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[westofshannonsaint]

given my location, I don't get to Southampton very often and have depended on this site (or other incarnations) for quite a while to get my Saints "fix" but lately the standard around here has become very poor. as Rory said,

 

This forum used to be a laugh and you could get into some pretty good debates but not anymore. Not even when we're on the cusp of actually achieving something and having an owner and chairman most clubs in the country would be proud of.

 

I think that members and mods need to be reminded or a few of the T's&C's that are frequently being broken. for the full list see announcements banner at the top of the main page.

 

We have a set of rules and points of etiquette that we ask every user to respect and adhere to while using saintsweb. This isn't because we want to appear draconian, it's to ensure the smooth running of the forum and to make sure it doesn't descend into chaos like other forums often do. They are as follows:

 

• DO respect other forum members' opinions, even if they differ from your own.
  
• DO check that a topic you want to start hasn't already been posted.....
  
• DO NOT deliberately start arguments. This is known as "trolling". It is usually very easy to spot, and offending threads will be locked or deleted.
  
• DO NOT make sarcastic comments or imply that a thread is "boring" just because it doesn't interest you......
  
• DO NOT start a new topic that repeats a theme of a topic that has been locked or deleted by a member of the Admin Team. It was locked/deleted for a reason.
  

Sorry for posting a non-football post, I realise that I may have broken...

DO check that what you are writing is relevant to the forum you are on. Any post deemed unsuitable to the forum topic will be moved.

Mod's feel free to lock/move this thread if you want, or do infractions happen?

In order that we have a well-defined system of disciplinary methods, we will utilise the "Infractions" system on this forum. These basically award points relative to the offence committed and remain in place for a given length of time, apply to all forums except where explicitly specified, and are listed below:

 

• Posting a pointless or sarcastic remark - 1 point, expires after 1 month
  
• Re-starting a theme of a locked topic - 2 point, expires after 6 months
  
• Insulting or abusing another member - 2 points, expires after 6 months
  

 

Accumulation of 10 unexpired points will result in an automatic two-week suspension. Members who have been subject to this two-week suspension who subsequently accumulate a further 10 points will receive a permanent ban.

Rather than Banning users I would like to see "problem" members limited to a certan number of posts per day. but something needs to be done what has happened to "playing the ball, not the man" whatever size of the fence you choose to sit.

[Thedelldays]

Totally agree

[Dave Benson Phillips]

lol@Dulldays.

 

Funny.

 

P.S - This is non football related and you have posted it on the main board. Maybe you want to practice what you preach if you want people to take your suggestion seriously?

[Red and White Army]

I would support limiting most members to six posts a day, and StuRomseySaint to six posts a month.

[Dave Benson Phillips]

I would support limiting most members to six posts a day, and StuRomseySaint to six posts a month.

 

StuRomseySaint hasn't posted for weeks.

[hypochondriac]

So who do you define as a problem member then? I disagree with a lot of people but I wouldn't request that they have less posts than myself purely because I hold a different opinion to them. TDD maybe because he is a troll (and admits it.)

[MorningtonCrescent]

"quelle suprise" at the responses so far!

 

The OP has a valid point and the mods do need to apply the rules as listed (and agreed to by registration) if they want to get this place back to a sensible discussion shop.

 

There are many people who just don't post anything anymore because every thread degenerates into the same people taking a direct swipe at "their nemesis" - as well as an "ignore" button, is there a "follow me" button that these people use to make sure they don't miss the chance to have a pop at the person/people they delight in responding to with negative tripe?

 

Banning doesn't seem to work, so a reduced number of posts for a period of time would be a good way of preventing the constant bickering that happens every day.

 

Maybe then some of the lurkers would feel inclined to become more involved?

[saint_stevo]

its a forum, get over it

[MorningtonCrescent]

its a forum, get over it

 

Its a forum with an ever decreasing number of people posting, due to every thread becoming a personal battle between individuals who ave an agenda with each other. Boring!

