SaintRichmond Posted 19 September, 2009 Share Posted 19 September, 2009 Before today's match We were on -5. 11 points from 4th bottom, and 17 points from 6th After today's match We are on -2, 8 points from 4th bottom, and 16 points from 6th Plus of course, we gained 3 points on Pompey :D:D Oh Joy :cool::cool::cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 19 September, 2009 Share Posted 19 September, 2009 Hooray we have negative points? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 19 September, 2009 Share Posted 19 September, 2009 if we win our next game and they lose theirs we would reach 1 point 1st, that would be quite funny, surely even the moaning ****ers can agree on that one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 19 September, 2009 Share Posted 19 September, 2009 if we win our next game and they lose theirs we would reach 1 point 1st, that would be quite funny, surely even the moaning ****ers can agree on that one! Ohhhhhhhhh if you insist. FFS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 19 September, 2009 Share Posted 19 September, 2009 Ohhhhhhhhh if you insist. FFS! +1 - but we should empathise with our neighbours and hope they stay in the Championship long enough for us to give them a game in the 2011 - 2012 Season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musesaint Posted 20 September, 2009 Share Posted 20 September, 2009 Before today's match We were on -5. 11 points from 4th bottom, and 17 points from 6th After today's match We are on -2, 8 points from 4th bottom, and 16 points from 6th Plus of course, we gained 3 points on Pompey :D:D Oh Joy :cool::cool::cool: Realistically survival in League 1 is our aim this year with a push back to the Championship next If we get to the playoffs this year it will be a minor miracle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 20 September, 2009 Author Share Posted 20 September, 2009 Realistically survival in League 1 is our aim this year with a push back to the Championship next If we get to the playoffs this year it will be a minor miracle As was Sunderland getting promoted when Roy Keane took over as Manager ???? ..... Funny old game Saints , Funny old game ........:cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 20 September, 2009 Share Posted 20 September, 2009 Before today's match We were on -5. 11 points from 4th bottom, and 17 points from 6th After today's match We are on -2, 8 points from 4th bottom, and 16 points from 6th Plus of course, we gained 3 points on Pompey :D:D Oh Joy :cool::cool::cool: Perhaps another way to measure progress would be that in having got 8 points from league games this season, we WOULD be around 16/17th compared to other clubs who started with 0 (and not -10). We have lost only two games of eight played, and those were games before we signed; Trotman, Hammond, Weigo and Jaidi. If we can continue winning /drawing on a regular basis, then we could be in the top half by Christmas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 20 September, 2009 Share Posted 20 September, 2009 Perhaps another way to measure progress would be that in having got 8 points from league games this season, we WOULD be around 16/17th compared to other clubs who started with 0 (and not -10). We have lost only two games of eight played, and those were games before we signed; Trotman, Hammond, Weigo and Jaidi. If we can continue winning /drawing on a regular basis, then we could be in the top half by Christmas. The reality is - and let's not get carried away here - that we have only lost two games after eight. When was the last time a Saints team had lost so few games eight into a season? As you rightly say, those games also identified our biggest problem - conceding from a set-piece. That alone is what crippled us last season and before. Defensively we are starting to look lmuch ess naive and much more composed. This is a major improvement for me as it has been our downfall since WGC lost the use of Svensson. All good things are built from the ground up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 20 September, 2009 Share Posted 20 September, 2009 The reality is - and let's not get carried away here - that we have only lost two games after eight. When was the last time a Saints team had lost so few games eight into a season? As you rightly say, those games also identified our biggest problem - conceding from a set-piece. That alone is what crippled us last season and before. Defensively we are starting to look lmuch ess naive and much more composed. This is a major improvement for me as it has been our downfall since WGC lost the use of Svensson. All good things are built from the ground up. TRUE..In fact .to quote (a few famous managers in the past...) more or less " All good teams are built from the back..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkSFC Posted 20 September, 2009 Share Posted 20 September, 2009 +1 - but we should empathise with our neighbours and hope they stay in the Championship long enough for us to give them a game in the 2011 - 2012 Season. Why the **** should we empathise with the skates? Their start to the season is the best thing ever....the few skates I know have in comparison to the last 3/4 years gone very very quiet!!! Its brilliant!