alpine_saint Posted 16 September, 2008 Share Posted 16 September, 2008 I havent started a thread in ages, but an article by Illingsworth on his site has piisssed me off. He's lecturing about fans demonstrating their support of the club by handing their money over unthinking again. So here's a challenge for Rupert Lowe - Why dont you demonstrate YOUR commitment to the rescue of SFC (a mess you created) by saying that you will forego a weeks salary every time the attendance at SMS exceeds 22,000 ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Bates Posted 16 September, 2008 Share Posted 16 September, 2008 I like that idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 16 September, 2008 Share Posted 16 September, 2008 wait for "why should he " ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 16 September, 2008 Share Posted 16 September, 2008 wait for "why should he " ? Why should he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Bates Posted 16 September, 2008 Share Posted 16 September, 2008 Wait for the answer "to demonstrate his commitment to the rescue of SFC" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 16 September, 2008 Share Posted 16 September, 2008 could argue as owner/investor/employee he doesn't need to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 16 September, 2008 Share Posted 16 September, 2008 That's not a bad idea actually. He won't though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 16 September, 2008 Share Posted 16 September, 2008 fair point TBH. Something most of the boys at the top could think about. wont happen though as the risk of gates constantly being over 22000 would mean he would be working for free. Not sure how your finances are but I doubt there are many that can afford to work for free at the mo. Something along the lines you suggested though would go down a treat if it got more people in the door and showed that ole Rupes is doing something to help the club that we can all see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintbob40 Posted 16 September, 2008 Share Posted 16 September, 2008 why doesn't Oliver Lancashire challenge him? He'll get there as quick as he can....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 16 September, 2008 Share Posted 16 September, 2008 load of tosh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 16 September, 2008 Share Posted 16 September, 2008 I havent started a thread in ages, but an article by Illingsworth on his site has piisssed me off. He's lecturing about fans demonstrating their support of the club by handing their money over unthinking again. So here's a challenge for Rupert Lowe - Why dont you demonstrate YOUR commitment to the rescue of SFC (a mess you created) by saying that you will forego a weeks salary every time the attendance at SMS exceeds 22,000 ??? To be honest, as a non-paying non-attendee of St Mary's I don't feel you have any right to ask anyone to pay anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fowllyd Posted 16 September, 2008 Share Posted 16 September, 2008 I havent started a thread in ages, but an article by Illingsworth on his site has piisssed me off. He's lecturing about fans demonstrating their support of the club by handing their money over unthinking again. So here's a challenge for Rupert Lowe - Why dont you demonstrate YOUR commitment to the rescue of SFC (a mess you created) by saying that you will forego a weeks salary every time the attendance at SMS exceeds 22,000 ??? Don't want to seem picky, but are you sure you meant 'exceeds' - I'd have thought it would make more sense if he were to forego a week's salary if attendance is below 22,000, not above... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scummer Posted 16 September, 2008 Share Posted 16 September, 2008 Don't want to seem picky, but are you sure you meant 'exceeds' - I'd have thought it would make more sense if he were to forego a week's salary if attendance is below 22,000, not above... But that would encourage people to stay away............... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 16 September, 2008 Share Posted 16 September, 2008 load of tosh I agree when its just aimed at 1 person but the board as a whole hae got a long way to go to redeem themselves in many of the fans eyes, so something like this even if it was only a 1 off or 1nce a month would would show the fans that the board are in it with us and not against us. How about if the attendances are on average over 22,000 in a calendar month then each board member stumps up the cost of a season ticket. That would equate to more money through the turnstyles and a few K extra from the board. It can only be a good thing for the club when we are without cash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 16 September, 2008 Share Posted 16 September, 2008 But that would encourage people to stay away............... do they need any Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen Posted 16 September, 2008 Share Posted 16 September, 2008 I havent started a thread in ages, but an article by Illingsworth on his site has piisssed me off. He's lecturing about fans demonstrating their support of the club by handing their money over unthinking again. So here's a challenge for Rupert Lowe - Why dont you demonstrate YOUR commitment to the rescue of SFC (a mess you created) by saying that you will forego a weeks salary every time the attendance at SMS exceeds 22,000 ??? If the three days since you last started a thread counts as "ages" I'm not surprised some posters are already calling for JP's head. After all, he's had even more ages. On the more substantive point (although I couldn't understand your second sentence), do you know how much Rupert's weekly salary is (just so we know how much difference this would make)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 16 September, 2008 Share Posted 16 September, 2008 Should any Director/CEO/Executive forego salary if there is a downturn in business ? bonus' etc.. yes but salary No, where do you stop, should JP forego his, the players forego theirs what about those charged with marketing ? should the curry deal for the Ipswich game be a dishaster do the those responsible for marketing forego theirs ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 16 September, 2008 Share Posted 16 September, 2008 i make no secret of my loathing for Rupert and his group but to be fair to him this thread should be aimed at Messrs Askham, Richards,Gordon and our Coroner who have had big money out of the club. But i will not hold my breath Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fowllyd Posted 16 September, 2008 Share Posted 16 September, 2008 Don't want to seem picky, but are you sure you meant 'exceeds' - I'd have thought it would make more sense if he were to forego a week's salary if attendance is below 22,000, not above... But that would encourage people to stay away............... Then people will be put off turning up to make sure he doesn't get paid. Speaking of which, does he get paid? Ah, OK - I can see Alpine's point now. Can't see it happening though, for a variety of reasons. As far as I know Lowe is paid; he's effectively the chief exec so it would be odd if he weren't. Jones will obviously be paid as FD, don't know about Wilde or Cowen though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 16 September, 2008 Share Posted 16 September, 2008 Nice idea, but as we seem to have already been told that the directors are only working 3 days a week due to our financial state, not sure how much "money" this would save. Then due to the fact that too many fans have selective memories or an axe to grind, it wouldn't work because somebody somewhere would start the "it's all a marketing gimmick, it's spin, he was never taking a salary only a bonus, he'll still take money out by the backdoor, how much do we pay Wilde/Lowe etc in travel expenses??? Nice idea, nice concept, would like to see something tried But this one Totally unworkable in reality Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 16 September, 2008 Share Posted 16 September, 2008 fair point TBH. Something most of the boys at the top could think about. wont happen though as the risk of gates constantly being over 22000 would mean he would be working for free. Not sure how your finances are but I doubt there are many that can afford to work for free at the mo. Something along the lines you suggested though would go down a treat if it got more people in the door and showed that ole Rupes is doing something to help the club that we can all see. How about only gets half his weekly salary..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 16 September, 2008 Share Posted 16 September, 2008 I havent started a thread in ages, but an article by Illingsworth on his site has piisssed me off. He's lecturing about fans demonstrating their support of the club by handing their money over unthinking again. So here's a challenge for Rupert Lowe - Why dont you demonstrate YOUR commitment to the rescue of SFC (a mess you created) by saying that you will forego a weeks salary every time the attendance at SMS exceeds 22,000 ??? I never think when i buy a ticket. I'm stoopid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 16 September, 2008 Share Posted 16 September, 2008 I see where you are coming from but it would only be criticised if he did. There would be posts of 'well he can afford it' etc etc it wouldnt gain much for the club.Although if it meant more fans turning up it would be a brilliant idea, and constructive. i wonder if the club have sold any advertising in the corners like I suggested to them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 16 September, 2008 Author Share Posted 16 September, 2008 Mixed reactions to my idea, I note. Yes, this may not be a huge amount of money we are talking about, but its pretty powerful symbolism, and it would take the wind out of the sail of those who argue "not spending my money on a ticket in order to line Lowe's pocket". My understanding is that both boards only comprise of the same 4 people, and that Cowen and Wilde arent paid, so that only leaves Jones who is apparently FT without other external interests, so this is hardly picking on Lowe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 16 September, 2008 Share Posted 16 September, 2008 I see where you are coming from but it would only be criticised if he did. There would be posts of 'well he can afford it' etc etc it wouldnt gain much for the club.Although if it meant more fans turning up it would be a brilliant idea, and constructive. i wonder if the club have sold any advertising in the corners like I suggested to them? I've got an even better idea. Why don't we rent the vacant space out to corner shops? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 16 September, 2008 Share Posted 16 September, 2008 Mixed reactions to my idea, I note. Yes, this may not be a huge amount of money we are talking about, but its pretty powerful symbolism, and it would take the wind out of the sail of those who argue "not spending my money on a ticket in order to line Lowe's pocket". My understanding is that both boards only comprise of the same 4 people, and that Cowen and Wilde arent paid, so that only leaves Jones who is apparently FT without other external interests, so this is hardly picking on Lowe. It has many plusses in a symbolic nature and as you rightly say fans could not then ay about putting money in his pocket etc. Personally I believe all the normal complimentary tickets should be withdrawn except for the bank and people who actually sponsor parts of the club ie Ford McDonalds ,Orchard homes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SP Saint Posted 16 September, 2008 Share Posted 16 September, 2008 I havent started a thread in ages, but an article by Illingsworth on his site has piisssed me off. He's lecturing about fans demonstrating their support of the club by