Lazy Echo and Attention Seeking SISA

[swannymere]

When are the ****ing Echo going to wake up and realise that the nomark,

attention seeking ****wits from SISA (current membership 6?) don't speak for the majority of Saints fans and that they have their own agenda? I understand that feckless, lazy journos would rather go to rentagobs like SISA because they're lazy idiots but please show a little integrity! How long before our socialist friends decide that having a billionaire owner is wrong? Rant over.

[jam]

eh?

[landford.saint]

Agreed that the lazy journo's at The Echo always seem to go to the totally unrepresentative single figure membership SISA, but I just wonder if there is anyone out there who has made him/her self known as a more accurate representative of the fan base as a whole, and who has the authority/backing to be regarded with as said mouthpeice.

Anyone any ideas.

[Channon's Sideburns]

Agreed that the lazy journo's at The Echo always seem to go to the totally unrepresentative single figure membership SISA, but I just wonder if there is anyone out there who has made him/her self known as a more accurate representative of the fan base as a whole, and who has the authority/backing to be regarded with as said mouthpeice.

Anyone any ideas.

 

'Saint Idol'

 

Echo launches a competition for Saints fans to debate events on and off the field - this in turn will provide them with fans' correspondents to refer to.

 

Gets us away from 'associations' where to be fair, they were relevant in their fight to remove a certain parasite(s)..but in our new era, is it the same anymore?

[krissyboy31]

Agreed that the lazy journo's at The Echo always seem to go to the totally unrepresentative single figure membership SISA, but I just wonder if there is anyone out there who has made him/her self known as a more accurate representative of the fan base as a whole, and who has the authority/backing to be regarded with as said mouthpeice.

Anyone any ideas.

 

Nick Illingsworth!! Oh no wait........

[landford.saint]

This would entail the Echo (and the TV companies for that matter) being a bit more proactive, unfortunately they tend to be lazy, ie :-

 

Q. Who can we get some comment from.

A. SISA gave us a comment last time we'll just talk to them again.

 

They dont care if they are unrepresentative. Its just easy. Another case of the decline in modern journalim. Non investitagive, not meeting people, not getting out there where it happens, just sat behind a computor screen.

Rant over as well.

[mikec]

Agreed that the lazy journo's at The Echo always seem to go to the totally unrepresentative single figure membership SISA, but I just wonder if there is anyone out there who has made him/her self known as a more accurate representative of the fan base as a whole, and who has the authority/backing to be regarded with as said mouthpeice.

Anyone any ideas.

 

That's the problem. You only have to look at the discussions on here to know that if you take 20000 fans you'll get something like 20000 different opinions (or even more sometimes )

 

I don't see how any one person or group could be said to be representative of the fanbase unless he/she has to keep saying "On the one hand, some people think X but on the other, some believe Y..." and so on. I have no problem with the media talking to groups like SISA as long as it's clear in reports that it is just one person's or group's view.

[Prince Jazzbo]

To be honest I dont really care who says what.

 

However,

 

If people on here are so exercised about the issue, why don't they propose that they become the official spokesperson for this site. They could submit a paragraph on here stating why they are the best person for the job, and those that are interested could vote for the candidate they feel is the best person for the job. The elected person could then provide the Echo with their contact details and inform them that they are the official spokesperson for the the website that is the mouthpeice for the largest number of Saints fans

 

Just a suggestion.

[Give it to Ron]

I think the Op may have been referring to this.....

 

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/4643446.Feelgood_factor_is_back_at_St_Mary_s/

 

The last paragraph is ridiculous IMO and why can't they let it all lie. Nothing to do with sensible ticket prices then?

[ecuk268]

Organisations like SISA need an enemy. They started with Branfo*t (quite rightly) and moved on to Rupert.

 

Now, most fans are reasonably happy with things and hope to see steady progress, so SISA don't really have a reason to exist.

 

Unless they can create a bit of conflict, they're out of the limelight.

[Wes Tender]

To be honest I dont really care who says what.

