Cortese Reaction...

[brightspark]

Sparked some debate on the game thread this, but how does everyone think Cortese reacted to today's result? And did he intentionally splash the cash to get us promoted this season?

 

I fear, that he thinks he has failed and that he may come down on Pardew. He will know the comparitive cost of the squads and that a loss at Tranmere should have been "incomprehendable".

 

Will he keep calm, is the pressure on Pardew, and are we in the right frame of mind to go up next season?

[Legod Third Coming]

He is currently polishing his Purdeys...

[Saint_clark]

As I said on the other thread, if Pardew is fired without being given a chance next season it shows impatience on Corteses part rather than inability to produce results on Pardew part.

[NickG]

I don't believe he will have any knee jerk reaction and will be ok with the development of the team - disappointed that we are not in play offs (as we all would have liked it and it was possible) but not at all surprised.

[Huffton]

I reckon he shouted something like 'REF, YOU USLELSS BLIND FECKIN EXCUSE FOR A CAMEL W@NKER', or whatever the italian translation is.

[CanadaSaint]

As I said on the other thread, if Pardew is fired without being given a chance next season it shows impatience on Corteses part rather than inability to produce results on Pardew part.

 

Surely it shows both.

 

Given how much we've spent, we've had some hideous away results.

 

Cortese didn't open the cheque book to miss the playoffs.

[S-Clarke]

As I said on the other thread, if Pardew is fired without being given a chance next season it shows impatience on Corteses part rather than inability to produce results on Pardew part.

 

 

 

Cortese strikes me as quite an impatient and stubborn guy though, esp. with his reactions to the echo.

 

At the end of the day he's probably persuaded Markus to release a big wedge of money for L1, on the premise that we'll give the playoffs a good crack, but in reality we never got close.

[Wade Garrett]

Give Pardew the time he's been promised. Madness to do otherwise.

 

It's not like Fabio Capello is waiting in the wings.

[Katalinic]

When he came in he talked about a 5 year plan to get to the Prem. Not sure promotion was ever part of the plan for year one. Good form from October raised hope although in my opinion we have always been just too far off. There is no doubt he is ambitious but you don't get to his position by making rash decisions. 99% of the fan base are realists and therefore behind Alan Pardew - one if the rules of business is don't p*** your customers off. For these reasons there is no way in a million years NC will fire Pardew now.

 

However, promotion is an absolute must next season and the heat will be on, and rightly so, from game one.

[Leicestersaint]

Well he is right to set high standards - clearly today we did nto meet hem.

[Micky]

I reckon he shouted something like 'REF, YOU USLELSS BLIND FECKIN EXCUSE FOR A CAMEL W@NKER', or whatever the italian translation is.

 

Exactly.

[Asaint4ever]

When his interview?

[ToreSF]

Well, just thought that the reason why Cortese is putting the pressure on Pardew is that he has better manager in line for the job. IF so, would you prefer a new manager with a better reputation then old pards? Or should we hang onto him?

[brightspark]

Well, just thought that the reason why Cortese is putting the pressure on Pardew is that he has better manager in line for the job. IF so, would you prefer a new manager with a better reputation then old pards? Or should we hang onto him?

 

We obviously need to give Pardew a chance next season. If we don't, we will become the next QPR, getting stuck in League One and threatening to do even more damage to our clubs status!!!

 

I want Cortese to be upset, because thats something Lowe wouldn't have cared about last season. But I just hope he isn't as kneejerk as most of us are sometimes on this forum.

[LVSaint]

Well, just thought that the reason why Cortese is putting the pressure on Pardew is that he has better manager in line for the job. IF so, would you prefer a new manager with a better reputation then old pards? Or should we hang onto him?

 

At the end of the day, AP is good enough, as he has shown for the majority of this season, that he can get us back to the Championship. Not this season but next. We've got a cup final to win before then. Let's not feck that up please.

[Whitey Grandad]

There's not much good spalshing the cash in the summer, we ned to have a settled team way before then so that we can hit the ground running at the start of next season.

[ALWAYS_SFC]

Well, just thought that the reason why Cortese is putting the pressure on Pardew is that he has better manager in line for the job. IF so, would you prefer a new manager with a better reputation then old pards? Or should we hang onto him?

 

Lol

 

Anyone in mind...?

[CanadaSaint]

At the end of the day, AP is good enough, as he has shown for the majority of this season, that he can get us back to the Championship. Not this season but next.

 

LV, I think some people on here and, by most accounts, Cortese are asking whether AP has shown that he can get it done.

