ruddick Posted 8 August, 2009 Share Posted 8 August, 2009 Great to hear MLT was at the game, cheering us on and got a gr8 response from the crowd I hear which is good! He did an interview for Soccer Saturday b4 the game and was asked about Pinnacle - he said there was obviously this problem with the league but he moved on very quickly and said but of course the as we went into exclusivity I realised the funds weren't there. Interesting - we all know the Pinnacle thing delayed us and delayed new admin's pre-season and that any problems were not MLTs but I think it keeps open the question of when the non-fund problem was realised by the guys involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ruddick Posted 8 August, 2009 Author Share Posted 8 August, 2009 Point taken - old issue, not important now - I agree! Ignore idiot in the corner who keeps harping back to P*****le! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 8 August, 2009 Share Posted 8 August, 2009 .......lol I thought it was good MLT was there and good to see he got a decent reception Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_saints Posted 8 August, 2009 Share Posted 8 August, 2009 MLT would never get a bad reception from me at St Marys. I'd probably still want to marry him if he murdered Liebherr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruddick Posted 8 August, 2009 Author Share Posted 8 August, 2009 MLT would never get a bad reception from me at St Marys. I'd probably still want to marry him if he murdered Liebherr. Certainly! Mind you on that - is that scarf now sewn on to Liebherr?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 8 August, 2009 Share Posted 8 August, 2009 maybe liebherr would leave us the money is his Will anyway? as for the scarf, think he needs it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 8 August, 2009 Share Posted 8 August, 2009 If there was any reason to doubt his legendary status amongst the fans I think it was dispelled today. When he walked around the touchline I think the whole ground stopped watching the game to follow MLT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yellow&blue Posted 8 August, 2009 Share Posted 8 August, 2009 Yes I saw that, it brought a tear to my eye! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick1976.4.38 Posted 8 August, 2009 Share Posted 8 August, 2009 mlt=legend,end of Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruddick Posted 8 August, 2009 Author Share Posted 8 August, 2009 mlt=legend,end of Er ... never in discussion. The point was that he highlighted again the fact Pinnacle failed due to no money and that it became clear through exclusivity which raises questions as to why the people involved kept the facade going - (MLT excluded and absolved as he clearly was kept out of the know to avoid him asking questions) That is all - but as I said earlier prob a stupid question as we shan't know now - maybe ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 8 August, 2009 Share Posted 8 August, 2009 Er ... never in discussion. The point was that he highlighted again the fact Pinnacle failed due to no money and that it became clear through exclusivity which raises questions as to why the people involved kept the facade going - (MLT excluded and absolved as he clearly was kept out of the know to avoid him asking questions) That is all - but as I said earlier prob a stupid question as we shan't know now - maybe ever. I don't really want to keep this historical thread running, but as I understood it, once Fry had given Pinnacle exclusivity (having been duped into thinking the money was forthcoming) his Hobson's choice gave him no alternative but to play for time in the hope that other interested parties would return, which they did - eventually. He did reiterate that we nearly folded. Crouch's money on behalf of Pinnacle was paying wages for a while only. One day, perhaps, Duncan may have the facts for his next book. Thank goodness Nicola and Marcus did not give up waiting. It must have been a close run thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisobee Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 Whatever has gone has gone, very noticeable Matt always refered to Saints as "us" and "we" during his analysis on Sky. This is still his club as much as any supporter, the main difference being we put our money into it, he put his whole footballing career into it. Was very pleased to see the reception he got though in spite of a few nasty comments on here I saw no reason to expect otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_saints Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 I loved the way how he really seemed to just love the reception he got. What a grin on his face when he walked past the Northam, and then all the handshakes and high fives in the Kingsland was awesome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 I loved the way how he really seemed to just love the reception he got. What a grin on his face when he walked past the Northam, and then all the handshakes and high fives in the Kingsland was awesome! Matt is one of the most respected men in football. There were even Millwall fans clamouring to shake his hand as he walked past. I've not seen that before from them, which is a nice little aside from the thread about the violence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulwantsapint Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 Was Matt late leaving to get to his seat or was it that he was mobbed on his way delaying his arrival thought he got the 3rd biggest cheer after goal & pen save Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speculator Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 Great to hear MLT was at the game, cheering us on and got a gr8 response from the crowd I hear which is good! He did an interview for Soccer Saturday b4 the game and was asked about Pinnacle - he said there was obviously this problem with the league but he moved on very quickly and said but of course the as we went into exclusivity I realised the funds weren't there. Interesting - we all know the Pinnacle thing delayed us and delayed new admin's pre-season and that any problems were not MLTs but I think it keeps open the question of when the non-fund problem was realised by the guys involved. A couple of points re the above post in an attempt to bury the stories once and for all. If MLT knew funds were not there going into exclusivity why did he continue to give Pinnacle the benefit of his endorsement right up to the point they removed their bid? It is folly to say the problems with Pinnacle were not MLT's. The fact he was willing to lay his reputation as a Saints legend on the line and endorse the bid knowing the hugely positive effect this would generate was a major factor in raising the credibility of the Pinnace bid. Given that importance was MLT naive, lazy, hoodwinked os simply smug that whatever the outcome he could do no worng in the eyes of Saints fans and therefore extremely complacent in adding creedence to the bid? Many have idenitified issues with the quality of our squad such as lack of experience, cover and fitness. To address all these issues we needed one thing and one thing only with the current set up in place - TIME. The one precious commodity that Pinnacle, Crouch and MLT robbed the club of in my very humble opinion. To cheer MLT in a such way was as much to recognise him as a playing legend but equally a misguided kick in the teeth to Liebherr, Cortese and Oldknow as like the rest of us I am sure they would have welcomed the opportunity to start their work on rebuiliding this club at least 5 weeks earlier than they were afforded by the Pinnacle bid strongly endorsed by MLT. Playing legend he maybe and judging by the comments above one who is trying to rewrite his sorry role in the club's recent history or avoid talking about it altogether. IMO his laidback, confident and strolling style as a player was probably equally evidenced in his approach in choosing to support Pinnacle. Time is a great healer and personally I would prefer for the time being to see MLT back working with Jeff Steling on a Saturday so as not to grace us with his presence and risk rubbing it in to those who were somewhat more genuine in their bid IMO. Our loudest roars of recognition should be reserved for Mr Liebherr and his team and it is disingenuous of us all to be cheering their competitor regardless of his previous status for at least this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 Thank you for your insight 19C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 A couple of points re the above post in an attempt to bury the stories once and for all. If MLT knew funds were not there going into exclusivity why did he continue to give Pinnacle the benefit of his endorsement right up to the point they removed their bid? It is folly to say the problems with Pinnacle were not MLT's. The fact he was willing to lay his reputation as a Saints legend on the line and endorse the bid knowing the hugely positive effect this would generate was a major factor in raising the credibility of the Pinnace bid. Given that importance was MLT naive, lazy, hoodwinked os simply smug that whatever the outcome he could do no worng in the eyes of Saints fans and therefore extremely complacent in adding creedence to the bid? Many have idenitified issues with the quality of our squad such as lack of experience, cover and fitness. To address all these issues we needed one thing and one thing only with the current set up in place - TIME. The one precious commodity that Pinnacle, Crouch and MLT robbed the club of in my very humble opinion. To cheer MLT in a such way was as much to recognise him as a playing legend but equally a misguided kick in the teeth to Liebherr, Cortese and Oldknow as like the rest of us I am sure they would have welcomed the opportunity to start their work on rebuiliding this club at least 5 weeks earlier than they were afforded by the Pinnacle bid strongly endorsed by MLT. Playing legend he maybe and judging by the comments above one who is trying to rewrite his sorry role in the club's recent history or avoid talking about it altogether. IMO his laidback, confident and strolling style as a player was probably equally evidenced in his approach in choosing to support Pinnacle. Time is a great healer and personally I would prefer for the time being to see MLT back working with Jeff Steling on a Saturday so as not to grace us with his presence and risk rubbing it in to those who were somewhat more genuine in their bid IMO. Our loudest roars of recognition should be reserved for Mr Liebherr and his team and it is disingenuous of us all to be cheering their competitor regardless of his previous status for at least this season. you skate bas*ard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amsterdam Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 A couple of points re the above post in an attempt to bury the stories once and for all. If MLT knew funds were not there going into exclusivity why did he continue to give Pinnacle the benefit of his endorsement right up to the point they removed their bid? It is folly to say the problems with Pinnacle were not