Saint Charlie Posted 4 November, 2009 Share Posted 4 November, 2009 Says in todays Sun that he is set to join Jake Thomson at Torquay on loan. Was also interesting Charlton and Gillingham apparantly. Would be good for him to get some games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 4 November, 2009 Share Posted 4 November, 2009 A good move all round. Torquay need goals and he needs proper grown-up games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chocco boxo Posted 4 November, 2009 Share Posted 4 November, 2009 Have we got some sort of contact at Torquay or a tie in at Torquay? Rather it be that way so you know that the young players are being well coached and looked after? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted 4 November, 2009 Share Posted 4 November, 2009 Would be a good move for all concerned. Matt needs games and he's nowhere near the first-team at the minute. Makes sense, and the move will benefit both Paterson and Saints long-term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teamsaint Posted 4 November, 2009 Share Posted 4 November, 2009 he will make into a good player one day. Needs games now. In the old days would have been learning his trade in proper reserve team football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junior Mullet Posted 4 November, 2009 Share Posted 4 November, 2009 he will make into a good player one day. Needs games now. In the old days would have been learning his trade in proper reserve team football. I share your sentiments - it was abserd how they changed the ressie set up for Premiership only teams. With our youngsters and fringe players we used to walk those leagues!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 4 November, 2009 Share Posted 4 November, 2009 Sky Sports seem to think he's rejected the chance to go on loan either to Torquay or Gillingham with a view to fighting for a place here. Credit where it's due for wanting to do so, but I also suspect in the bigger picture, he would have been better served going away and getting near-guaranteed first-team football elsewhere for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 4 November, 2009 Share Posted 4 November, 2009 Sky Sports seem to think he's rejected the chance to go on loan either to Torquay or Gillingham with a view to fighting for a place here. Credit where it's due for wanting to do so, but I also suspect in the bigger picture, he would have been better served going away and getting near-guaranteed first-team football elsewhere for a while. There might be more to it than that, I understand that he is shy and underconfident. It's possible he isn't comfortable moving away. I think it would do him good, he has the makings but needs to build up his confidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clifford Nelson Posted 4 November, 2009 Share Posted 4 November, 2009 If the reason for him turning down the loan move is correct he is very wrong. He hopefully has got a future here, but he is nowhere near the first team and a spell away would do him good and widen his horizons. If he is so shy so that he can't stretch to a spell away, then he is not mature enough to succeed as a professional footballer yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 4 November, 2009 Share Posted 4 November, 2009 If last season's management and board were here this season, Paterson would have become our number one striker. Thank God for investment. Not a black mark against Paterson, but he would have been carrying our hopes and the -10 points on his shoulders in his first pro season. Unless we play 442, he should definitely go out on loan. Lambert, Lallana, Waigo, Connolly and even Saga must all be ahead of him in the pecking order currently. The experience will do him the world of good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopkins Posted 4 November, 2009 Share Posted 4 November, 2009 To be fair if Lambert gets injured, i'd prefer and expect him to be ahead of Saga so fair play if he has turned it down. Wouldn't be suprised if he got some sort of run out against Torquay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ooohTerryHurlock Posted 4 November, 2009 Share Posted 4 November, 2009 Sky Sports seem to think he's rejected the chance to go on loan either to Torquay or Gillingham with a view to fighting for a place here. Credit where it's due for wanting to do so, but I also suspect in the bigger picture, he would have been better served going away and getting near-guaranteed first-team football elsewhere for a while. agreed.... saw him at Forest Green in the resies recently and he did n't shine.. althought the lad did feel poorly before the game...jury is still out for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 4 November, 2009 Share Posted 4 November, 2009 Says in todays Sun that he is set to join Jake Thomson at Torquay on loan. Was also interesting Charlton and Gillingham apparantly. Would be good for him to get some games. There used to be a rule that no team could loan more than 2 players from another team. Unless that rule has changed I would treat the story in the Sun with the contempt it deserves. With Poke and Thomson already with the Gulls I don't see how Matt could go there as well. Other than the pictures, and updates on some nomark Soap stars I would be suspcious of anything written in that rag (or any of the other red tops for that matter). Of course if true then I would be delighted as Torquay are and always have been my 2nd team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint63 Posted 4 November, 2009 Share Posted 4 November, 2009 There used to be a rule that no team could loan more than 2 players from another team. Unless that rule has changed I would treat the story in the Sun with the contempt it deserves. With Poke and Thomson already with the Gulls I don't see how Matt could go there as well. Other than the pictures, and updates on some nomark Soap stars I would be suspcious of anything written in that rag (or any of the other red tops for that matter). Of course if true then I would be delighted as Torquay are and always have been my 2nd team. For those of us liviing in Torbay it will save a lot of money and time watching the Saints! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
callysaint76 Posted 4 November, 2009 Share Posted 4 November, 2009 He is awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JibMcdo Posted 4 November, 2009 Share Posted 4 November, 2009 There used to be a rule that no team could loan more than 2 players from another team. Unless that rule has changed I would treat the story in the Sun with the contempt it deserves. With Poke and Thomson already with the Gulls I don't see how Matt could go there as well. Other than the pictures, and updates on some nomark Soap stars I would be suspcious of anything written in that rag (or any of the other red tops for that matter). Of course if true then I would be delighted as Torquay are and always have been my 2nd team. That rules only applies to under 23s and as Thomson is definitely under 23 it wouldn't matter. A team can loan up to four players from any team. Torquay are my first team with Saints as my second so I'm enjoying this new found relationship the two clubs seem to have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team-saint Posted 4 November, 2009 Share Posted 4 November, 2009 He is awful. very insightful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katalinic Posted 5 November, 2009 Share Posted 5 November, 2009 He is awful. No he isn't - good first touch and brings others into play well. Just needs some more experience so I would have thought a loan move would have done him some good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughieslastminutegoal Posted 5 November, 2009 Share Posted 5 November, 2009 he will make into a good player one day. Needs games now. In the old days would have been learning his trade in proper reserve team football. Isn't it amazing that the richest professional football league set up in the world cannot get proper reserve team football organised effectively. Especially in the Prem, how much talent is unchallenged and virtually unwatched. R I D I C U L O U S. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northam Girls Posted 5 November, 2009 Share Posted 5 November, 2009 Says in todays Sun that he is set to join Jake Thomson at Torquay on loan. Was also interesting Charlton and Gillingham apparantly. Would be good for him to get some games. If they keep borrowing our players we'll have 2 teams to watch - Jake, Matty and don't forget Micheal Poke is there too :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oxfordshire_saint Posted 5 November, 2009 Share Posted 5 November, 2009 He's got more chance of breaking into the first team if he goes away on loan and impresses. As long as there is a recall clause inserted, we can have him back if we get blighted by injuries. He needs games, goals and confidence, he's not going to get that sitting on our bench, so if he has turned down a loan move then his mentality has to be called into question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 5 November, 2009 Share Posted 5 November, 2009 Sky Sports seem to think he's rejected the chance to go on loan either to Torquay or Gillingham with a view to fighting for a place here. Credit where it's due for wanting to do so, but I also suspect in the bigger picture, he would have been better served going away and getting near-guaranteed first-team football elsewhere for a while. If Lambert gets injured would he not ciome straight in to the reckoning? I'm not sure I'd fancy Connelly up front on his own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Posted 5 November, 2009 Share Posted 5 November, 2009 If Lambert gets injured would he not ciome straight in to the reckoning? I'm not sure I'd fancy Connelly up front on his own. I hope not. I've not been impressed with what i've seen of him. A loan spell will do everyone the world of good. If Lambert is injured i'd like to see Connolly in his place, although i know he probably wouldn't be able to play a full 90, maybe Lallana. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopGun Posted 5 November, 2009 Share Posted 5 November, 2009 He is awful. Gary Neville commented he will be "a monster" after watching him demolish the Man U defence a couple of years back in the FA Youth Cup... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 5 November, 2009 Share Posted 5 November, 2009 I hope not. I've not been impressed with what i've seen of him. A loan spell will do everyone the world of good. If Lambert is injured i'd like to see Connolly in his place, although i know he probably wouldn't be able to play a full 90, maybe Lallana. Saga Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 5 November, 2009 Share Posted 5 November, 2009 It appears from what I have been told that the problem with Matt Paterson is that he is a shy quiet lad who presently lacks confidence. If the rumour that he has turned down a spell at Torquay is correct it might be because he does not have the confidence to go elsewhere. The lad needs to get games and goals so that his confidence improves and his reported talent can shine through. He is not good enough for the first team yet. When he has played he has looked like a fish out of water. He needs to be managed well. Pardew will be able to do that, I am sure, but a spell on loan to a lower division club would seem to be the best approach becasue he now needs games and goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewell Posted 5 November, 2009 Share Posted 5 November, 2009 If you are unable to see the potential in Matt Patterson then I cannot see any reason to give any more of your postings the once over. He will be a very good player one day and a loan spell would do him the world of good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamesaint Posted 5 November, 2009 Share Posted 5 November, 2009 If you are unable to see the potential in Matt Patterson then I cannot see any reason to give any more of your postings the once over. He will be a very good player one day and a loan spell would do him the world of good. +1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adelfas31 Posted 5 November, 2009 Share Posted 5 November, 2009 I got his shirt at Carlisle where Matt was an unused sub, when the players went all giddy and threw their shirts unto the adoring masses, most of us drunk on the euphoria of a magnificent 1-1 draw with a crack Cumbrian outfit. Barcelona will be his next move I thought and this shirt will build me a new house. Torquay. I must admit I'm a tad disappointed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rooney Posted 5 November, 2009 Share Posted 5 November, 2009 He will be ok given time. No worse than BT when we first signed him at that age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junior Mullet Posted 6 November, 2009 Share Posted 6 November, 2009 If you are unable to see the potential in Matt Patterson then I cannot see any reason to give any more of your postings the once over. He will be a very good player one day and a loan spell would do him the world of good. -1 He's just not athletic enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 6 November, 2009 Share Posted 6 November, 2009 -1 He's just not athletic enough. :confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Banana Factor Posted 6 November, 2009 Share Posted 6 November, 2009 If he has rejected a loan move he should be fired immediately unless there are some mitigating circumstance. He is supposed, at this stage of his career, to be hungry and want to progress as high as he can, he has a terrific manager who has worked hard to get him a loan move to a club within the football league. Many of our youngsters are no in footballing backwaters. Rejecting this move is disrespecting pardew in my opinion and showing that he doesnt have the balls to be as good as he can be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 6 November, 2009 Share Posted 6 November, 2009 If he has rejected a loan move he should be fired immediately unless there are some mitigating circumstance. He is supposed, at this stage of his career, to be hungry and want to progress as high as he can, he has a terrific manager who has worked hard to get him a loan move to a club within the football league. Many of our youngsters are no in footballing backwaters. Rejecting this move is disrespecting pardew in my opinion and showing that he doesnt have the balls to be as good as he can be. :confused: slighty ott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 6 November, 2009 Share Posted 6 November, 2009 If he has rejected a loan move he should be fired immediately unless there are some mitigating circumstance. He is supposed, at this stage of his career, to be hungry and want to progress as high as he can, he has a terrific manager who has worked hard to get him a loan move to a club within the football league. Many of our youngsters are no in footballing backwaters. Rejecting this move is disrespecting pardew in my opinion and showing that he doesnt have the balls to be as good as he can be. what a load of old cack. For starters you have no idea how hard it was to get the loan move. For all you know Torquay or who ever it was called AP and asked if he was available to loan. Rejecting a loan move is not a crime. If you want to impress the manager you are going to struggle to do so being 200 miles away. Yes he needs game, but he, like I, might just think that an injury to Lambert would see an opening for a striker that can actually win headers. Perhaps also he has the confidence to think that he can break into the side. For me he is going to be a very good player in time. Once bad game against Colchester does not make him a bad player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Saints Posted 6 November, 2009 Share Posted 6 November, 2009 He will be a decent striker. Not a future England international but good enough to have a decent career. However, if he is not confident enough to make a move to Tourquay where he already knows 2 of the lads there then he never will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crowds Posted 6 November, 2009 Share