. Its highly risk and I think why we have drawn last to games as we invite opposition to attack and cant deal with it.

The data driven subs dont account for why Saints play so slowly or is that actually Tonda's game plan to crowd out out own half like a Tuchle V2 of Argentina v England 2nd half. Why doent the data or coaches own eyes pick up on Fellows running past 5 or 6 players then stop and lose ball as no other Saints player comes to recieve ball or the crosses he puts in dont have and Saints player at back post?

[Harry_SFC]

14 hours ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

On the other hand, I'd argue that his regular rotation of the players last season, was a key part of having a squad with match sharp depth that could keep us going. 

I take the point about managing the game in front of you. However, he's looking at a season and giving players opportunities that they will all be demanding to prove they are worth a place. 

It worked ok last season because we had better players like Charles and Stewart to bring off the bench, so wasn't as much of a problem. In fact even losing Archer is detrimental to us now looking at the depth of our squad.

This season the drop off with the subs is huge.

Edited 8 hours ago by Harry_SFC

[Badger]

1 minute ago, Harry_SFC said:

It worked ok last season because we had better players to bring off the bench, so wasn't as much of a problem.

This season the drop off with the subs is huge.

That’s down to those recruiting, not the manager

[Harry_SFC]

Just now, Badger said:

That’s down to those recruiting, not the manager

Quite. But we are early in the season and if we are having to bring our best players off after 60 mins every game with no thought of how the game is going then there's something wrong there. 

[bangkoksaint]

Not being reactionary but realistic. We have a game against Swansea (top of the league), Bristol (who for some reason always beat us) and Wrexham away (who are tricky and will be out for revenge after last season). We then have an international break of 3 weeks where TE is likely to hear his fate from the FA. So given that has Tonder got 3 games to save his job? I don’t necessarily agree with it but if we get only a couple of points from those 3 games I can see a different incumbent come October.

[CB Fry]

45 minutes ago, bangkoksaint said:

Not being reactionary but realistic. We have a game against Swansea (top of the league), Bristol (who for some reason always beat us) and Wrexham away (who are tricky and will be out for revenge after last season). We then have an international break of 3 weeks where TE is likely to hear his fate from the FA. So given that has Tonder got 3 games to save his job? I don’t necessarily agree with it but if we get only a couple of points from those 3 games I can see a different incumbent come October.

Jesus wept.

[CSA96]

47 minutes ago, bangkoksaint said:

Not being reactionary but realistic. We have a game against Swansea (top of the league), Bristol (who for some reason always beat us) and Wrexham away (who are tricky and will be out for revenge after last season). We then have an international break of 3 weeks where TE is likely to hear his fate from the FA. So given that has Tonder got 3 games to save his job? I don’t necessarily agree with it but if we get only a couple of points from those 3 games I can see a different incumbent come October.

Hmm...

[saintant]

4 hours ago, Harry_SFC said:

Quite. But we are early in the season and if we are having to bring our best players off after 60 mins every game with no thought of how the game is going then there's something wrong there. 

There is absolutely no need to bring our best players off the field after 60 minutes every game. It is too regimented a tactic and completely daft. Saturday was a prime example - Leo had been largely poor but just when he starts to cause a bit of havoc he's hauled off and the impetus goes with him. Nuts!

[Harry_SFC]

48 minutes ago, saintant said:

There is absolutely no need to bring our best players off the field after 60 minutes every game. It is too regimented a tactic and completely daft. Saturday was a prime example - Leo had been largely poor but just when he starts to cause a bit of havoc he's hauled off and the impetus goes with him. Nuts!

It's just been mentioned on TSP but even when Scienza is poor he's better than what we've seen from Fellows or Edozie this season. But yeah the Leo sub on Saturday was crazy. He didn't look tired and had just done their right back twice in a matter of minutes. 

[trousers]

55 minutes ago, saintant said:

There is absolutely no need to bring our best players off the field after 60 minutes every game

 

[Mr X]

I think in summary we've seen that Tonda can be an averagely decent manager at times but that he's not some football genius that we needed to hold onto at all costs as the club would have us believe! 

[Wade Garrett]

Don’t rate the bloke.  I think he’s weak and too led by stats rather than what he sees in front of him.

Think Solak has dropped a bollock here.  Would love to be proved wrong, which to be fair, does happen on a regular basis.

[Mr X]

1 minute ago, Wade Garrett said:

Don’t rate the bloke.  I think he’s weak and too led by stats rather than what he sees in front of him.

Think Solak has dropped a bollock here.  Would love to be proved wrong, which to be fair, does happen on a regular basis.

Surely some of the players have a tiny bit of resentment towards him, despite what they might say to his face? To be fair to him the club have given him quite a poor transfer window, there seriously needs to be a proven striker and serious replacements of the same quality for Charles and THB coming in January a 31 year old stiker though not old perse cannot be relied on to play every game, we rely on key players with no quality back ups  a recipe for disaster 

[West end Saints]

Same fixtures last season

Away to watford drew (L) -1

Home to stoke lost (w) +2

Home to Millwall drew (w) +4

Away to Birmingham drew (d) +4

Away to Lincoln (top promoted side) drew (d) + 4

Gained 4 more points than same games last season.

After first 6 games last season we had 6 points beat Swansea and we have 7 even after points deduction!

Hardly a bad start yet!

Finn Azaz, my player of the season last season, was unplayable against a very good Millwall, for some reason was awful in last two games. He makes a huge difference

 

 

Edited 2 hours ago by West end Saints
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[Harry_SFC]

10 minutes ago, West end Saints said:

Same fixtures last season

Away to watford drew (L) -1

Home to stoke lost (w) +2

Home to Millwall drew (w) +4

Away to Birmingham drew (d) +4

Away to Lincoln (top promoted side) drew (d) + 4

Gained 4 more points than same games last season.

After first 6 games last season we had 6 points beat Swansea and we have 7 even after points deduction!

Hardly a bad start yet!

Finn Azaz, my player of the season last season, was unplayable against a very good Millwall, for some reason was awful in last two games. He makes a huge difference

 

 

Finn Azaz will do this though. Exactly like last season. He will be crap for 3 or 4 games then be unplayable for the next 3 or 4. It's just something we need to accept. But you're right, when he's not on it, it certainly makes a difference to the team. 

[Whitey Grandad]

8 hours ago, Badger said:

That’s down to those recruiting, not the manager

Has he not noticed?