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16194. Thu Mar 17, 2005 1:49 pmicon_quote.gif When Southampton built their new stadium, it was said that it was on an old pagan burial ground, and some bodies had to be exhumed before building could begin.

 

Also, some of the builders were Portsmouth fans and buried various items of Portsmouth memorabelia in the foundations in order to curse the club.

 

Whatever the reason, there were many people convinced that the ground was cursed when the Saints failed to win any of their first 5 games, and a white witch was brought in to exorcise any daemons.

 

Southampton duely won the next game against Charlton:

 

Quote:Southampton were 1-0 up, the fans anxiously waiting for referee Dermot Gallagher's full-time whistle. Suddenly the ball broke on the edge of the box to Charlton defender, Steve Brown who, with the sweetest of volleys, had goalkeeper Paul Jones wrong-footed and a cruel equaliser seemed inevitable.

 

Yet amazingly the ball struck the foot of Jones' right-hand post. It kicked off the stanchion at an amazing angle, veered across the face of the goal and behind the sprawled body of Jones to completely bamboozle the Charlton forwards as it swerved away to safety.

 

Talk about the St Mary's curse, Pagan burial grounds, and evil spirits, but there was something pretty spooky about that one moment.

 

"When it came off the post you start believing in religion again," reflected manager Gordon Strachan,

 

Although Saints fans had their own theories:

 

Quote:The tabloids blamed a "curse" on St Mary's, but that was rubbish. There were two reasons why we were losing games at home... 1) We were playing good teams. 2) We were playing crap.

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I am currently working my way through it with a fine tooth-comb, (whatever a tooth-comb is).:)

 

It's actually: fine-toothed comb.

 

i.e. the hyphen is between the 'fine' and 'toothed'.

 

Note: fine-tooth comb (without the 'ed' suffix on 'tooth') is a synonym of 'fine-toothed comb'.

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Very close is the original Saxon settlement of Hamtun I believe, and the Vikings plundered around, so could be. Perhaps our bad luck is connected to the norsemen. Didn't it all start when we lost the playing services of the Svennsons? We are doomed............ doomed.....

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I am currently working my way through it with a fine tooth-comb, (whatever a tooth-comb is).:)

 

You should really try using a fine toothed comb.

 

Only too happy to help. ;-)

 

Just read back, I jumped straight here to make this comment. I did not 'Google' for the correct answer.

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... and, if so, could this be the source of the terrible luck that has befallen us since we moved from the Dell ...?

 

I'm thinking "Amityville Horror" (even if I can't spell it) ...

 

On the same day that the Skates have been bought by an Arab Zillionaire, we can't even pay the staff wages so you really have to wonder if there is a supernatural conspiracy against us !

I really look forward to the day that we are beyond all of this krap and can focus on a simple game of football to excite the soul once again !!!

All together now:

Our Father who art in heaven ........

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... and, if so, could this be the source of the terrible luck that has befallen us since we moved from the Dell ...?

 

I'm thinking "Amityville Horror" (even if I can't spell it) ...

 

I think you're referring to the 1982 film "Poltergeist".

 

In the 1979 film "The Amityville Horror", a family move into a house in which a murder has been committed; it is this which prompts the strange and unnatural occurrences.

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I think you're referring to the 1982 film "Poltergeist".

 

In the 1979 film "The Amityville Horror", a family move into a house in which a murder has been committed; it is this which prompts the strange and unnatural occurrences.

 

Yes I think you're right - sorry ... [smiley thing attempting cheerful indifference through savagely gritted teeth]

 

You get the gist (sp?) though ...

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We achieved our highest finish for a decade and reached a cup final at Saint Marys. I wouldn't call that terrible!

 

That was just a set-up to make our subsequent demise seem all the more painful ... you have to know about thse things ....

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THIS IS FACT there are still saxon graves beneath the Kingsland stand. I collected lots of newspaper cuittings when St marys was being built and in an Echo article it says that it was decided to leave lots of Saxon graves under the ground where the Kingsland stand is.

