ooohTerryHurlock Posted 29 May, 2009 Share Posted 29 May, 2009 Politics!!!. I guess as the dust looks to be settling on the takeover thet are turning there attention to the Labour party and Politics!!!! Loved the bulletin. The comment that any one cming to the area would see a depressed city even the football club has gone bankrupt!. I hope the council was listening! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknrollman no2 Posted 29 May, 2009 Share Posted 29 May, 2009 Didnt the News At Ten make Southampton look bleak? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smithy Posted 29 May, 2009 Share Posted 29 May, 2009 Didnt the News At Ten make Southampton look bleak? It looked like a really dull northern place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smithy Posted 29 May, 2009 Share Posted 29 May, 2009 Takeover was top story on Meridian late news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ooohTerryHurlock Posted 29 May, 2009 Author Share Posted 29 May, 2009 Didnt the News At Ten make Southampton look bleak? Exactly. Not even a shot of the amazing new Ikea!!! Although the stadium did look pretty good! This council has heaps to do to get this City back on the map! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Le Taxi Posted 29 May, 2009 Share Posted 29 May, 2009 Perry and Clive on Nes at ten talking about... They were on a nintendo entertainment system? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 29 May, 2009 Share Posted 29 May, 2009 They should have shown the youtube clip of McMillan on the pitch after the Burnley game. Nice to see Clive again though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 29 May, 2009 Share Posted 29 May, 2009 It looked like a really dull northern place. Watford ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Jonny Posted 29 May, 2009 Share Posted 29 May, 2009 who is clive...and are we talking about chris perry? Im confused.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 29 May, 2009 Share Posted 29 May, 2009 Perry McMillan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 29 May, 2009 Share Posted 29 May, 2009 Not being on the same side of Hadrians wall as Southampton, I don't know who these people are. From the title I thought it was Chris Perry and SCW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docker-p Posted 29 May, 2009 Share Posted 29 May, 2009 Another pointless thread Ooooh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 30 May, 2009 Share Posted 30 May, 2009 who is clive...and are we talking about chris perry? Im confused.. Perry McMillan and Clive Foley I would suspect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 30 May, 2009 Share Posted 30 May, 2009 Perry McMillan and Clive Foley I would suspect. Clive was a good footballer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog Posted 30 May, 2009 Share Posted 30 May, 2009 Clive was a good footballer Leg end! Does he still play at the back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yellow&blue Posted 30 May, 2009 Share Posted 30 May, 2009 Exactly. Not even a shot of the amazing new Ikea!!! Although the stadium did look pretty good! This council has heaps to do to get this City back on the map! Don't knock it - we did see Millbrook Towers though. That's got to be worth something hasn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldskoolsi Posted 30 May, 2009 Share Posted 30 May, 2009 If I was mayor f Southampton the first thing I would do is raise the Titanic and stick it in the docks. That would attract the punters. That's maybe why im not mayor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ooohTerryHurlock Posted 30 May, 2009 Author Share Posted 30 May, 2009 (edited) Another pointless thread Ooooh Topical?? by the way have you found any of your vintage vt footage yet??? Edited 30 May, 2009 by ooohTerryHurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 30 May, 2009 Share Posted 30 May, 2009 Leg end! Does he still play at the back? Nawty, nawty, veeeery nawty! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghq Posted 30 May, 2009 Share Posted 30 May, 2009 Didnt the News At Ten make Southampton look bleak? I was in Southampton, August last year. Couldn't believe how sad the place looked. I can remember being taken shopping there after WW2. Above Bar,the place was literally a bomb site. It became, believe it or not, a clean modern city, for that period in time. Now it looks like downtown Pikeyville. And for all those of you that go on about cruise ships,it will never get back to the days of the 'Queens, the Castle boats, Southern Cross, Northern Star,Andes,Camito, Gulfito, Caronia, Ivernia, Saxonia and Mauritania and many other liners all sailing from a much busier port than nowadays. Southampton is not what it was and I only hope that things improve along with the fortunes of our football club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 30 May, 2009 Share Posted 30 May, 2009 I was in Southampton, August last year. Couldn't believe how sad the place looked. I can remember being taken shopping there after WW2. Above Bar,the place was literally a bomb site. It became, believe it or not, a clean modern city, for that period in time. Now it looks like downtown Pikeyville. And for all those of you that go on about cruise ships,it will never get back to the days of the 'Queens, the Castle boats, Southern Cross, Northern Star,Andes,Camito, Gulfito, Caronia, Ivernia, Saxonia and Mauritania and many other liners all sailing from a much busier port than nowadays. Southampton is not what it was and I only hope that things improve along with the fortunes of our football club.haviing a long period of politicians who were more worried about the situation of then extra set of traffic lights and not noticing P'mouth stealing away our commerce. I recall the transit system that was going to be done I was too young to know why it never came to pass. The inability to take advantage of the Titanic interest, something that could have brought many thousands of toursists to the city. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 30 May, 2009 Share Posted 30 May, 2009 I was in Southampton, August last year. Couldn't believe how sad the place looked. I can remember being taken shopping there after WW2. Above Bar,the place was literally a bomb site. It became, believe it or not, a clean modern city, for that period in time. Now it looks like downtown Pikeyville. And for all those of you that go on about cruise ships,it will never get back to the days of the 'Queens, the Castle boats, Southern Cross, Northern Star,Andes,Camito, Gulfito, Caronia, Ivernia, Saxonia and Mauritania and many other liners all sailing from a much busier port than nowadays. Southampton is not what it was and I only hope that things improve along with the fortunes of our football club. It is hard to make comparisons between the liners of today and yesteryear. For one thing, it would have been forecasted that the liner trade would have been killed off by air travel and yet here it is actually growing from a decade or two ago. So we'll never get back to the days of the Queens, eh? Well, until a few months ago, there were actually three Cunard Queens in service from Southampton and although the QE2 has now gone, there will soon be another QE to replace her. But apart from the Cunarders, there are many other liners who use Southampton as their home port and all of these ships are much bigger than those you mentioned above. Apparently, there has recently been a record number of passengers using the port, around about 1 million people in one year.According to this site, the port has never been busier. http://www.discoversouthampton.co.uk/sections/History%20of%20the%20Port.aspx Happy to correct your misapprehension about the port. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lee_saint Posted 30 May, 2009 Share Posted 30 May, 2009 If I was mayor f Southampton the first thing I would do is raise the Titanic and stick it in the docks. That would attract the punters. That's maybe why im not mayor. The Mayor has no say really in what goes on! So maybe you would suit being in that position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docker-p Posted 30 May, 2009 Share Posted 30 May, 2009 Topical?? by the way have you found any of your vintage vt footage yet??? Not yet. I'm going to continue my search at the car boot sale in Bursledon tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Block 18 Posted 30 May, 2009 Share Posted 30 May, 2009 Why oh why are a lot of you so happy to keep on knocking Southampton. I come from South London originaly, I married a Southampton girl and have lived here for over thirty years now I could never go back to live in London. To me it is one of the best cities in the country. Yes it is not without its problems, no city is. But with the fantastic diversity of cultures, the potential for regeneration (Woolston) this place is and deserves to be the best place to live in Britian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crouchi Posted 30 May, 2009 Share Posted 30 May, 2009 Sadly, if you have been away for some time and come back, the deterioration is more noticeable. The impact of West Quay on Above Bar looks a planning disaster. If it gets any worse we'll be fighting our way through tumbleweeds to get to SMS. At least the stadium looks like being saved. They'll just have to start working on the rest of the city as part of the 'new dawn'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 30 May, 2009 Share Posted 30 May, 2009 Exactly. Not even a shot of the amazing new Ikea!!! Although the stadium did look pretty good! This council has heaps to do to get this City back on the map! Which is why it should start by supporting the new owners and exploiting the feel good factor of the rebuild of The Saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLOTH EARS Posted 30 May, 2009 Share Posted 30 May, 2009 I have to say that the people who run Southampton should be ashamed, they have no imagination and no vision!!! When you come in from the west of the city all you see is a council estate on the left an industrial estate on the right, then you get to smell the wonderful Millbrook sewage works and then you get to see the wonderful stacks of containers in the western docks! When you reach the city centre you get to see all of these wonderful office blocks, some of them are big and ugly, some of them are small and ugly but most of them have 'offices to let' signs all over them. The city is poorly laid out, its a mish mash of a city. The city with its maritime history and Ocean liners should be building its image around this. I personally would like to see the docks (from opposite St Marys stadium right through to Millbrook) transformed into hotels restaurants, marinas with some sort of waterside 'Alton Towers' with a few retired Ocean liners used as museams/resteraunts/hotels. Why not bring the 1st Queen Mary home? Maybe the rebirth of the Football Club can kick start the city and start to make people realise what a great city this 'could' be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 30 May, 2009 Share Posted 30 May, 2009 Comrad perry would prefer Southampton to be more like Russia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted 30 May, 2009 Share Posted 30 May, 2009 Comrad perry would prefer Southampton to be more like Russia Not sure about that...I think you mean the Soviet Union. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW11_Saint Posted 30 May, 2009 Share Posted 30 May, 2009 Leg end! Does he still play at the back? Not to mention the old "Monster Coach" to away games... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW11_Saint Posted 30 May, 2009 Share Posted 30 May, 2009 I have to say that the people who run Southampton should be ashamed, they have no imagination and no vision!!! When you come in from the west of the city all you see is a council estate on the left an industrial estate on the right, then you get to smell the wonderful Millbrook sewage works and then you get to see the wonderful stacks of containers in the western docks! When you reach the city centre you get to see all of these wonderful office blocks, some of them are big and ugly, some of them are small and ugly but most of them have 'offices to let' signs all over them. The city is poorly laid out, its a mish mash of a city. The city with its maritime history and Ocean liners should be building its image around this. I personally would like to see the docks (from opposite St Marys stadium right through to Millbrook) transformed into hotels restaurants, marinas with some sort of waterside 'Alton Towers' with a few retired Ocean liners used as museams/resteraunts/hotels. Why not bring the 1st Queen Mary home? Maybe the rebirth of the Football Club can kick start the city and start to make people realise what a great city this 'could' be. Discussed to some extent on here... http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=13386 Don't forget the Docks and the container port is the backbone of the City (from a commerce perspective), so I think it's great to see them - but agree, they could do more around our history/heritage. I think we have enough shopping centres now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 30 May, 2009 Share Posted 30 May, 2009 Not to mention the old "Monster Coach" to away games... Fun, fun, fun, all the way there and back ims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW11_Saint Posted 30 May, 2009 Share Posted 30 May, 2009 Fun, fun, fun, all the way there and back ims. ...and always a 'social visit' from HM Police Force on the way up (and back normally!). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ooohTerryHurlock Posted 30 May, 2009 Author Share Posted 30 May, 2009 Not yet. I'm going to continue my search at the car boot sale in Bursledon tomorrow. Have you spoken to the club historian? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 30 May, 2009 Share Posted 30 May, 2009 ...and always a 'social visit' from HM Police Force on the way up (and back normally!). would never get to a game with todays H&S rules, 56 seater coach , number of passengers unknown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 30 May, 2009 Share Posted 30 May, 2009 would never get to a game with todays H&S rules' date=' 56 seater coach , number of passengers unknown[/quote'] People sleeping in the luggage racks, beer freely flowing, various nefarious activities (allegedly). Great days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 30 May, 2009 Share Posted 30 May, 2009 haviing a long period of politicians who were more worried about the situation of then extra set of traffic lights and not noticing P'mouth stealing away our commerce. I recall the transit system that was going to be done I was too young to know why it never came to pass. The inability to take advantage of the Titanic interest, something that could have brought many thousands of toursists to the city. That was in the 80s Nick and was shot down, shortsightedly in my view, for aesthetic reasons. Yet no-one says this about the DLR in London Docklands which is similar to what was being proposed and Southampton's pathetic infrastructure continues to hold up motorists that dare to pass it on the M27 and God forbid if you enter when Northam Bridge has another set of "alleged" water or gas repairs on. The Bellway regeneration in St Mary's St itself was a farce and the City Centre looks very grey and neglected. I would bring in a ferry system operating from Town Quay to areas around Soton water similar to the one I saw in Sydney operating from Circular Quay to get local people out of their cars. I would fully regenerate Ocean Village and put some high quality tall buildings in from commerce to give the waterfront some profile and residential development down there now ought to be at least 500-800 ft tall to make best use of the space. Woolston could become more of a speciality place with perhaps some inducements to bring high quality employers in to replace the shelved SEEDA plans. With the HLF-funded project at Civic Centre for 2012, perhaps it won't just be SFC with better times ahead after some grim years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ooohTerryHurlock Posted 30 May, 2009 Author Share Posted 30 May, 2009 That was in the 80s Nick and was shot down, shortsightedly in my view, for aesthetic reasons. Yet no-one says this about the DLR in London Docklands which is similar to what was