[saint_stevo]

football will be back soon and all will be right with the world again

[stevegrant]

I'll copy what I've posted in another thread:

 

It's all very subjective, though - one person's "good point" is another's "wind-up", depending on which side of the fence you sit.

 

I liken it to a decent referee (if such a thing exists), who would much rather let things flow rather than penalise everything, regardless how small and insignificant.

 

The best thing I can suggest is that you add anybody who you feel is particular tiresome to your ignore list. You'll still see that they've posted on a thread, but unless you specifically want to read that individual post, you won't have to.

 

Also, if anyone is clearly breaking the forum rules, whether it be by "e-stalking" (God I hate that phrase ), hurling insults, or any of the other rules for that matter, please use the "Report Post" feature (it's this button: ) and let the moderators and admins deal with it.

 

Trust me, we're doing our best to keep things on-track, but it's always been the case that we try not to disrupt conversations mid-flow as constantly locking threads and deleting posts only serves to annoy people, which ultimately becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

I don't think the situation we find ourselves in is particularly new, it's just a relatively new subject that is proving rather divisive.

 

The main problem as I see it is that those who are entrenched in one camp or the other automatically assume that anything posted by the other side has some sort of barbed meaning, when in actual fact if people took posts at face value rather than looking at who composed it, the discussion would be much better.

[saint simes]

Agree with the OP.

 

What happened to threads begining with a *? I seem to recall this meant "do not hi jack my thread" or "keep on topic".

[stevegrant]

Agree with the OP.

 

What happened to threads begining with a *? I seem to recall this meant "do not hi jack my thread" or "keep on topic".

That was something that was put in place on the old off-topic forum, which migrated into two separate forums, one for sensible discussion (the Lounge) and one where pretty much anything goes (the Muppet Show).

 

Threads on the main board should always remain "on-topic", although it's natural that many will go off on a reasonable tangent every now and then.

[eelpie]

Its a forum with an ever decreasing number of people posting, due to every thread becoming a personal battle between individuals who ave an agenda with each other. Boring!

 

westofshannon has a very good point and it is saints related because the saints topics on this forum have become boring by being hijacked by those who just want to quarrel. The question is, what forum site(s) have we been haemorrhaging some of the more interesting posters to?

[saint simes]

That was something that was put in place on the old off-topic forum, which migrated into two separate forums, one for sensible discussion (the Lounge) and one where pretty much anything goes (the Muppet Show).

 

Threads on the main board should always remain "on-topic", although it's natural that many will go off on a reasonable tangent every now and then.

 

Thanks for the clarification. I can live with threads going off on "reasonable" tangents every now and then, indeed they can be quite interesting. Just lately though, some threads barely make 3 or 4 posts before being hijacked by certain posters who prehaps would be better off sticking to the Muppet Show! Oh well, roll on Saturday!

[Ewell]

I am not in favour of the registration fee in fact I have never paid it and I find on most occasions 3 posts a day is more than enough. I do follow threads though and the OP is spot on that certain posters are hijacking the majority of threads. I have blocked 3 of late but I still have to view the majority of what they write because their posts are usually so controversial and opinionated someone always responds quoting them.

 

Just to put an idea out there how about having to pay the registration fee again if you receive a ban? It may make people think twice. Also no idea how many moderators you have and in all honesty they do a thankless job but wouldn't it be an idea to get a few more. Quite often it appears that there are none around (we all work I know). It may help to get someone moderating who does not often attend matches as match days can get silly at times. My vote goes to Alpine Saint (OK poor joke I know).

[Scummer]

I agree with a lot of what has been said in this thread. It's just the same old people, having the same old arguments, time and time again. I've just cancelled my subscription, and I'm going to see how I get on without it.

[Gorgiesaint]

I agree with a lot of what has been said in this thread. It's just the same old people, having the same old arguments, time and time again. I've just cancelled my subscription, and I'm going to see how I get on without it.

 

Totally in agreement Scummer, I won't be renewing this time round. I've been increasingly finding myself in a position where I type out a response to thread & then delete it rather than press send as just cannot be bothered with dealing with the 'response' from certain posters.

