lee_saint Posted 29 May, 2009 Share Posted 29 May, 2009 I, myself don't feel that Wotte should be manager next season, but, I would like to see him stay on at the club. Maybe he could head up youth development, with his expirience with the Dutch U21's he could take them forward, what you lot think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponto1963 Posted 29 May, 2009 Share Posted 29 May, 2009 He's said he'd be happy with that. May be a good idea, depends who the new manager is , if any. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 29 May, 2009 Share Posted 29 May, 2009 Personally I'd get rid of them all, Wotte, Gorre and Svensson need to go and we need a fresh start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lee_saint Posted 29 May, 2009 Author Share Posted 29 May, 2009 Agreed with Gorre, I'm sure Svensson can be used in a junior coaching scheme, doing the soccer schools alas Gray? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Posted 29 May, 2009 Share Posted 29 May, 2009 clean sweep please. No old guard!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windmill Arm 2 Posted 29 May, 2009 Share Posted 29 May, 2009 I, myself don't feel that Wotte should be manager next season, but, I would like to see him stay on at the club. Maybe he could head up youth development, with his expirience with the Dutch U21's he could take them forward, what you lot think? I would be more than happy to see Wotte stay on in a youth development role, but first team coach/manager..........not on your nelly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 29 May, 2009 Share Posted 29 May, 2009 clean sweep please. No old guard!!! Does taht include LM and teh like? ;-) Wotte has been dignified and I would have no problems if he stayed and developed teh academy - the creative flair of yout is whats needed when we conquer Europe in 6 years time where old school 442 which got us promoted will no longer do :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 29 May, 2009 Share Posted 29 May, 2009 Half term coaching courses for me. Seems as though that young lad who led the marches called it right;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 29 May, 2009 Share Posted 29 May, 2009 Didnt he say at season end that if need be he would be quite happy to go back to his Academy role ? I dont see a problem with him doing that to be honest, he just shouldnt be first team manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 29 May, 2009 Share Posted 29 May, 2009 er also, think whatever happens we should get behind what the new owners decide and support it at leats for a while - new or old, whatever manager, whatever players, we just need some time to stand up after being knocked to teh gound, brush ourselves off and walk before we run... clicheville ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocker268 Posted 29 May, 2009 Share Posted 29 May, 2009 I agree, he shouldn't be manager because he has shown in results that he can't do it, I also feel we need a fresh start but although words can be made to sound the way you want them, i have been very impressed recently with his attitude and approach in the situation so a role in the acadamey would be a good move IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocker268 Posted 29 May, 2009 Share Posted 29 May, 2009 er also' date=' think whatever happens we should get behind what the new owners decide and support it at leats for a while - new or old, whatever manager, whatever players, we just need some time to stand up after being knocked to teh gound, brush ourselves off and walk before we run... clicheville ;-)[/quote'] This should seem about right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 29 May, 2009 Share Posted 29 May, 2009 I agree, he shouldn't be manager because he has shown in results that he can't do it, I also feel we need a fresh start but although words can be made to sound the way you want them, i have been very impressed recently with his attitude and approach in the situation so a role in the acadamey would be a good move IMO I think he has given the impression of someone who actually quite likes us - is becomming a bit attached so to speak...and I think he does have skills taht would be a big asset at youth dev level - should we not be looking to keep those sort of folk - not carry deadwood for sure, but I think he has enough about him to do a bloody good jo at that level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 29 May, 2009 Share Posted 29 May, 2009 I don't think I'm too worried just yet. I'm certainly not going to start second guessing and criticising the decisions of any new owners before a ball has even been kicked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 29 May, 2009 Share Posted 29 May, 2009 I think MLT will know what is needed more than anything else at this club. I think I can guess what it is, but that would be arrogant. So let me say I hope it will be A complete break with the past, with anyone associated with or tainted by the failures. We are in league 1. Wotte was part of the structure that got us here. IMHO he doesn't even get the benefit of the doubt, he may be a nice guy, but he is associated with failure. So long and thanks for all the fish (Is a good book and about the best I could come up with) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 29 May, 2009 Share Posted 29 May, 2009 I think Wotte should do the decent thing and resign rather than waiting for his redundancy payment. Largely his fault we're relegated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 29 May, 2009 Share Posted 29 May, 2009 from what i understand pinnacle have their own man lined up....dont ask me who it is as i havnt got that far yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 29 May, 2009 Share Posted 29 May, 2009 I think Wotte should do the decent thing and resign rather than waiting for his redundancy payment. Largely his fault we're relegated. Totally agree. If he had any semblence