being proposed and Southampton's pathetic infrastructure continues to hold up motorists that dare to pass it on the M27 and God forbid if you enter when Northam Bridge has another set of "alleged" water or gas repairs on. The Bellway regeneration in St Mary's St itself was a farce and the City Centre looks very grey and neglected. I would bring in a ferry system operating from Town Quay to areas around Soton water similar to the one I saw in Sydney operating from Circular Quay to get local people out of their cars. I would fully regenerate Ocean Village and put some high quality tall buildings in from commerce to give the waterfront some profile and residential development down there now ought to be at least 500-800 ft tall to make best use of the space. Woolston could become more of a speciality place with perhaps some inducements to bring high quality employers in to replace the shelved SEEDA plans. With the HLF-funded project at Civic Centre for 2012, perhaps it won't just be SFC with better times ahead after some grim years. Very good idea.... Love Sydney Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 30 May, 2009 Share Posted 30 May, 2009 Why oh why are a lot of you so happy to keep on knocking Southampton. I come from South London originaly, I married a Southampton girl and have lived here for over thirty years now I could never go back to live in London. To me it is one of the best cities in the country. Yes it is not without its problems, no city is. But with the fantastic diversity of cultures, the potential for regeneration (Woolston) this place is and deserves to be the best place to live in Britian. The problem has been that there has been no grand planning strategy because all councils since the war have (and continue to do so) lack creative vision. What a waste of opportunities have been squandered along the waterfront, for example. What a mess it is now. It is that basic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 30 May, 2009 Share Posted 30 May, 2009 Anyway, good to know that now we have sorted Saints we are going to sort out the town. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghq Posted 31 May, 2009 Share Posted 31 May, 2009 It is hard to make comparisons between the liners of today and yesteryear. For one thing, it would have been forecasted that the liner trade would have been killed off by air travel and yet here it is actually growing from a decade or two ago. So we'll never get back to the days of the Queens, eh? Well, until a few months ago, there were actually three Cunard Queens in service from Southampton and although the QE2 has now gone, there will soon be another QE to replace her. But apart from the Cunarders, there are many other liners who use Southampton as their home port and all of these ships are much bigger than those you mentioned above. Apparently, there has recently been a record number of passengers using the port, around about 1 million people in one year.According to this site, the port has never been busier. http://www.discoversouthampton.co.uk/sections/History%20of%20the%20Port.aspx Happy to correct your misapprehension about the port. Thanks for the information. Perhaps I didn't make my point of view very well. I would be very surprised if the total amount of shipping movements in the port of Southampton is any where near what it was in the sixties. That is the case in most ports around the world. The reason being that vessels nowadays carry much more,both passengers and cargo,.. than they did then. The port was generally full in those days and obviously had no container port situated at the back end of nowhere, as it has now. So although you may be correct in your observation, I'm resonably confident that my original point is a fair reflection of Southampton in general. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
so22saint Posted 31 May, 2009 Share Posted 31 May, 2009 Very good idea.... Love Sydney Agreed, like Sydney and San Francisco, the water should be made a feature of the city. From leisure world (and what a hideous lump of tin that is when the Skates were planning Gunwharf) to town key the water access should be opened up with a walk / cycle way with businesses incentivised to open up along it. I agree Soton isn't South London, and it's not Totton where I grew up (which is another, similar, tale of woe) but it really does look tired once you walk out of the shopping malls. Talking of which I went into East Street last year for the first time since the 80s - nice of Southampton to have an entire mall that caters for emos and goths It all went down hill when the council demolished a bit of the bar gate for traffic.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 31 May, 2009 Share Posted 31 May, 2009 Thanks for the information. Perhaps I didn't make my point of view very well. I would be very surprised if the total amount of shipping movements in the port of Southampton is any where near what it was in the sixties. That is the case in most ports around the world. The reason being that vessels nowadays carry much more,both passengers and cargo,.. than they did then. The port was generally full in those days and obviously had no container port situated at the back end of nowhere, as it has now. So although you may be correct in your observation, I'm resonably confident that my original point is a fair reflection of Southampton in general. Fair comment to talk of shipping movements, rather than actual volume. From that POV you are probably correct. But