 

I like AP but I'm not yet convinced about him. This division is full of sides like Tranmere, Wycombe, Brentford, Brighton and Orient; and not all the playing surfaces are great. We will not get out of it until we can beat them consistently on dodgy surfaces as well as good ones. For all our investment, we haven't shown we can do that.

 

What gives us the confidence that this will be much different next year? We might have too much quality and not enough character for this division.

 

I'm all for giving AP some more time but I'm not sure Cortese is that patient.

[NickG]

how many times have people on here heard him interviewed?

 

I listen to solent a lot and can only remember his pre-season interviews.

 

There are loads on here saying they know how he thinks, what he expects, what sort of man he is etc.

 

We don't know.

[John B]

LV, I think some people on here and, by most accounts, Cortese are asking whether AP has shown that he can get it done.

 

I like AP but I'm not yet convinced about him. This division is full of sides like Tranmere, Wycombe, Brentford, Brighton and Orient; and not all the playing surfaces are great. We will not get out of it until we can beat them consistently on dodgy surfaces as well as good ones. For all our investment, we haven't shown we can do that.

 

What gives us the confidence that this will be much different next year? We might have too much quality and not enough character for this division.

 

I'm all for giving AP some more time but I'm not sure Cortese is that patient.

 

But ourform and results over recent weeks is surely promotion form

[RobM]

Given this is his first season, we had very little pre-season and we haven't had what AP would call 'his' team until January, I'd say he was doing very well. We have been moving consistently up the league, playing well and picking up points more often than losing them.

 

We nor any other team are likely to go an entire season unbeaten. We will lose games. But as long as progress is being made, it doesn't really matter.

 

And this is year one of a five year plan. Not AP's five year plan, but the boards five year plan. If they go back on that now they will risk not getting as higher profile manager next as we could do, as it sends a clear message of impatience.

[ToreSF]

At the end of the day, AP is good enough, as he has shown for the majority of this season, that he can get us back to the Championship. Not this season but next. We've got a cup final to win before then. Let's not feck that up please.

 

I agree, but it's a dilemma, and it all comes down to timing. Just started to wonder why Cortese is putting the pressure on pards, when it probably would be wiser to back him up. As many has pointed out, at the beginning of the season play off didnt seem to be a minimum expectation from the owners, so why now? Think it might have to do with cortese wanting to replace pardew with someone else and bigger.

[CanadaSaint]

But ourform and results over recent weeks is surely promotion form

 

Not if we lose games like this, and drop points at places like Exeter, Wycombe and Brentford, and give up a last-seconds equalizer after taking the lead at Millwall - all of that since Christmas. We had a golden chance to maintain momentum and gain on our rivals today, and we blew it big-time.

 

I'm not yet convinced that we have the character to get out of this division.

[John B]

Not if we lose games like this, and drop points at places like Exeter, Wycombe and Brentford, and give up a last-seconds equalizer after taking the lead at Millwall - all of that since Christmas. We had a golden chance to maintain momentum and gain on our rivals today, and we blew it big-time.

 

I'm not yet convinced that we have the character to get out of this division.

 

Well we are not going to win all our games are we neither are our rivals

[ALWAYS_SFC]

Not if we lose games like this, and drop points at places like Exeter, Wycombe and Brentford, and give up a last-seconds equalizer after taking the lead at Millwall - all of that since Christmas. We had a golden chance to maintain momentum and gain on our rivals today, and we blew it big-time.

 

I'm not yet convinced that we have the character to get out of this division.

 

No offence intended but how can you tell about a teams character from

Canada ,unless you are not really there or spend a hell of a lot of time

and money travelling to england.

[CanadaSaint]

Well we are not going to win all our games are we neither are our rivals

 

I never suggested we would or should, John. We've won 14 out of 32 and it's draws at the places I mentioned, among others, that we must turn into wins if we want to get promoted. Those wins will require character I've yet to see, and today's loss suggests that this is a key missing ingredient. My fear - God, I hope I'm wrong - is that it will still be missing next season.

[CanadaSaint]

No offence intended but how can you tell about a teams character from

Canada ,unless you are not really there or spend a hell of a lot of time

and money travelling to england.

 

Ah, the old "You don't go to the games" line.

 

Character is toughing out wins at difficult places and in difficult circumstances. It's a concept that has been around pretty much since football was invented. My point was that we don't seem to do that much.

 

The internet, which allows people to see events happening elsewhere, is a much more recent innovation. Usually, you can tell a lot more from watching on television or the internet than you can from actually being there. You know, better viewing angles and action replays and all those good things.

[Legod Third Coming]

But ourform and results over recent weeks is surely promotion form

 

It is. Today was a disaster, but so was Huddersfield losing to Gillingham, Leeds drawing at home to Brentford, and so on...