[eelpie]

I'm not against a registration fee which is a modest one, but haven't subscribed because I have reclaimed wasted time by being online less. Sadly the forum is not the entertainment it used to be.

[EastleighSoulBoy]

Totally in agreement Scummer, I won't be renewing this time round. I've been increasingly finding myself in a position where I type out a response to thread & then delete it rather than press send as just cannot be bothered with dealing with the 'response' from certain posters.

 

This. Exactly.

[Joensuu]

My subscription has now elapsed. It won't be renewed until the worst offenders have been dealt with by the mods. Two specific posters seem to regularly ignore the rules, spam every thread, and frequently post in favour of violence, or use sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, or racist language, seemingly without Admin redress (I of course refer to the 'artist's' formally known as Stanley and SRS). Kick these two clowns off the board, and watch the sensible, less-polemic debate return.

 

While I respect the admin's stance of taking a hands-off approach, I think there is a necessity to clamp down on the two worst offenders. I love the analogy of mods being refs who want to keep the game flowing, it's definately the best strategy. But when you have certain posters acting like they're Joey Barton having a punch up on every thread, you might think a red card or two really should have really been awarded for that awful tackle they commited early in the game? It's a bit like watching a Cantona-esque kick go unpenalised by the same poster multiple times in the same game. How the afformentioned posters remain members of this site baffles me.

[Saint_clark]

My subscription has now elapsed. It won't be renewed until the worst offenders have been dealt with by the mods. Two specific posters seem to regularly ignore the rules, spam every thread, and frequently post in favour of violence, or use sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, or racist language, seemingly without Admin redress (I of course refer to the 'artist's' formally known as Stanley and SRS). Kick these two clowns off the board, and watch the sensible, less-polemic debate return.

 

While I respect the admin's stance of taking a hands-off approach, I think there is a necessity to clamp down on the two worst offenders. I love the analogy of mods being refs who want to keep the game flowing, it's definately the best strategy. But when you have certain posters acting like they're Joey Barton having a punch up on every thread, you might think a red card or two really should have really been awarded for that awful tackle they commited early in the game? It's a bit like watching a Cantona-esque kick go unpenalised by the same poster multiple times in the same game. How the afformentioned posters remain members of this site baffles me.

 

Agree with this, but I thought Stanley had been banned? Who is he posting as now?

[alpine_saint]

There are two issues that are massively polarising this site at the moment.

 

1. Is NC running the club in the most fan-friendly manner ?

 

2. Is AP really capable of delivering promotion ?

 

For me these are two good club- and football-related issues. As with any discussions, the opinion on both sides of the argument is deeply entrenched. People rarely change their minds about anything.

 

The key issue is how the discussions progress. In my opinion, it may be that some find the volume of posts annoying from certain contributors, but if you express a minority opinion that illicits 15 responses, all worthy of a response, it is hardly suprising that the poster concerned ends up making excessive posts. EDIT : There has been an increase recently of people writing things like "are you going to answer my post #xx, or havent you got an argument ?" so you cant win either way.

 

What is not acceptable is the personal abuse. In my opinion again, despite the fact that I clearly wind-up and annoy many posters, I do not do it because I am a serial personal abuse poster. There are some where every other post is personal abuse of some form who seem never to get banned. I reckon that if anything, the amount of personal abuse has gone down in recent times, a considerable accomplishment.

Edited 2 August, 2010 by alpine_saint

[Joensuu]

Agree with this, but I thought Stanley had been banned? Who is he posting as now?

 

Ask Dune. He has certainly been accused, and to my knowledge hasn't denied it.

[Dave Benson Phillips]

There are two issues that are massively polarising this site at the moment.

 

1. Is NC running the club in the most fan-friendly manner ?

 

2. Is AP really capable of delivering promotion ?

 

For me these are two good club- and football-related issues. As with any discussions, the opinion on both sides of the argument is deeply entrenched. People rarely change their minds about anything.