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clifford Nelson Posted 20 September, 2009 Share Posted 20 September, 2009 You could get 20 to 1 on Saints getting promoted last week. Suddenly it doesn't look that outrageous. £100 would turn into £2K! Hmmmm...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 20 September, 2009 Share Posted 20 September, 2009 The comparisons with the team down the A27 is a bit sad, as it shows that some Saints fans might be taking too much interest. Traditionally, we just ignored them as saints were THE team in Hampshire, in the South, even. Worrying about how quickly they might decline just indicates that there is a little bit of inferiority complex under the surface, when there is no need for it. As Saint Richmond says, we are making progress. Good Enough, and if we get to 15th - 17th place in the table, that will be a successful season in the circumstances, and a step on the road back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 20 September, 2009 Share Posted 20 September, 2009 You could get 20 to 1 on Saints getting promoted last week. Suddenly it doesn't look that outrageous. £100 would turn into £2K! Hmmmm...... I took 18/1 and 150/1 to win the league. I've said it before and will say it again, I expect to collect on at least one of those bets. Here's why: Davis Thomas Jaidi Trotman Harding Lallana Hammond Schneiderlin Holmes Saganowski Lambert Waigo, Mills, James, Perry, Thomson... At least eight/nine of the starting eleven are comfortably Championship standard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 20 September, 2009 Share Posted 20 September, 2009 I took 18/1 and 150/1 to win the league. I've said it before and will say it again, I expect to collect on at least one of those bets. Here's why: Davis Thomas Jaidi Trotman Harding Lallana Hammond Schneiderlin Holmes Saganowski Lambert Waigo, Mills, James, Perry, Thomson... At least eight/nine of the starting eleven are comfortably Championship standard. agree with that...100% most of our starting 11 would be welcome in many CCC first teams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 20 September, 2009 Share Posted 20 September, 2009 I took 18/1 and 150/1 to win the league. I've said it before and will say it again, I expect to collect on at least one of those bets. Here's why: Davis Thomas Jaidi Trotman Harding Lallana Hammond Schneiderlin Holmes Saganowski Lambert Waigo, Mills, James, Perry, Thomson... At least eight/nine of the starting eleven are comfortably Championship standard. Bookmakers must love you! If you said 6 to 8 are CCC standard, I'd agree, but thats probably true of most of Div1. As for where we will finish, if we get to 15th to 17th I'd say the team had done well. Above 15th looks very difficult. Last season there were 10 points between the 12th team and the 14th so to get into the top half is very hard given the -10 handicap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExSt Peter Saint Posted 20 September, 2009 Share Posted 20 September, 2009 We've got a top 6 defence in terms of goals conceded, but aren't scoring enough goals. If we do that, we'll start storming up the table, but there is a long way to go before we can aim for anything above lower-mid table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Third Division South Days Posted 20 September, 2009 Share Posted 20 September, 2009 Bookmakers must love you! If you said 6 to 8 are CCC standard, I'd agree, but thats probably true of most of Div1. As for where we will finish, if we get to 15th to 17th I'd say the team had done well. Above 15th looks very difficult. Last season there were 10 points between the 12th team and the 14th so to get into the top half is very hard given the -10 handicap. Didn't Leeds get in the playoffs despite points penalty. My memory may not be correct but didn't they have a 15 point penalty? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 20 September, 2009 Author Share Posted 20 September, 2009 I took 18/1 and 150/1 to win the league. I've said it before and will say it again, I expect to collect on at least one of those bets. Here's why: Davis Thomas Jaidi Trotman Harding Lallana Hammond Schneiderlin Holmes Saganowski Lambert Waigo, Mills, James, Perry, Thomson... At least eight/nine of the starting eleven are comfortably Championship standard. I agree, but that is not the problem .....The problem is, can they ADAPT to the rough tough life in Div 1 ??? We always seem to be "One League Behind " When in the CCC last year, we DID try to play Prem Type Football Now, in Div 1, we are still trying to play CCC type Football We MUST adapt to the League we are in, which may not be pretty, but it WILL be effective IMHO:cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Mockles Posted 20 September, 2009 Share Posted 20 September, 2009 Yep. Progress indeed although I left the match disappointed. Pleased (obviously) with the 3 points & how our defence has improved but disappointed on the lack of supply & action in the final 3rd. Waigo looked good & a real prospect. I think the negative comments & thread criticising are totally OTT, unfair & pathetic. So what if he had a few tight off sides called. He's played in Italy his entire career & hasn't even started a full 90min game yet. I wish some of the sensationalist opinions shared on this forum got some bloody perspective! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedAndWhite91 Posted 20 September, 2009 Share Posted 20 September, 2009 Didn't Leeds get in the playoffs despite points penalty. My memory may not be correct but didn't they have a 15 point penalty? Correct, and if MY memory serves me correct I think they finished 10 points ahead of the team below them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 20 September, 2009 Share Posted 20 September, 2009 We'll survive - we'll not make the play-offs but we will survive. Nice to see the final bottoming out starting to take place. Upwards from now on in! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 20 September, 2009 Share Posted 20 September, 2009 Correct, and if MY memory serves me correct I think they finished 10 points ahead of the team below them. Yes - but they went on a massive winning streak to achieve that, as I recall almost immediately upon relegation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Si Posted 20 September, 2009 Share Posted 20 September, 2009 Yes - but they went on a massive winning streak to achieve that, as I recall almost immediately upon relegation. Aye, I think they won 9 out of their opening 10 games under Wise and Poyet... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Third Division South Days Posted 20 September, 2009 Share Posted 20 September, 2009 Yes - but they went on a massive winning streak to achieve that, as I recall almost immediately upon relegation. At one time didn't they look likely to be in for an automatic spot but went off the boil at the back end of season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobM Posted 20 September, 2009 Share Posted 20 September, 2009 if we win our next game and they lose theirs we would reach 1 point 1st, that would be quite funny, surely even the moaning ****ers can agree on that one! I have a bet on with somebody at work that Saints will reach 1 point first. Oddly, he didn't reply to my message yesterday suggesting my money is looking safe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 20 September, 2009 Share Posted 20 September, 2009 (edited) Bookmakers must love you! If you said 6 to 8 are CCC standard, I'd agree, but thats probably true of most of Div1. As for where we will finish, if we get to 15th to 17th I'd say the team had done well. Above 15th looks very difficult. Last season there were 10 points between the 12th team and the 14th so to get into the top half is very hard given the -10 handicap. Victor Chandler invited me to the King George and the Tote invited me to Aintree so you could be right... On a serious note, these are small bets (£50 and £20) which, with luck and a fair wind in the economy won't be missed come May... :S BUT, that said, we are only 16 points off the playoffs with a further 114 points to play for. Football (like all sport in my view) is so often about momentum. If we string a few wins together, than that can easily become ten wins, or at least ten games unbeaten. We're already four unbeaten, including going away to the League leaders. Don't get me wrong I'm not suggesting the missus chooses something from Harrods sale!!! But I do think our first 15 is as strong as any in the league and is already starting to look hard to beat. Why shouldn't we go the rest of the season unbeaten and win 30 games??? Edited 20 September, 2009 by Legod Third Coming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 20 September, 2009 Share Posted 20 September, 2009 Bookmakers must love you! If you said 6 to 8 are CCC standard, I'd agree, but thats probably true of most of Div1. As for where we will finish, if we get to 15th to 17th I'd say the team had done well. Above 15th looks very difficult. Last season there were 10 points between the 12th team and the 14th so to get into the top half is very hard given the -10 handicap. we are only 10 points of 17th at the moment. In other words after our dodgy start putting our team together we have matched team in 17th place. I really see, now we have a decent team together, just gaining 10 points, over a season, on a the team in 17th as quite a easy target. I will be surprised, and disappointed if we are not top half. (still can't quite give up hope on play offs!