fromthedell Posted 9 May, 2009 Share Posted 9 May, 2009 while i give lawrie great credit for what he done for us in the 70s and 80s am getting a little fed up with him now just read his echo column and he says he is shocked that the club expects only about 4000 people at the benefit game what does he expect us fans to keep on digging in our pockets again. i would like to now if he has put any money in himself and does he pay for his tickets to watch the games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 9 May, 2009 Share Posted 9 May, 2009 while i give lawrie great credit for what he done for us in the 70s and 80s am getting a little fed up with him now just read his echo column and he says he is shocked that the club expects only about 4000 people at the benefit game what does he expect us fans to keep on digging in our pockets again. i would like to now if he has put any money in himself and does he pay for his tickets to watch the games To be honest I think most fans think all this benefit stuff is irrelevant as we're about to be taken over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 9 May, 2009 Share Posted 9 May, 2009 my next game will be first home (or away if not too far away) pre-season to look at the new team. Not really interested in this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Monkey Posted 9 May, 2009 Share Posted 9 May, 2009 £20 to see out of shape ex players and cant hit a barn door 'celebrities' is pretty steep IMO. Add to that all the takeover talk, and the lack of support/aid from the current squad, and alot of fans will think they're being treated as mugs...yet again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 9 May, 2009 Share Posted 9 May, 2009 In my opinion only 4,000 turning up for a benefit game to help towards the Club is a pretty poor show.If Pompey were in a similar situation and only 4,000 turned up, I'd be giving my Skate boss some serious stick. What ever anyones thoughts on the players or cost of the tickets, Clubs of our size and catchment area should be getting a few more than that in our hour of need. Wont look very good for perspective new owners and if the Council are looking to buy the ground, what message does it tell them? Lawrie is right to be shocked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 9 May, 2009 Share Posted 9 May, 2009 In my opinion only 4,000 turning up for a benefit game to help towards the Club is a pretty poor show.If Pompey were in a similar situation and only 4,000 turned up, I'd be giving my Skate boss some serious stick. What ever anyones thoughts on the players or cost of the tickets, Clubs of our size and catchment area should be getting a few more than that in our hour of need. Wont look very good for perspective new owners and if the Council are looking to buy the ground, what message does it tell them? Lawrie is right to be shocked. I think Lawrie is trying to do a wonderful thing, but a buyer is coming. People are waiting to support the new manager and team once its known. Commendable Lawrie and he has put together a super evening potentially. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted 9 May, 2009 Share Posted 9 May, 2009 I wonder, are "the Club" (whoever that is now!) expecting 4,000 based on no takeover before this £20 pub game, or with a takeover before this game? If there is a supa dupa takeover I would say 4,000 would be disappointing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amesbury Saint Posted 9 May, 2009 Share Posted 9 May, 2009 what needs to happen is that the takeover is completed by then and the new manager installed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corsacar saint Posted 9 May, 2009 Share Posted 9 May, 2009 fromthedell is spot on, how much has mcmoneyme ever spent at the club? Yes its fine for the man to continually ask us fans to continually dig deep, but has the man ever put his hand in his own pocket to help the club? If he has then fair enough, but if not why not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 9 May, 2009 Share Posted 9 May, 2009 fromthedell is spot on, how much has mcmoneyme ever spent at the club? Yes its fine for the man to continually ask us fans to continually dig deep, but has the man ever put his hand in his own pocket to help the club? If he has then fair enough, but if not why not. Do you know the answer to this question? If you don`t I suggest that you jump off the "McMenemy is the Anti-Christ" bandwagon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 9 May, 2009 Share Posted 9 May, 2009 In my opinion only 4,000 turning up for a benefit game to help towards the Club is a pretty poor show.If Pompey were in a similar situation and only 4,000 turned up, I'd be giving my Skate boss some serious stick. What ever anyones thoughts on the players or cost of the tickets, Clubs of our size and catchment area should be getting a few more than that in our hour of need. Wont look very good for perspective new owners and if the Council are looking to buy the ground, what message does it tell them? Lawrie is right to be shocked. Did you give him some stick when only a few thousand turned up at Kanu`s Charity game the week after they won the Cup? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icey Saint Posted 9 May, 2009 Share Posted 9 May, 2009 i think your right 'fromthedell' its always frowned upon saying anything negative about Lawrie, as he was manager for our greatest moment blah blah blah. seems to me he's taken a bit out of the club and always seems to circle and return along with a few others (Mary Corbett) when things go wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 9 May, 2009 Share Posted 9 May, 2009 A reasonable point and most of the critics are close to the truth. But the guy was a legend in the 80's. Sometimes its better to take a low profile but his love for the club obviously makes this difficult - particularly when people keep asking him for help / quotes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 9 May, 2009 Share Posted 9 May, 2009 i think your right 'fromthedell' its always frowned upon saying anything negative about Lawrie, as he was manager for our greatest moment blah blah blah. seems to me he's taken a bit out of the club and always seems to circle and return along with a few others (Mary Corbett) when things go wrong. Yup. Yet this often gets overlooked. Didn't do too bad out of the reverse takeover.... at least with someone like Lowe he nails his colours to the mast... LMc's a shapeshifter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 9 May, 2009 Share Posted 9 May, 2009 I wonder, are "the Club" (whoever that is now!) expecting 4,000 based on no takeover before this £20 pub game, or with a takeover before this game? If there is a supa dupa takeover I would say 4,000 would be disappointing. That is a good point. I'll go either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
explorer saint Posted 9 May, 2009 Share Posted 9 May, 2009 Think the fans reaction is due to none of the players offering to take lower wages, I don't blame Lawrie to be honest but I think us season ticket holders have given enough over the years and not had value for money! Lets see the players leading by example, it leaves a bad taste in the mouth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 9 May, 2009 Share Posted 9 May, 2009 Did you give him some stick when only a few thousand turned up at Kanu`s Charity game the week after they won the Cup? Course I did, comparing that attendance following their cup win to MC's testimonal in '76. The point is, if they were in dire financial strights and had a benfit game which attracted 4,000, we'd be ****ing our pants. Before this thread desends into another Anti Lawrie which hunt, people should ask themselves what it looks like to supporters of other Clubs. Considering more turn up at testimonals for millionaires,4,000 is shocking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 9 May, 2009 Share Posted 9 May, 2009 No man is above criticism - all I'll say is that his heart is in the right place. Personally I think £20 is probably on the high side, £10 would have got far more in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 9 May, 2009 Share Posted 9 May, 2009 You can draw your own conclusions where I stand on this issue. Lawrie seems to be having a lot of shocks recently. Shocked that the club was in crisis yet great friends with Crouch and allegedly travel to away games together - don't they talk about the club? Shocked his charity game has only raised 4,000 sales but I assume he has been monitoring sales as part of his tireless work on this? Perhaps his ultimate shock is yet to come? The removal of his cash cow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 9 May, 2009 Share Posted 9 May, 2009 Is it Charity fatigue? I like many others donated tickets and perhaps now feel mugs that it is going to the players who have not made an effort to help. If they are playing on the night with absolutely no appearance money or cut then perhaps I might attend. This takepver is becoming a typical SFC farce as well. we will either be paying into buckets to fund them or the administrators fees if he puts us into liquodation. The 76 players are heroes and i have great affection for them and might prefer to remember them as they were then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 9 May, 2009 Share Posted 9 May, 2009 Yup. Yet this often gets overlooked. Didn't do too bad out of the reverse takeover.... at least with someone like Lowe he nails his colours to the mast... LMc's a shapeshifter :smt041 Never has a nail been hit more squarely on it's head. You respect someone who stands by their set of principles/methods as oppose to the Downing Street spin doctors types who rather than stand by their own message abd argue on that basis seek to rubbish and undermine others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egreog Posted 9 May, 2009 Share Posted 9 May, 2009 the benefit game is for what reason?.........keep paying wages to players who have underperformed and deserve sod all more than the thousands they have generated in unearned income up to now?.........sorry.........no........not paying it.........either a buyer comes in or not....... end of story.....i'll be surprised if 4000 turn up..........there is a credit crunch and frankly more deserving causes in the world today......... ........if no buyer the money generated will be a pittance quickly gobbled up in wages to journeymen......