handing their money over unthinking again. So here's a challenge for Rupert Lowe - Why dont you demonstrate YOUR commitment to the rescue of SFC (a mess you created) by saying that you will forego a weeks salary every time the attendance at SMS exceeds 22,000 ??? I can't really see why Lowe or anyone at Saints should want to take a blind bit of notice of a mouthy ex-pat who never sets foot in the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Second Coming Posted 16 September, 2008 Share Posted 16 September, 2008 I would like to know/see how Rupert is contributing to the coffers of the club. My gut feel is that I have invested more this season in our survival than he has. The club hasn't paid me, yet I've paid them AND brought extra people to the games, and tried (unceremoniously) to rally people to the cause. I want NOTHING for this, but some evidence he's doing ALL he can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Second Coming Posted 16 September, 2008 Share Posted 16 September, 2008 Even the gnomes have contributed £3000!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 16 September, 2008 Share Posted 16 September, 2008 how about this for an idea....... how about everybody who say they support saints but never go to st marys or never buy any merchandise actually try attending or at least spend a few quid in the megastore? just an idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 16 September, 2008 Author Share Posted 16 September, 2008 how about this for an idea....... how about everybody who say they support saints but never go to st marys or never buy any merchandise actually try attending or at least spend a few quid in the megastore? just an idea. So, you think that sneering and goading and using barbed comments on an internet chatsite is a better approach than the Chairman who played no small role in creating this mess entering into a "partnership" with the fan-base along the lines of what I have proposed ? Rightyho..... Sorry I dared suggest something out-field, Mr Hard-Core Über Fan... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 16 September, 2008 Author Share Posted 16 September, 2008 I can't really see why Lowe or anyone at Saints should want to take a blind bit of notice of a mouthy ex-pat who never sets foot in the ground. How do you know I never set foot in the ground ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 16 September, 2008 Share Posted 16 September, 2008 Illingsworth ****es you off, so you have a go at Lowe? The wife ****es you off, and you have a go at Lowe. Dog craps on the carpet, so you have a go at Lowe. Ad infinitum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 16 September, 2008 Share Posted 16 September, 2008 how about this for an idea....... how about everybody who say they support saints but never go to st marys or never buy any merchandise actually try attending or at least spend a few quid in the megastore? just an idea. There is no point in having a dig at those that cant make it week in week out or cant afford to to spend loads in the megastore. Alp's has a point IMO. Those in the board could probably afford stumping up the kind of figures that have been quoted without it putting a dent on there lifes. But it would be a positive move in terms of getting the fans through the gate with a smile on there face knowing Rupes is out of pocket. He would probably get the money back in bonus' anyway as with higher numbers we would get more revenue which means less cuts and a possibly stronger position in the transfer market. I know this wouldnt mean we could go on a spending spree but it might make the difference in wages when trying to get someone or even keep someone. There are as many of us ready to have a dig at Rupes as there is ready to have a dig at Alps. I will hold my hand up and admit that every time I see Alpine has started a thread I am expecting negitive coments that we have heard a thousand times by many more than Alps. If this thread had come from someone else I reckon many more would be ready to entertain the idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 16 September, 2008 Share Posted 16 September, 2008 There is no point in having a dig at those that cant make it week in week out or cant afford to to spend loads in the megastore. Alp's has a point IMO. Those in the board could probably afford stumping up the kind of figures that have been quoted without it putting a dent on there lifes. But it would be a positive move in terms of getting the fans through the gate with a smile on there face knowing Rupes is out of pocket. He would probably get the money back in bonus' anyway as with higher numbers we would get more revenue which means less cuts and a possibly stronger position in the transfer market. I know this wouldnt mean we could go on a spending spree but it might make the difference in wages when trying to get someone or even keep someone. There are as many of us ready to have a dig at Rupes as there is ready to have a dig at Alps. I will hold my hand up and admit that every time I see Alpine has started a thread I am expecting negitive coments that we have heard a thousand times by many more than Alps. If this thread had come from someone else I reckon many more would be ready to entertain the idea. Iagree with a lot of that but I suggest that some posters put others backs up more regularily than others.I do categorise myself in that. I prefer Alpine being constructive rather being destructive and so am right behind his sentiments on this 1 issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 16 September, 2008 Share Posted 16 September, 2008 how about this for an idea....... how about everybody who say they support saints but never go to st marys or never buy any merchandise actually try attending or at least spend a few quid in the megastore? just an idea.that is alos a blo### good idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SP Saint Posted 16 September, 2008 Share Posted 16 September, 2008 How do you know I never set foot in the ground ? Am I wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Le Shearer Posted 16 September, 2008 Share Posted 16 September, 2008 Mixed reactions to my idea, I note. Yes, this may not be a huge amount of money we are talking about, but its pretty powerful symbolism, and it would take the wind out of the sail of those who argue "not spending my money on a ticket in order to line Lowe's pocket". Thats a very a good point, and I like the idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 16 September, 2008 Author Share Posted 16 September, 2008 Am I wrong? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyFartPants Posted 16 September, 2008 Share Posted 16 September, 2008 Yes. How wrong though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 16 September, 2008 Share Posted 16 September, 2008 Iagree with a lot of that but I suggest that some posters put others backs up more regularily than others.I do categorise myself in that. I prefer Alpine being constructive rather being destructive and so am right behind his sentiments on this 1 issue. Thats what I am saying. its easy to just disagree with someone because they are not liked but its allot harder for people to agree with them when they do have a good point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 16 September, 2008 Share Posted 16 September, 2008 I like that idea. For goodness sake get rid of your ghastly avitar. It's not just offensive, it's revolting - whatever happened to a decent suspension set-up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iowsaintsfan Posted 16 September, 2008 Share Posted 16 September, 2008 Because he would close parts of the ground to make capacity 21,999! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 16 September, 2008 Share Posted 16 September, 2008 How about Alpine, 70sMike and anyone who has no problem at suggesting how others should spend their money, setting an example by donating a week's income to the club every time the team wins. Since Alpine expects them to lose every game, it shouldn't frighten him...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 16 September, 2008 Share Posted 16 September, 2008 How about Alpine, 70sMike and anyone who has no problem at suggesting how others should spend their money, setting an example by donating a week's income to the club every time the team wins. Since Alpine expects them to lose every game, it shouldn't frighten him...... If I did that I wouldnt be able to put food on the table. I suggest Rupes and Co would survive without too much of a problem and given that increased gates and happier support will more than likly increase there chance of some kind of bonus they will in turn get there money back. And anyway, How is my weeks wages going to get more people in the door at SMS? What options do I have of getting it back? Will it make our fan base any happier? Will it please the banks and give us more room for future dealings? Thought not.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 16 September, 2008 Share Posted 16 September, 2008 If I did that I wouldnt be able to put food on the table. I suggest Rupes and Co would survive without too much of a problem and given that increased gates and happier support will more than likly increase there chance of some kind of bonus they will in turn get there money back. And anyway, How is my weeks wages going to get more people in the door at SMS? What options do I have of getting it back? Will it make our fan base any happier? Will it please the banks and give us more room for future dealings? Thought not.... ok, what about a days pay when saints win..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Second Coming Posted 16 September, 2008 Share Posted 16 September, 2008 How about performance related pay? For Lowe. For the players. For the supporters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 16 September, 2008 Share Posted 16 September, 2008 ok, what about a days pay when saints win..? Personally I think we will win more than we lose even though it might look like we have some way to go at the mo. But your missing the point. I dont think Rupes should be targeted in what Alps suggested and think it should cover the complete board if at all possible. If they were to agree to something like this then the gates would rise just based on the fact that Rupes might be out of pocket! If that proves to be the catalyst for some of our support returning and bringing more finances into the club then how is it not a good idea????? As for me donating anything to the cause I would gladly do it if 1 it was financially possible for me to do it and 2 if it would make any difference. But as I said above And anyway, How is my weeks wages going to get more people in the door at SMS? What options do I have of getting it back? Will it make our fan base any happier? Will it please the banks and give us more room for future dealings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 16 September, 2008 Share Posted 16 September, 2008 How about performance related pay? For Lowe. For the players. For the supporters. This should have been brought into contracts accross the board in football a bloody long time ago IMO. Some of the ammounts they get paid is just rude considering they can take so much time out for sometimes minor injurys and often disputes about if they want to play or not. But thats another argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 16 September, 2008 Author Share Posted 16 September, 2008 How about Alpine, 70sMike and anyone who has no problem at suggesting how others should spend their money, setting an example by donating a week's income to the club every time the team wins. Since Alpine expects them to lose every game, it shouldn't frighten him...... Yep, completely missing the point for the sake of a petty dig. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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