1976_Child Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 Is it me or has Kelvin regressed somewhat since this Wotte chappie took over? The first half of the season his ball distribution was good and usually consisted of quickly punting it up field. Last night it was rubbish. He just rolled it out to the nearest player who then kicked it back again. Is it me or does anyone else think he is doing things differently these days? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintKenny Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 I think he may have pulled a muscle as he seemed very reluctant to kick last night and the defenders were coming to the edge of his box, so he could pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1976_Child Posted 4 February, 2009 Author Share Posted 4 February, 2009 I think he may have pulled a muscle as he seemed very reluctant to kick last night and the defenders were coming to the edge of his box, so he could pass. could be the case.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidthesquid Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 Seems to have regressed as far as coming for crosses is concerned. I have always had a problem with that, like Paul Jones - great shot-stopper but doesn't dominate his 6-yard box Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 hardly surprising he has kept us in almost every game this season, problem is if his form drops then we are completly stuffed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 Hope, believe its a glitch, form is temporary class is permanent(unless your a keeper) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 I agree he hasn't been his usual self for the last couple of games, but I think he's been struggling with an injury lately. He was a doubt for the Norwich game, hence why both Bialkowski and Forecast travelled with the squad, and I don't think he's fully recovered just yet. Having said that, his body language isn't good at the minute and he looks quite dejected. Then again, I think I would be if I had arguably been playing the best football of my career, and yet ironically found myself at a team at the foot of the table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 I've just seen Sheffield Utd's winning goal on South Today , a quality keeper should be able to tip that round the post IMO . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huffton Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 I've just seen Sheffield Utd's winning goal on South Today , a quality keeper should be able to tip that round the post IMO . And a quality defence wouldn't have pushed up so far and let the guy in round the back. Give the bloke a break ffs, without him we would be mathematically down already:rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint.tom.clancy Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 Yeah, seemed off his game yesterday, few dodgy moments. . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 He's had a dodgy game or two, by this season's standards, it doesn't mean he's lost it. FFS Niemi was ****ing awful on many occasions, yet he will always be remembered as an asset rather than a liability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parkgatesaint Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 only one game and over a season so far has played well for us this season. Sure he will be fine for next game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 And a quality defence wouldn't have pushed up so far and let the guy in round the back. Give the bloke a break ffs, without him we would be mathematically down already:rolleyes: I've praised Kelvin Davis's performances on numerous occasions - but if he makes an error I'll comment on it . Or do I need your permission first now ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 I've just seen Sheffield Utd's winning goal on South Today , a quality keeper should be able to tip that round the post IMO . He physically took his had away from it, as if he thought it was going wide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Token Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 He physically took his had away from it, as if he thought it was going wide. Spotted that as well - wondered whether he had doubts following the second goal on Saturday where he palmed it back into the path of the Swansea player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L1Minus10 Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 (edited) He's been poor the last 2 games which I'll forgive him for as he's been excellent for the other 25 odd. McGoldrick on the other hand has been the other way round percentage wise. I think he'll be disappointed with the last 3 goals he's conceded. His head must be all over the place though.... his contract is running out, if we go down he'll be on a free, if we stay up he still might be on a free, he's been made club captain bizarrely and the team is shiite. Maybe he's getting weighed down with the responsibility of it all. Edited 4 February, 2009 by Billy Shite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 Rolling the ball out to a defender is very much the Dutch way, i.e. building the attack from the back. Its intention is sound, because there should be very small chance of losing possession if you roll the ball to a teammate instead of punting it upfield, when it could just come back with interest. I've always been a fan of accurately throwing the ball out to a teammate, rather than a punt and hope