MLT's. The fact he was willing to lay his reputation as a Saints legend on the line and endorse the bid knowing the hugely positive effect this would generate was a major factor in raising the credibility of the Pinnace bid. Given that importance was MLT naive, lazy, hoodwinked os simply smug that whatever the outcome he could do no worng in the eyes of Saints fans and therefore extremely complacent in adding creedence to the bid? Many have idenitified issues with the quality of our squad such as lack of experience, cover and fitness. To address all these issues we needed one thing and one thing only with the current set up in place - TIME. The one precious commodity that Pinnacle, Crouch and MLT robbed the club of in my very humble opinion. To cheer MLT in a such way was as much to recognise him as a playing legend but equally a misguided kick in the teeth to Liebherr, Cortese and Oldknow as like the rest of us I am sure they would have welcomed the opportunity to start their work on rebuiliding this club at least 5 weeks earlier than they were afforded by the Pinnacle bid strongly endorsed by MLT. Playing legend he maybe and judging by the comments above one who is trying to rewrite his sorry role in the club's recent history or avoid talking about it altogether. IMO his laidback, confident and strolling style as a player was probably equally evidenced in his approach in choosing to support Pinnacle. Time is a great healer and personally I would prefer for the time being to see MLT back working with Jeff Steling on a Saturday so as not to grace us with his presence and risk rubbing it in to those who were somewhat more genuine in their bid IMO. Our loudest roars of recognition should be reserved for Mr Liebherr and his team and it is disingenuous of us all to be cheering their competitor regardless of his previous status for at least this season. You're joking right? Or are you a bell-end? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisobee Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 A couple of points re the above post in an attempt to bury the stories once and for all. If MLT knew funds were not there going into exclusivity why did he continue to give Pinnacle the benefit of his endorsement right up to the point they removed their bid? It is folly to say the problems with Pinnacle were not MLT's. The fact he was willing to lay his reputation as a Saints legend on the line and endorse the bid knowing the hugely positive effect this would generate was a major factor in raising the credibility of the Pinnace bid. Given that importance was MLT naive, lazy, hoodwinked os simply smug that whatever the outcome he could do no worng in the eyes of Saints fans and therefore extremely complacent in adding creedence to the bid? Many have idenitified issues with the quality of our squad such as lack of experience, cover and fitness. To address all these issues we needed one thing and one thing only with the current set up in place - TIME. The one precious commodity that Pinnacle, Crouch and MLT robbed the club of in my very humble opinion. To cheer MLT in a such way was as much to recognise him as a playing legend but equally a misguided kick in the teeth to Liebherr, Cortese and Oldknow as like the rest of us I am sure they would have welcomed the opportunity to start their work on rebuiliding this club at least 5 weeks earlier than they were afforded by the Pinnacle bid strongly endorsed by MLT. Playing legend he maybe and judging by the comments above one who is trying to rewrite his sorry role in the club's recent history or avoid talking about it altogether. IMO his laidback, confident and strolling style as a player was probably equally evidenced in his approach in choosing to support Pinnacle. Time is a great healer and personally I would prefer for the time being to see MLT back working with Jeff Steling on a Saturday so as not to grace us with his presence and risk rubbing it in to those who were somewhat more genuine in their bid IMO. Our loudest roars of recognition should be reserved for Mr Liebherr and his team and it is disingenuous of us all to be cheering their competitor regardless of his previous status for at least this season. You are so predictable, pretty much every post you make is denigrating something or someone. Worse it's invariably not so much an opinion as attention seeking, did you have a deprived childhood ? I'm sure even Marcus Liebherr, Nicloa Cortese and Gary Oldknow would disagree with the statement "To cheer MLT in a such way was as much to recognise him as a playing legend but equally a misguided kick in the teeth to Liebherr, Cortese and Oldknow ". Absolute nonsense to put it politely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFC Forever Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 MLT is was and always will be welcome at SMS. I also feel that our new owner will know why he had such a reception. We do not forget our greats or our previous players who have put the heart into playing for us. MLT IS A LEGEND - SIMPLE AS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 A couple of points re the above post in an attempt to bury the stories once and for all. If MLT knew funds were not there going into exclusivity why did he continue to give Pinnacle the benefit of his endorsement right up to the point they removed their bid? It is folly to say the problems with Pinnacle were not MLT's. The fact he was willing to lay his reputation as a Saints legend on the line and endorse the bid knowing the hugely positive effect this would generate was a major factor in raising the credibility of the Pinnace