the number of passengers passing through the port is probably greater and they are the ones who bring revenue to the City if they can be encouraged to stay awhile and spend in the hotels, restaurants and shops. They are probably one reason that we have a 5 star hotel in the city and also a Hilton. The larger number of ships entering the port probably meant a larger number of dock workers, but the trend towards the bigger ships, containers and huge cranes has meant that numbers of workers has declined in the same way that mechanisation has reduced worker numbers on car assembly lines and employees behind bank counters. I wonder also whether your perception of the City is somewhat clouded by the environment that you live in in Western Oz? If you live in either Perth or Freemantle, then from what I can see, both are modern cities with tall skyscaper buildings in their city centre. I know from travelling to places in the USA, Canada and the Far East, that most have modern city centres with skyscrapers, so that even London with its titchy Canary Wharf looks somehow dated and of another era, which is of course its charm to those visiting it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 31 May, 2009 Share Posted 31 May, 2009 That was in the 80s Nick and was shot down, shortsightedly in my view, for aesthetic reasons. Yet no-one says this about the DLR in London Docklands which is similar to what was being proposed and Southampton's pathetic infrastructure continues to hold up motorists that dare to pass it on the M27 and God forbid if you enter when Northam Bridge has another set of "alleged" water or gas repairs on. The Bellway regeneration in St Mary's St itself was a farce and the City Centre looks very grey and neglected. I would bring in a ferry system operating from Town Quay to areas around Soton water similar to the one I saw in Sydney operating from Circular Quay to get local people out of their cars. I would fully regenerate Ocean Village and put some high quality tall buildings in from commerce to give the waterfront some profile and residential development down there now ought to be at least 500-800 ft tall to make best use of the space. Woolston could become more of a speciality place with perhaps some inducements to bring high quality employers in to replace the shelved SEEDA plans. With the HLF-funded project at Civic Centre for 2012, perhaps it won't just be SFC with better times ahead after some grim years.You should be taken on as a consultant for the cities development Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 31 May, 2009 Share Posted 31 May, 2009 You should be taken on as a consultant for the cities development Trouble is Nick, there have been may decent ideas over the years to regenerate the city. Feasibility studies by the score, which has cost the local taxpayer millions. Usually these have fallen by the wayside, either scrapped completely or scaled down to such an extent that they bare no resemblance to the original plans (Woolston Waterside, likely to go the same way). The various councils throughout those years (and all the parties have been responsible) have taken the easy option, which has left the mish-mash of town houses and apartments Southampton has today. Still no focal point, still no plaza, still no ice rink, still no indoor arena, still no heritage centre and still no wow factor. Frankly, P*rtsm*uth (and it really hurts to say it) saw where we were going, saw their opportunity and basically trumped us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 31 May, 2009 Share Posted 31 May, 2009 Is saint1977 salz? Or Green? Something to do with them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 31 May, 2009 Share Posted 31 May, 2009 Along with Chorley, in my experience, three ignorant, loud mouths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 31 May, 2009 Share Posted 31 May, 2009 Is saint1977 salz? Or Green? Something to do with them Wish I was Hypo! No, I'm a Southampton guy born and bred, my grandfather moved the family to the area after a life in the military at the Queen Victoria Military Hospital - I live on Hayling as this is where my girlfriend (now wife) moved to - who has seen a lot of piecemeal development that hasn't gone anywhere and looked tired very quickly. My current job does have elements of planning, strategy, funding and project management to it so possibly I bring some of that into my postings. I've been lucky enough to travel both around the UK for my job and compare how things are done and also I've done a lot of world travel including Australia and New Zealand this year, hence I was off this site for a bit. I just looked at what had been achieved in Sydney and Auckland which are admittedly far bigger cities than us - but don't laugh - I could see elements of Port Jackson (Sydney) in Southampton Water and we are so lucky to have as much waterfront potential as we do and it isn't being used. 1 in 3 people in Auckland have access to a boat and 1 in 5 own a boat - home of Ocean sailing? Imagine getting a modern ferry to work in the current weather as opposed to being stuck at M27 J8? Southampton Water wouldn't get too choppy in the winter either with the double tides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano6 Posted 31 May, 2009 Share Posted 31 May, 2009 Didnt the News At Ten make Southampton look bleak? Southampton makes Southampton look bleak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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