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Happy Birthday Matt Only the very greatest have Birthdays at this time of year

Move. HTH

Oh Christ. ONLY 10 weeks to Christmas? FFS

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Clearly their brief flirtation with Middle Eastern Businessmen left a lasting impression. Ah yes the wages, no problem, insh'allah everything will be alright, we pay you on time here is piece of paper see we have said we pay you, take this to bank, no problem they lend you money this good paper

this. The article in the Telegraph shows that the idiots will not go quietly into the dark night. While the injunction may well be overturned and may well prove to be hot air bluster and Old School Tie tactics, the damage to the club continues. Liverpool are the first to go down this messy route, many articles today FINALLY starting to give detail to all thise fears that many on here have voiced for so long about Football Finance and Debt. Time is drawing in, and lessons need to be learnt from the NFL and the FIFA/UEFA no debt type rules need to be taken seriously Personally - I haven't bothered to watch a single PL game this season and don't even look at the table anymore. What I did watch last year was in the main rubbish in not full stadiums by players I had never heard of.

Oh, I shouldn't... Are they wearing those sponsored suits because it is a bit Chile when the get to the top of the shaft?

They're fine Apart from Pneumonia, Silicosis, Diabetes, Hypertension and "Weakness" But yes the UK media had sod all else to speculate about so they resort to the same old BS speculation. Only a few more hours to go and the World can uncross it's fingers and breathe again

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/8062845/Liverpool-takeover-Tom-Hicks-seeks-to-derail-NESV-bid-with-Texas-court-injunction.html Now if you read the Injunction, something Fishy has been going on... Offers over that from NESV, not returning phone calls... Ooh this could run as long as the Skate thread $1.6 BILLION in damages. Nice work if you can get it

Here's a different way to look at it. To get to the Very top in the UK it HELPS to have gone to Eton/Windsor/Oxbridge. That is Elitist and let's face it class based as most of us normal types cannot afford those schools. Successive Governments (and me) do not like that, but they cannot break it. Instead they cover it up by making Uni's for all so nobody really notices. Didn't say one has to start again, FFS I was going to be an Environmental Scientist, probably focused in Urban planning and I became an unworthy salesman instead after some time in a Bank. But it is the last point you make. To put it into a "Socialist" mantra, somebody needs to sit down with ALL stakeholders and ask "What does the WHOLE of our society NEED from our Universities". Then we will end up with something closer to the German System and maybe we'll make enough money to pay for Education for all.

With you on that, hence my point that "With things as they were" we were better to have sacked AP. "With things as they were" we should have sacked him sooner. "With things as they now are in the club" we will do better with Adkins. When a relationship breaks down, therapy can help. If Therapy isn't available or one side doesn't see the need, then the relationship is fatally flawed. Would we do better "IF" "Things had not been as they were" under AP - I actually do not believe so. Yes I accept the Rovers result, but I would riposte with the "Wycombe & Stockport" results and performances. Sure we will have bad days under NA, and worry about the "Style" in bad conditions. But I do wonder whether AP had a "mini" Lowe side in him where he was the expereinced one and he was always right and would do it his way, rather than assess external factors and THEN do it his way after taking them into account. We'll never know. But one thing - somebody had to go, and it wasn't going to be Liebherr's & Cortese at that point in time

Hehehe http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/PNMV95J A Twitter survey to see who we should send down to take their place

The strange thing is, we as fans all recognised that we needed cover (or better) in Central Midfield. It was a constant theme of many many posts. Chaplow's arrival (even in the short term) seems to have shown our instincts to be true. So, if WE could see it, why during the 16-20 weeks since the end of last season did the previous regime NOT take action. You can argue they did not find anyone suitable, but it just seems "strange" Was it Politics or was it ineptitude/complacency?

Irresepctive of the style of the team and injuries to key players, I do NOT think we would have gained promotion this season if AP had stayed (longer). It is only IMHO, but there was something clearly "Not Right". There were the strange appearances of new posters with ITK'esque rants and there was a great deal of focus back onto Politics rather than the football. Something was rotten in the State of Denmark. Sooner (as happened) or later it would have exploded. So, now with the new broom the team appear to be re-united, the football is (finally) after MANY years showing signs that it is of a style that we feel is what we want to see, and after the unease of the close season we are "feeling easier" about life. Have the problems been solved or just coped with? Probably just coped with. Footballing wise? AP was the manager he had my faith. Adkins is now the manager he has my faith. But I think the new style and shape is better suited to this league and so even on pure footballing grounds, I think we have a better chance now