of character, any pride and if he really does like us, then he would quietly trot off back to Holland, the Middle East etc etc etc. A failure, and involved with all the failings of this failed season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW11_Saint Posted 29 May, 2009 Share Posted 29 May, 2009 No thanks. I'd like to see us cut all ties with the old Lowe regime, and unfortunately that mean Mark Wotte too. All the best for the future though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 29 May, 2009 Share Posted 29 May, 2009 No thanks. I'd like to see us cut all ties with the old Lowe regime, and unfortunately that mean Mark Wotte too. All the best for the future though. Agreed and I would imagine the new owners will want to bring in their own man in any case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egreog Posted 29 May, 2009 Share Posted 29 May, 2009 Agreed and I would imagine the new owners will want to bring in their own man in any case. Totally agree......there is no way they will continue with many of the present losers.........it will be a new start and there will be a potential new manager in the wings without a doubt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alain Perrin Posted 29 May, 2009 Share Posted 29 May, 2009 Totally agree. If he had any semblence of character, any pride and if he really does like us, then he would quietly trot off back to Holland, the Middle East etc etc etc. A failure, and involved with all the failings of this failed season. What a load of boll0cks. 'Semblance of character'? Why don't you demand that he commit suicide in the centre circle - you could sell tickets to see it in a kind of Saints SuicAide? I agree that a clean sweep is preferable, but because I think there will be people wanting to perpetuate the disunity if he stays, not because I necessarily agree he couldn't do a job for us. Two reasons exist for me to support keeping him as 1st team coach: 1) If the replacement isn't of any calibre. 2) If the replacement comes too late in the pre-season to make a difference/signings etc. In those situations I find it hard to support a change for changes sake. Also, Wotte gives us consistency and continuity and for that reason I'd favour keeping in him some role. At -10 points, we cannot afford a bedding in period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 29 May, 2009 Share Posted 29 May, 2009 Two reasons exist for me to support keeping him as 1st team coach: 1) If the replacement isn't of any calibre. 2) If the replacement comes too late in the pre-season to make a difference/signings etc. In those situations I find it hard to support a change for changes sake. That's the same kind of ****** that was trotted out as reasons for keeping Lowe (fat lot of good that did LOL). We're still a good catch and if things go well we may actually go into next season with a new found vibrancy about the place. But don't worry, stick with someone who was up to his neck in probably the worst season in our history because there might not be anyone better out there! Also, Wotte gives us consistency and continuity and for that reason I'd favour keeping in him some role. At -10 points, we cannot afford a bedding in period. Consistency of what???? Consistency of relegation, sh1te and failure. Yeah right, let's keep him on so we can benefit from his consistency (hang on, didn't we do that around January time???). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wopper Posted 29 May, 2009 Share Posted 29 May, 2009 Wotte was quite happy to see Jan kicked out so lets hope he gets the pleasure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alain Perrin Posted 29 May, 2009 Share Posted 29 May, 2009 That's the same kind of ****** that was trotted out as reasons for keeping Lowe (fat lot of good that did LOL). We're still a good catch and if things go well we may actually go into next season with a new found vibrancy about the place. I agree with you last sentence, but you misrepresent me. I said a reason for keeping was IF his replacement wasn't an improvement. I don't know if, with Pinnacle, we will be awash with cash or head above water. Are you telling me you wouldn't prefer Wotte to Francis Vines? Consistency of what???? Consistency of relegation, sh1te and failure. Yeah right, let's keep him on so we can benefit from his consistency (hang on, didn't we do that around January time???). Consistency of knowing the players. I'd rather have someone who knew the players, their weaknesses and strengths etc., than a clean broom 2 days before the season starts. ps. plus if he's not around, what are you going to have hissy fits about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 29 May, 2009 Share Posted 29 May, 2009 He'll find something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 29 May, 2009 Share Posted 29 May, 2009 I was joking, btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 29 May, 2009 Share Posted 29 May, 2009 I agree with you last sentence, but you misrepresent me. I said a reason for keeping was IF his replacement wasn't an improvement. I don't know if, with Pinnacle, we will be awash with cash or head above water. Are you telling me you wouldn't prefer Wotte to Francis Vines? Oh, LOL, the classic chestnut of I'd rather have him than employ someone like Wigley (or even Poortvliet). Quite frankly, if Wotte is the best we can attract or hope for, then I think we're fcked anyway. Let's just settle for someone who was integral to the last shambles of a season, because in that big wide world out there there is no one better who we could get. Let's all go provincial!!!! Consistency of knowing the players. I'd rather have someone who knew the players, their weaknesses and strengths etc., than a clean broom 2 days before the season starts. ps. plus if he's not around, what are you going to have hissy fits about Has to be one of the most pss poor reasons for sticking with a failed manager - at least he knows why we're sht (how