bid. Given that importance was MLT naive, lazy, hoodwinked os simply smug that whatever the outcome he could do no worng in the eyes of Saints fans and therefore extremely complacent in adding creedence to the bid? Many have idenitified issues with the quality of our squad such as lack of experience, cover and fitness. To address all these issues we needed one thing and one thing only with the current set up in place - TIME. The one precious commodity that Pinnacle, Crouch and MLT robbed the club of in my very humble opinion. To cheer MLT in a such way was as much to recognise him as a playing legend but equally a misguided kick in the teeth to Liebherr, Cortese and Oldknow as like the rest of us I am sure they would have welcomed the opportunity to start their work on rebuiliding this club at least 5 weeks earlier than they were afforded by the Pinnacle bid strongly endorsed by MLT. Playing legend he maybe and judging by the comments above one who is trying to rewrite his sorry role in the club's recent history or avoid talking about it altogether. IMO his laidback, confident and strolling style as a player was probably equally evidenced in his approach in choosing to support Pinnacle. Time is a great healer and personally I would prefer for the time being to see MLT back working with Jeff Steling on a Saturday so as not to grace us with his presence and risk rubbing it in to those who were somewhat more genuine in their bid IMO. Our loudest roars of recognition should be reserved for Mr Liebherr and his team and it is disingenuous of us all to be cheering their competitor regardless of his previous status for at least this season. I think you should change your name to Richard Head...and use the nickname commonly used for the first name... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
up and away Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 Great to hear MLT was at the game, cheering us on and got a gr8 response from the crowd I hear which is good! He did an interview for Soccer Saturday b4 the game and was asked about Pinnacle - he said there was obviously this problem with the league but he moved on very quickly and said but of course the as we went into exclusivity I realised the funds weren't there. Interesting - we all know the Pinnacle thing delayed us and delayed new admin's pre-season and that any problems were not MLTs but I think it keeps open the question of when the non-fund problem was realised by the guys involved. Great to see him at the game, great he got the reception. I have not heard the quote on Soccer Saturday and find it very hard to believe? Just exactly what problem with the FA? something Liebherr is not telling us for our own well being? When you start hearing strine, it's best to put the spade down and stop making a **** of yourself! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisobee Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 Ultimately now MLT and Pinnacle are history. I think it's a racing certainty that we will never know the full story and Matt's part in all this. However, I know I'm not alone by any means in saying Matt will always be welcome at the Club, will always get a great reception and this saga has not changed my view one iota of Matt either as a player, a person or an ardent supporter of this club. Better to have tried and failed than never to have tried at all. Fortunately I'm sure Le Tiss himself knows how much he is appreciated and Marcus Liebherr is not only very astute but also a very down to earth person who I'm sure would have appreciated the applause as much as any of us. It's actually both amusing but pathetic to state: " A couple of points re the above post in an attempt to bury the stories once and for all." when the poster really means he wants to perpetuate the stories. What a hypocrite ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 A couple of points re the above post in an attempt to bury the stories once and for all. If MLT knew funds were not there going into exclusivity why did he continue to give Pinnacle the benefit of his endorsement right up to the point they removed their bid? It is folly to say the problems with Pinnacle were not MLT's. The fact he was willing to lay his reputation as a Saints legend on the line and endorse the bid knowing the hugely positive effect this would generate was a major factor in raising the credibility of the Pinnace bid. Given that importance was MLT naive, lazy, hoodwinked os simply smug that whatever the outcome he could do no worng in the eyes of Saints fans and therefore extremely complacent in adding creedence to the bid? Many have idenitified issues with the quality of our squad such as lack of experience, cover and fitness. To address all these issues we needed one thing and one thing only with the current set up in place - TIME. The one precious commodity that Pinnacle, Crouch and MLT robbed the club of in my very humble opinion. To cheer MLT in a such way was as much to recognise him as a playing legend but equally a misguided kick in the teeth to Liebherr, Cortese and Oldknow as like the rest of us I am sure they would have welcomed the opportunity to start their work on rebuiliding this club at least 5 weeks earlier than they were afforded by the Pinnacle bid strongly endorsed by MLT. Playing legend he maybe and judging by the comments above one who is trying to rewrite his sorry role in the club's recent history or avoid talking about it altogether. IMO his laidback, confident and strolling style as a player was probably equally evidenced in his approach in choosing to support Pinnacle. Time is a great healer and