Mr X Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 I'm not calling for pardews head he is the best we could have hoped for in terms of experience. Is one win in ten acceptable? The non entities down the road aren't settling for zero wins in 7, Hart is a dead man walking. 1 win in ten is absolute relegation form. Simple question how long are you prepared to wait for the next win? And how long do you expect the board to give him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 I'm not calling for pardews head he is the best we could have hoped for in terms of experience. Is one win in ten acceptable? The non entities down the road aren't settling for zero wins in 7, Hart is a dead man walking. 1 win in ten is absolute relegation form. Simple question how long are you prepared to wait for the next win? And how long do you expect the board to give him? Must beat Gillingham for me. Probably back him blindly for another month or two Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_saints Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 No win in the next 3 games then I want him out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 Must beat Gillingham for me. Probably back him blindly for another month or two Something like that for me too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 While football is about results, it's not always is it. Look at who we have played and where they are in the table. If we play like we did last night for the remainder of the season we will beat most clubs. I fully expect us to beat Gillingham. So that will resolve the question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints_is_the_south Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 Got to win on Saturday fo sho. Results simply have to start picking up NOW, carry on with 1 win from 10 all season and we'll be playing in league 2 next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 30 September, 2009 Author Share Posted 30 September, 2009 Im seriously worried because at the current rate we havent a chance in hell of staying in this league its going to take a miracle as it is when we are still ten points from safety. Having said that there are glimpses of potential. Do we just have to hope the team suddenly clicks? it seems we have some good individual players but we arent working well as a team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chocco boxo Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 Until last night we were unbeaten in six?? If we win Saturday and string another unbeaten run together including a couple of victories all should be ok...BIG IF ! St Marys definately goes against us, big day for other team (thats not bigging us up just fact) the other teams supporters rise to the occasion as do the players it seems. I feel our players seem to be treading on egg shells. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorningtonCrescent Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 Five Years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 Five Years? Could watch them play Eastleigh by then.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints_is_the_south Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 Until last night we were unbeaten in six?? If we win Saturday and string another unbeaten run together including a couple of victories all should be ok...BIG IF ! 5 of those 6 were draws though, this is the main problem we appear to be having. Untill we can learn how to kill teams off ala last night then we are going to draw/lose more games than we win. We need to go on another unbeaten run of 6 games of so, but this time 5 of them being wins would be good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broncoboy Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 Not calling for his head in anyway but we need to be more commited to win matches. Our lack of confidence just asks for a team to keep coming at us. Next victory Saturday or it could be twelfth of never. "No- win( can we beat last seaons total of wins)- Pardew" master of the League Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 IMO if we are still in the relegation zone on jan 1st 2010 then he should resign before he is sacked IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Will Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 IMO if we are still in the relegation zone on jan 1st 2010 then he should resign before he is sacked IMO not relegation zone.....if we're bottom and still adrift, then maybe. But if we're borderline - only a point or two from safety - I think he should carry on. Because we'd have a better chance of getting out of it if we had continuity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 not relegation zone.....if we're bottom and still adrift, then maybe. But if we're borderline - only a point or two from safety - I think he should carry on. Because we'd have a better chance of getting out of it if we had continuity. agree with that - fair assessment. if we're 10, or more points adrift in Jan - then it's game over for him. def. i think he'd resign if it was like that anyway.....but i honestly believe we'll be out of the bottom 4 before xmas..