 

We should have won today, no excuses.

 

But teams get beaten - sometimes players have off days, sometimes they don't turn up.

 

Pardew gambled to WIN today while a point would have helped us gain on many of our rivals... and yet he will be slated for it.

 

What's he supposed to do? Players missed great chances. We've scored 12 goals in five games, just maybe too many in some of those games, and used up all our luck...

[Webby]

I'd prefer we won 10 games in a row 1-0 rather than score 10 in 2.

[kpturner]

I'd prefer we won 10 games in a row 1-0 rather than score 10 in 2.

What is the point in saying something like that? This is football!

[Window Cleaner]

It is. Today was a disaster, but so was Huddersfield losing to Gillingham, Leeds drawing at home to Brentford, and so on...

 

We should have won today, no excuses.

 

But teams get beaten - sometimes players have off days, sometimes they don't turn up.

 

Pardew gambled to WIN today while a point would have helped us gain on many of our rivals... and yet he will be slated for it.

 

What's he supposed to do? Players missed great chances. We've scored 12 goals in five games, just maybe too many in some of those games, and used up all our luck...

 

the main difference being that Huddersfield,Swindon,Leeds and Millwall have already got their points on the board with what I suppose must be called "consistent form" throughout the season.We're chasing their tails and need to make hay from every slip up that happens their way,but we're crap away from home and I can see us being in this league from here to eternity, thumping the best of the best at home an being abysmal against the crappest of the crap away.We will suffer from atrocious refereeing whilst we're in this league, they aren't all that good in the Prem so in League 1 what can we expect.

[Legod Third Coming]

the main difference being that Huddersfield,Swindon,Leeds and Millwall have already got their points on the board with what I suppose must be called "consistent form" throughout the season.We're chasing their tails and need to make hay from every slip up that happens their way,but we're crap away from home and I can see us being in this league from here to eternity, thumping the best of the best at home an being abysmal against the crappest of the crap away.

 

The big difference is simply that we didn't have our team for the first ten games of the season and have really only had the team the manager wanted for three weeks.

 

Losing today is not the reason we are 20 points behind Norwich - all the top teams have had crap results just as we have.

 

But we gave them a head start for all the reasons we already know over the first ten games. We're still growing and leaning as a team. Some of them not fecking quickly enough granted...

[Window Cleaner]

The big difference is simply that we didn't have our team for the first ten games of the season and have really only had the team the manager wanted for three weeks.

 

Losing today is not the reason we are 20 points behind Norwich - all the top teams have had crap results just as we have.

 

But we gave them a head start for all the reasons we already know over the first ten games. We're still growing and leaning as a team. Some of them not fecking quickly enough granted...

 

 

 

Being poor in the first 10 games has exactly what bearing on not being able to beat Wycombe or get a point from Tranmere? Sorry you've lost me on the rationale there.

[RobM]

Being poor in the first 10 games has exactly what bearing on not being able to beat Wycombe or get a point from Tranmere? Sorry you've lost me on the rationale there.

 

It's not just a case of being poor, but those first 10 games were our preseason. We were massively behind because, in case you were asleep during it, we didn't have a club to support.

 

So during those first 10 games the competition were already playing as a team, while we were only just a team.

[Thedelldays]

It's not just a case of being poor, but those first 10 games were our preseason. We were massively behind because, in case you were asleep during it, we didn't have a club to support.

 

So during those first 10 games the competition were already playing as a team, while we were only just a team.

10 game pre season......give it a rest

[RobM]

10 game pre season......give it a rest

 

You've changed your tune. Previously you were posting that 10 games is around the time it takes to settle, now that's a stupid idea.

[alpine_saint]

It's not just a case of being poor, but those first 10 games were our preseason. We were massively behind because, in case you were asleep during it, we didn't have a club to support.

 

So during those first 10 games the competition were already playing as a team, while we were only just a team.

 

And the excuse for Exeter, Wycombe and Tranmere is.....?

[RobM]

And the excuse for Exeter, Wycombe and Tranmere is.....?

 

They played better than us on the day.

 

Tell me how many clubs in the last, let's say 10 years, have gone an entire season unbeaten?

 

Do you expect Saints to not lose a game all season, every season?

[ALWAYS_SFC]

They played better than us on the day.

 

Tell me how many clubs in the last, let's say 10 years, have gone an entire season unbeaten?

 

Do you expect Saints to not lose a game all season, every season?

 

Yes he does because we spend a lot of money it guarantees instant success you know.

 

But the real reason we dont is because of Alan Pardew...

