PaulSaint Posted 20 April, 2009 Share Posted 20 April, 2009 Wow, as if this season hasnt been weird enough already, just seen this story on the BBC / Mirror site. Has major ramifications for us if passed? Here's a few key points: 36 clubs in two separate premier leagues Reduced relegations & promotions New knock out cup Celtic & Rangers invited in Wage control policies Reduced parachute payments Cant get my head around it being good or bad for us if it goes through. Would we get an invite, whats the criteria? If we dont its gonna be ruddy hard to get into it, etc, etc? :smt119 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 20 April, 2009 Share Posted 20 April, 2009 It will never happen, end of Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jawillwill Posted 20 April, 2009 Share Posted 20 April, 2009 Wow, as if this season hasnt been weird enough already, just seen this story on the BBC / Mirror site. Has major ramifications for us if passed? Here's a few key points: 36 clubs in two separate premier leagues Reduced relegations & promotions New knock out cup Celtic & Rangers invited in Wage control policies Reduced parachute payments Cant get my head around it being good or bad for us if it goes through. Would we get an invite, whats the criteria? If we dont its gonna be ruddy hard to get into it, etc, etc? :smt119 We might just scrape into it if they expand it to about7 Premier Leagues (and even then probably only on goal difference.) Perhaps we should just hop in and take advantage of the new even easier Scottish leagues. We'd be a surefire bet for a Europa League place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
September Saint Posted 20 April, 2009 Share Posted 20 April, 2009 Isn't it just an excuse to cut the PL down to 18 teams (Rangers-Celtic are just a distraction) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teamsaint Posted 20 April, 2009 Share Posted 20 April, 2009 its pretty much the plan rupert backed a few years ago. One of his better judgements IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 20 April, 2009 Share Posted 20 April, 2009 Definitely bad. The 36 teams will be chosen on current merit, which means we will be outside it and due to limited promotion and relegation, we will STAY outside of it. Unlike Smirking_Saint, I can see this happening. Not the Rangers & Celtic bit, UEFA and FIFA wont like it and if they are seen being weak about this, the next logical step is the Europaean Super League and the end of football and the national associations as we know it. They will have to make a stand. But definitely the rest of it. The question is, is it really bad for English football ? The TV coverage and money pot will be extended from 20 teams to 36 teams, meaning a securer future for more teams and a dilution of the power of the big 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Tone Posted 20 April, 2009 Share Posted 20 April, 2009 Definitely bad. The 36 teams will be chosen on current merit, which means we will be outside it and due to limited promotion and relegation, we will STAY outside of it. Unlike Smirking_Saint, I can see this happening. Not the Rangers & Celtic bit, UEFA and FIFA wont like it and if they are seen being weak about this, the next logical step is the Europaean Super League and the end of football and the national associations as we know it. They will have to make a stand. But definitely the rest of it. The question is, is it really bad for English football ? The TV coverage and money pot will be extended from 20 teams to 36 teams, meaning a securer future for more teams and a dilution of the power of the big 4. I agree with most of that for the short term, but in the end I think the smaller 'prem league 2 teams would be naively planning for their own future trouble. Their initial financial gain would not last. How long would it be before the prem league 1 teams start pushing for a disproportionate share of the TV money etc? Then prem L2 would in effect be as poor as the current championship teams etc. The problem football has is that the top teams are so greedy that eventually they will kill off the smaller teams, which ironically will eventually kill off the top teams too. Excellence has to have mediocrity elsewhere to look good. Or to put it in a less philosophical way, even the biggest teams need some little teams to beat and to bring on future players for them to nick. K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 20 April, 2009 Share Posted 20 April, 2009 the premier league is the best league in the world, with some, if not most of the best players in the world. All i can say is, if it aint broke dont fix it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 20 April, 2009 Share Posted 20 April, 2009 I agree with most of that for the short term, but in the end I think the smaller 'prem league 2 teams would be naively planning for their own future trouble. Their initial financial gain would not last. How long would it be before the prem league 1 teams start pushing for a disproportionate share of the TV money etc? Then prem L2 would in effect be as poor as the current championship teams etc. The