personally I would prefer for the time being to see MLT back working with Jeff Steling on a Saturday so as not to grace us with his presence and risk rubbing it in to those who were somewhat more genuine in their bid IMO. Our loudest roars of recognition should be reserved for Mr Liebherr and his team and it is disingenuous of us all to be cheering their competitor regardless of his previous status for at least this season. Pathetic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 The points made were valid. Maybe if MLT had got a professional to do due diligence for him on the Pinnacle consortium, instead of taking it at face value his name may well have not been used. If it is true that immediately excusivity was established, he realised there was no funding, why was he still saying well after exclusivity ended, that the takeover was close to completion? There is certainly no doubt that the exclusivity cost Markus Leibherr close to six weeks, time that may well have seen us with a team ready to compete in league one. MLT is not being criticised for anything other than a lack of judgement in business, not an area in which he is known for his expertise. There is little doubt that the bid would not have got as far as it did, or that Crouch would have got involved, if the MLT endorsement had not been there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamesaint Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 I think you should change your name to Richard Head...and use the nickname commonly used for the first name... Don't get so worked up about him. Speculator is the new name for Nineteen Canteen which was the new name of Sundance Beast which was the name of Flashman at the Charge which was the new name of the the Fourth Bear. The bloke keeps changing names more often than most people change their shirt. Don't encourage him to change his name again!! The poor bloke has some sort of mental problem. He has admitted it himself. He has to come up with a contrary opinion about most people / events and this is just his latest attempt to stir up controversy. Read what he says and move on. Reacting to it just gives him the limelight that he desires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 Don't get so worked up about him. Speculator is the new name for Nineteen Canteen which was the new name of Sundance Beast which was the name of Flashman at the Charge which was the new name of the the Fourth Bear. The bloke keeps changing names more often than most people change their shirt. Don't encourage him to change his name again!! The poor bloke has some sort of mental problem. He has admitted it himself. He has to come up with a contrary opinion about most people / events and this is just his latest attempt to stir up controversy. Read what he says and move on. Reacting to it just gives him the limelight that he desires. If you read this one without prejudice he does make some valid points. It would be better to give some credit if there is validity rather than disregard everything because of dislike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamesaint Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 If you read this one without prejudice he does make some valid points. It would be better to give some credit if there is validity rather than disregard everything because of dislike. He makes some valid points.... but he has made them before and doubtless will again and again. He loves the affect that slagging off one of our true legends has on the majority of Saints fans. And in true 19C / Sundance style he goes completely over the top. Apparently showing some appreciation of MLT's presence is a kick in the teeth to Cortese, Liebherr etc !! That is well OTT. He loves to cause discord and whilst we are trying to build an united fanbase I think that we can do without his divisive views. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 How terribly easy it is to sit safely on the side lines and criticise those who put their reputations at stake and actually attempt to do something to save the club in its hour of need . Those suggesting that MLT should somehow have had perfect foreknowledge of the Pinnacle Bids ultimate failure to retain sufficient financial backing are assuming Matt possesses intimate contacts in the world of high finance - for heavens sake the man's just a former player who tried (in good faith) to help save his old club from oblivion , not some city financier type dealmaker . It's unfortunate the Pinnacle bid delayed Markus Liebherr's successful takeover of SFC , but no true Saints fan will ever hold that against MLT - 'Wind Up Merchants' suffering from some bizarre multiple personalty disorder excepted of course . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speculator Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 Don't get so worked up about him. Speculator is the new name for Nineteen Canteen which was the new name of Sundance Beast which was the name of Flashman at the Charge which was the new name of the the Fourth Bear. The bloke keeps changing names more often than most people change their shirt. Don't encourage him to change his name again!! The poor bloke has some sort of mental problem. He has admitted it himself. He has to come up with a contrary opinion about most people / events and this is just his latest attempt to stir up controversy. Read what he says and move on. Reacting to it just gives him the limelight that he desires. Blind ignorance and failure to acknowledge and address some reasonable questions could be construed as having a 'mental problem'. It's called living in denial and with