 

However,

 

If people on here are so exercised about the issue, why don't they propose that they become the official spokesperson for this site. They could submit a paragraph on here stating why they are the best person for the job, and those that are interested could vote for the candidate they feel is the best person for the job. The elected person could then provide the Echo with their contact details and inform them that they are the official spokesperson for the the website that is the mouthpeice for the largest number of Saints fans

 

Just a suggestion.

 

Just one paragraph? Certain posters on here couln't constrain themselves to that!

[Scudamore]

I represent the views of all Saints fans

[krissyboy31]

Organisations like SISA need an enemy. They started with Branfo*t (quite rightly) and moved on to Rupert.

 

Now, most fans are reasonably happy with things and hope to see steady progress, so SISA don't really have a reason to exist.

 

Unless they can create a bit of conflict, they're out of the limelight.

 

When SISA first started they could arguably call themselves the voice of the fans. They had massive membership all focussed on a common goal. The same could probably be said of the Trust as a collective of small shareholders attempting to have a greater say in the running of the club than they would individually. Neither now have a reason for being and should IMO be disbanded and maybe a new Supporters Association run by but independent to the club, bringing in all the regional supporters clubs would be the way to go.

[warsash saint]

When are the ****ing Echo going to wake up and realise that the nomark,

attention seeking ****wits from SISA (current membership 6?) don't speak for the majority of Saints fans and that they have their own agenda? I understand that feckless, lazy journos would rather go to rentagobs like SISA because they're lazy idiots but please show a little integrity! How long before our socialist friends decide that having a billionaire owner is wrong? Rant over.

 

 

Jeez, your rant had me scrambling for the Echo link thinking that Nick Illingworth had demanded AP be sacked...all I found is a sensible comment from Mick O’Callaghan stating that attendances were up due to Lowe not being here...nothing wrong there surely :confused:

 

Calm down dear, it's only a commercial;)

[Wade Garrett]

I think the Op may have been referring to this.....

 

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/4643446.Feelgood_factor_is_back_at_St_Mary_s/

 

The last paragraph is ridiculous IMO and why can't they let it all lie. Nothing to do with sensible ticket prices then?

 

I think the SISA bloke is right. And £25 to watch Brentford at home isn't particularly sensible pricing.

[Chez]

When are the ****ing Echo going to wake up and realise that the nomark,

attention seeking ****wits from SISA (current membership 6?) don't speak for the majority of Saints fans and that they have their own agenda?

 

out of interest, what is their agenda?

[Chez]

I think the SISA bloke is right. And £25 to watch Brentford at home isn't particularly sensible pricing.

 

how much was it for a ticket to watch Brum at home last season?

[Give it to Ron]

I think the SISA bloke is right. And £25 to watch Brentford at home isn't particularly sensible pricing.

 

Last season I paid over £500 for my 2 season tickets ...this season £330ish thats sensible to me as I renewed without thought.

[londonsaint1604]

I think the SISA bloke is right. And £25 to watch Brentford at home isn't particularly sensible pricing.

 

If it was all because of Lowe then why did we get 18,925 attendance for the first home game, 17,000+ against wolves and watford (more than against Colchester this season), 26,000+ against Forest and 30,000+ against United?

[The Majestic Channon]

Mr steele is right though..

[Saint Fan CaM]

It always strikes me as strange that there is a need for some kind of club, within a club...for that is what SFC is - a club of supporters. Surely it is incumbent and the responsibility of the management of the club to obtain the views of its full members (i.e. those that buy season tickets). If Nicola were to arrange such a forum then there would no need for any other 'club' or supporters group. In fact, it would be really good to hold a meeting that was aired on radio....

 

...oh.

[Master Bates]

I prefer Mick speaking for me rather than Nick.

 

SISA Rule OK!

[once_bitterne]

According to Chuckles Chorley (him of famed 'Hi, I saw your Mum down the shops' 'here's my mobile number' , "I can't answer your questions as I have to take my girl friend to get her hiar cut' utterances) SISA is no longer a supporters club but is an 'organic pressure group'. I guess that means full of.....