Posted 6 November, 2009 He needs to mature, get in the gym and get some strength as he's way too lightweight atm! Has potential but lets be honest 6 years ago wouldn't have got near our ressys let alone first team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junior Mullet Posted 6 November, 2009 Share Posted 6 November, 2009 He will be a decent striker. Not a future England international . He was well thought of at Scottish youth level when we poached him from Bournemouth, so he would be unlikley to play for England even if he was good enough. By way of elaboration on my earlier post for the quizzed-looking-smiley-thingy: He's not quick, has no acceleration, lacks stamina, is not agile and hasn't learnt to use his strength yet. At his age I would expect a forward to be able to use at least one of those traits to good advantage. He's not got the technique to bury long range efforts either (mostly down to lack of foot-eye nural co-ordination which inhibits a lot of taller players, yes Crouchie and Usaine Bolt are exceptions to the rule). Compare his athletisism to our exisitng strikers: Lambert - uses his strength exceptionally well and has very good foot/eye co-ordination (shown in his free kicks and the goal against MK) Lallana - agility, accelration and cordination and technique Papa - acceleration, pace, agility Saga - strength and stamina Jamie White - acceleration, agility and coordination and technique I would put all of the above ahead of him in the pecking order. Sadly for Patto there seems to be a few decent nippers coming through the ranks now which I'm sure will lead to us off-loading him shortly. The one thing he seems good at is flicking the ball on to runners - a tactic he's seemingly been asked to employ at Ressie and youthe level for us. Perosnally I don't think that's enough, nor is it a trait AP seems particularly interested in using. As I say on every post regarding Patto, I would dearly love to be proved wrong but I just can't see it happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doughnutman Posted 6 November, 2009 Share Posted 6 November, 2009 He was well thought of at Scottish youth level when we poached him from Bournemouth, so he would be unlikley to play for England even if he was good enough. By way of elaboration on my earlier post for the quizzed-looking-smiley-thingy: He's not quick, has no acceleration, lacks stamina, is not agile and hasn't learnt to use his strength yet. At his age I would expect a forward to be able to use at least one of those traits to good advantage. He's not got the technique to bury long range efforts either (mostly down to lack of foot-eye nural co-ordination which inhibits a lot of taller players, yes Crouchie and Usaine Bolt are exceptions to the rule). Compare his athletisism to our exisitng strikers: Lambert - uses his strength exceptionally well and has very good foot/eye co-ordination (shown in his free kicks and the goal against MK) Lallana - agility, accelration and cordination and technique Papa - acceleration, pace, agility Saga - strength and stamina Jamie White - acceleration, agility and coordination and technique I would put all of the above ahead of him in the pecking order. Sadly for Patto there seems to be a few decent nippers coming through the ranks now which I'm sure will lead to us off-loading him shortly. The one thing he seems good at is flicking the ball on to runners - a tactic he's seemingly been asked to employ at Ressie and youthe level for us. Perosnally I don't think that's enough, nor is it a trait AP seems particularly interested in using. As I say on every post regarding Patto, I would dearly love to be proved wrong but I just can't see it happening. speaking of which how is he getting on at eastleigh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
callysaint76 Posted 6 November, 2009 Share Posted 6 November, 2009 Unless he beefs up then he won't make it in this league or above, too lightweight and no pace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junior Mullet Posted 6 November, 2009 Share Posted 6 November, 2009 Yes he needs game, but he, like I, might just think that an injury to Lambert would see an opening for a striker that can actually win headers. I would prefer to play a striker who will score goals. As for Jamie White, in response to the above poster, I have no idea how he is getting on at Eastleigh and I don't really care. IMO he has more about him than Patto and if both were given a run in the first team I believe White would score more and generally offer more of a threat going forward. My opinion is based on having watched the two play lots of ressie football and youth football over the past few years and not based on how a youngster gets on with an underachieving non league team in a relatively poor standard division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 6 November, 2009 Share Posted 6 November, 2009 Loan move would give him much needed experience and imrove his physical fitness which i was a bit worried about from watching him come on as sub at Stockport and look knackered very quickly. He's still young and has plenty of time to improve yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 6 November, 2009 Share Posted 6 November, 2009 He's in the squad for tonights game, so he clearly hasn't gone on loan yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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