 

The key issue is how the discussions progress. In my opinion, it may be that some find the volume of posts annoying from certain contributors, but if you express a minority opinion that illicits 15 responses, all worthy of a response, it is hardly suprising that the poster concerned ends up making excessive posts. EDIT : There has been an increase recently of people writing things like "are you going to answer my post #xx, or havent you got an argument ?" so you cant win either way.

 

What is not acceptable is the personal abuse. In my opinion again, despite the fact that I clearly wind-up and annoy many posters, I do not do it because I am a serial personal abuse poster. There are some where every other post is personal abuse of some form who seem never to get banned. I reckon that if anything, the amount of personal abuse has gone down in recent times, a considerable accomplishment.

 

A good point Alpine, if it is aimed at me, if you look through my post history, probably 80% of them are replies to quotes etc from other people, as opposed to just trolling.

 

Moral of the story is, if you don't agree with what I say, or don't want me to post, then don't ask me a question / post and insult / rubbish what I have to say, then I won't post. Easy as that really.

[Thedelldays]

I'll copy what I've posted in another thread:

 

 

I don't think the situation we find ourselves in is particularly new, it's just a relatively new subject that is proving rather divisive.

 

The main problem as I see it is that those who are entrenched in one camp or the other automatically assume that anything posted by the other side has some sort of barbed meaning, when in actual fact if people took posts at face value rather than looking at who composed it, the discussion would be much better.

what about the numerous personal insults your mates dish out..?

[Thedelldays]

Totally in agreement Scummer, I won't be renewing this time round. I've been increasingly finding myself in a position where I type out a response to thread & then delete it rather than press send as just cannot be bothered with dealing with the 'response' from certain posters.

 

I also will not be renewing....

[Dalek2003]

I don't like the abuse I get every time I bring up the Hoddle 2004 issue. This is a bvery legitimate point of discussion if we want to understand when the decline from the Premiership began. Some posters prefer to bury their head in the sand or probably want to forget their own sorry part in the debacle !

[St Marco]

I agree with a lot of what has been said in this thread. It's just the same old people, having the same old arguments, time and time again. I've just cancelled my subscription, and I'm going to see how I get on without it.

 

Yeah i agree. Every thread is the same. You got about 4 people who can't actually hold an argument because normally what they are saying is just made up. They just want to be controversial. Then it turns into a slagging contest with everyone reminding each other what they did years ago. The forum was never like that before. You could have decent chats about Saints stuff. Look at the front page, where are the "where do we need to strengthen, are you excited for the new season, what do you think about the new signings...etc..." threads. Very few actual football posts. Most just attacks on the club or people in the club or posters who have a different view to them.

 

So like many i won't be renewing. If i want to read rubbish or watch people fighting i will go to The Sun forum....

 

How do you cancel your renewal?

[alpine_saint]

I don't like the abuse I get every time I bring up the Hoddle 2004 issue. This is a bvery legitimate point of discussion if we want to understand when the decline from the Premiership began. Some posters prefer to bury their head in the sand or probably want to forget their own sorry part in the debacle !

 

Look, unless I go down to my garden shed tonight and invent the equivalent of a Flux Capacitor and fit it to my missus's Seat Ibiza, what do you think your constant harking back to half a decade ago will achieve ?

[Thedelldays]

Yeah i agree. Every thread is the same. You got about 4 people who can't actually hold an argument because normally what they are saying is just made up. They just want to be controversial. Then it turns into a slagging contest with everyone reminding each other what they did years ago. The forum was never like that before. You could have decent chats about Saints stuff. Look at the front page, where are the "where do we need to strengthen, are you excited for the new season, what do you think about the new signings...etc..." threads. Very few actual football posts. Most just attacks on the club or people in the club or posters who have a different view to them.

 

So like many i won't be renewing. If i want to read rubbish or watch people fighting i will go to The Sun forum....

 

How do you cancel your renewal?

 

I cancelled on paypal.....I know I have not been a angel on here over the years...but lately this place has taken the michael..I will still use it but as a 3 post-a-day blokey..

