A Very Telling Comment From Phil Brown

[Gemmel]

(Mods if you want to merge this into any other threads, feel free, but thought it was worth one of its own)

 

Radio Solent interviewed Phil Brown today and even Merrington commented it was word perfect and almost "Scripted".

 

So in addition to saying what a big club we were and how his amibitions matched our Chairman's he went on to add.

 

"That he could work with Les Reed" and how Les knew how to run an academy and club and it would be easy to work with him, and how great he was etc etc.

 

Now we have more practice than most of listening to potential managers telling us why they want the job, but i don't think ive ever heard a candidate for Saints or any other managerial job, list the key reason for being successful as an ability to work with the academy manager.

 

 

Maybe the Les Reed thread, mighty just carry some weight.

[NickG]

heard him say he knows him

[MarkSFC]

(Mods if you want to merge this into any other threads, feel free, but thought it was worth one of its own)

 

Radio Solent interviewed Phil Brown today and even Merrington commented it was word perfect and almost "Scripted".

 

So in addition to saying what a big club we were and how his amibitions matched our Chairman's he went on to add.

 

"That he could work with Les Reed" and how Les knew how to run an academy and club and it would be easy to work with him, and how great he was etc etc.

 

Now we have more practice than most of listening to potential managers telling us why they want the job, but i don't think ive ever heard a candidate for Saints or any other managerial job, list the key reason for being successful as an ability to work with the academy manager.

 

 

Maybe the Les Reed thread, mighty just carry some weight.

 

Sounds like a man desperate for the job.....but not in a good way!!!

[Glasgow_Saint]

Apparently his mic was still on (ala Gordon Brown) and when he got back to his car he was heard saying the Les Reed smells of wee.

 

What lessons can we learn from this?

[Topcat]

Yes, very clear that Les REED is the main issue at Saints.

 

Now when did he become a football genius? Was it after he managed Charlton?

[NickG]

Rochdale link!!!

[Gemmel]

Sounds like a man desperate for the job.....but not in a good way!!!

 

Actually (for me) it sounds like a man that has been interviewed and it has been explained to him this is a key component of the position.

[channonwindmill]

When I worked at Tyrell & Green the manager of the carpet department was called Les Reed.

 

This may or may not be significant.

[Didcot Saint]

What has Les Reed actually achieved in football? Who the f... Is he to be influencing our management? Finally Phil Brown is a shocking manager.

[MarkSFC]

Actually (for me) it sounds like a man that has been interviewed and it has been explained to him this is a key component of the position.

 

Good/great managers do not have to tout themselves for a job.......especially one which is as good as this one.

[Professor]

Think Phil Brown is looking too desparate for a job - any job. Wasn't he making a play on TV - was it MoD2 - for some other vacancy - Villa maybe? Serious candidates usually keep their comments for the people who are making the decision, rather than bidding for the job in the media or to the public.

[Gemmel]

When I worked at Tyrell & Green the manager of the carpet department was called Les Reed.

 

This may or may not be significant.

 

 

Thanks Windmill, when the kids from the Mystery machine, finally get to the bottom of things, i'm confident that your observations, will prove significant.

[saint_mears]

http://sportsassociatedsolutions.com/Biog.htm

[bridge too far]

http://sportsassociatedsolutions.com/Biog.htm

 

Grammatically and presentationally, probably one of the worst CVs I've ever seen

[Thedelldays]

Brown would be a good bet.....

[Saint Fan CaM]

I wrote yesterday in another thread that the Development Centre was starting to look like the tail wagging the dog. This pretty much confirms it. We are headed for a big fall if NC appoints Brown or any other British manager. Zola might just be able to work with such a set-up. Whoever it ends up being, I do hope they've got NC's ear over Reed, otherwise they'll be be fighting a loosing battle.

[NickG]

I have also mentored some high profile names in coaching including Alan Curbishley, Peter Taylor, Stuart Pearce, Gianluca Vialli, Sammy Lee, and Mark Hughes. I was the original designer of the current UEFA pro Licence

 

 

 

I have trained and qualified a number of the game’s current managers and coaches at that level including the likes of; George Burley, Mick McCarthy, Alan Pardew, David O’Leary, Gary Mc Callister, Steve Bruce, Gary Megson, and have tutored a group which included, Steve McClaren, Peter Reid, Iain Dowie, Phil Brown, Gordon Strachan, Dario Gradi and many other current managers and coaches. I have conducted countless coaching courses at National and International level at home and abroad, qualifying and influencing over 2000 coaches world-wide from novice to International standard.

[LGTL]

I fancy Brown to get it too. I don't know what to make of him, he was being touted as a future England manager two years ago, but made himself look a bit of an idiot at the Manchester City game. We could do worse then him though I think.

