StuRomseySaint Posted 19 February, 2009 Share Posted 19 February, 2009 The realists amoungst us know it is a matter of when and not if, so regardless of whether it is this season or next, how do you see SFC after the inevitable? Do you think SFC will be better off? What would need to be done by us, the fans to help ensure a bright future for SFC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 19 February, 2009 Share Posted 19 February, 2009 I have to think there is light at the end of the tunnel, even if its a long tunnel, or I would not keep supporting. Its not realistic or unrealistic to say we will/will not go into administration. We don't know. There have been concerning statements and it is obvious we are not comforatable but who knows if we will, soon, this season, or ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smithy Posted 19 February, 2009 Share Posted 19 February, 2009 I'm so sick of the whole business. Why can't it just be sorted one way or another?? It's like being stuck in a loveless marriage right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Milkybarkid Posted 19 February, 2009 Share Posted 19 February, 2009 Can't see the point in worrying. Can things get any worse than they are right now? OK so if we DO go down, administration and the 10 point penalty, probably next season so we start League 1 in deficit. Like Leeds did? Blow me, they really suffered from it, didn't they? For me, it might even bring the togetherness we've lacked in recent years. Just a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 19 February, 2009 Author Share Posted 19 February, 2009 I'm so sick of the whole business. Why can't it just be sorted one way or another?? It's like being stuck in a loveless marriage right now. Out of all the comments over the last few months, that comment just about hits the nail on the head as to how I feel at the moment. I am not being negative by wishing administration to come sooner rather than later, I just want to look forward to going to football again. I want to be able to realistically look up rather than down the leagues, I want to be able to dream of a return to the Premiership one day, be it in a season or ten. Things will never get better with Lowe and Wilde incharge... the gap from us and the others will get bigger and the dreams will remain..... dreams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 19 February, 2009 Share Posted 19 February, 2009 Can't see the point in worrying. Can things get any worse than they are right now? OK so if we DO go down, administration and the 10 point penalty, probably next season so we start League 1 in deficit. Like Leeds did? Blow me, they really suffered from it, didn't they? For me, it might even bring the togetherness we've lacked in recent years. Just a thought. It stopped them being promoted in their first season, tbh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 19 February, 2009 Share Posted 19 February, 2009 Can't see the point in worrying. Can things get any worse than they are right now? OK so if we DO go down, administration and the 10 point penalty, probably next season so we start League 1 in deficit. Like Leeds did? Blow me, they really suffered from it, didn't they? For me, it might even bring the togetherness we've lacked in recent years. Just a thought. Errr - yes they did. They've had two full seasons in the third tier and not particularly well placed for promotion this time out either, so a third season in the third tier is more likely than not. They're really living the dream I can't imagine in three years time if we were staring a third season in the third tier in the face I doubt you'd be so delighted about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modern matron Posted 19 February, 2009 Share Posted 19 February, 2009 The realists amoungst us know it is a matter of when and not if, so regardless of whether it is this season or next, how do you see SFC after the inevitable? Do you think SFC will be better off? What would need to be done by us, the fans to help ensure a bright future for SFC? Please give it a rest will you! How many bloody posts do you have to make to get over your view? We know what you think..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 19 February, 2009 Share Posted 19 February, 2009 Please give it a rest will you! How many bloody posts do you have to make to get over your view? We know what you think..... Hang on a minute. This thread just follows on from the one where Fitzhugh and Weston intimated that a Board Meeting had been called for Tuesday and administration was a definite possibility, if not probability. The question was asked what do WE do as supporters post admin to successfully get the club back on track? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WATERSIDEIFASAINT Posted 19 February, 2009 Share Posted 19 February, 2009 If Lowe and Wilde are still here this club will be officially dead and never recover.I hope whatever means that need to be taken are to ensure they don't buy the club for a £1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 19 February, 2009 Share Posted 19 February, 2009 Hang on a minute. This thread just follows on from the one where Fitzhugh and Weston intimated that a Board Meeting had been called for Tuesday and administration was a definite possibility, if not probability. The question was asked what do WE do as supporters post admin to successfully get the club back on track? This is absolutely reliable - PLC board will announce 1st week of Feb that company is entering administration. This is info I have obtained this afternoon from a wholly credible source. An absolutely massive blow, as I read this as relegation now a certainty. While it may in the long term prove a blessing in disguise, this will prove the absolutely bottom point we