problem football has is that the top teams are so greedy that eventually they will kill off the smaller teams, which ironically will eventually kill off the top teams too. Excellence has to have mediocrity elsewhere to look good. Or to put it in a less philosophical way, even the biggest teams need some little teams to beat and to bring on future players for them to nick. K. I'd give it about three months. After the first TV deal, the TV companies and the big clubs will realise that Middlesborough vs Wolves in PL2 is not a "Premier League" tie any more and the top 16 will shoot off into the cashosphere leaving the rest of them back at CCC level. The advantage for Saints is we'd probably get invited back into a new CCC which would be rebranded Coca-Cola SuperCity MegaLeague by then, with League One renamed Premier Elite Championship One and League Two renamed Coca Cola Premier Secondary Premier Championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 20 April, 2009 Share Posted 20 April, 2009 Definitely bad. The 36 teams will be chosen on current merit, which means we will be outside it and due to limited promotion and relegation, we will STAY outside of it. Unlike Smirking_Saint, I can see this happening. Not the Rangers & Celtic bit, UEFA and FIFA wont like it and if they are seen being weak about this, the next logical step is the Europaean Super League and the end of football and the national associations as we know it. They will have to make a stand. But definitely the rest of it. The question is, is it really bad for English football ? The TV coverage and money pot will be extended from 20 teams to 36 teams, meaning a securer future for more teams and a dilution of the power of the big 4. Would tend to agree with most of this, it appears to be a stepping stone to a EuroSupaLeague and to be honest I would welcome that part of it. Lets be honest if our top 4 clubs left our league and joined such a European League it would make our remaining top tier league much more competitive in terms of who could win it. Problem is - I cant see a Euro League working for very long - the obvious sticking point is fans - who would travel to any away fixtures... not that many. I can see it being tried - but I'm not sure that it will succeed. As for the plan as currently proposed - anybody not included in the intial top two leagues would be seriously hampered in trying for promotion. Vying for 3 promotion places is difficult enought - but a dog fight for a single shot at the big time would be niegh on impossible for some (most) clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stockportsaint Posted 20 April, 2009 Share Posted 20 April, 2009 It will never happen, end of I hope not - it smacks of a closed shop for the top 2 flights. 2 reasons it's quite unlikely: However, there are a substantial number of obstacles. Uefa, the European governing body, has consistently said that teams will not be allowed to play in leagues outside their own country. In addition, both Glasgow giants would inevitably find it harder to qualify for the Champions League. Manchester United, Liverpool, Chelsea and Arsenal are likely to be against the plan as it would affect their income. Others such as Aston Villa, Tottenham and Everton, who may consider it unlikely they would ever drop out of a 20-team Premier League, may also have misgivings. [/Quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 20 April, 2009 Share Posted 20 April, 2009 It will never happen, end of I hope you're right. But money talks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 20 April, 2009 Share Posted 20 April, 2009 I hope you're right. But money talks. I agree with this, and they have been trying to do this for years, really don't think it'll happen though. But the big clubs would probably vote in favour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 20 April, 2009 Share Posted 20 April, 2009 I've been in favour of something like this for a long time now, anything that can even out the differential between the league and Premiership can only be a good thing. It may take a loooooooooong time for us to be back in with a shout of getting there though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 20 April, 2009 Share Posted 20 April, 2009 Definitely bad. The 36 teams will be chosen on current merit, which means we will be outside it and due to limited promotion and relegation, we will STAY outside of it. Unlike Smirking_Saint, I can see this happening. Not the Rangers & Celtic bit, UEFA and FIFA wont like it and if they are seen being weak about this, the next logical step is the Europaean Super League and the end of football and the national associations as we know it. They will have to make a stand. But definitely the rest of it. The question is, is it really bad for English football ? The TV coverage and money pot will be extended from 20 teams to 36 teams, meaning a securer future for more teams and a dilution of the power of the big 4. In yesterdays Mirror they opined that to get it past the big 4 they would be given certain guarantees as to their income streams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyer Posted 20 