the exception of Derry not one poster has tried to tackle the issues and therefore they will remain festering away in the background until the arguments can be discussed and settled in a less infantile way. I can't provide any comment on the rest of your post but to say, is it not just a convienient smokescreen to avoid debating MLT's role with Pinnacle or trying to defend what maybe indefensible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 Blind ignorance and failure to acknowledge and address some reasonable questions could be construed as having a 'mental problem'. It's called living in denial and with the exception of Derry not one poster has tried to tackle the issues and therefore they will remain festering away in the background until the arguments can be discussed and settled in a less infantile way. I can't provide any comment on the rest of your post but to say, is it not just a convienient smokescreen to avoid debating MLT's role with Pinnacle or trying to defend what maybe indefensible? Two questions - why tackle the issues ? Its in the past, move on. Secondly - why have you changed your name from 19 Canteen ? You are obviously one in the same, the writing style and opinions are identical so why the change ? I will just have to add you to my ignore list again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amsterdam Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 Speculator/NC19/Whatever... What is indefensible is your implied criticism of MLT, and with that I will brook no argument. Having been around the world several times, I can say from Bogota to Al-Maty to Port Moresby, the one reaction I get when I say I'm from Southampton is "Ah! Matthew Le Tissier!" (in various accents, of course!). The man is a figure-head and a role model, not just for our club, but also for our city, so it's worth remembering. In terms of his role with Pinnacle, only MLT knows the real answer. I'm happy to concede to you that he may have been mislead, but does that make him less of a hero/legend? In my eyes the answer is an emphatic "No" - he remains "Mr Southampton". I'm not sure of the agenda you and Derry have (or how old you both are) but do you remember: 1 - The goal against Newcastle when MLT flicked it up with the back of his heel (and his endearing comment that he "scuffed" the shot!) 2 - The last (competitive) goal at the Dell to beat the Arse 3-2 - still can remember blubbing about that! 3 - His embarrassment with the goal against Taibi (sp?) at Man U? Still funny! On a personal level, Matt once lived next door to my mum, and to encourage my son's support I asked if she could get an autograph from Matt. I would have been happy with a typical squiggle on a standard "Shoot"-type picture - instead I got a personal photo with a lovely, considered message ("F**k off Pompey, I think it was (joke!)) You are entitled to rave and rant about Pinnacle and the delay it caused for the Liebherr takeover, but please refrain from criticizing MLT, Regards, Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisobee Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 Blind ignorance and failure to acknowledge and address some reasonable questions could be construed as having a 'mental problem'. It's called living in denial and with the exception of Derry not one poster has tried to tackle the issues and therefore they will remain festering away in the background until the arguments can be discussed and settled in a less infantile way. I can't provide any comment on the rest of your post but to say, is it not just a convienient smokescreen to avoid debating MLT's role with Pinnacle or trying to defend what maybe indefensible? Lol, in other words you are one of the few posters who does not have a mental problem. Great logic which is clearly the product of a deluded mind. There are NO reasonable questions which need to be addressed, everything that needs to be said about Pinnacle and those involved has been debated ad nauseum but clearly you want to keep raking it over for your own purposes though aside from what I said before as to it being pure attention seeking I could not even begin to understand how your mind works. I'm almost reluctant to laugh since it's not generally considered polite to mock the afflicted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 Blind ignorance and failure to acknowledge and address some reasonable questions could be construed as having a 'mental problem'. It's called living in denial and with the exception of Derry not one poster has tried to tackle the issues and therefore they will remain festering away in the background until the arguments can be discussed and settled in a less infantile way. I can't provide any comment on the rest of your post but to say, is it not just a convienient smokescreen to avoid debating MLT's role with Pinnacle or trying to defend what maybe indefensible? What issues?? To the vast majority of Saints fans there are no issues in this case. Nothing is "festering away". Yes, it looks like MLT was taken in. Yes, the Pinnacle bid delayed things and put preparations teamwise behind time but we have a bright new future with a wealthy new owner, a good manager (although it won`t be long before he will probably be on your hit list) and confidence and excitement are returning to the fans, but this is obviously not enough for you. The only festering going on is within your mind. A need to be controversial for the sake of it making up "issues" that are really, in the whole scheme of things, in the past and now of little importance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 It was great to see