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 20 September, 2009 Share Posted 20 September, 2009 we are only 10 points of 17th at the moment. In other words after our dodgy start putting our team together we have matched team in 17th place. I really see, now we have a decent team together, just gaining 10 points, over a season, on a the team in 17th as quite a easy target. I will be surprised, and disappointed if we are not top half. (still can't quite give up hope on play offs!) We (genuinely) need CB Fry to tell us how easy/hard it is to catch teams who are obviously not standing still... My view is that we could and perhaps even should win 20+games this season. We have the talent and the manager to do just that. I don't buy it taking a whole season for a manager to build a team and have it performing in our situation. There are two manay examples of it being done much quicker. Managers need time, but in my view three months or 15 games should be sufficient with the resources we have had available. Managers may need longer where they don't have money to buy solutions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 20 September, 2009 Share Posted 20 September, 2009 http://www.4thegame.com/statistics/league-one/tables/currentform.html this shows that over last 6 games we are both improving and making up ground on others. I would think that we are more likely than most to keep that improvement going due to; pressure of waiting for first win gone key players - Jaidi, Hammond, Trottman, Lambert were not here at the start of the season - some very recent but none for first game or two. I anticipate the current form table to soon show us into the top half. Once we are regularly performing with that form it won't be long before we are clear of the relegation zone - a few weeks. also the old thing of lack of preseason, no coaches etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 20 September, 2009 Share Posted 20 September, 2009 I'd be happy with that table at the end of the season to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 20 September, 2009 Share Posted 20 September, 2009 carlise next right..? how are they fairing lately...? haven't the blue few got them this week..? would be funny as **** if they beat pompey and lose to us.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 20 September, 2009 Share Posted 20 September, 2009 It would be pretty funny if we got a points tally with a square root before the blue few I must admit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 20 September, 2009 Share Posted 20 September, 2009 At one time didn't they look likely to be in for an automatic spot but went off the boil at the back end of season. Thats a good point. They did tail off at the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 20 September, 2009 Share Posted 20 September, 2009 We will need to produce Championship form to reach the play-offs, which whilst not out of the question is very unlikely, especially considering our poor start, and we were not exactly great yesterday. Much will depend on how the league pans out, if the top 6 team stay in good form we wont get a sniff regardless of how well we play, if it's quite a close league sometimes reaching 6th is not that hard if a good run is put together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 20 September, 2009 Share Posted 20 September, 2009 We will need to produce Championship form to reach the play-offs, which whilst not out of the question is very unlikely, especially considering our poor start, and we were not exactly great yesterday. Much will depend on how the league pans out, if the top 6 team stay in good form we wont get a sniff regardless of how well we play, if it's quite a close league sometimes reaching 6th is not that hard if a good run is put together. going on last years table we need another 76 points this season to make play offs. we have 38 games left. exactly 2 points per game for the rest of the season. win our home games, draw away and we are there! couple of away wins will take pressure off and put us ahead of schedule to allow for inevitable defeats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 20 September, 2009 Share Posted 20 September, 2009 It's amazing, 1 win and we're getting the calculators out working out what we need to get top 6, and 1 defeat and we're going down FWIW - after our slow start - i think top half mid table, with a strong finish to this season - letting us start next season with some momentum. Anything other than that will constitute a poor season IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 20 September, 2009 Share Posted 20 September, 2009 3 out of the 4 years before that 69 points would have been enough, the other year 70. Need a good season but not an absolutely amazing one, chances are less than 2 points per game will get us there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 20 September, 2009 Share Posted 20 September, 2009 It's amazing, 1 win and we're getting the calculators out working out what we need to get top 6, and 1 defeat and we're going down FWIW - after our slow start - i think top half mid table, with a strong finish to this season - letting us start next season with some momentum. Anything other than that will constitute a poor season IMO. I agree. Think automatic and relegation are both out of the question. Bottom half surprising and disappointing. lower half of top half, ok and realistic - which means play offs would not be totally out of sight with a good run at some stage - but not counting on it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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