[alpine_saint]

They played better than us on the day.

 

 

What utter garbage.

[CanadaSaint]

Tell me how many clubs in the last, let's say 10 years, have gone an entire season unbeaten?

 

Do you expect Saints to not lose a game all season, every season?

 

If you have to completely misrepresent what people posted in order to make your point, perhaps you don't have one.

 

Unless we can pick up results in difficult places, on difficult pitches and with dodgy referees, we won't get out of this division - this year, next year, or whenever. We've yet to demonstrate that we can do this on any kind of consistent basis. That's a big problem.

 

Today's result threw away momentum at an absolutely critical time.

[ALWAYS_SFC]

What utter garbage.

 

Were you there?

 

 

No thought not....:smt026

[SnailOB]

They played better than us on the day.

 

Tell me how many clubs in the last, let's say 10 years, have gone an entire season unbeaten?

 

Do you expect Saints to not lose a game all season, every season?

 

I'd just be happy for consistency of the right kind at the moment. The recent performances at home and against Norwich were outstanding but it is a concern when majority of saints fans then look at fixtures like Wycombe / Brentford / Exeter / Tranmere as potential 'banana-skins' and then get proven right.

 

Our performances against the 'lower' sides is a concern and has to be addressed - the fact that we struggle at these places is the only consistent thing about this side at the moment.

 

AP has shown that he can produce a team that can give us great performances - I just want to see at places other than St Marys.

[RobM]

What utter garbage.

 

Ok, we played worse than them on the day? The team who scores the most goals win, it's a simple concept. If they score more goals than us they win.

 

If you have to completely misrepresent what people posted in order to make your point, perhaps you don't have one.

 

Unless we can pick up results in difficult places, on difficult pitches and with dodgy referees, we won't get out of this division - this year, next year, or whenever. We've yet to demonstrate that we can do this on any kind of consistent basis. That's a big problem.

 

Today's result threw away momentum at an absolutely critical time.

 

I absolutely agree. But my point is we will lose games, sometimes against teams better than us, sometimes against teams worse than us. Just like we beat Man Utd many times back in the Prem days, but still couldn't be classed as a better team, other teams will beat us who aren't classed as better.

 

We have toughed out some results this season, we have turned teams over and we have dropped points when we shouldn't have done. But overall our form is good, we pick up more points than we drop and we are moving in the right direction.

 

For year one of a five year plan we are doing damn well. I'm sorry I don't see things as being as bad as you do.

[alpine_saint]

If you have to completely misrepresent what people posted in order to make your point, perhaps you don't have one.

 

Unless we can pick up results in difficult places, on difficult pitches and with dodgy referees, we won't get out of this division - this year, next year, or whenever. We've yet to demonstrate that we can do this on any kind of consistent basis. That's a big problem.

 

Today's result threw away momentum at an absolutely critical time.

 

Amazing how few people can grasp these simple points.

[alpine_saint]

Ok, we played worse than them on the day? The team who scores the most goals win, it's a simple concept. If they score more goals than us they win.

 

 

 

I absolutely agree. But my point is we will lose games, sometimes against teams better than us, sometimes against teams worse than us. Just like we beat Man Utd many times back in the Prem days, but still couldn't be classed as a better team, other teams will beat us who aren't classed as better.

 

We have toughed out some results this season, we have turned teams over and we have dropped points when we shouldn't have done. But overall our form is good, we pick up more points than we drop and we are moving in the right direction.

 

For year one of a five year plan we are doing damn well. I'm sorry I don't see things as being as bad as you do.

 

Except you are still under the impression (delusion) that it is a 5-year plan...

[RobM]

Amazing how few people can grasp these simple points.

 

Says the man who can't understand the simple concept of scoring more goals than the opposition wins games.

[Saint_Jonny]

Why would he react, its one loss in I dont know how many league games. Stop being such overreacting drama queen mongs, im sure hes clever enough to realise that Pardew is a good man doing a good job and will give him the time he needs. Threads like this **** me off. The ref had as big a part in todays result as anyone else. BORING./

[alpine_saint]

Why would he react, its one loss in I dont know how many league games. Stop being such overreacting drama queen mongs, im sure hes clever enough to realise that Pardew is a good man doing a good job and will give him the time he needs. Threads like this **** me off. The ref had as big a part in todays result as anyone else. BORING./

 

Must have imagined his very public comments before the Pompey game, then...

[SFC Forever]

By Xmas we had got to a 9 point gap I believe. Since then we have dropped further behind. Though the ten poits is a big factor in our position it is only that. The points lost to inferior teams away from home is the main reason why we are not doing better this season.