MLT at the game, and if he was a bit naive to get involved with Pinnacle, its worth remembering that they dangled a huge carrot in front of him by offering him the chairmanship. The chapter makes no difference to Matt’s place as a Saints legend, or his current position as a huge supporter of the club. The people to criticise are those who dragged him into the affair for their own benefit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 Nothing is black and white and no one is perfect. MLT is quite rightly considered a God because of what he did as a player at Southampton and no one can take that away but, if I am going to be completely honest the simple truth is he screwed up big time over Pinnacle (no matter how well-intentioned he may have been). I realise this is not going to be a popular post and I will get hated for making it, but there is not much point contributing to this forum if you feel you can't actually say what you honestly really feel or think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 Nothing is black and white and no one is perfect. MLT is quite rightly considered a God because of what he did as a player at Southampton and no one can take that away but, if I am going to be completely honest the simple truth is he screwed up big time over Pinnacle (no matter how well-intentioned he may have been). I realise this is not going to be a popular post and I will get hated for making it, but there is not much point contributing to this forum if you feel you can't actually say what you honestly really feel or think. With the best intentions possible though FF - to save the club we, and he, love !! Totally unlike some who have made many mistakes with regard to this football club whilst having no real feelings for its history or standing. I struggle to believe that some want to point the finger at MLT in the same way as some continue to criticise Leon Crouch. Very sad IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonManager Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 To err is human - to forgive is....., Well, Isn't it? you know, MLT, Marvellous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisobee Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 To err is human - to forgive is....., Well, Isn't it? you know, MLT, Marvellous Saintly !? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red and White Army Posted 10 August, 2009 Share Posted 10 August, 2009 How terribly easy it is to sit safely on the side lines and criticise those who put their reputations at stake and actually attempt to do something to save the club in its hour of need . Those suggesting that MLT should somehow have had perfect foreknowledge of the Pinnacle Bids ultimate failure to retain sufficient financial backing are assuming Matt possesses intimate contacts in the world of high finance - for heavens sake the man's just a former player who tried (in good faith) to help save his old club from oblivion , not some city financier type dealmaker . Ummm that is rubbish. I could see the Pinnacle bid was a joke from 10 minutes of Google and that was *after" the credence added by MLT backing it. There is no question MLT made a big mistake in jumping in to bed with the Pinnacle chancers - I suspect he was simply taken in just like most people on here (and who were also taken in by Wilde). Having said that, MLT is a true legend, the best player I've ever watched and he'll forever be one of (most likely the) greatest ever Saint. We shouldn't confuse his playing days and his poor judgment in backing Pinnacle - it is clear he still loves the club and just made a mistake. In the grand scheme of things, it matters little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 10 August, 2009 Share Posted 10 August, 2009 (edited) Ummm that is rubbish. I could see the Pinnacle bid was a joke from 10 minutes of Google and that was *after" the credence added by MLT backing it. There is no question MLT made a big mistake in jumping in to bed with the Pinnacle chancers - I suspect he was simply taken in just like most people on here (and who were also taken in by Wilde). Having said that, MLT is a true legend, the best player I've ever watched and he'll forever be one of (most likely the) greatest ever Saint. We shouldn't confuse his playing days and his poor judgment in backing Pinnacle - it is clear he still loves the club and just made a mistake. In the grand scheme of things, it matters little. And how did Google inform you of Pinnacle's weaknesses oh wise one when virtually no information on the composition of the bid was publicly available ? oh and feel free to quote the post where you exposed them as well . I take it you posted this in the '10 minutes' it took before you went on Google : http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=315071 Edited 10 August, 2009 by CHAPEL END CHARLIE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 10 August, 2009 Share Posted 10 August, 2009 With the best intentions possible though FF - to save the club we, and he, love !! Totally unlike some who have made many mistakes with regard to this football club whilst having no real feelings for its history or standing. I struggle to believe that some want to point the finger at MLT in the same way as some continue to criticise Leon Crouch. Very sad IMHO. Absolutely Beatlesaint, there is no doubt in my mind his intentions were honourable and I was right behind him at the time - its just that when everyone else began to smell a rat Matt stuck his head in the sand a little. I just wish the whole Pinnacle fiasco had never happened as I am sure he does too. We are