have reached for many decades. I am gutted tonight been there before tho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 19 February, 2009 Share Posted 19 February, 2009 In 30 years time we'll be telling stories about how we were once a top flight club, much in the same way pensioners do in Blackpool and Burnley when they reminiss about the good old days. I can see no way back for us for many many years to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 19 February, 2009 Share Posted 19 February, 2009 been there before tho I know and one takes anything on here with a pinch of salt. I was actually sticking up for Stu, (although I'm sure he can do that himself) because he started the thead on the back of the previous one. BTW, when Ron says we are pretty close to "the end game" then I for one, tend to sit up and take notice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyer Posted 19 February, 2009 Share Posted 19 February, 2009 It stopped them being promoted in their first season, tbh Unlikely to be promoted this season so it could mean a 3rd season in L1. You think its bad now, just wait until you see L1 games where everyone plays hoofball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFC Forever Posted 19 February, 2009 Share Posted 19 February, 2009 My 5yp son doesn't know who Lowe and Wilde are but he does know who SOUTHAMPTON FC are. As long as we have a team we will support. As long as we have a team we will follow. I have been on the march. I have boycotted St Mary's. I have waved my hankie. I have sung with pride when winning. I have suffered with every defeat. But not in the way he has. This is the worst season for me that I have seen in over 50 years. My son has still not been able to see us win in this his first season of football. Admin or not. Division 1 or safety. We will still go next season, but only if our club is returned to us the fan. Who so ever is in charge will have the task of uniting the whole kit and caboodle. Fans and the team, back as a single unbreakable unit. IT CAN BE DONE. IT MUST BE DONE. IT WILL BE DONE. Lowe and Wilde may choose to ignore the fans but the moneymen won't. I cannot believe this club is going to die, so I guess that means the deadly duo and friends will be gone. Sorry for going on but I love my club nearly as much as I love my son. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 19 February, 2009 Share Posted 19 February, 2009 been there before tho It's a matter of timing....IMHO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 19 February, 2009 Share Posted 19 February, 2009 In 30 years time we'll be telling stories about how we were once a top flight club, much in the same way pensioners do in Blackpool and Burnley when they reminiss about the good old days. I can see no way back for us for many many years to come. Have a couple of pints, Stanley, and let's all start being optimistic for a change. Blackpool and Burnley are surrounded by top flight clubs which drastically limited their crowd potential as soon as they hit the skids, and they also have aged stadiums. We, on the other hand, are neighboured by Bournemouth and that sh*t-hole down the road (who might just be in as much trouble as us), and we have a new-ish ground with development potential all around. The economy may be in the tank but this is when the big money comes looking for "potential". And if the pints don't work, hit this linky: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcO6NH7zcxs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 19 February, 2009 Share Posted 19 February, 2009 My 5yp son doesn't know who Lowe and Wilde are but he does know who SOUTHAMPTON FC are. As long as we have a team we will support. As long as we have a team we will follow. I have been on the march. I have boycotted St Mary's. I have waved my hankie. I have sung with pride when winning. I have suffered with every defeat. But not in the way he has. This is the worst season for me that I have seen in over 50 years. My son has still not been able to see us win in this his first season of football. Admin or not. Division 1 or safety. We will still go next season, but only if our club is returned to us the fan. Who so ever is in charge will have the task of uniting the whole kit and caboodle. Fans and the team, back as a single unbreakable unit. IT CAN BE DONE. IT MUST BE DONE. IT WILL BE DONE. Lowe and Wilde may choose to ignore the fans but the moneymen won't. I cannot believe this club is going to die, so I guess that means the deadly duo and friends will be gone. Sorry for going on but I love my club nearly as much as I love my son. I too have a young son who loves this club. But what I do know is that he will love this club as much if we are in the second tier of English football as if we are in the 12th tier (or where ever). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 19 February, 2009 Share Posted 19 February, 2009 Have a couple of pints, Stanley, and let's all start being optimistic for a change. Blackpool and Burnley are surrounded by top flight clubs which drastically limited their crowd potential as soon as they hit the skids, and they also have aged stadiums. We, on the other hand, are neighboured by Bournemouth and that sh*t-hole down the road (who might just be in as much trouble as us), and we have a new-ish ground with development potential all around. The economy may be in the tank but this is when the big money comes looking for "potential". And if the pints don't work, hit this linky: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcO6NH7zcxs I understand your point, but your facts aren't right about Burnley as their stadium was modern when they declined. Hillborough wasn't exactly modern when Wednesday went down, but it was still used for FA cup semi finals - look at it now! St Marys may be modern now (ignore the rust) but in a decade it'll be showing it's age - modern stadiums like all modern builds aren't built to last! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFC Forever Posted 19 February, 2009 Share Posted 19 February, 2009 I agree Trousers. However like thousands before me I have had more than enough. We need a change at the top to keep us alive because I am scared that otherwise we will do an Aldershot and simply go out of existance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 19 February, 2009 Share Posted 19 February, 2009 Well, being of the generation that supported Saints last time we were relegated to the third tier - and we clawed our way back too - and with family connections that go back to two years from the birth of the original St Mary's church team, there is no question for me that Saints football club (whatever name it re-emerges as) can ever be extinguished. Whatever it takes, the club must be resurrected. Count me in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 19 February, 2009 Share Posted 19 February, 2009 Think the problem for most is that we simply dont know what the the effects would be, apart frm it not being pleasent - could it get any worse than where we are right now? yup, could it be better by providing an opportunity for someone new? yup, but we simply dont know which way it would work out, and there is so much speculation form those 'ITK' or some pretending to know exactly what will happen that it just makes the whoe thing confusing. FWIW, I cant believe it will be good. The financial implications, certain relegation and possible new owners if we are to survive who may not have a brass fathing to rub together will mean uncertainty at best, and a proplonged period of misery at worst - but like I said I have no more idea than the club mascot on this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 19 February, 2009 Share Posted 19 February, 2009 I understand your point, but your facts aren't right about Burnley as their stadium was modern when they declined. Hillborough wasn't exactly modern when Wednesday went down, but it was still used for FA cup semi finals - look at it now! St Marys may be modern now (ignore the rust) but in a decade it'll be showing it's age - modern stadiums like all modern builds aren't built to last! You replied before having the pints, didn't you! Burnley's ground was only upgraded, though, wasn't it? I mean, it's not a new stadium. And the point about surrounding competition is key. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 19 February, 2009 Share Posted 19 February, 2009 (edited) You replied before having the pints, didn't you! Burnley's ground was only upgraded, though, wasn't it? I mean, it's not a new stadium. And the point about surrounding competition is key. Yep, but temper that by considering 50% of our potential catchment area is under the sea. BTW i prefer this song for relegation battles... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZkllM8znx4 But sadly i just can't get behind the club because of Lowe like in the old days. Edited 19 February, 2009 by Mole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 19 February, 2009 Share Posted 19 February, 2009 Post Administration? No Academy, no Staplewoood, none of our better players, renting the Stadium, Div 1 with 10 points deduction and the possibility of more and Div 2 beckoning. Fickle supporters who will not come back in a lower division (unlike Man City & Leeds who kept up the support despite all that went on), probably a fly by night owner trying to live the dream on a shoe string and worse, more debt. In a nutshell, a bloody disaster! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 19 February, 2009 Share Posted 19 February, 2009 Post Administration? No Academy, no Staplewoood, none of our better players, renting the Stadium, Div 1 with 10 points deduction and the possibility of more and Div 2 beckoning. Fickle supporters who will not come back in a lower division (unlike Man City & Leeds who kept up the support despite all that went on), probably a fly by night owner trying to live the dream on a shoe string and worse, more debt. In a nutshell, a bloody disaster! Ron, please go to the pub with Stanley! I'm trying to create a little optimism here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 Ron, please go to the pub with Stanley! I'm trying to create a little optimism here. Just got back from the pub, well club. Was speaking to Ken Jones (ex Saints) for a short while. He cannot believe the position we are in. He was quite sad about it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 Just got back from the pub, well club. That was supposed to cheer you up. Not a good sign! He cannot believe the position we are in. He was quite sad about it all. Did he say anything of interest that you could share? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 That was supposed to cheer you up. Not a good sign! Did he say anything of interest that you could share? No he is not in the loop. Told him more than he knew. Believe it or not until this season he had not visited the insides of SMS (corporate etc). He was very impressed with the stadium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 I agree Trousers. However like thousands before me I have had more than enough. We need a change at the top to keep us alive because I am scared that otherwise we will do an Aldershot and simply go out of existance. Aldershot are alive and doing well.