job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Strover Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 Although I never played in any sort of high-standard of football I did play in goal and all I know is eventually no matter how good you are if you are playing for a team that you know is probably going to lose, is probably the worst team in the league and the only excitement you have in the match is guessing when you are going to concede the first goal and how many you'll save and how many you'll let in - well it's bound to get to you. He was definitely ropey looking last night and I think he is emotionally exhausted. Don't expect performances to pick up in the near future. Then we will see the strength of our goalkeeping department.....or rather you lot will because I don't give a feck anymore and I won't be watching Sky sports or looking on the PC or anything else. When I have the spare money I'll be off to watch ice-hockey like I used to or start up my painting again or reading a book or going to the cinema - I'll do anything to stop the virtually never ending, crushing, soul destroying banality of pinning my hopes on Southampton Football Club making me happy. The ****s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 He's had a dodgy game or two, by this season's standards, it doesn't mean he's lost it. FFS Niemi was ****ing awful on many occasions, yet he will always be remembered as an asset rather than a liability. Apart from fratton park game in the relegation season when was niemi quite awful??????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonist Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 Seems to have regressed as far as coming for crosses is concerned. I have always had a problem with that, like Paul Jones - great shot-stopper but doesn't dominate his 6-yard box i really miss paul jones these days. Kelvin may be a decent shot stopper but he drops the ball so much and he's not got the judgement to make up for his relative height disadvantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 he's not very good. made a cods of the first goal and should have saved the second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 I've just seen Sheffield Utd's winning goal on South Today , a quality keeper should be able to tip that round the post IMO . Kelvin was poor for both goals and one or two others recently......... He is quite a good reaction save keeper but that is it. His positioning for situations that develop over a few seconds is poor as is his dealing with crosses as we know! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Ron fan Posted 5 February, 2009 Share Posted 5 February, 2009 In recent weeks... Dropped the ball to give Burnley their second goal. v. Forest: Awful punch from a corner in first half led to a shot being cleared off the line. Second half, completely missed a cross that could have led to another goal, then got chipped from 40 yards. v. Swansea: gave away a goal v. Sheff Utd Flapped at a corner rather than clearing it which ultimately led to their first goal; Some think he should have saved the second goal too (not sure on this myself). In short though, in amongst some good saves, consistent errors which have led to goals (or could have done). Just as I laughed at people calling Gillett the new Paul Scholes earlier in the season, I've also found it amazing the number of people who reckon he's a top keeper. FFS, Jan even said he should be considered for England. In short, he is a poor to average keeper at this level who is capable of making some great saves, but is lacking in virtually all other areas of the keeper's role. Premiership and decent CCC clubs snap up any decent keeper going. He's only in his early 30's: if he was really any good, he'd have been snapped up a while ago by a decent side, given our current financial position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Strover Posted 5 February, 2009 Share Posted 5 February, 2009 To be fair - you could apply that list to any goalie in League Division Two (for that's what it is - a rose by any other name...). Most of the Championship highlights involve goals where keepers miss things, drop stuff, come hammering off their line too early, don't come off their line early enough etc. Kelvin really isn't as bad as people make out but there is no perspective on here but then again there never has been. Having said this he does look to me as if he has lost confidence. Anyway next season we'll be in League Division Three and he won't be here - then we'll see how we get on with errrmmm Forecast (never played a first team game) and Flapper Bart (never caught a cross - ever). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a1ex2001 Posted 5 February, 2009 Share Posted 5 February, 2009 To be fair - you could apply that list to any goalie in League Division Two (for that's what it is - a rose by any other name...). Most of the Championship highlights involve goals where keepers miss things, drop stuff, come hammering off their line too early, don't come off their line early enough etc. Kelvin really isn't as bad as people make out but there is no perspective on here but then again there never has been. Same could also be said of the prem, match of the day is often full of goal keeping howlers from such world class stoppers as Carson and Gomez etc. Goal keeping is a tuff position where every mistake counts, if saints had scored with more than one of the twenty shots we had on tuesday nobody would have cared about the one mistake Kelvin may or may not have made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 