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And if every game was like Liverpool v Milan we wouldn't appreciate the ones that are.

And that's all that matters, the neutrals watching on telly are happy, forget the Chelsea fans, forget getting to the champions league final, forget your reputation as a manager as long as some bloke watching his widescreen with a cup of tea and crumpets is happy that's all that matters.

I've got as much chance of getting the job as MP.

It was a cock up, they had me down as working for my former employer and current one, they never got a P45 from the old one apparently which I left in July so assumed I had two jobs with a combined income from both. Going to amend the tax code and will get the overpayment back next month, thanks for help everyone.

Unless you're sniffing a couple of grams during a game it really isn't.

Pretty impressive backtracking even by this forums standards. 5.25, Shaw and Schniderlin both turned down champions league clubs to stay with us. 6.48 same posters admits he's guessing Shaw did and Schniderlin didn't even speak to arsenal

Funny isn't it. Early in the season people were moaning that we didn't score from open play and we only scored from dead balls or penalties, now people are moaning that we dont score from them. You can please some of the people some of the time all of the people some of the time some of the people all of the time but you can never please all of the people all of the time.”

So that table is irrelevant yet this one wasn't? http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?47356-Rolling-Premier-League-table#.U1YXIZm9LCQp

There is a saying in business 'under promise over deliver' we've had many clubs claiming they were aiming for the champions league and ended up being relegated and struggling in the leagues below. Our glorious ex CEO would love to run his mouth off about what we were going to do and everyone lauded his ambition and drive because he told them what they wanted to hear, but ultimately didn't or wasn't allowed to stick around to see it through. The fact of the matter was though that he could say what he wanted, it wasn't his money to be ambitious with and that's why he isn't here any more. Some people were taken in by it all, they dreamed and Franco likes to put it, others with a more realistic approach and questioned how these dreams were to be made reality were called negative, trolls and WUMs who hated the chairman. The main person who was key to all this is still here, Katrina Liebherr, she ultimately will agree how much ambition is real and how much is talk. The loss of one pint sized man and his built up shoes and ego doesn't change that.

Thanks 42

and a refund hopefully

I do neither!

Well neither of those! Still got the coding notice, it's the -£17111 rate band adjustment that worries me, not sure where that has come from. Cheers though, guess i'll call them in the morning

No, I did a tax return and got £54 back (Whoop!). Also i get a car allowance not a company car. Nothing has changed.

Got my new tax code through and it's changed to a K230 number which means this month according to my pay slip i wil pay over double a month more in tax than in March despite my circumstances not changing at all. Any ideas as to why? According to their calcualations i have a tax band adjustment of -£16737 a benifit of £374 leaving a total of -£17111, with -£2311 tax due which has been turned into this code. Is this a cock up or am i missing something?

Did you condemn her and have to sell your home garden grown carrots before you could buy anything else?

We all know what'll happen and that's he'll be rumoured to move all summer, nothing will happen and he'll end up on loan again.

Hang on a minute, it was your assessment, not mine, it was your criticism of cork not mine. you're the one trotting out points per game with both and suggesting we get twice as many points with Wanyama in the team and not cork, so you're the one being overly simplistic. To quote you ' "Can it be coincidence we gain twice as many points as when playing with an inferior player in a key position" "Its about results" The points and matches you quote are 16 and 18 games so almost half a season, Using your assessment and points per game Cork in the team over the season gives us 33 points and relegation Wanyama in instead gives us 68 and a good chance of top 6 Your figures pal, "it's about results" as you said. cork was here last season, Wanyama wasn't, last season prediction of 6th with last seasons squad is yet again exposed as bullsh*t.

So you're basically saying when cork plays we're a team that would struggle to stay up, when Wanyama plays he turns us into one that would finish in the top 6. So much for your brash 6th placed finish with last seasons squad claims last year.

There are so many! Saint Andy 666 it must be great to know absolutely everything. Dubai Phil - lives the dream BTF - the queen of whatifery Dalek - comedy genius To name but a few

Fair enough. I think he's got potential and playing confidently in a decent side he could shine. I'd certainly rather spend our money on a player like him than an Osvaldo type.

Not really odd though is it. I also haven't said he's guaranteed to improve. I've said you're writing a 21 year old player off for not doing as well over a long period as Linekar, Cole and Van nistelroy,three of the best strikers of their era playing for top clubs, when he's only played 11 times in the premier league this season in a team that has struggled. Hardly a fair comparison is it.

He's 21 FFS! Done it at u21 and championship level. He scored 3 in 11 appearances this season for Sunderland, a team who have been bottom 3 for much of the season which isn't bad. Linekar didn't start playing top flight football regularly until he's 23. I'm not saying he'll be as good as linekar but You're prepared to write off a young kid for not doing it regularly before he's out of nappies in football terms.

Got to be there to finish them and finding space in the penalty area against those sort of teams isn't easy. Gary linekar made a career out of scoring taps a league two player could finish, yet he's widely regard as one of the best strikers or his era.