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This appears in British Archaelogy Issue no 54 August 2000:-

 

"The excavation, directed by Roland Smith of Wessex Archaeology, took place on the site of Southampton Football Club's new stadium. Only the area under the stands was excavated, leaving the rest of the cemetery and other Anglo-Saxon remains undisturbed under what will be the football pitch and the club carpark.

 

`It is a nice thought to imagine Southampton's Premiership League footballers dancing over all this surviving Anglo-Saxon archaeology', Mr Smith said."

 

 

 

Who ya gonna call ...?

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There was a similar tale about the Baseball ground. It was cursed because they threw some gypsies off to build it.

 

Sure it was Baseball ground, I know it was the case with St Andrews up at Birmingham, they both might of been built on gypo camps.

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The alleged shirt curse didn't seem to prevent us hammering Pompey when they came over, that might have been an indicator if there was any spooky truth in it.

 

And if their new owner has to remove travelling folk from any site to make way for a new ground he had better be polite if he wants their continued support.

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The point is, surely bringing in the white witch worked? We did well after she worked her magic. We're getting so desperate now, it has to be worth another try.

 

What a BAD BAD idea! The nickname of this football club is SAINTS and there is a very good reason for that. It was founded originally as a church football team from St Mary's Church. To suggest confounding the whole history of the club by doing something so stupid is beyond words! It is like an insult to our founding fathers!!

 

If you really believe in occultic ideas then it is a bad idea beacuse to so go against your history must have some sort of bad karma (or whatever you would call it), while those that hold to Christian beliefs would point out that the bible urges people to steer clear of occultic practices like this. Either way, you're onto a loser!

 

And if you are not religious then of course you are not going to want to waste even more of the clubs money on bringing in some white witch!

 

But if anyone really thinks it is an issue, why not invite some of the leaders of the local churches to hold a prayer meeting of local Christians in the stadium? I am sure they would jump at the opportunity and they wouldn't even charge to do it!

 

If I remember correctly Kriss Akabussi goes to a church just up the road from the stadium so perhaps he could be involved in some way?

 

Also, a friend of mine is the pastor of one of the bigger churches in Southampton and he is a big Saints fan too, so I am sure he would help out!!

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What a BAD BAD idea! The nickname of this football club is SAINTS and there is a very good reason for that. It was founded originally as a church football team from St Mary's Church. To suggest confounding the whole history of the club by doing something so stupid is beyond words! It is like an insult to our founding fathers!!

 

If you really believe in occultic ideas then it is a bad idea beacuse to so go against your history must have some sort of bad karma (or whatever you would call it), while those that hold to Christian beliefs would point out that the bible urges people to steer clear of occultic practices like this. Either way, you're onto a loser!

 

And if you are not religious then of course you are not going to want to waste even more of the clubs money on bringing in some white witch!

 

But if anyone really thinks it is an issue, why not invite some of the leaders of the local churches to hold a prayer meeting of local Christians in the stadium? I am sure they would jump at the opportunity and they wouldn't even charge to do it!

 

If I remember correctly Kriss Akabussi goes to a church just up the road from the stadium so perhaps he could be involved in some way?

 

Also, a friend of mine is the pastor of one of the bigger churches in Southampton and he is a big Saints fan too, so I am sure he would help out!!

 

Not wishing to knock anyone's religious beliefs, BUT......if praying could solve the cursed ground problem, maybe finding a new owner might also be on the list for god.

I imagine that any self repecting priest/minister/whatever who really managed to get praying to work would probably put world peace,end to poverty etc,etc just a slightly teeny weeny bit in front of the cursed football ground.

I'll just pop out to the shed for my tin hat.................. incoming.........

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It's actually: fine-toothed comb.

 

i.e. the hyphen is between the 'fine' and 'toothed'.

 

Note: fine-tooth comb (without the 'ed' suffix on 'tooth') is a synonym of 'fine-toothed comb'.