April, 2009 Share Posted 20 April, 2009 Bad news for Saints, with reduced promotion and relegation, it will be much, much harder to try and get back into it. Good news for all the clubs that would make it there. The top half of the CCC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 20 April, 2009 Share Posted 20 April, 2009 the premier league is the best league in the world, with some, if not most of the best players in the world. All i can say is, if it aint broke dont fix it! the problem is just that,it is broke and has been flawed from the start this is why so many of the smaller clubs are in a financial mess. not enough of the money gets filtered down to the smaller clubs,they are raped of the best talent and the players at the top no longer play for the love of the game but for what they can get out of it financially.we were a part of it and just as guilty of the above crimes as the rest,we have raped the smaller clubs of their talent,we have taken sky's dirty money and now that we are no longer part of it we have sold the family silver trying to get back there with disasterous consequences. why should celtic and rangers be allowed to walk into the top league? they havnt earned the right to do that,there are 60-70 english clubs that have been trying to do that for decades so why should the scottish teams be allowed to stroll in without a fight? if they are so desperate to get into the prem then they should start at the bottom and work their way to the top otherwise it makes a mockery of what wimbledon achieved all those years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 20 April, 2009 Share Posted 20 April, 2009 the problem is just that,it is broke and has been flawed from the start this is why so many of the smaller clubs are in a financial mess. not enough of the money gets filtered down to the smaller clubs,they are raped of the best talent and the players at the top no longer play for the love of the game but for what they can get out of it financially.we were a part of it and just as guilty of the above crimes as the rest,we have raped the smaller clubs of their talent,we have taken sky's dirty money and now that we are no longer part of it we have sold the family silver trying to get back there with disasterous consequences. why should celtic and rangers be allowed to walk into the top league? they havnt earned the right to do that,there are 60-70 english clubs that have been trying to do that for decades so why should the scottish teams be allowed to stroll in without a fight? if they are so desperate to get into the prem then they should start at the bottom and work their way to the top otherwise it makes a mockery of what wimbledon achieved all those years ago. having 2 prems will not fix this, you have the top 18 loaded..the next 18 will be like the championship..will make no difference apart fromt he top 18 will get even more money. The prem is not broken..its the league divisions that are. All they need to do is filter more money down to L2 etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 20 April, 2009 Share Posted 20 April, 2009 the problem is just that,it is broke and has been flawed from the start this is why so many of the smaller clubs are in a financial mess. not enough of the money gets filtered down to the smaller clubs,they are raped of the best talent and the players at the top no longer play for the love of the game but for what they can get out of it financially.we were a part of it and just as guilty of the above crimes as the rest,we have raped the smaller clubs of their talent,we have taken sky's dirty money and now that we are no longer part of it we have sold the family silver trying to get back there with disasterous consequences. why should celtic and rangers be allowed to walk into the top league? they havnt earned the right to do that,there are 60-70 english clubs that have been trying to do that for decades so why should the scottish teams be allowed to stroll in without a fight? if they are so desperate to get into the prem then they should start at the bottom and work their way to the top otherwise it makes a mockery of what wimbledon achieved all those years ago. Don't think that it is too often that I agree with you - but on this one I think you are spot on. Money has gotten in the way of sport, (and not just football either) and now very few taste success whilst the remainder feed on scraps. I have an ongoing argument with a mate of mine (Fulham fan) that nobody is really interested in the FA Cup anymore because that too is dominated by the big 4 year on year. I maintained that for it to become interesting again - a smaller club needed to win it. God of course listened to my side of the argument and saw fit to ensure our good neighbors down the road lifted it last season...!!! But the fact remains - as you have stated, how many 'Wimbledons' do we get nowadays - hardly any, and that cannot be for the good of the game. I would really love to see the balloon burst and a level playing field prevail - alas I think that won't be in my lifetime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 20 April, 2009 Share Posted 20 April, 