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a1ex2001 Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 My knife is already drawn, if we loose again on the weekend expect half the crowds knives to be out. Relegation form, which is unquestionably what we are showing is not acceptable from this expensively assembled squad. We can't afford to entertain Pardews failings for long every missed win pushes us further into the relegation battle that we are already up too our necks in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 We need to be out of the relegation zone by xmas or AP should go imo. 15 points every 10 games (over a season) would leave us mid table(ish) this should be the absolute minimum acceptable return from the next 10 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offix Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 Our only goals this season are survival and building a team that can get us promoted next season. As long as there is a reasonable expectation that these goals can be met we should continue as we are. There has been improvement in the level of talent in the squad. There has been improvement in the motivation. There has been improvement in the level of fitness. We are harder to beat. Steady as she goes then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 Saturday is a must win game in my book. Pardew and the players might not like the pressure, but that's the nature of football - if you can't take the heat stay out of the kitchen. No more excuses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_bert Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 It may seem knee jerk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_bert Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 It may seem knee jerk on my part but I am under the impression in my own mind that we simply will not prosper under AP reign. Time after time the lessons are not being learnt. At WHU and Charlton his negative tactics were bemoaned by their fans, they can't all be wrong can they? There being used here aswell it's there for us all to see. How many leads have been lost this season already. He needs results fast. Anything less than 4 wins this month is when I shall have confirmed in my own mind, what I'm trying to repress already All IMO of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexstar Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 If we're in a relegation battle come march then i'll want him out. He had about 6 weeks to rustle a team together, most other teams in this division had 3 months. Give it time FFS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Sea Saint Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 Give him all the time he needs. We need consistency now, not another manager. No pre-season, new signings, still pretty much an inexperienced team - you have to give them time. We might be in this division for another season, but after the low we've experienced I'm happy to give Pardew, et al all the time they need. We are not Premier League, nor Championship anymore. Who would come in with better experience that Pardew? Forget your WGSs and your Keegans. We're fortunate to have a manager of Pardew's calibre in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wightman35 Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 IMO if we are still in the relegation zone on jan 1st 2010 then he should resign before he is sacked IMO Good point; but will that be too late? Is our team selection right? Should we play 4-4-2? Why do we have no width or pace? It is all too depressing:( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 After our home game against Southend. That will be the time to assess how Pardew has performed and until then any talk of 'sacking timeframes' is alarmist, counterproductive and frankly the impatient ramblings of the quick fix brigade who not content with having someone save our club now expect them to put up with their whinging, 10 games into a brand new area. Not sure if it's sad, pathetic or moronic or any combination of the three. I just hope against hope that none of the more idiotic posts get back to the management and owner of this club. If I was Mr Liebherr and read some of these comments about the team he has put together I would walk away, wondering what the small dent in my pension was. Get a reality check some of you please and quick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 After our home game against Southend. That will be the time to assess how Pardew has performed and until then any talk of 'sacking timeframes' is alarmist, counterproductive and frankly the impatient ramblings of the quick fix brigade who not content with having someone save our club now expect them to put up with their whinging, 10 games into a brand new area. Not sure if it's sad, pathetic or moronic or any combination of the three. I just hope against hope that none of the more idiotic posts get back to the management and owner of this club. If I was Mr Liebherr and read some of these comments about the team he has put together I would walk away, wondering what the small dent in my pension was. Get a reality check some of you please and quick. I must be joining the lunatic fringe as I find myself agreeing with one of your posts... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 I wouldn't sack him at all. I still believe he is a good manager - probably better grade than we could get on the open market. I think there is more likelihood that he will choose to leave us, if we spit bile at him the way some posters are doing already. I don't know what the answer is, I really don't, but i don't think showing Pardew the door is the answer at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 If we're in a relegation battle come march then i'll want him out. He had about 6 weeks to rustle a team together, most other teams in this division had 3 months. Give it time FFS. That's the point we just don't have unlimited time - nobody does in football . Unless we were fortunate enough to find another manager of Nigel Pearson's calibre it would probably be too late by next March to affect a season saving change of manager . Timing is everything both in comedy and football management it seems , this is not yet the time to sack Pardew but he's living on borrowed time now . Beat Gillingham on Saturday and then maintain a reasonable standard throughout the crucial October - December period . My definition of reasonable is that we should be no worse than 4/5th bottom on 1-12-09 . Anything less than that and the club should be looking for a new gaffer as a early Christmas present to its long suffering supporters . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junction 9 Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 I am happy to give him the entire season. Let him strengthen in January and see what happens. I can't think of any managers who would be willing to come here. We have no guarantees they would do a better job anyway. We need stability and we need patience. Survival is all I was expecting this season and I can see good things coming from this side, eventually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 In an ideal world I would like to think that we could give pardew time to develop a team but this is not an ideal world. For one reason or another we have been in trouble from day one,minus points,not a good pre season,new owners etc etc ,this has all contributed to our problems on the pitch. Is pardew the right man for our club? IMO probably not,I wasn't too impressed with his appointment,he hasn't filled me with confidence and he has come across as pig headed and arrogant but he has made some good signings and for this league he is a big name manager,I just don't think he is right for this club. Perhaps the decision makers at the club rate him,who knows? Perhaps this crap start has been accounted for in the long term plan? If it has then the decision makers will be satisfied but for financial and credibility reasons they must have in their minds an expectation level,a cutoff point when they say enough is enough. If it were my club I would be dissapointed with the return for my money,good money has been spent on players and I should imagine that pardew himself doesn't come cheap so this is all adding to the pressure of the whole thing. I cannot imagine for one minute that another relegation has been written into the 5 year plan but if our current form continues then relegation will be a certainty. So where do we go from here? Have we got the luxury of time to allow pardew to do a job.....the answer to that is probably not really,having been handicapped by the -10 then something has to change/improve a long time before January as some have suggested,IMO January will be far too late to turn it round. I was talking to a few Bristol fans whilst walking back to the car last night and they were pretty much unanimous in their assessment of us,out of all the teams that were relegated from the championship,we were the one they feared the most,as it turned out they couldn't believe how fragile we were. Should pardew be given time,perhaps he should but somehow I don't think he will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 I must be joining the lunatic fringe as I find myself agreeing with one of your posts... +1 Very worried to be agreeing with Nineteen/Sundance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 +1 Very worried to be agreeing with Nineteen/Sundance Why? I don't expect you to agree with everything I say anymore than we expect Pardew to win every game between here and May 2014. I think cool heads are needed so perhaps we should start calling ourselves the lunatic fridge? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 I am happy to give him the entire season. Let him strengthen in January and see what happens. I can't think of any managers who would be willing to come here. We have no guarantees they would do a better job anyway. We need stability and we need patience. Survival is all I was expecting this season and I can see good things coming from this side, eventually. Yes I agree however if by March we are not playing well perhaps things could change. In the meantime we are surely going to beat the other clubs around the relegation zone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 I am happy to give him the entire season. Let him strengthen in January and see what happens. I can't think of any managers who would be willing to come here. We have no guarantees they would do a better job anyway. We need stability and we need patience. Survival is all I was expecting this season and I can see good things coming from this side, eventually. Agree 100% and in this instance anyone with far higher expectations and calling for the manager's head are simply wrong and dangerously so as the reality has ever been anymore than Junction 9's accurate view of proceedings. How do the dissenters think that after 10 games the owner and directors are going to view such negativity and at best such an unreasonable reaction? My guess is that Mr Liebherr needs Southampton FC a lot less than the some of us who seem to have forgotten the word 'grateful'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 Why? I don't expect you to agree with everything I say anymore than we expect Pardew to win every game between here and May 2014. I think cool heads are needed so perhaps we should start calling ourselves the lunatic fridge? because you usually end up by knocking peoplewho imo have helped shape this club and given me great joy over the last 50 years of support, saw first game August 1960 and we thumped the Skates 5-1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 I am happy to give him the entire season. Let him strengthen in January and see what happens. I can't think of any managers who would be willing to come here. We have no guarantees they would do a better job anyway. We need stability and we need patience. Survival is all I was expecting this season and I can see good things coming from this side, eventually. Are you happy to give him the entire season even if it means certain relegation? Because I would say that relegation doesn't equal stability,it would mean more upheaval,more team building and probably a different manager. The people blindly backing pardew regardless of the outcome are the nutters IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 Are you happy to give him the entire season even if it means certain relegation? Because I would say that relegation doesn't equal stability,it would mean more upheaval,more team building and probably a different manager. The people blindly backing pardew regardless of the outcome are the nutters IMO. I don't think relegation is on the cards if we continue to improve. People