 

Anyone know when his essay on the future of SFC is due out? He promised he was writing it over a year ago....

[saintstr1]

Why are folks getting there knickers in a twist , I read O'Callaghans quote as being pretty dam near the truth, Good riddance Lowe, Better times at St Marys.. Hence increase in the support.......... Rocket science it aint.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

According to Chuckles Chorley (him of famed 'Hi, I saw your Mum down the shops' 'here's my mobile number' , "I can't answer your questions as I have to take my girl friend to get her hiar cut' utterances) SISA is no longer a supporters club but is an 'organic pressure group'. I guess that means full of.....

 

Anyone know when his essay on the future of SFC is due out? He promised he was writing it over a year ago....

 

Shock, horror, OB hits back with snide, hide behind his anonymity wind up post!

[londonsaint1604]

Why are folks getting there knickers in a twist , I read O'Callaghans quote as being pretty dam near the truth, Good riddance Lowe, Better times at St Marys.. Hence increase in the support.......... Rocket science it aint.

 

Lowe left the club on 2 April. Are you saying that 2 April was the start of 'better times at st marys'? considering we were still in danger of going out of business?

 

You might as well say going into administration is the reason, because we went into administration, got a new owner with money to spend, better times at st marys, hence increase in support.

 

I think it would be more accurate to say that a certain mr Liebherr arrived so we are getting good attendances.

[swannymere]

Shock, horror, OB hits back with snide, hide behind his anonymity wind up post!

 

I respect you and your knowledge of Saints, but please don't fall into the trap of thinking these fools actually represent anything apart from themselves. I think alot more people would rather somebody more like yourself represented the fans opinion than these deluded muppets.

[INFLUENCED.COM]

Anyone who is quoted in the Echo is shot down by some on here, within previous threads posters were asked why they believed they were more suited and why do they not contact the relevant media outlets and explain why they should come to them for a quote, I think the 'body' they represent when quoted initially fires people up then its how people feel about the individual, should start with "Saints Fan ......"

I'm with Give it to Ron, the quote was unnecessary and I believe many factors are in the equation for the attendance figures.

[stanthemanfairoak]

When are the ****ing Echo going to wake up and realise that the nomark,

attention seeking ****wits from SISA (current membership 6?) don't speak for the majority of Saints fans and that they have their own agenda? I understand that feckless, lazy journos would rather go to rentagobs like SISA because they're lazy idiots but please show a little integrity! How long before our socialist friends decide that having a billionaire owner is wrong? Rant over.

WHY DON`T YOU GET THE ECHO TO CONTACT YOU FOR FANS INFO?:confused:

[once_bitterne]

Shock, horror, OB hits back with snide, hide behind his anonymity wind up post!

 

Anyone who wants their real identity to be known on an internet message board either needs sectioning or is blatent attention seeker (see Godwin S. and Mumford T.)

 

Sorry that my post yesterday hit a nerve but given your previous I am somewhat cautious with your insessant mentioning of SFC not being our club anymore. You may want to portray the picture of the mild mannered historian but past actions haven't always shown this. While I was def no fan of Burley you were instrumental in the whispering campaign against him. You sent PMs to many (inc myself!) about many ludicrous things like him using a hair examiner (!) on players to check for drug use, being asleep in his car before training and the famous 'Burley was banging on the door of a local pub to be let in at 4am, the landlord told me himself' which all turned out to be untrue so excuse me for being concerned that you aren't begin to view ML with distrust.

[lordswoodsaints]

The echo goes to Sisa because one member is a drinking buddy of one of the sports editors.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

Anyone who wants their real identity to be known on an internet message board either needs sectioning or is blatent attention seeker (see Godwin S. and Mumford T.)

 

Sorry that my post yesterday hit a nerve but given your previous I am somewhat cautious with your insessant mentioning of SFC not being our club anymore. You may want to portray the picture of the mild mannered historian but past actions haven't always shown this. While I was def no fan of Burley you were instrumental in the whispering campaign against him. You sent PMs to many (inc myself!) about many ludicrous things like him using a hair examiner (!) on players to check for drug use, being asleep in his car before training and the famous 'Burley was banging on the door of a local pub to be let in at 4am, the landlord told me himself' which all turned out to be untrue so excuse me for being concerned that you aren't begin to view ML with distrust.