about we're sht because he played such a big part?). I wouldn't mind if people came up with valid reasons to justify their opinions but (a) we may not get anyone better and (b) he knows where we're crap is rather lame. That young lad on the marches got Wotte right. A joke as a part of the Revolutionary Coaching Set Up, and no change when he went it alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alain Perrin Posted 29 May, 2009 Share Posted 29 May, 2009 I was joking, btw. Ohhhh no you weren't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 29 May, 2009 Share Posted 29 May, 2009 The guy has got many teams relegated including us. If he can't get the team we had playing then i doubt he will get one of even lower quality playing. As i said at the start of the season if this dutch system failed in Holland how will it work in England? It obviously didn't. The guy brings nothing to the table that will benefit our club. As mentioned we need a clean sweep. Nobody from the old regime should remain including Crouch and Lawrie. A new start with new people. Because if it goes wrong next season people will say it is because he was kept on. The fact is he had almost half a season. If he had a full season his points ratio would of still seen us down. He did not save us and never looked like he would. He himself said he would resign if we went down and of course he hasen't. Because even being in the 3rd tier in England is a better job then he would ever be offered elsewhere. His performances were as good as his word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 29 May, 2009 Share Posted 29 May, 2009 He'll find something. We could always talk about Zimbabwe, then you culd really flex your muscles;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 29 May, 2009 Share Posted 29 May, 2009 I think Wotte should do the decent thing and resign rather than waiting for his redundancy payment. Largely his fault we're relegated. !!!!!!! So, nothing to do with the players or anything that happened before he took over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 29 May, 2009 Share Posted 29 May, 2009 Not quite sure some on here seem so embittered that they relish someones unemployment - have we really become so that we dont give a toss about anyone as they are involved in football, UP you sound like you rate your 'hobby' as more important than wishing the best for folk - when all's said and done this is still only a game and sure he is well paid (although 60k is hardly major in this bloated businesss), but come on, you sound like you take pleasure in it... I think most people especially in this climate would like to think their employers also rate effort and committment as part of the assessment? Fair enough his record is not great but to see words on here that give the perception that you will have pleasure in his dismissal does not paint you in any great light. Like all fans I want the best we can realistically attract to give us the best cahnce of success, and yes that means there is most likely a need for change, but your schardenfreude in this is at best odd and at worst quite pathetic...sorry but thats how it comes across - and he merely took a job, he is not your nemesis Lowe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alain Perrin Posted 29 May, 2009 Share Posted 29 May, 2009 Oh, LOL, the classic chestnut of I'd rather have him than employ someone like Wigley (or even Poortvliet). Quite frankly, if Wotte is the best we can attract or hope for, then I think we're fcked anyway. Let's just settle for someone who was integral to the last shambles of a season, because in that big wide world out there there is no one better who we could get. Let's all go provincial!!!! Has to be one of the most pss poor reasons for sticking with a failed manager - at least he knows why we're sht (how about we're sht because he played such a big part?). I wouldn't mind if people came up with valid reasons to justify their opinions but (a) we may not get anyone better and (b) he knows where we're crap is rather lame. That young lad on the marches got Wotte right. A joke as a part of the Revolutionary Coaching Set Up, and no change when he went it alone. So to paraphrase, you'd rather have ANYONE but Wotte and you're quite happy for them to meet the players for the first time two days before the season starts. Odd, but you're entitled to your opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 29 May, 2009 Share Posted 29 May, 2009 So to paraphrase, you'd rather have ANYONE but Wotte and you're quite happy for them to meet the players for the first time two days before the season starts. Odd, but you're entitled to your opinion. What is odd is thinking we will only be able to employ a manager who has to be worse than Wotte, and even then he will only be able to be employed 2 days before the start of the season. It's a big wide world out there you know, and there are slightly more alternatives and possibilities than you would seem to like us to believe. Your line is that if the choice is Wigley or Poortvliet being appointed 2 days before the season, then you would rather go with Wotte. Quite frankly, so would I, but it's a rather noddy line to take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 29 May, 2009 Share Posted 29 May, 2009 Not quite sure some on here seem so embittered that they relish someones unemployment - have we really become so that we dont give a toss about anyone as they are involved in football, UP you sound like you rate your 'hobby' as more important than wishing the best for folk - when all's said and done this is still only a game and sure he is well paid (although 60k is hardly major in this bloated businesss), but come on, you sound like you take pleasure in it... I think most people especially in this climate would like to think their employers also rate effort and committment as part of the assessment? Fair enough his record is not great but to see words on here that give the perception