I have also stopped my PM functions too

[alpine_saint]

I cancelled on paypal.....I know I have not been a angel on here over the years...but lately this place has taken the michael..I will still use it but as a 3 post-a-day blokey..

I have also stopped my PM functions too

 

What has so spooked you about the place recently ?

 

And what about the PMs, what was wrong ? I never received an abusive PM on here until last week.

[Thedelldays]

What has so spooked you about the place recently ?

 

And what about the PMs, what was wrong ? I never received an abusive PM on here until last week.

no..the racist posts, the constant slagging matches (yes I have been like that before..I was also banned for it)

PMs - I have about 15 PMs from the same person wanting to meet for a "chat"...keeping them though

[Gingeletiss]

Look, unless I go down to my garden shed tonight and invent the equivalent of a Flux Capacitor and fit it to my missus's Seat Ibiza, what do you think your constant harking back to half a decade ago will achieve ?

 

He has a good sense of humour, I'll grant him that....I laughed.

[thesaint sfc]

It does seem to have lost the buzz it used to have - not sure why that is really. I wouldn't say the rules are forced any harder than before - but rather we just have a new breed of posters.

[St Steve]

Saintsforever.com ten years ago was full of the better posters, good old days.

[Dalek2003]

If you are talking about the Hoddle controversy, then it has lost its buzz a bit. However, people like Alpine should know that this critical point in the clubs history is essential to understanding where we are now !

[St Marco]

S4E the good old day's.

 

I remember when Keith would get invited along with the team to pre-season and stuff and he would have a daily article saying what he thought. Those were some good times.

 

The difference between now and then was you were encouraged not to insult each other. It is a bit like the wild west now. Nobody has been dealt with and so it is a free for all.

 

And cheers TDD, i found the thing on paypal.

[LostBoys]

The easiest way is to 'ignore' the poster concerned - you do not have to do it to very many to make the forum a much better place - I will not name all of mine but 'ignoring' numpty canteen and idiot from the alps have done me the power of good. Better ignore than not renew because of a few posters who just want to be difficult and controversial and generally wind everyone else up.

[Dalek2003]

I think the days when S4E were invited along to training changed after the debacle of the Spring of 2004.

[Appy]

Look, unless I go down to my garden shed tonight and invent the equivalent of a Flux Capacitor and fit it to my missus's Seat Ibiza, what do you think your constant harking back to half a decade ago will achieve ?

 

Never thought i'd say this but totally agree with you.

[stevegrant]

I remember when Keith would get invited along with the team to pre-season and stuff and he would have a daily article saying what he thought. Those were some good times.

And then he got slated by a number of people (many of whom still post on here but have other targets these days) for doing so... you genuinely can't win with some people.

[Dalek2003]

Fair enough Appy, if you want to ignore history then you can scratch your head when a similar disaster repeats itself. Maybe there are a few people listening now but in the future there will be many more !

[Appy]

Fair enough Appy, if you want to ignore history then you can scratch your head when a similar disaster repeats itself. Maybe there are a few people listening now but in the future there will be many more !

 

I'm not going to get into an argument about Hoddle with you, what's done is done. Get over it.

[Dalek2003]

Appy, just because it is done, ie history, does not mean it is 'not important'. The appointment of Sturrock over Hoddle and the events surrounding that decision is one of the most controversial and significant events in the history of SFC. It cannot be glossed over and will need to addressed when future assessments are made. The part played by a small minority of vocal fans was significant.

[benjii]

Fair enough Appy, if you want to ignore history then you can scratch your head when a similar disaster repeats itself. Maybe there are a few people listening now but in the future there will be many more !

 

Why are you banging on about Hoddle on a thread about the forum?

 

This is why people think you are, er, "eccentric".

[once_bitterne]

Seems like quite a few who used to post on here frequently are drifting away. Whatever happened to Um Pahars?

[Dalek2003]

Why are you banging on about Hoddle on a thread about the forum?

 

This is why people think you are, er, "eccentric".

 

Because that is how threads sometimes develop.