 

I do think you are getting me mixed up or jumbled into one.

Haven't a clue what you are talking about re the hair or Burley being asleep in his car. Not my stories sorry.

 

The Burley hammering on the door story is verifiable and has been confirmed by others on here inc Lets B Avenue just recently. The pub was the Avenue in Padwell Rd and the landlord's - since left - name was Tony. He still frequents so I suggest you pop a long and check it out for yourself.

 

I don't know about Mumford or Godwin attention seeking. I regard both as being Saints fans of integrity indeed the work Tim has recently been doing for Ron Davies is way above attention seeking status.

 

And once again for the record - I don't think Saints could have found a better owner anywhere else on this planet than ML.

 

Phew.

[Bearsy]

Is anyone here dedicated enough to get their entire body including ball sack covered with SFC tattoos?

 

Aka the "Westwood Method".

[gammoncheeks]

When are the ****ing Echo going to wake up and realise that the nomark,

attention seeking ****wits from SISA (current membership 6?) don't speak for the majority of Saints fans and that they have their own agenda? I understand that feckless, lazy journos would rather go to rentagobs like SISA because they're lazy idiots but please show a little integrity! How long before our socialist friends decide that having a billionaire owner is wrong? Rant over.

Why dont you contact the echo and give your views ? Then maybe we could slag you off!

[the stain]

investitagive

 

Surprised this slipped unmolested through the swear filter.

[Mustapha Fag]

Anyone who wants their real identity to be known on an internet message board either needs sectioning or is blatent attention seeker (see Godwin S. and Mumford T.)

 

Sorry that my post yesterday hit a nerve but given your previous I am somewhat cautious with your insessant mentioning of SFC not being our club anymore. You may want to portray the picture of the mild mannered historian but past actions haven't always shown this. While I was def no fan of Burley you were instrumental in the whispering campaign against him. You sent PMs to many (inc myself!) about many ludicrous things like him using a hair examiner (!) on players to check for drug use, being asleep in his car before training and the famous 'Burley was banging on the door of a local pub to be let in at 4am, the landlord told me himself' which all turned out to be untrue so excuse me for being concerned that you aren't begin to view ML with distrust.

 

none of which answers the fact that you dragged rich chorley into the argument when he hasnt been on the scene for over a year now

Looks obsessive to me

[Fitzhugh Fella]

I respect you and your knowledge of Saints, but please don't fall into the trap of thinking these fools actually represent anything apart from themselves. I think alot more people would rather somebody more like yourself represented the fans opinion than these deluded muppets.

 

Hi Swannymere - I was not sticking up for SISA just cheap point scoring on OB after his post of yesterday.

For the record I now regard SISA as a busted flush and the Echo should avoid them as fans representatives 100%. They represent no one but themselves and the sooner the Echo appreciate that the better.

 

At present I don't think anyone is qualified or entitled to talk on behalf of the fans.

 

Do we need someone? At present probably not. I think the next year should be left to NC and AO to run and rebuld the club as they see fit reporting to ML. Any fan who feels strongly can always write in.

 

SISA came about because it appears the Board - at that time - would not listen to fan opinion. They served their purpose, the time for politics in SFC is no more.

[Scudamore]

unmolested

 

Surprised this slipped un****ed through the swear filter.

[krissyboy31]

Hi Swannymere - I was not sticking up for SISA just cheap point scoring on OB after his post of yesterday.

For the record I now regard SISA as a busted flush and the Echo should avoid them as fans representatives 100%. They represent no one but themselves and the sooner the Echo appreciate that the better.

 

At present I don't think anyone is qualified or entitled to talk on behalf of the fans.

 

Do we need someone? At present probably not. I think the next year should be left to NC and AO to run and rebuld the club as they see fit reporting to ML. Any fan who feels strongly can always write in.