More towards the point I was making (which Verbal slightly hijacked into a Political angle) Supply & Demand. Industry creates the money that pays for the Public Sector. So, using the "Graduates taking top jobs at such as The BBC etc" of course breadth of "training" is important, but who provides PUBLIC Funds? Wealth creators of course. So, the PROBLEM with Uni education is that it is trying to be all things to all people. A philosophy degree is given a "higher importance" than (for example as shown y some of the replies on here - a Degree in Psychology, Human Behaviour and NLP aimed at producing SalesPeople. This is done by an Education system that is inherently designed to self perpetuate. There is nothing inherently WRONG about "research or knowledge seeking or esoteric" degree courses. BUT those courses MUST be balanced by providing courses that also create graduates that are READY to start work to create more wealth to pay the taxes that the Public Sector needs in order to pay "The Thinkers" That is NOT a party political position, it is a realism position. A History graduate will spen 3 years learning. To then become a "successful lawyer" they will have to start again running through a long set of legal training, possibly 6 to 9 years. History degree has prepared him for that, BUT it will be a long road before he (she) can be earning the big bucks and paying the big taxes to help subsidise Education for those that follow. The Polytechnics were not "of the right class" for the Education System. They were looked down upon, and YET, they were designed to include Vocational training and to give WORK experience so graduates could move straight into employment rather than McDonalds. They did not "further the search for knowledge" The Apprenticeship schemes were disolved. Both related issues that means that the supply of Graduates who are ready to add value to a highly taxed BUSINESS was reduced. British Industry has long worked with Uni's and has long found good people from them - again, the elite 10% almost. Yet the MAJORITY of business and the MAJORITY of graduates find themselves not ready for each other the day after graduation. THAT is the crime, that is where the need for fees to cover exploding costs comes from. Courses must be designed to create The Thinkers AND The future Workers / Managers QUICKER. A Chemistry Graduate should not have to spend their first year in employment pushing buttons on a machine while he (she) learns to exist within a "Corporate Environment" did their course include even a DAY on how a Business is structured? How to compose a Corporate EMail? Nope. Law Degrees are possibly the closest to the perfect example of Uni's creating the RIGHT Graduates, but (to quote Ann Robinson in Weakest Link once) just how many jobs are there every year in "The Media" for the thousands that take a "Media Studies" Degree? BALANCE is wrong in Education, because Education is a far more "Class Based" system than society. Work in The Wealth Creating Sector is Bad, become an Educator is Good is the mantra. Well, that is what you now have and now it has to be paid for. (Oh and how many Uni's in UK create Golfers? Footballers (hahahaha)? Compare that to the number of European Golfers who had to go to the US system and now earn millions a year which could be paid in taxes here rather than over there - it was a relevant dig.)

Oi! Where is your permit for coming on here and typing sensible posts? feck off back to your own forum if you wish to do that or show us your permit! It takes YEARS of bo11ox to be granted "Sensible" status. Get up to around 7,500 posts and we can accept what you typed - for now........

Meanwhile. God speed and good luck to them

Chill, they still lost

Giving (the)

Yes. TOTALLY. However, The British Education System is designed to do exactly this. IF 90% of all graduates are produced to "Further Knowledge", who pays for them to do that? is it fair that the remaining 10% are taxed up to their eyebrows to give those Furtherers "Research Jobs" for Life and full salary pensions at the end? No of course not. Balance is needed and that is what is missing We need GOOD Researchers, not LOTS of them

Degrees Are you an Artist or a "Producer"? Will you add value to the economy or take money out of it? Why do so many kids Art related Degrees and find they cannot get work? The answer is simply that in the REAL world, there are no jobs for Philosphers. Indusrty makes money and pays wages and taxes that pays for Philosophers to work out what it means. IF Uni's make too many Philo's, nobody makes enough money to pay for them. Uni's need to teach subjects that EARN MONEY when you Graduate. Lawyers make more money than struggling Artists, not just cash wise but in terms of taxes. Artists want grants - who gives the money to Gov to do that - Taxpayers. So teach Uni kids the skills Industry needs. How many Uni's teach "The Science of Selling"? (or how to be an Insolvency Practioner like AA and make a fortune being a ****) - VERY few. But hell, I could find thousands of Media Studies graduates or TV Film Editors if I wanted to. Rant over, back to beer. Hey Did I mention I shot a net 10 under Par 62 today in a Golf Tournament?

Tuition Fees. Unfortunately, the reality is - that was what Parents were invented for. Thank God the last of my my 3 finshed 18 months ago. Any parent who doesn't try and help no matter what it does to their savings - well sorry, they read the manual wrong. I couldn't afford it then and now, after being cleaned out in a Divorce I wish I had it back. BUT, I know I left something behind as a legacy, they all did well. and I won't feel so guilty when I need their help in 15 years or so. Sure at the time I earnt more than a factory worker at Ford, and I do NOT think that kids from "the wrong side of the tracks should be barred from bettering themselves IF they have the ability by a lack of finance. But, Parents have a responsibilty no matter how much it hurts and should help out as much as they can, AND as with me, it SHOULD hurt

What did you expect - Ferdinand is playing

And while we are on the subject, I believe that all Home Supporters should be banned from having a post beer Curry OR dinner with Garlic in it on a Friday night before match day. Let's face it, we have economy class seating (unlike The Emirates), and so we are squashed in like the proverbial Sardine. It simply is not polite to sit there stinking of Garlic. We are ENGLISH LEAGUE ONE FANS, we are NOT fecking FRENCH. Enough with the stink please people

Our drinking buddy in Salisbury got all this done while the grants existed and is having it installed in the next week or so. Will find out how it goes