that you will have pleasure in his dismissal does not paint you in any great light. Like all fans I want the best we can realistically attract to give us the best cahnce of success, and yes that means there is most likely a need for change, but your schardenfreude in this is at best odd and at worst quite pathetic...sorry but thats how it comes across - and he merely took a job, he is not your nemesis Lowe. Behave yourself. Football is a tough business and anyone who enters into it knows the benefits and the pitfalls. They should be tough enough to be able to face the bad times as well as the good times. And quite frankly if they haven't got the mettle to deal with such adversity then they really shouldn't be in this tough business. If we're going to be all nicey nicey, then maybe we should still have Wigley at the helm. And darn anyone who suggested Poortvliet should get the boot. What is pathetic is your effort to shoot some cheap shots when at the end of the day calling for a change of manager is par for the course in the world of football. Shock, horror, football fan suggests manager should get the sack. Faux outrage abounds. Maybe you should have been saying the same to Lowe and Wilde when you were speaking to them a year ago about not booting Pearson out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 29 May, 2009 Share Posted 29 May, 2009 Behave yourself. Football is a tough business and anyone who enters into it knows the benefits and the pitfalls. They should be tough enough to be able to face the bad times as well as the good times. And quite frankly if they haven't got the mettle to deal with such adversity then they really shouldn't be in this tough business. If we're going to be all nicey nicey, then maybe we should still have Wigley at the helm. And darn anyone who suggested Poortvliet should get the boot. What is pathetic is your effort to shoot some cheap shots when at the end of the day calling for a change of manager is par for the course in the world of football. Shock, horror, football fan suggests manager should get the sack. Faux outrage abounds. Maybe you should have been saying the same to Lowe and Wilde when you were speaking to them a year ago about not booting Pearson out. Grow up Never spoke to Lowe for a start and as you know when we spoke to Wilde our survival was far from gauranteed so stopp twisting things to support your stance. Of course its a tough business and of course these guys are used to it and expect it - so dont try the niave tag... but the fact remains whether its wigley, Gray , wotte or PEARSON why the need to take pleasure in their sacking - just fecking childish and you know it. I felt bad for Pearson because he deserved a chance and I stated that, I had NO pleasure in his departure, as I had none when Wigley left because he merely tried to do his best - he was found wanting, but no need to stick the boot in - but hey if it makes you feel better... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 29 May, 2009 Share Posted 29 May, 2009 So... how many times is this thread been posted ??? As before Wotte should stay on... as a youth development coach (for our and his progression) We should approach a decent and long term manager that will move us on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 30 May, 2009 Share Posted 30 May, 2009 Of course its a tough business and of course these guys are used to it and expect it - ... So how come you're sounding like his mother and getting all upset about it. You need to try and rise above things Frank, because you come across as all blinkered and bitter (someone pt a link up here the other day about bitterness being a medical condition, maybe you should have another look). Wotte underperformed as a part of the Revolutionary Coaching Set Up and also on his own, and for that IMHO deserves to get the boot. It's not about personalities or who hired him, it's solely down to results and performances on the pitch. I'm not getting any pleasure out of that, as ultimately it means our Club has suffered, but I won't be shedding any tears for him either. Football's a tough, ruthless business and having been sacked before I'm sure Wotte knows that better than you or I. So to try and score some cheap points and accuse me of taking pleasure in Wotte's demise is low, even by your standards. Just for the record one more time, I don't take any pleasure in suggesting Wotte should get the sack. This is simply football and there are managerial casualties all the time. So get down from your high horse and stop being so sanctimonious. A football supporter calling for the managers head, how very, very, very dare you!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 30 May, 2009 Share Posted 30 May, 2009 So how come you're sounding like his mother and getting all upset about it. You need to try and rise above things Frank, because you come across as all blinkered and bitter (someone pt a link up here the other day about bitterness being a medical condition, maybe you should have another look). Wotte underperformed as a part of the Revolutionary Coaching Set Up and also on his own, and for that IMHO deserves to get the boot. It's not about personalities or who hired him, it's solely down to results and performances on the pitch. I'm not getting any pleasure out of that, as ultimately it means our Club has suffered, but I won't be shedding any tears for him either. Football's a tough, ruthless business and having been sacked before I'm sure Wotte knows that better than you or I. So to try and score some cheap points and accuse me of taking pleasure in Wotte's demise is low, even by your standards. Just for the record one more time, I don't take any pleasure in suggesting Wotte should get the sack. This is simply football and there are managerial casualties all the time. So get down from your high horse and stop being so sanctimonious. A football supporter calling for the managers head, how very, very, very dare you!!! Jeez what are