[Lord Duckhunter]

I'm going to go out on a limb here, but I feel this approach is the right one to take. I'm not saying Reed is the right man for the role, or Brown (or whoever) the right coach, but I feel this approach is the right way forward for the 21st century.I would be quite happy with a senior football man running the whole show, with a coach running the first team. The problem in the past is young players devolopment was hindered by constant changes to the structure of the Club. Managers brought their mates in to run the youth teams and differant Managers had differant tactics. A Sporting Director of DoF, will ensure that the change in first team coach, does not mean a complete and utter upheaval. The hardest part is getting the top man right and making sure that he makes the football decisions, not Lowe or NC. One of the main reasons the DoF hasn't worked here is that the DoF's have always been Managers who secretly want the top job, whether it be Redknapp at Skates or even Woodward for us.Abroad the Sporting Directors role is a completely seperate one from the Manager and specialists in that role generally stick to that role.

 

Perhaps someone like Steve Coppell or Dario Gradi could fullfil the role.

[Gemmel]

I'm going to go out on a limb here, but I feel this approach is the right one to take. I'm not saying Reed is the right man for the role, or Brown (or whoever) the right coach, but I feel this approach is the right way forward for the 21st century.I would be quite happy with a senior football man running the whole show, with a coach running the first team. The problem in the past is young players devolopment was hindered by constant changes to the structure of the Club. Managers brought their mates in to run the youth teams and differant Managers had differant tactics. A Sporting Director of DoF, will ensure that the change in first team coach, does not mean a complete and utter upheaval. The hardest part is getting the top man right and making sure that he makes the football decisions, not Lowe or NC. One of the main reasons the DoF hasn't worked here is that the DoF's have always been Managers who secretly want the top job, whether it be Redknapp at Skates or even Woodward for us.Abroad the Sporting Directors role is a completely seperate one from the Manager and specialists in that role generally stick to that role.

 

Perhaps someone like Steve Coppell or Dario Gradi could fullfil the role.

 

Good post, but can we please stop mentioning Steve Coppell. He resigned and would never return so quickly (If ever)

[Lord Duckhunter]

Good post, but can we please stop mentioning Steve Coppell. He resigned and would never return so quickly (If ever)

 

As a manager, perhaps he'd be interested in an upstairs job, he's certainly bright enough. John Rudge has quietly gone about it at Stoke. At least we'd know he wasn't interested in the First team job himself, which I believe has been the downfall of most DoF's.

[Chez]

managers that try and get the job with lots of "I'd love the job" comments to the media never get it from my experience.

[Saint Charlie]

Hope Brown gets nowhere near the job. ****.

[S-Clarke]

Surely the fact that he's still out there on the radio trying to sell himself, indicates that he hasn't even been approached for an interview?

 

If you were in with a chance and had an interview, you'd STFU until you either had the job or were told otherwise.

[docker-p]

Hope Brown gets nowhere near the job. ****.

ditto. But given NC's ability to fvc4 up royaly, i wouldn't be surprised.

[Bucks Saint]

I fancy Brown to get it too. I don't know what to make of him, he was being touted as a future England manager two years ago, but made himself look a bit of an idiot at the Manchester City game. We could do worse then him though I think.

 

no no no. libel reminder stops me short of detailing why. but for all sorts of reasons no. never mind what he MIGHT be able to do on the pitch. off the pitch no no no

[Dog]

Warm-up the sunbeds.

[ooohTerryHurlock]

When I worked at Tyrell & Green the manager of the carpet department was called Les Reed.

 

This may or may not be significant.

 

lol

[Dalek2003]

Warm-up the sunbeds.

 

Eh ?

[Dog]

Eh ?

[explorer saint]

When I worked at Tyrell & Green the manager of the carpet department was called Les Reed.

 

This may or may not be significant.

 

I heard he let people walk all over him

[bridge too far]

I heard he let people walk all over him

 

Did he make a pile?

[Miltonaggro]

Was the Departmental bully called gripper?...

[bridge too far]

I did hear he liked a s h a g

[Saint137]

I have also mentored some high profile names in coaching including Alan Curbishley, Peter Taylor, Stuart Pearce, Gianluca Vialli, Sammy Lee, and Mark Hughes. I was the original designer of the current UEFA pro Licence

 

 

 

I have trained and qualified a number of the game’s current managers and coaches at that level including the likes of; George Burley, Mick McCarthy, Alan Pardew, David O’Leary, Gary Mc Callister, Steve Bruce, Gary Megson, and have tutored a group which included, Steve McClaren, Peter Reid, Iain Dowie, Phil Brown, Gordon Strachan, Dario Gradi and many other current managers and coaches. I have conducted countless coaching courses at National and International level at home and abroad, qualifying and influencing over 2000 coaches world-wide from novice to International standard.