 

SISA came about because it appears the Board - at that time - would not listen to fan opinion. They served their purpose, the time for politics in SFC is no more.

 

The trouble is, until there is an official supporters group to fill the void, the media will continue to go to McMillan, O'Callaghan or Illingsworth for sound-bites.

[ecuk268]

 

The Burley hammering on the door story is verifiable and has been confirmed by others on here inc Lets B Avenue just recently. The pub was the Avenue in Padwell Rd and the landlord's - since left - name was Tony. He still frequents so I suggest you pop a long and check it out for yourself.

 

 

I went to school with him (not Burley).

[the stain]

Surprised this slipped un****ed through the swear filter.

 

That mole's a saucy qunt and no mistake.

[once_bitterne]

I do think you are getting me mixed up or jumbled into one.

Haven't a clue what you are talking about re the hair or Burley being asleep in his car. Not my stories sorry.

 

 

or maybe it is you that is suffering from a case of selective memory (writers block?)

 

PM sent from Fizthugh Fella to Once_Bitterne 26/06/07 07:57pm

 

have got to be really careful here but what I heard (from someone who until recently was high up on the medical side of things at the club) was Burley had some very strange ideas. Apparently he has (at some considerable expense) appointed a group of Scottish women to appraise the players fitness/health by using hair analysis techniques. He is very much into alternative medicine. Nothing wrong with that my informant says but Burley is very zealous about it. An example - Burley believes when people have cancer it is not the cancer that kills them but the chemo! My "friend" fell out with Burley over this and realised he could not work any more with him.

 

This guy is a very well respected professional local sports consultant and a Saints fan. He went on to tell me that Burley is not what he seems. He surrounds himself with with pyscophants and is very much someone who has his favourites.

 

The Echo are aware of all this and are trying to entice my friend to go public but he is reluctant out of what harm it may do the club. He worked for Saints for about 9 years and has much loyalty. Actually I have just realised I have nearly given his identity away so if you realise who it is please say nothing for now. There will be a time and place to reveal all but best hang fire.

[Nineteen Canteen]

The trouble is, until there is an official supporters group to fill the void, the media will continue to go to McMillan, O'Callaghan or Illingsworth for sound-bites.

 

Not forgetting the erudite Foley.

 

Anyway they can't talk for Saints fans anymore as our new owner has two syllables in his surname. IMO it's why Crouch was a leading candidate after the tongue twisting Dulieu and perhaps why Hoos was retained and not Oldknow. Just a theory.

 

Lowe was the perfect scapegoat in so many ways for such a fine collection of braincells to get to grips with Just a pity they don't appear to be in the same head. Still what's football without opinion.

[SaintRobbie]

Not forgetting the erudite Foley.

 

Anyway they can't talk for Saints fans anymore as our new owner has two syllables in his surname. IMO it's why Crouch was a leading candidate after the tongue twisting Dulieu and perhaps why Hoos was retained and not Oldknow. Just a theory.

 

Lowe was the perfect scapegoat in so many ways for such a fine collection of braincells to get to grips with Just a pity they don't appear to be in the same head. Still what's football without opinion.

 

19's continual efforts to rewrite the facts for his beloeved Lowe never cease to amaze me. Complete denier of the holocaustesque destruction of the club by Lowe's incompetence. Just amazing.

[krissyboy31]

Not forgetting the erudite Foley.

 

Anyway they can't talk for Saints fans anymore as our new owner has two syllables in his surname. IMO it's why Crouch was a leading candidate after the tongue twisting Dulieu and perhaps why Hoos was retained and not Oldknow. Just a theory.

 

Lowe was the perfect scapegoat in so many ways for such a fine collection of braincells to get to grips with Just a pity they don't appear to be in the same head. Still what's football without opinion.

 

Although Clive is (as far as I know) still a part of SISA, I wouldn't lump him in with the likes of Chorley and McMillan. Also, you can't accuse Illingsworth of being anti-Lowe, he was more of an apologist, if anything.