lucky that ML hung around = it would have been dreadful if he had taken his euros elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 10 August, 2009 Share Posted 10 August, 2009 To cheer MLT in a such way was as much to recognise him as a playing legend but equally a misguided kick in the teeth to Liebherr, Cortese and Oldknow as like the rest of us I am sure they would have welcomed the opportunity to start their work on rebuiliding this club at least 5 weeks earlier than they were afforded by the Pinnacle bid strongly endorsed by MLT. Our loudest roars of recognition should be reserved for Mr Liebherr and his team and it is disingenuous of us all to be cheering their competitor regardless of his previous status for at least this season. Who are you to make assumptions that Liebherr, Cortese and Oldknow received a kick in the teeth by seeing the crowd rise as one to salute one of the greatest players ever to don the red and white shirt in its entire history? You obviously missed the bit in the media that one reason that Liebherr bought us was because of us, the fans. I'm pretty sure that had our fanbase contained a large proportion of snivelling, antagonistic and snide people like you, he might have thought twice. I take the view that it would have warmed Liebherr's heart to see that despite having proven to have had feet of clay in the Pinnacle affair, Matt was forgiven by all but a small gormless minority (you included, naturally) and warmly embraced by everybody who had fond memories of what he had given us in the past. The fact that Liebherr had not pushed his bid harder when he knew that he was in competition against one of the fans' biggest icons speaks volumes of the humility and sensitivity of the man. I am sure that Liebherr recognises how great an attribute loyalty is and knows that MLT has been one of the most loyal servants the club has ever had. Why should he be upset if we return that loyalty to the memories that MLT gave us? That ovation that MLT received epitomised all that is good about the fans of this club and I have no doubt in my mind whatsoever that Liebherr would not have taken it amiss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 10 August, 2009 Share Posted 10 August, 2009 And how did Google inform you of Pinnacle's weaknesses oh wise one when virtually no information on the composition of the bid was publicly available ? oh and feel free to quote the post where you exposed them as well . I take it you posted this in the '10 minutes' it took before you went on Google : http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=315071 Well done CEC for exposing another troll. I have often thought that he only posted to get a rise from others and now you have proved it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InvictaSaint Posted 10 August, 2009 Share Posted 10 August, 2009 I don't know if anybody else has mentioned this yet, but Pinnacle's offices - if memory serves - were on the Avenue, just down from the Cowherds. Well, if that was the case, then it certainly isn't the case any more; walked past them on Saturday and no sign of Pinnacle anywhere..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 10 August, 2009 Share Posted 10 August, 2009 I could see the Pinnacle bid was a joke from 10 minutes of Google and that was *after" the credence added by MLT backing it. There is no question MLT made a big mistake in jumping in to bed with the Pinnacle chancers - I suspect he was simply taken in just like most people on here. Despite many questioning the validity of the bid the man who was charged with finding a new owner, a professional in his field gave the bid credence which included setting up a Saints email address, now if this guy and his company were 'taken in' its quite easy to see how laymen wanting to see the club they love survive were also 'taken in', Fry could have knocked it all on the head early doors had he gone through them with a fine tooth comb, maybe it was not in his financial interest to do so at the time or maybe he did and it stacked up, however, 'he' gave us ML so he did his job, right ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 10 August, 2009 Share Posted 10 August, 2009 Despite many questioning the validity of the bid the man who was charged with finding a new owner, a professional in his field gave the bid credence which included setting up a Saints email address, now if this guy and his company were 'taken in' its quite easy to see how laymen wanting to see the club they love survive were also 'taken in', Fry could have knocked it all on the head early doors had he gone through them with a fine tooth comb, maybe it was not in his financial interest to do so at the time or maybe he did and it stacked up, however, 'he' gave us ML so he did his job, right ? I think that whatever Red and White Army does for a living, Influenced, he is obviously missing his vocation as an Insolvency Practitioner. It seems that he is far better at it than Fry, for a start. Why, in only a few minutes of digging he had exposed Pinnacle to be tyre kickers. Surely that sort of capability ought to be worth hundreds of thousands a year in salary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 10 August, 2009 Share Posted 10 August, 2009 in only a few minutes of digging he had exposed Pinnacle to be tyre kickers. Surely that sort of capability ought to be worth hundreds of thousands a year in salary. If only we all had access to the source that offered the information he was able to obtain........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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