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 9 May, 2009 Share Posted 9 May, 2009 In my opinion only 4,000 turning up for a benefit game to help towards the Club is a pretty poor show.If Pompey were in a similar situation and only 4,000 turned up, I'd be giving my Skate boss some serious stick. What ever anyones thoughts on the players or cost of the tickets, Clubs of our size and catchment area should be getting a few more than that in our hour of need. Wont look very good for perspective new owners and if the Council are looking to buy the ground, what message does it tell them? Lawrie is right to be shocked. Hour of need? It seems quite clear that someoine ius going to buy us and the fact the administrator is running the show means that that 'someone' has to have some money, so therefore, there is no 'hour of need'. Lets face it, we've been mugged off again, this club was never going to the wall, I believe only Aldershot and Wrexham? have ever actually gone bust, it was never going to happen to a relatively high profile club likes ours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 9 May, 2009 Share Posted 9 May, 2009 You can draw your own conclusions where I stand on this issue. Lawrie seems to be having a lot of shocks recently. Shocked that the club was in crisis yet great friends with Crouch and allegedly travel to away games together - don't they talk about the club? Shocked his charity game has only raised 4,000 sales but I assume he has been monitoring sales as part of his tireless work on this? Perhaps his ultimate shock is yet to come? The removal of his cash cow? Woe betide anyone criticise dear ol' Lawrie.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 9 May, 2009 Share Posted 9 May, 2009 :smt041 Never has a nail been hit more squarely on it's head. You respect someone who stands by their set of principles/methods as oppose to the Downing Street spin doctors types who rather than stand by their own message abd argue on that basis seek to rubbish and undermine others. For the record 19 answer this please for everyone on here: Who has done the most for this Club: a. Lowe b. Lawrie Mac a or b? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 9 May, 2009 Share Posted 9 May, 2009 For the record 19 answer this please for everyone on here: Who has done the most for this Club: a. Lowe b. Lawrie Mac a or b? That isn't the point though, is it? I think it should read more like: Who is more likely to change sides in a war, if offered a cash incentive? a. Lowe b. Lawrie Mac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 9 May, 2009 Share Posted 9 May, 2009 For the record 19 answer this please for everyone on here: Who has done the most for this Club: a. Lowe b. Lawrie Mac a or b? NO BRAINER but i am not personally convinced of the benefits from this game, we either have people interested in buying or do not, raising money now achieves very little imo. What happens after this game if no buyer is found, a sponsored walk from the Stadium to the houses where the Dell used to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 9 May, 2009 Share Posted 9 May, 2009 That isn't the point though, is it? I think it should read more like: Who is more likely to change sides in a war, if offered a cash incentive? a. Lowe b. Lawrie Mac Not the question I asked. Who has contributed more to SFC 19? But I'd say the answer to your question CL is not necessarily Lawrie Mac! You need a c. Both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 9 May, 2009 Share Posted 9 May, 2009 That isn't the point though, is it? I think it should read more like: Who is more likely to change sides in a war, if offered a cash incentive? a. Lowe b. Lawrie Mac Two peas in a pod where cash is involved but imo A JUST WINS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 9 May, 2009 Share Posted 9 May, 2009 NO BRAINER but i am not personally convinced of the benefits from this game, we either have people interested in buying or do not, raising money now achieves very little imo. What happens after this game if no buyer is found, a sponsored walk from the Stadium to the houses where the Dell used to me. It is not a no-brainer for 19... come on 19 tell us exactly where you stand. We'll be bought out Mike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 9 May, 2009 Share Posted 9 May, 2009 For the record 19 answer this please for everyone on here: Who has done the most for this Club: a. Lowe b. Lawrie Mac a or b? As a football manager LM was superb, since then Im not sure he is any better that any of the otherswho have been part of our sad decline He is desperately trying to talk us up and i appreciate that.On face value he has got a lot of brownie points recently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 9 May, 2009 Share Posted 9 May, 2009 £20 to see out of shape ex players and cant hit a barn door 'celebrities' is pretty steep IMO. Add to that all the takeover talk, and the lack of support/aid from the current squad, and alot of fans will think they're being treated as mugs...yet again. Comparatively paying five pounds to watch me collapse in a heap with cramp is an absolute bargain... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 9 May, 2009 Share Posted 9 May, 2009 Comparatively paying five pounds to watch me collapse in a heap with cramp is an absolute bargain... I was a little disappointed that Evil didnt come and say hello. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 9 May, 2009 Share Posted 9 May, 2009 As a football manager LM was superb, since then Im not sure he is any better that any of the otherswho have been part of our sad decline He is desperately trying to talk us up and i appreciate that.On face value he has got a lot of brownie points recently. Agreed. Although resisting Lowe does not go down in my book as someone who was part of our sad decline. There may be other things he did or didnt do during that time but he certainly took the right side in that battle, hence the reason he IS now able to gain brownie points for organising such things now. When it changes to a 'Meet the new owners' celebration we'll see more than 4000 there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 9 May, 2009 Share Posted 9 May, 2009 Agreed. Although resisting Lowe does not go down in my book as someone who was part of our sad decline. There may be other things he did or didnt do during that time but he certainly took the right side in that battle, hence the reason he IS now able to gain brownie points for organising such things now. When it changes to a 'Meet the new owners' celebration we'll see more than 4000 there! Thats your problem though Robbie just because somebody is anti Lowe you think they are 100% good. That is not the case though in life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 9 May, 2009 Share Posted 9 May, 2009 Thats your problem though Robbie just because somebody is anti Lowe you think they are 100% good. That is not the case though in life. Not what I said at all Nick. I acknowledged Lawrie may have contributed as you suggest to the downfall, but that he took the right side. Not 100% squeaky clean is Lawrie, but certainly scores a higher point for judgement than the opposition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scally Posted 9 May, 2009 Share Posted 9 May, 2009 This game has been under written by a local businessman to the tune of 400 grand, that money is keeping the club from going under while all these negotiations are taking place. It may well be going to players that do not diserve it but the fact is the club still have to pay them. Take this money away and the club could well go to the wall like the parent company. The game may well be next week but the money it is supposed to to generate is needed now. If the negotiations take longer than expected and the football club goes tits up well really have something to wine about then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 9 May, 2009 Share Posted 9 May, 2009 This game has been under written by a local businessman to the tune of 400 grand, that money is keeping the club from going under while all these negotiations are taking place. It may well be going to players that do not diserve it but the fact is the club still have to pay them. Take this money away and the club could well go to the wall like the parent company. The game may well be next week but the money it is supposed to to generate is needed now. If the negotiations take longer than expected and the football club goes tits up well really have something to wine about then. Good perspective IMHO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 9 May, 2009 Share Posted 9 May, 2009 This game has been under written by a local businessman to the tune of 400 grand, that money is keeping the club from going under while all these negotiations are taking place. It may well be going to players that do not diserve it but the fact is the club still have to pay them. Take this money away and the club could well go to the wall like the parent company. The game may well be next week but the money it is supposed to to generate is needed now. If the negotiations take longer than expected and the football club goes tits up well really have something to wine about then. Scally so the businessman will be guarenteed his money back or will the new owners have to pick up the bill if the gate receipts dont tally? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 9 May, 2009 Share Posted 9 May, 2009 (edited) Why does it have to be that you are either pro or anti McMenemy/Crouch/Wilde or Lowe? As I have said before they are all to some degree responsible. The proportion of blame can be debated but this playground politics where you have to be either for or against is stupid and naive. As far as I am concerned, having supported Saints since the 50`s, Mcmenemy will always be a Saints legend for taking us to the undreamed of heights that he did in his 12 years as manager. I am sure that he is not perfect and has made some money from Saints. So what? How much did Lowe make? Edited 9 May, 2009 by miserableoldgit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scally Posted 9 May, 2009 Share Posted 9 May, 2009 I have no idea about that, IMHO he'll end up out of pocket because the gate looks like its not going to be that great if you look at the reaction of some of the people on here. The problem is there is a massive amount of apathy because we all seem to feel that every thing will turn out ok (I include myself in that). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 9 May, 2009 Share Posted 9 May, 2009 When I was a lad every conversation eventually got around to sex and who you had /would like to ****. On this forum everything eventually gets around to Lowe. I never knew chemical castration was so popular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 9 May, 2009 Share Posted 9 May, 2009 This game has been under written by a local businessman to the tune of 400 grand Was he really expecting 20k to go ? I know programmes, food, drinks etc will generate further revenue on the day but, still seems very ambitious imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redondo Saint Posted 9 May, 2009 Share Posted 9 May, 2009 I think it's too expensive. Surely a tenner woud be more realistic? This is a match to raise money for a commercial operation/business. I don't think the organisers should take the p1ss out of the fans. It would be nice to know how much the players/celebs are getting compensated for the game. This might help with the crowd numbers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 9 May, 2009 Share Posted 9 May, 2009 Do you know the answer to this question? If you don`t I suggest that you jump off the "McMenemy is the Anti-Christ" bandwagon. Well we know for certain he hasn't donated anymore than £1000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scally Posted 9 May, 2009 Share Posted 9 May, 2009 Was he really expecting 20k to go ? I know programmes, food, drinks etc will generate further revenue on the day but, still seems very ambitious imo I don't know the answer to that but IMHO again I think if people thought that if they didn't go and the club could fold then 30k would be no problem. As I said before we are all full of apathy because we think we can sit back and do nothing and some one will come along and save the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 9 May, 2009 Share Posted 9 May, 2009 I don't know the answer to that but IMHO again I think if people thought that if they didn't go and the club could fold then 30k would be no problem. As I said before we are all full of apathy because we think we can sit back and do nothing and some one will come along and save the club. If we can be clear, after reading another thread, the local business man has not underwritten this game to the tune of 400k, he wrote a cheque for 400k before the burnley game to keep the company trading, this money has to be paid back to him and so this is one of the ways of facilitating that repayment...yes ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Paul Posted 9 May, 2009 Share Posted 9 May, 2009 I don't know the answer to that but IMHO again I think if people thought that if they didn't go and the club could fold then 30k would be no problem. As I said before we are all full of apathy because we think we can sit back and do nothing and some one will come along and save the club. Everyone seems a bit blasé about the whole thing. It's as if we've seen it before so many times. Club goes into admin, reports state they could be going out of business, white knight comes along and saves them. People need to understand these are different times we're living in. Who would have thought 2 years ago that Banks will need bailing out by Govt and Companies like AIG near to bankruptcy. We are the first Club of any size to face these difficulties during the present finacial climate and that worries me greatly. If I have to put £20 of my hard earnt money towards paying Wayne Thomas ect wages, then so be it.Of course they dont deserve it, but I want a Club to pass onto my Grandchildren. By attending this game I may need to miss out on one round of golf this week, but that's small beer compared to having no Club to support. If a local businessmen has helped in this way, then our thanks should go out to him, and he should be named. I think we all suspect who it is, and I'm sure we all know who it isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 9 May, 2009 Share Posted 9 May, 2009 Everyone seems a bit blasé about the whole thing. It's as if we've seen it before so many times. Club goes into admin, reports state they could be going out of business, white knight comes along and saves them. People need to understand these are different times we're living in. Who would have thought 2 years ago that Banks will need bailing out by Govt and Companies like AIG near to bankruptcy. We are the first Club of any size to face these difficulties during the present finacial climate and that worries me greatly. If I have to put £20 of my hard earnt money towards paying Wayne Thomas ect wages, then so be it.Of course they dont deserve it, but I want a Club to pass onto my Grandchildren. By attending this game I may need to miss out on one round of golf this week, but that's small beer compared to having no Club to support. If a local businessmen has helped in this way, then our thanks should go out to him, and he should be named. I think we all suspect who it is, and I'm sure we all know who it isn't. i agree with your sentiment BUT what happens next month if the deal is not done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 9 May, 2009 Share Posted 9 May, 2009 i think your right 'fromthedell' its always frowned upon saying anything negative about Lawrie, as he was manager for our greatest moment blah blah blah. seems to me he's taken a bit out of the club and always seems to circle and return along with a few others (Mary Corbett) when things go wrong. This club dosn't deserve any hero's.....with fans like you and crab lungs, then look out MLT........they'll find a way to run you down mate. You make me ashamed of being a Saint:mad: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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