[camdijk]

or maybe it is you that is suffering from a case of selective memory (writers block?)

 

PM sent from Fizthugh Fella to Once_Bitterne 26/06/07 07:57pm

 

have got to be really careful here but what I heard (from someone who until recently was high up on the medical side of things at the club) was Burley had some very strange ideas. Apparently he has (at some considerable expense) appointed a group of Scottish women to appraise the players fitness/health by using hair analysis techniques. He is very much into alternative medicine. Nothing wrong with that my informant says but Burley is very zealous about it. An example - Burley believes when people have cancer it is not the cancer that kills them but the chemo! My "friend" fell out with Burley over this and realised he could not work any more with him.

 

This guy is a very well respected professional local sports consultant and a Saints fan. He went on to tell me that Burley is not what he seems. He surrounds himself with with pyscophants and is very much someone who has his favourites.

 

The Echo are aware of all this and are trying to entice my friend to go public but he is reluctant out of what harm it may do the club. He worked for Saints for about 9 years and has much loyalty. Actually I have just realised I have nearly given his identity away so if you realise who it is please say nothing for now. There will be a time and place to reveal all but best hang fire.

 

 

Regarding the piece in the PM about 'nearly given his identity away so if you realise who it is please say nothing for now' why the hell didn't FF reword his PM so he wouldn't 'nearly' give away the identity of his informer? Seems to be a very poorly worded message IMHO. Talk about baiting.

[Nineteen Canteen]

Although Clive is (as far as I know) still a part of SISA, I wouldn't lump him in with the likes of Chorley and McMillan. Also, you can't accuse Illingsworth of being anti-Lowe, he was more of an apologist, if anything.

 

His less than memorable interview on Solent post administration was I'm afraid toe curlingly awful and if SISA have any credibility then they need to carefully consider who speaks on their behalf. As it is they make Bob Crow sound like a cBBC presenter IMO.

[Nineteen Canteen]

19's continual efforts to rewrite the facts for his beloeved Lowe never cease to amaze me. Complete denier of the holocaustesque destruction of the club by Lowe's incompetence. Just amazing.

 

Support for Lowe, over Crouch and Wilde and that makes me a holocaust denier? Offensive on so many levels it is just amazing. Insult me by all means Robbie if that is the only way you can make a point but be very careful what bait you choose to use. Makes you look somewhat immature.

[Wopper]

Support for Lowe, over Crouch and Wilde and that makes me a holocaust denier? Offensive on so many levels it is just amazing. Insult me by all means Robbie if that is the only way you can make a point but be very careful what bait you choose to use. Makes you look somewhat immature.

 

You make yourself look a c*nt everyday.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

or maybe it is you that is suffering from a case of selective memory (writers block?)

 

PM sent from Fizthugh Fella to Once_Bitterne 26/06/07 07:57pm

 

have got to be really careful here but what I heard (from someone who until recently was high up on the medical side of things at the club) was Burley had some very strange ideas. Apparently he has (at some considerable expense) appointed a group of Scottish women to appraise the players fitness/health by using hair analysis techniques. He is very much into alternative medicine. Nothing wrong with that my informant says but Burley is very zealous about it. An example - Burley believes when people have cancer it is not the cancer that kills them but the chemo! My "friend" fell out with Burley over this and realised he could not work any more with him.

 

This guy is a very well respected professional local sports consultant and a Saints fan. He went on to tell me that Burley is not what he seems. He surrounds himself with with pyscophants and is very much someone who has his favourites.

 

The Echo are aware of all this and are trying to entice my friend to go public but he is reluctant out of what harm it may do the club. He worked for Saints for about 9 years and has much loyalty. Actually I have just realised I have nearly given his identity away so if you realise who it is please say nothing for now. There will be a time and place to reveal all but best hang fire.

 

Apologies OB - I had completely forgotten that story. I still stand by it because of the source - I was merely telling you privately what I was told by a good authority.

 

Still don't remember the faling asleep story though.

 

When I next see my source I will ask him if he will go public - as i say he is still a well respected figure in medical circles.