2009 it was initiated by Garside the Bolton chairman who is on the PL? (FA)committee. Just a safety net for all thiose who look in fear at clubs like us and Charlton who were up there and now in financial meltdown.None of them want to go down and so wish to make it nye impossible to do so. I dont think I will stomach it if it happens we would be gone forever and the excitement gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloridaMarlin Posted 20 April, 2009 Share Posted 20 April, 2009 I posted this on another thread last night. "The biggest concern should be the proposals Bolton chairman Phil Gartside is working on to create Premier League One and Two. If we're outside that, we're really in the mire. Basically, he's proposing that the current Prem, plus most of the Championship and Celtic and Rangers (not sure how they'll swing that through, but we all know that in football, might is right and the Premier League hold all the financial aces) hive off and form a two-tier Premier League. There will be two teams promoted and relegated between the two Premier League divisions each season, but only one relegation /promotion place between PL Div 2 and whatever's left. The rationale, of course, is to increase television revenue by widening the scope of "The World's Most Popular League" (not my words). The Premier League are mindful that there are some big clubs outside that in an ideal world they would like in. Leeds, Sheffield United and Wednesday, Birmingham. Even , dare I say it, Saints. What they wouldn't want - even if their league position warrants it - are the likes of Doncaster, Barnsley, etc. They look at the swathes of empty seats at Boro, Blackburn and commission the chairman of another of those clubs - Bolton - to look at a means of reviving a competition that is becoming boring because only one of four teams is capable of winning it. Gartside is working for all those clubs whose Premier League status is one of making up the numbers, but getting well paid for doing it. And at the back of their minds, of course, is the fear of what relegation from the current Premier League could mean (examples: Charlton, Saints, Leeds). So what's the simple solution to protect against relegation? Make sure you don't really get relegated by forming a second division. Once you've got that, you've basically got an NFL-style franchise system and clubs outside the expanded 40-member Premier League will be cast to the wind and tides. This might take a year or two to bring in, but Premier LEague clubs will go for it. It only requires 17 of the current Premier League to vote in favour of it, and there are enough whose aim at the start of every season is merely to reach 40 points, who will be comforted by the thought of a second tier safety net to lap it up. Let's not forget, here, that Saints were one of the original 22 clubs who unilaterally jumped ship in 1992 to form the Premier League in the first place. But you genuinely fear for Saints future if they are not in the next group of 22 or so to join them, and it doesn't look as though they will be." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 20 April, 2009 Share Posted 20 April, 2009 Don't really get how Celtic and Rangers are kept out given that Cardiff and Swansea are allowed in. But they should have to make the sacrifice of starting in league 2 at the very highest. They should start in the Tyro:mad::mad: this makes me fume, hundreds of teams play at all levels in this country, with the ultimate dream of top flight football What gives the jolly jocks the right to leapfrog all these teams, just so as they can get a bigger share of the 'pot'!! If this ever comes to fruition, than that's me and this money grabbing game, finished for good............crown green anyone?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 20 April, 2009 Share Posted 20 April, 2009 They should start in the Tyro:mad::mad: this makes me fume, hundreds of teams play at all levels in this country, with the ultimate dream of top flight football What gives the jolly jocks the right to leapfrog all these teams, just so as they can get a bigger share of the 'pot'!! If this ever comes to fruition, than that's me and this money grabbing game, finished for good............crown green anyone?? spoke to a Bournemouth fan last night and he said the same. I am very close to getting rid of my Sky subscription as I detest funding the overpaid footballers and clubs.If there was a proper boycott Id be very much for it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughieslastminutegoal Posted 20 April, 2009 Share Posted 20 April, 2009 I agree with most of that for the short term, but in the end I think the smaller 'prem league 2 teams would be naively planning for their own future trouble. Their initial financial gain would not last. How long would it be before the prem league 1 teams start pushing for a disproportionate share of the TV money etc? Then prem L2 would in effect be as poor as the current championship teams etc. The problem football has is that the top teams are so greedy that eventually they will kill off the smaller teams, which ironically will eventually kill