who bang on about our points per game ratio forget who we have played. Take at look at the difference in the stats in last night's programme between the teams we have played and those who Bristol had played. We have had some tough games thus far in terms of League position and form - as it turns out!! A point against Colchester didn't look any great shakes and then they thump Charlton 3-0!! By the end of October we will have a much better indication of where our relative position is. Losing to a team third in the league, who had won 6 of their 8 games before last night is not a reason for despair is it?? Especially not if you can point to areas of failure and identify ways to fix them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 I don't think relegation is on the cards if we continue to improve. People who bang on about our points per game ratio forget who we have played. Take at look at the difference in the stats in last night's programme between the teams we have played and those who Bristol had played. We have had some tough games thus far in terms of League position and form - as it turns out!! A point against Colchester didn't look any great shakes and then they thump Charlton 3-0!! By the end of October we will have a much better indication of where our relative position is. Losing to a team third in the league, who had won 6 of their 8 games before last night is not a reason for despair is it?? Especially not if you can point to areas of failure and identify ways to fix them. Yes agreed things went really wrong last season around Christmas when we were unable to beat fellow strugglers at home this has not happened this season and unlikely to happen however if it does something will have to be done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 I can't believe some of our fans. It is still only September and yet already Pardew's future is supposed to be in doubt. Yes it would have been nice to hit the ground running, but Pardew has been playing catch up for weeks thanks to the Pinnacle debacle. GIve the bloke some time. A question for he negative brigade. How would you like it if thousands of people looked over your shoulder and picked you apart when you were only a couple of months into a new job? Pardew, as his predessors, has a tough job. Making it tougher is not going to help SFC. If things carry on like this for any length of time I expect changes will be made. Talking about it already is just non-sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junction 9 Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 Are you happy to give him the entire season even if it means certain relegation? Because I would say that relegation doesn't equal stability,it would mean more upheaval,more team building and probably a different manager. The people blindly backing pardew regardless of the outcome are the nutters IMO. At what stage of the season could you know in advance of certain relegation? It's impossible to say. I'm saying back him for the season and let Pardew and the team do their best. We could be mid table in March, or we could be certain to be relegated, or we could stay up on the last day. We could also change the manager at Xmas and get worse. It's all if's and but's and right now I sat we go with stability. Who would you replace him with out of interest? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoffnut Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 1 win in 10 games is unacceptable and at this rate we will be relegated by Christmas. I cannot see us winning many games if the manager continues to insist that we have a good team! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 I gave Pardew and the team August and September as a honeymoon (recovery from takeover delays etc) period, and I've said that from October I'd expect a pretty decent team that's winning more often than not. The time has arrived. It's fairly clear that Pardew and the players have to up their games, starting from Saturday. There were good things to build on from Tuesday, as well as the usual gut-wrenchingly familiar weaknesses that we're all getting sick of seeing. I think Pardew will be here until Christmas at least, but at the moment Cortese must be thinking very carefully about who he wants to be spending Father Liebherr's Christmas money in the January sales... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Billy Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 After our home game against Southend. That will be the time to assess how Pardew has performed and until then any talk of 'sacking timeframes' is alarmist, counterproductive and frankly the impatient ramblings of the quick fix brigade who not content with having someone save our club now expect them to put up with their whinging, 10 games into a brand new area. Not sure if it's sad, pathetic or moronic or any combination of the three. I just hope against hope that none of the more idiotic posts get back to the management and owner of this club. If I was Mr Liebherr and read some of these comments about the team he has put together I would walk away, wondering what the small dent in my pension was. Get a reality check some of you please and quick. Jeese, how long do we have to wait for any kind of fix let alone a quick fix. Ok, we are no longer broke as a club but despite everything we are still a club that cannot produce a run of good results. Be patient, stop whinging, give them time, these words are wearing thin after 4/5 years of going through watching this team constantly churn out ****e results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisobee Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 A question for he negative brigade. How would you like it if thousands of people looked over your shoulder and picked you apart when you were only a couple of months into a new job? Not actually the right person to answer in terms of being negative but have been there and experienced it. Not nice, not fair and very stressful, I