5 February, 2009 Share Posted 5 February, 2009 Is it me or has Kelvin regressed somewhat since this Wotte chappie took over? The first half of the season his ball distribution was good and usually consisted of quickly punting it up field. Last night it was rubbish. He just rolled it out to the nearest player who then kicked it back again. Is it me or does anyone else think he is doing things differently these days? Maybe he is fed up of putting in Gordon Banks - proportion performances and seeing the rest of the team play shiit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallyboy Posted 5 February, 2009 Share Posted 5 February, 2009 you couldn't blame him for suffering some sort of mental breakdown after what he has had to suffer, playing with idiots week in week out would wear you down, and let's face it the rest of us haven't come through the last few seasons mentally unscathed now have we, and we are just watching. Most weeks he has had a front row seat for an ugly defensive horror show. Lets hope it is a blip and he gets it back together, and if he doesn't he will just blend in with the rest who already have 'the stare'.... flashbacks, choppers over the paddy fields.....the last minute corner to defend....Charlies at the back post unmarked.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belgrave Posted 5 February, 2009 Share Posted 5 February, 2009 probably worn out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheff Saint Posted 5 February, 2009 Share Posted 5 February, 2009 I'm no fan of Kelvin at all. But he has been excellent this season. And of all the criticsms, you can't say he doesn't wear his heart on his sleeve. Maybe being given the captains armband, he's putting himself under more pressure to do well for the whole team and this is just affecting him a little bit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 5 February, 2009 Share Posted 5 February, 2009 Is it me or has Kelvin regressed somewhat since this Wotte chappie took over? The first half of the season his ball distribution was good and usually consisted of quickly punting it up field. Last night it was rubbish. He just rolled it out to the nearest player who then kicked it back again. Is it me or does anyone else think he is doing things differently these days? Kelvin is a confidence player. Under JP he gained confidence - possibly due to the distraction of leadership through captaincy of the team - i.e. he had other responsibilities but to be constantly concerned over his own performance. Frankly, if he was to read this thread it would damage his confidence further I suggest. He is a CCC level keeper - midtable team IMHO. Shot stopper whose limitation has been his ability to command his defence (compared to Miller who was arguably the opposite but I suspect stats will show ultimately was more successful). So what? ... or should I say So Wotte? Kelvin's performance is slipping under your leadership - so where do you go from here? Strengthen at the back? Skacel perhaps? OR do we put it down to your own lack of leadership and give Kelvin a chance under a new manager who may improve his confidence. Selling is not an option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 5 February, 2009 Share Posted 5 February, 2009 Some think he should have saved the second goal too (not sure on this myself). He may not have been able to save it ultimately but he should have extended his arm, hand and finger tips fully, in order to give himself the best chance. Not taken his hand away allowing it to go in unchallenged. Like I said on another thread, it looked like he thought it was going wide and diliberately took his hand away to prevent giving away a corner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidthesquid Posted 5 February, 2009 Share Posted 5 February, 2009 Just watched the highlights on Virgin - I'm less certain the first goal was his fault, but the second one he clearly withdraws his arm as though he thinks it is going wide. Poor I'm afraid at a moment like that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 5 February, 2009 Share Posted 5 February, 2009 I wouldnt like to work for many of the posters on this thread. The guy let in a goal he might have saved. On many other occasions he has stopped shots he had no right to get to. Overall our best player this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidthesquid Posted 5 February, 2009 Share Posted 5 February, 2009 I wouldnt like to work for many of the posters on this thread. The guy let in a goal he might have saved. On many other occasions he has stopped shots he had no right to get to. Overall our best player this season. Not arguing about that - just saying what I saw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidthesquid Posted 5 February, 2009 Share Posted 5 February, 2009 Actually I think the thread should have been re-titled 'Did Kelvin have an off-day?' or something like that which might have been fairer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 5 February, 2009 Share Posted 5 February, 2009 Not arguing about that - just saying what I saw Fair enough. I wasnt having a pop at you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 5 February, 2009 Share Posted 5 February, 2009 About this time last season, when Kelvin got injured, Pearson brought in Wright and our fortunes changed for the better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Moliano Posted 5 February, 2009 Share Posted 5 February, 2009 Apart from fratton park game in the relegation season when was niemi quite awful??????? Agreed, there were