off the top teams too. Excellence has to have mediocrity elsewhere to look good. Or to put it in a less philosophical way, even the biggest teams need some little teams to beat and to bring on future players for them to nick. K. Absolutely. Look at the history (1) we had divs 1,2,3,4 (2) 1st Div split themselves off and we had Prem, 1st Div, Div2 and Div3. (3) 1st D splits off and is now Championship, so we have Prem, Champ, League1 & 2 (4) Now it is suggested we have Prem1, Prem2 - and what else? As KT says above, Prem1 will split off again. And we have what the euro administrators have wanted all along - a Prem with 18 clubs in it so they can spend twice as much time in a euro chamionship. And to compete in that euro competition the P1 clubs will argue for, and easily get, whatever they want from Sky. Its called "consolidation" i.e. big gets evermore bigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcjwills Posted 20 April, 2009 Share Posted 20 April, 2009 Would tend to agree with most of this, it appears to be a stepping stone to a EuroSupaLeague and to be honest I would welcome that part of it. Lets be honest if our top 4 clubs left our league and joined such a European League it would make our remaining top tier league much more competitive in terms of who could win it. Problem is - I cant see a Euro League working for very long - the obvious sticking point is fans - who would travel to any away fixtures... not that many. I can see it being tried - but I'm not sure that it will succeed. As for the plan as currently proposed - anybody not included in the intial top two leagues would be seriously hampered in trying for promotion. Vying for 3 promotion places is difficult enought - but a dog fight for a single shot at the big time would be niegh on impossible for some (most) clubs. I think that a lot of the premiership clubs would go for this due to the idea that only 1 club from the league below premier 2 will get promotion and that the 3 clubs that get a parachute payment will be reduced to 1 club that in the now equivalent of league 1 will virtually be able to buy thier way out of the league, this means an extra £80 million in the pot each season to finance the league payouts. They will not have any parachute payment between Prem 1 and Prem 2, but the Premier league will be able to negotiate a better deal with Sky et al.. for more games to be shown as there will now be 2 leagues, this will effectively ensure that teams up in the current premiership should be able to maintain prem 2 status through television funding. In our current situation of slipping into league 1 this will be disaterous, if we can not get back up to the CCC and get in the top 14 for the next few years until it happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 20 April, 2009 Share Posted 20 April, 2009 Don't think that it is too often that I agree with you - but on this one I think you are spot on. Money has gotten in the way of sport, (and not just football either) and now very few taste success whilst the remainder feed on scraps. I have an ongoing argument with a mate of mine (Fulham fan) that nobody is really interested in the FA Cup anymore because that too is dominated by the big 4 year on year. I maintained that for it to become interesting again - a smaller club needed to win it. God of course listened to my side of the argument and saw fit to ensure our good neighbors down the road lifted it last season...!!! But the fact remains - as you have stated, how many 'Wimbledons' do we get nowadays - hardly any, and that cannot be for the good of the game. I would really love to see the balloon burst and a level playing field prevail - alas I think that won't be in my lifetime. the way i see it is that the big 4-6 clubs in the prem want all of the money,they are arrogant and ruthless in their pursuit,the rest of the prem clubs are there just to make up the numbers,a bit like the christians being thrown in with the gladiators,basically they are the blood to satisfy the crowds.....on a rare occasion one of the 'christians' gives a gladiator a bloody nose,but how often does this happen? IMO MANU are the worst offenders,they go out of their way to make sure that the riches are kept with the rich,they treat every competition apart from the champions league with contempt,they make a mockery of the domestic cups as they did yesterday. ferguson conned everybody yesterday by putting out his reserve side,the paying public,the armchair viewer,the bookies and their punters and the tradition and respect of the cup. im glad that MANU slipped up yesterday,there was no respect shown by them and they are allowed to continue with their shenanigans without any comebacks,and what is the first thing that ferguson does.......blames the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 20 April, 2009 Share Posted 20 April, 2009 Awful idea, would be the final nail in the coffin for many League 1 & 2 clubs, like us. If this happens I will just not bother with football anymore, Sky's money has ****ing ruined it enough, this will just be the final straw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgiesaint Posted 20 April, 2009 Share Posted 20 April, 2009 Like many who have posted before, I thought this would not happen. But what is most concerning is what UEFA have said today - effectively that thy would not veto Celtic & Rangers moving to Prem 1 & 2. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/8006934.stm However, it would appear that the FL can block the proposal - let's hope they do!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 20 April, 2009 Share Posted 20 April, 2009 It's a bit like when the Polytechnics rebranded themselves as universities. The Poly's thought that by adding Universtiy to their name they would suddenly become part of the elite, but peopel still saw through it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwertySFC Posted 20 April, 2009 Share Posted 20 April, 2009 Surely would be easier for us to join the Irn-Bru Scottish Football League Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenilworthy Posted 20 April, 2009 Share Posted 20 April, 2009 >Let's not forget, here, that Saints were one of the original 22 clubs who unilaterally jumped ship in 1992 to form the Premier League in the first place How right. And you can almost believe in Hoddle's Karmic retribution because I think we will be the 9th club out of those 22, including many like us who lost sight of where they came from, to since drop down into the third tier. There is some hope though in the current plight of Newcastle, which could easily be Spurs or Villa etc in a bad season. Because it will highlight the risk to the moderately sized clubs that a reduction to 18 clubs will greatly increase their chance of relegation. And whatever is said now, Premiership 2 will be the Championship by another name. Much as I hate the idea of Celtic and Rangers being in the league, I can't see a rational argument against it with Cardiff and Swansea having been in it for years. And I don't think UEFA will object either to them joining at a lower level than the top tier. In fact about 10 years ago Monaco were keen on leaving the French league to join Serie A and UEFA were happy to go along with them, but insisted they start off in Serie B so it didn't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martel Posted 20 April, 2009 Share Posted 20 April, 2009 the premier league is the best league in the world, with some, if not most of the best players in the world. All i can say is, if it aint broke dont fix it! I could not disagree with that statement, however, the best it may be, but it is also fastly becoming as boring as the SPL. Sorry that is how I see it, we had a fluke FA Cup final last year, and the less I say about this years the better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martel Posted 20 April, 2009 Share Posted 20 April, 2009 the way i see it is that the big 4-6 clubs in the prem want all of the money,they are arrogant and ruthless in their pursuit,the rest of the prem clubs are there just to make up the numbers,a bit like the christians being thrown in with the gladiators,basically they are the blood to satisfy the crowds.....on a rare occasion one of the 'christians' gives a gladiator a bloody nose,but how often does this happen? IMO MANU are the worst offenders,they go out of their way to make sure that the riches are kept with the rich,they treat every competition apart from the champions league with contempt,they make a mockery of the domestic cups as they did yesterday. ferguson conned everybody yesterday by putting out his reserve side,the paying public,the armchair viewer,the bookies and their punters and the tradition and respect of the cup. im glad that MANU slipped up yesterday,there was no respect shown by them and they are allowed to continue with their shenanigans without any comebacks,and what is the first thing that ferguson does.......blames the pitch. Again I agree with most of this post, however, Man U slip up! I do not believe they slipped up at all, I believe a lot of real football fans are getting fed up with the whole Premiership thing; our version of the old SPL, the only difference being is that we have four clubs not two, I think the FA and FL are begining to sense this as well; Something has to be done the whole thing is not sustainable, bottom line if Man U are making losses then what hope has any other club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martel Posted 20 April, 2009 Share Posted 20 April, 2009 Absolutely. Look at the history (1) we had divs 1,2,3,4 (2) 1st Div split themselves off and we had Prem, 1st Div, Div2 and Div3. (3) 1st D splits off and is now Championship, so we have Prem, Champ, League1 & 2 (4) Now it is suggested we have Prem1, Prem2 - and what else? As KT says above, Prem1 will split off again. And we have what the euro administrators have wanted all along - a Prem with 18 clubs in it so they can spend twice as much time in a euro chamionship. And to compete in that euro competition the P1 clubs will argue for, and easily get, whatever they want from Sky. Its called "consolidation" i.e. big gets evermore bigger. 100% spot on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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