resigned in the end which seems to me what some people want. To me this is just pathetic to the point where it hardly merits a response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 After our home game against Southend. That will be the time to assess how Pardew has performed and until then any talk of 'sacking timeframes' is alarmist, counterproductive and frankly the impatient ramblings of the quick fix brigade who not content with having someone save our club now expect them to put up with their whinging, 10 games into a brand new area. Not sure if it's sad, pathetic or moronic or any combination of the three. I just hope against hope that none of the more idiotic posts get back to the management and owner of this club. If I was Mr Liebherr and read some of these comments about the team he has put together I would walk away, wondering what the small dent in my pension was. Get a reality check some of you please and quick. You preach the virtue of patience yet worshiped a chairman that got through 10 managers in as many years including sacking Paul Sturrock two games into a season! Do you suffer from a bi polar personality disorder or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 A question for he negative brigade. How would you like it if thousands of people looked over your shoulder and picked you apart when you were only a couple of months into a new job? 1. He is experienced in the job and with dealing with that environment - from management and playing days 2. The booing and sh*ttiness hasnt even started yet 3. It goes with the job - and he is paid handsomely for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 At what stage of the season could you know in advance of certain relegation? It's impossible to say. I'm saying back him for the season and let Pardew and the team do their best. We could be mid table in March, or we could be certain to be relegated, or we could stay up on the last day. We could also change the manager at Xmas and get worse. It's all if's and but's and right now I sat we go with stability. Who would you replace him with out of interest? It's a question of judgment as much as league tables and stats . I thought we were pretty good candidates for relegation last season long before we played our first game even , the season before George Burley carried the air of failure about him long before Christmas and a unlikly job offer arrived courtesy of the Scottish FA . Football history shows that the dangers of acting prematurely are as often as not matched by the equally disastrous consequences of procrastination (re Middlesborough) , on balance a reasonable fan might say that the clock is ticking on Alan Pardew's reign now unless a sustained improvement in results is realised over the next two months or so . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 At what stage of the season could you know in advance of certain relegation? It's impossible to say. I'm saying back him for the season and let Pardew and the team do their best. We could be mid table in March, or we could be certain to be relegated, or we could stay up on the last day. We could also change the manager at Xmas and get worse. It's all if's and but's and right now I sat we go with stability. Who would you replace him with out of interest? Obviously we won't be relegated until it's mathematically certain that we cannot stay up but let's say come February it looks very unlikely we will stay up do we still back pardew? To answer your question,I don't know what or who the answer is to our problems,perhaps we havnt finished falling yet?,perhaps we havnt hit rock bottom yet? Perhaps we need to take another relegation on the chin before we can rise again,who knows? What I would like to see is a manager who can get the players fit enough to play until the end and beyond if needs be (we had players last night who were blowing like an old donkey,mills who came on as sub looked like he had just smoked 40 fags before he came on,he was struggling with about 10 minutes to play) I would like a manager who shows a bit of passion and emotion from the touchline,a manager who doesn't make strange substitutions at strange times,a manager that the players listen to and want to play football for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 It's a question of judgment as much as league tables and stats . I thought we were pretty good candidates for relegation last season long before we played our first game even , the season before George Burley carried the air of failure about him long before Christmas and a unlikly job offer arrived courtesy of the Scottish FA . Football history shows that the dangers of acting prematurely are as often as not matched by the equally disastrous consequences of procrastination (re Middlesborough) , on balance a reasonable fan might say that the clock is ticking on Alan Pardew's reign now unless a sustained improvement in results is realised over the next two months or so . History does not not show that. The only research ever done into this subject to my knowledge showed that changing manager more often results in worse performances than better by a small percentage. What history tells us that successful managers stay in jobs longer and therefore those clubs that are most successful have had managers in post for longer periods on the whole - it's a self fulfilling prophecy. What WE need is what we have - a PLAN. And it's about fecking time we stuck to one for a change. The two most succesful spells in this club's history can be found when we had managers for longest... That is not to say you hold onto a manager forever in the hope he eventually succeeds but any judgement made after 9 games is at best premature, no?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 What WE need is what we have - a PLAN. And it's about fecking time we stuck to one for a change. Are we sticking to it ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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