 

And I would say that basically all of those are serial failures apart from Dario Gradi (who has been around for longer than Les Reed). None of them are a Ferguson or a Mourinho are they?

[Cestrian Saint]

Didn't Brown totally lose the dressing room at Hull by making the players stay out on the pitch at half time following a poor first half performance. That's just the sort of tactics we need isn't it? F*cking knob. How to manage and motivate by Phil Brown. Tit!

[Gemmel]

Didn't Brown totally lose the dressing room at Hull by making the players stay out on the pitch at half time following a poor first half performance. That's just the sort of tactics we need isn't it? F*cking knob. How to manage and motivate by Phil Brown. Tit!

 

I'd take Phil Brown in a heart beat........and no thats not why he lost the dressing room

[Vic Mackey]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/profiles/phil-brown-i-want-to-give-myself-a-chance-to-manage-england-2070719.html

[Legod Third Coming]

I'm going to go out on a limb here, but I feel this approach is the right one to take. I'm not saying Reed is the right man for the role, or Brown (or whoever) the right coach, but I feel this approach is the right way forward for the 21st century.I would be quite happy with a senior football man running the whole show, with a coach running the first team. The problem in the past is young players devolopment was hindered by constant changes to the structure of the Club. Managers brought their mates in to run the youth teams and differant Managers had differant tactics. A Sporting Director of DoF, will ensure that the change in first team coach, does not mean a complete and utter upheaval. The hardest part is getting the top man right and making sure that he makes the football decisions, not Lowe or NC. One of the main reasons the DoF hasn't worked here is that the DoF's have always been Managers who secretly want the top job, whether it be Redknapp at Skates or even Woodward for us.Abroad the Sporting Directors role is a completely seperate one from the Manager and specialists in that role generally stick to that role.

 

Perhaps someone like Steve Coppell or Dario Gradi could fullfil the role.

 

Can you imagine any decent manager being prepared to work under the direction of an Academy Head?

 

Let's look at how football works. A manager has to work to HIS methods - they are all unique human beings. There is no coaching manual that defines the right way to manage is there? Otherwise, why don't they all read it and then win all their games? They can't. Because leadership, motivation, inspiration - these are not skills, they are traits. What do you think Mourinho learnt more from, a coaching manual or Sir Bobby Robson?

 

The very idea that there can be a club style is at best far fetched. Unless you think managers can be made in a mould? Mk 1 leaves so you appoint Mk II, is that it? Or do you clone them?

 

But equally, why the hell does there have to be a production line from Academy to first team? Are we saying that young footballers have to be trained a certain way for each club? Again, this is nonsense. Footballers can or can't play football. These days they are ALL taught better ball control, and better technical skills. Liverpool's Academy is run by Dutch coaches - I don't see them dictating Roy Hodgson's style? Nor do I see him giving a stuff about them - other than hoping the deliver him a diamond or two. Young footballers fall by the wayside - that's the nature of all sport. Cream rises. Some will make it. Who genuinely believes you can progress a cohort from 10 -18, kickabout to league winners? Name the teams and sports where this occurs?

 

It would be ridiculous to imagine that from the first team down, the entire club need to be focused on producing a footballer who can play at left back in six years time...

 

I am against a DoF, unless appointed by and or with the manager. It is inevitable that he will involve himself in first team affairs and in war, you can have one leader - not a committee, not a discussion, not a consensus. Leadership.

 

And one final point. Ours is a youth set-up that delivered the two most promising footballers in the Premiership today. Bale and Walcott. Were it not for 'forwad-thinking/innovation', today they could have been plying their trade with US in the Premiership...

[SaintRichmond]

I heard he let people walk all over him

 

Suffered with Piles as well

[Topcat]

Can you imagine any decent manager being prepared to work under the direction of an Academy Head?

 

Ours is a youth set-up that delivered the two most promising footballers in the Premiership today. Bale and Walcott. Were it not for 'forwad-thinking/innovation', today they could have been plying their trade with US in the Premiership...

 

That setup relied on a very able Academy coach. They did not meddle in the first team or transfers etc.

[Lord Duckhunter]

Can you imagine any decent manager being prepared to work under the direction of an Academy Head?

 

Let's look at how football works. A manager has to work to HIS methods - they are all unique human beings. There is no coaching manual that defines the right way to manage is there? Otherwise, why don't they all read it and then win all their games? They can't. Because leadership, motivation, inspiration - these are not skills, they are traits. What do you think Mourinho learnt more from, a coaching manual or Sir Bobby Robson?

 

The very idea that there can be a club style is at best far fetched. Unless you think managers can be made in a mould? Mk 1 leaves so you appoint Mk II, is that it? Or do you clone them?