you on - if you dont take pleasure from, be more attentive in editing your posts so they dont come across that way. Cheap points? WTF its not about cheap points, its about being critical of the impression you give - look at the medical condition coment if you want to see on of those (or dont you do irony) I Have nothing to be bitter and blinkered about - football is football and toady we see some hope that the club we support may be in for better times, so dont see where you are coming from, but just because football is a ruthless business does not mean all supporters have to be equally so - call it what you like and tell me I am soft in the head, whatever, but I just dont see the need for some of those comments that all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offix Posted 30 May, 2009 Share Posted 30 May, 2009 Bring in all new please!! Out with the complete old guard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW5 SAINT Posted 30 May, 2009 Share Posted 30 May, 2009 Shearer stalling on signing his Newcastle deal!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 30 May, 2009 Share Posted 30 May, 2009 He's said he'd be happy with that. May be a good idea, depends who the new manager is , if any. at least once he has said that he is under contract as ..youth team coach he took over from JP when asked to do so by the (then) Board..he didn't say NO.. but he's hardly responsible for clearing up other peoples mistakes. I think he should stay..he's the only man who know all the playing staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 30 May, 2009 Share Posted 30 May, 2009 I've not been overly impressed with Mark Wotte myself but a good first step for any new Chairman might be to sound out what the senior players really think of him - if he has their genuine support then it may be worth giving him some more time . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 30 May, 2009 Share Posted 30 May, 2009 at least once he has said that he is under contract as ..youth team coach he took over from JP when asked to do so by the (then) Board..he didn't say NO.. but he's hardly responsible for clearing up other peoples mistakes. I think he should stay..he's the only man who know all the playing staff. What about those on 'gardening' leave like Hockaday? He certainly knows the players and was doing a decent job before he fell foul of the nutjobs we had in charge last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 30 May, 2009 Share Posted 30 May, 2009 if you dont take pleasure from' date=' be more attentive in editing your posts so they dont come across that way.[/quote'] I'll say it one more time just for you Frank, as you're obviously finding this hard to take in: I take no pleasure in suggesting Wotte is not the right man to take us forward (not least because alot of that opinion is based on the failures of last year that cost the Club so much). Got it now???? No pleasure at all. Maybe you should be more attentive to what's written and not try and read other stuff in to it, (of course feel free to highlight the many times I have expressed pleasure in thinking Wotte should get the boot LOL). After all you have a bit of a history of reading things into other peoples posts and then getting all hissy;) Just one last time in case you're unsure, no pleasure whatsoever. HTH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smarmy Posted 30 May, 2009 Share Posted 30 May, 2009 His points per game was actually pretty similar to Pearson, who had a MUCH stronger squad. I've got no problem if he goes - if we can replace him with someone better - but no bitterness. There are lots of reasons to keep him - knows the academy players, lots of experience (and the Eredivisie IS better than League 1), don't have to pay him off, already started planning for next season whereas a new guy would be starting cold. It all depends on who we could get otherwise, and we're not THAT attractive. We're going to have small crowds (although not for the division), -10 points, no transfer budget (my guess). Change for change's sake would seem a bit thick, imo, and hopefully the new owners will be smart and only change if they can get the right man, and quickly. (First post! Hello! I like the muffins!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 30 May, 2009 Share Posted 30 May, 2009 I don't think he should be manager during this coming season, but I must give tribute to him during these difficult times because he has been the only one holding the ship together. Well done Mark Wotte for this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lee_saint Posted 30 May, 2009 Author Share Posted 30 May, 2009 I don't think he should be manager during this coming season, but I must give tribute to him during these difficult times because he has been the only one holding the ship together. Well done Mark Wotte for this. Totally agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 30 May, 2009 Share Posted 30 May, 2009 Wow . A topic about football, that must be a real positive sign for the club I quite like Mark Wotte. he was doing a difficult job in very difficult times. Im convinced he was well aware of what was happening behind the scenes. For me he tried to remain focussed on what was needed on the playing side even if players were being booed etc etc and did his best to motivate the players under extreme pressure. Don't forget the FL gave us 10 points deduction with 2 games remaining. that was a real killer blow to the team. Not Wottes fault I get the distinct impression that the players were totally behind him. even in recent days with no wages being payed. he played a pivitol role in motivating the players. I personnaly would like him to remain at the club not either as manager or assistant manager along with killer. Who ever is incharge will get my support as long as its not redknapp or any other skate reject Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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