none. Ridiculous post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team-saint Posted 5 February, 2009 Share Posted 5 February, 2009 keeper shouldn't be captain, how can they communicate with al the players. i would have picked euell as captain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyFartPants Posted 5 February, 2009 Share Posted 5 February, 2009 Is it me or has Kelvin regressed somewhat since this Wotte chappie took over? The first half of the season his ball distribution was good and usually consisted of quickly punting it up field. Last night it was rubbish. He just rolled it out to the nearest player who then kicked it back again. Is it me or does anyone else think he is doing things differently these days? It cant be anything to do with the new bloke as he isnt new. That was already explained to us by the Lowe out brigade. Nothing has changed, remember? Wotte was always pulling the strings and Jan was a scape goat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknrollman no2 Posted 5 February, 2009 Share Posted 5 February, 2009 It cant be anything to do with the new bloke as he isnt new. That was already explained to us by the Lowe out brigade. Nothing has changed, remember? Wotte was always pulling the strings and Jan was a scape goat. You are of course right JFP as Wotte was already here,but he was considered not good enough to be offered the job first and he was more concerned with the reserve team. So the fact that we now have a second choice in charge,rather than the first second choice(Portaloo over Pearson),means things have changed. But we all know that Lowe is the one pulling the strings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 6 February, 2009 Share Posted 6 February, 2009 what a bunch of fans some of you are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 6 February, 2009 Share Posted 6 February, 2009 what a bunch of fans some of you are. Why? Davis has proved a lot of people wrong this season and has probably been our best player but that does not put him above criticism when he c*cks up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 6 February, 2009 Share Posted 6 February, 2009 Why? Davis has proved a lot of people wrong this season and has probably been our best player but that does not put him above criticism when he c*cks up.some have just been waiting for a chnace to criticise the player who above all has been doing his best to try and help get us results. He is as proud of his position at our club as anyone who is said to be a fan as well, and then he is the brunt of this type of post. There is a proportion of fans on here who want players to fail just so they can somehow think they are a good judge, sad but true. DT is the only one on here who has been consistant ll along in his criticism of KD and so I can accept his moaning as for the other fickle bunch.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordonToo Posted 6 February, 2009 Share Posted 6 February, 2009 some have just been waiting for a chnace to criticise the player who above all has been doing his best to try and help get us results. He is as proud of his position at our club as anyone who is said to be a fan as well, and then he is the brunt of this type of post. There is a proportion of fans on here who want players to fail just so they can somehow think they are a good judge, sad but true. DT is the only one on here who has been consistant ll along in his criticism of KD and so I can accept his moaning as for the other fickle bunch.... Remove criticism as a valid reason for posting and you might as well close the board down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 6 February, 2009 Share Posted 6 February, 2009 I agree with most of that but it goes with the territory of being a goalkeeper (errors are spotlighted because they invariably result in conceding goals). Last season Davis was ordinary at best and cost us quite a few points. This season he has saved us many more points than he has cost and at this moment looks like being our player of the year. But many more games like the Swansea and Sheffield United games, he is in danger of undoing all his hard work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
del boy Posted 6 February, 2009 Share Posted 6 February, 2009 All players have good games and bad games, even within a general trend of "form" For many on here Marek was a world beater when he came back, and he's certainly scored some important goals for us. But he had a really bad game on Tuesday. Its life; we're human. For poor old Kelvin though there's no hiding place, one mistake and were a goal down. Someone else could make a howler, give the ball away, miss a sitter, but it never sticks in the mind quite the same as the goalies mistake! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 6 February, 2009 Share Posted 6 February, 2009 what a bunch of fans some of you are. I agree with you on this one. Criticising KD because the strain of trying to hold the team together from the back is finally getting to him is ludicrous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 6 February, 2009 Share Posted 6 February, 2009 anyone knocking Kelvin Davis this season needs to nail theire appendage to a burning building Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
del boy Posted 6 February, 2009 Share Posted 6 February, 2009 anyone knocking Kelvin Davis this season needs to nail theire appendage to a burning building Seems a fair point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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