 

Shouldn't it be 'fine-teethed' comb - for those of us with more than one tooth?

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Not wishing to knock anyone's religious beliefs, BUT......if praying could solve the cursed ground problem, maybe finding a new owner might also be on the list for god.

I imagine that any self repecting priest/minister/whatever who really managed to get praying to work would probably put world peace,end to poverty etc,etc just a slightly teeny weeny bit in front of the cursed football ground.

I'll just pop out to the shed for my tin hat.................. incoming.........

 

No incoming!! I agree with you... but... that doesn't mean Christians aren't interested in praying for the club. I'm sure there are plenty of Christians in Southampton who, like my pastor friend, support Southampton and would be happy to pray for the club; and, yes, I don't just mean praying about some stupid allegations about cursed ground, but actually praying about meaningful stuff like getting a new owner, etc. After all, as another thread on here alludes, there is a link between the welfare of a football club and the welfare of the town in which it is based, especially in a city like Southampton.

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No incoming!! I agree with you... but... that doesn't mean Christians aren't interested in praying for the club. I'm sure there are plenty of Christians in Southampton who, like my pastor friend, support Southampton and would be happy to pray for the club; and, yes, I don't just mean praying about some stupid allegations about cursed ground, but actually praying about meaningful stuff like getting a new owner, etc. After all, as another thread on here alludes, there is a link between the welfare of a football club and the welfare of the town in which it is based, especially in a city like Southampton.

 

1. Is there a God?

 

2. If there were a God would he/she/it neccessarily be omniscient and omnipotent or indeed the only such God?

 

3. If so, is there any evidence to suggest that such a God has adopted an interventionist stance towards the world/universe?

 

4. Even if there were to be an omniscient, omnipotent, interventionist God, do you think that, assuming scarcity of remedial prowess and the need for some sort of rationing mechanism, such a God would devote his resources to reviving Southampton Football Club's fortunes in the face of terrible human suffering caused by human acts such as war, torture, oppression as well as "natural" disasters like earthquakes, floods and tsunamis whose origins are more cosmic in scale?

 

5. Would you accept League 1 football or even liquidation and the Blue Square as the price for the alleviation of the suffering of a single one of such a God's subjects?

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No incoming!! I agree with you... but... that doesn't mean Christians aren't interested in praying for the club. I'm sure there are plenty of Christians in Southampton who, like my pastor friend, support Southampton and would be happy to pray for the club; and, yes, I don't just mean praying about some stupid allegations about cursed ground, but actually praying about meaningful stuff like getting a new owner, etc. After all, as another thread on here alludes, there is a link between the welfare of a football club and the welfare of the town in which it is based, especially in a city like Southampton.

 

1. Is there a God?

 

2. If there were a God would he/she/it neccessarily be omniscient and omnipotent or indeed the only such God?

 

3. If so, is there any evidence to suggest that such a God has adopted an interventionist stance towards the world/universe?

 

4. Even if there were to be an omniscient, omnipotent, interventionist God, do you think that, assuming scarcity of remedial prowess and the need for some sort of rationing mechanism, such a God would devote his resources to reviving Southampton Football Club's fortunes in the face of terrible human suffering caused by human acts such as war, torture, oppression as well as "natural" disasters like earthquakes, floods and tsunamis whose origins are more cosmic in scale?

 

5. Would you accept League 1 football or even liquidation and the Blue Square as the price for the alleviation of the suffering of a single one of such a God's subjects?

1) Only in some peoples heads. Human's have to have something to believe in.

2) No

3) No evidence whatsoever

4) No - he/she would be too busy making other inhabitable planets in that cheap bit of real estate he/she got in that Universe down the road

5) That is a tough one - can I think about it?

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Burial ground or not - spirits, ghost and curses - total and utter sh i te - we have not got into this position through bad luck, curses or pompey shirts - we got into this by having players off form and a manager who did not give a toss in that last prem season, and being crap since and not managing the finances properly...

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