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Should the remain campaign be prosecuted for their lies as well?

Watched it last night, he comes across as being guilty to me. Too many dodgy answers to the questions he was given, considering he is already inside facing life - if he was innocent there would be no reason lie or give vague answers in that situation. Circumstantial evidence is still evidence - without seeing all of it presented in context you cannot draw any conclusions so a TV show showing some is a bit pointless.

Given that the effects of mass immigration are mostly felt by the low paid it is not exactly surprising what the stats show. The idea that you can class Brexit voters as rich or poor, educated or thick is just nonsense - it's a few percent either way - and that's from polls probably carried out by the people who always get it wrong. The reason I sided with leave was nothing to do with the likes of Goldman Sachs - Purely the effects of mass uncontrolled immigration. Wages being depressed, services over stretched and the housing crisis. I was just glad people ignored the scare stories from the so called big business leaders because their concerns were purely selfish.

What a load of old cock. Generalise all Brexit voters as poor and eneducated, then conclude that all poor and uneducated will be worse off than rich educated after we leave. Yeah genius that. Just some Uni lecturer who is so detached from reality that he is struggling to understand why people voted out.

From what I remember of Uni I expect most rich foreign students will do **** all part time work while they are studying. Of course not all will go on to be high-earners but i would rather have highly educated immigrants than people who turn up in the hope of picking some cabbages.

I'm not sure foreign students pouring money into our education system, then staying on to do high qualified work is much of an issue though.

If we apply the same restriction on EU immigrants as we do non EU then 75% wouldn't get in.

Except this government was elected on the promise of a refurendum.

Those plebs see that as a better alternative to what they have at the moment. Might want to ask them why and you may understand why they voted leave.

I'm trying to think of one good reason why the next manager has to be English.

Decent result considering the team we put out. Makes you wish we had invested in a better squad during the summer.

Yeah that's how democracy works, how it has always worked, those that give a **** either way vote, those that don't care either way don't bother. Not sure what your point is.

To be honest your tone of voice is one of the angriest on here. A bit pathetic trying to link the actions of a few idiots to the people who voted Brexit - which is the majority of people in your country. Maybe if you had the intelligence to empathise with your countryfolk and understand why they voted out you wouldn't be quite so angry.

Good, **** manager. I just hope they hire the next guy because they are the best person available, not just because they are ****ing English.

If Labour offered a decent alternative UKIP wouldn't have to win one seat to be a threat, just have to take enough of the Tory vote. Corbyn means that won't happen though. But fact is at the next Election Labour can play the back in EU card wheras the Tories have to keep the right happy.

Agree, but I think either a Brexit Lite, or a Full on Brexit resulting in a bad effect on the economy would see swathes of middle England turning to a pro EU labour - if it was centre left with a decent leader.

True, but I think the Tories have got themselves in a tricky position. If May pussies out and goes for some sort of soft Brexit they will get a kicking. They have to somehow make a hard exit work to keep their right wingers from turning to UKIP.

Apart from the PM, Chancelor and Brexit Boris all jumping ship days after the result. They didn't appear to have any sort of plan for Brexit, and still don't IMO.

A Lab/lib merger would be the only alternative. Just creating another Labour Party would just split the vote and be an even bigger gift to the Tories. Unfortunately I think the best move would be just to let him get on with it and hope he stands down after the next general election defeat. The whole thing is so frustrating, the Tories have made a right mess with this Brexit thing and I can't see an easy way out for May, a decent Labour would wipe the floor with them at the next election IMO.

This protracted leadership contest just illustrates how unelectable Labour are at the moment. Exactly how long does the simple task of picking a leader take? I despise the Tories but at least they just got the job done. Pick a few electable candidates, it becomes obvious who will win so the others drop out. Labour are doing all this ****ing around when everyone knows who will win. And after the whole sorry saga they will end up with someone the rest of the MPs hate. How can you trust a party to run a country when they can't even get something this simple right. Hopefully it will result in the death of Labour and we get a new centre left party devoid of all the ******** and without the ties to the unions.

Confidence seems remarkably high considering we will soon set the wheels in motion though. Wasn't there supposed to be some sort crisis in confidence or something? Emergency budget, world war 3, house prices through the floor?

If we use the same criteria for EU as we do currently for the ROTW most of the people coming in from Poland etc wouldn't get in.

You said it's as easy to come here from the rest of the world as the EU which is clearly ******. You can just turn up from Africa with your kids and get a cleaners job. Most non EU migration is just students anyway.

That's nonsense, Three-quarters of EU citizens working in the UK would not meet the current visa requirements for non-EU workers.

You could stop every single non EU immigrant but we still wouldn't know if net migration is 100,000 or 500,000. If is completely out of control so the government has no reason to stop doctors and nurses coming in from Asia. Plus, there are only so many controls you can realistically put on immigration. Some control is better than none.