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS1980 Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 Aldershot are alive and doing well.... Currently in L2, so we could only be one league above them come next season. Or even playing them although they are mid table so unlikey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 My son has still not been able to see us win in this his first season of football. That is the real tragedy of this whole situation. A completely alienated generation of fans. Since first reading your post, I have been trying to work out if my 8 year-old has ever seen Saints get so much as point when he's been there. Sadly, his fondest memory of a day out watching Saints is the chicken balti pies... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Bates Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 Post Administration? No Academy, no Staplewoood, none of our better players, renting the Stadium, Div 1 with 10 points deduction and the possibility of more and Div 2 beckoning. Fickle supporters who will not come back in a lower division (unlike Man City & Leeds who kept up the support despite all that went on), probably a fly by night owner trying to live the dream on a shoe string and worse, more debt. In a nutshell, a bloody disaster! I will still renew, however, if the club ceases to exist then so shall I. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modern matron Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 Hang on a minute. This thread just follows on from the one where Fitzhugh and Weston intimated that a Board Meeting had been called for Tuesday and administration was a definite possibility, if not probability. The question was asked what do WE do as supporters post admin to successfully get the club back on track? I apologise for any offence Stu it wasn't meant but surely this debate should happen WHEN not IF we go into administration. There are 14 games left surely the aim has to be to win as many as possible and get as far away from the bottom three as possible - maybe 10 points a la Doncaster form? Where's all the spirit of Southampton gone? I realise that people will think my view is over optimistic but we must stay behind the team and the club NOW! I also believe until rumours become fact they are irrelevant, and I for one wish people would stop spreading them. Virtually everything posted by people (in good faith) who are supposed to know something virtually never happen, but they create a very negative impression which does nothing to help SFC. I also want a new "club" ie no Wotte, no Lowe, no Wilde but that's not going to happen now is it? So please don't just throw in the towel and feel sorry for yourselves.......STAY WITH THE CLUB AND THE TEAM!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 If admin arrives then we failed pre-administration, I believe it was Dubai Phil who posted some time ago a piece on investors and relevance to a consistantly full stadium, i'm not solely blaming fans but blame can be apportioned and those who have not supported the club, when able to do so financially, have to accept a percentage of it. Of the 32k in 2004 how many do you really believe will return due to our plight, our unfortunate position has been there for all to see for some time now yet crowd numbers continue to decline except, of course, against Man U. I worry for the future in soooo many ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 The realists amoungst us know it is a matter of when and not if, so regardless of whether it is this season or next, how do you see SFC after the inevitable? Do you think SFC will be better off? What would need to be done by us, the fans to help ensure a bright future for SFC? Do you know what I think the future is on current plans - post-administration, honestly? This: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidthesquid Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 Could you get a bet on Saints being promoted from League 1 in May 2010, and if so what are the odds. Might just be worth a fiver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Tango Man Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 In 30 years time we'll be telling stories about how we were once a top flight club, much in the same way pensioners do in Blackpool and Burnley when they reminiss about the good old days. I can see no way back for us for many many years to come. The trouble is that some of us 50 plus year old supporters are already doing this !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 The realists amoungst us know it is a matter of when and not if, so regardless of whether it is this season or next, how do you see SFC after the inevitable? Do you think SFC will be better off? What would need to be done by us, the fans to help ensure a bright future for SFC? I've got to say, even if we get relegated I really don't think we're going to go into administration. There will obviously be a loss in revenue through a loss of fans, but I really think we're down to the hardcore go no matter what fans already, so you're unlikely to lose more than 3000 a game. BUT there will also be a big offload of high wage players. As long as we have enough to service the mortgage and the interest payments I don't think we'll be put into admin, as the bank will accept us staying stagnant within the overdraft (eg not paying it off, but not borrowing anymore). Don't forget, all these realists were the ones that said we were going to have to sell all our best players, or go into admin February 8th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidthesquid Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 In 30 years time we'll be telling stories about how we were once a top flight club, much in the same way pensioners do in Blackpool and Burnley when they reminiss about the good old days. I can see no way back for us for many many years to come. Your whole world would start to crumble if Saints started doing well. You wouldn't cope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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