 

But equally, why the hell does there have to be a production line from Academy to first team? Are we saying that young footballers have to be trained a certain way for each club? Again, this is nonsense. Footballers can or can't play football. These days they are ALL taught better ball control, and better technical skills. Liverpool's Academy is run by Dutch coaches - I don't see them dictating Roy Hodgson's style? Nor do I see him giving a stuff about them - other than hoping the deliver him a diamond or two. Young footballers fall by the wayside - that's the nature of all sport. Cream rises. Some will make it. Who genuinely believes you can progress a cohort from 10 -18, kickabout to league winners? Name the teams and sports where this occurs?

 

It would be ridiculous to imagine that from the first team down, the entire club need to be focused on producing a footballer who can play at left back in six years time...

 

I am against a DoF, unless appointed by and or with the manager. It is inevitable that he will involve himself in first team affairs and in war, you can have one leader - not a committee, not a discussion, not a consensus. Leadership.

 

And one final point. Ours is a youth set-up that delivered the two most promising footballers in the Premiership today. Bale and Walcott. Were it not for 'forwad-thinking/innovation', today they could have been plying their trade with US in the Premiership...

 

I said a Sporting Director or DoF, not the Academy head, which again is a completely seperate job.This is what I wrote "I would be quite happy with a senior football man running the whole show"

 

It works abroad, both Hodgson and Mourinho will have worked under a Sporting director, in fact so will have Bobby Robson.The English failure to this postion is down to Chairman, which was Lowe's problem with it, interfering or the "Sporting Director" wanting to run the whole show.Abroad The Manager runs the first team and the Sporting Director runs the rest of the football side of things.Andoni Zubizarreta won 125 caps for Spain, he is now DoF ar Barcelona, his position is no threat to Pep Guardiola and was not appointed by him.Yet you claim no decent Manager will work under this system.

[ALWAYS_SFC]

Can you imagine any decent manager being prepared to work under the direction of an Academy Head?

 

Let's look at how football works. A manager has to work to HIS methods - they are all unique human beings. There is no coaching manual that defines the right way to manage is there? Otherwise, why don't they all read it and then win all their games? They can't. Because leadership, motivation, inspiration - these are not skills, they are traits. What do you think Mourinho learnt more from, a coaching manual or Sir Bobby Robson?

 

The very idea that there can be a club style is at best far fetched. Unless you think managers can be made in a mould? Mk 1 leaves so you appoint Mk II, is that it? Or do you clone them?

 

But equally, why the hell does there have to be a production line from Academy to first team? Are we saying that young footballers have to be trained a certain way for each club? Again, this is nonsense. Footballers can or can't play football. These days they are ALL taught better ball control, and better technical skills. Liverpool's Academy is run by Dutch coaches - I don't see them dictating Roy Hodgson's style? Nor do I see him giving a stuff about them - other than hoping the deliver him a diamond or two. Young footballers fall by the wayside - that's the nature of all sport. Cream rises. Some will make it. Who genuinely believes you can progress a cohort from 10 -18, kickabout to league winners? Name the teams and sports where this occurs?

 

It would be ridiculous to imagine that from the first team down, the entire club need to be focused on producing a footballer who can play at left back in six years time...

 

I am against a DoF, unless appointed by and or with the manager. It is inevitable that he will involve himself in first team affairs and in war, you can have one leader - not a committee, not a discussion, not a consensus. Leadership.

 

And one final point. Ours is a youth set-up that delivered the two most promising footballers in the Premiership today. Bale and Walcott. Were it not for 'forwad-thinking/innovation', today they could have been plying their trade with US in the Premiership...

 

Best post i have read i ages.

[Legod Third Coming]

I said a Sporting Director or DoF, not the Academy head, which again is a completely seperate job.This is what I wrote "I would be quite happy with a senior football man running the whole show"

 

It works abroad, both Hodgson and Mourinho will have worked under a Sporting director, in fact so will have Bobby Robson.The English failure to this postion is down to Chairman, which was Lowe's problem with it, interfering or the "Sporting Director" wanting to run the whole show.Abroad The Manager runs the first team and the Sporting Director runs the rest of the football side of things.Andoni Zubizarreta won 125 caps for Spain, he is now DoF ar Barcelona, his position is no threat to Pep Guardiola and was not appointed by him.Yet you claim no decent Manager will work under this system.

 

The people you mention are primarily there to buy and sell players and run 'the football side of the club' because the clubs concerned are run by Presidents on a rotational basis...They are usually businessmen with other interests, or media magnates. They aren't running the club day-to-day. Therefore you have to have some consistency within the framework and fabric of the club. It is the same role a Chairman does for most clubs in the UK. I don't believe Cortese is also the Italian president, perhaps he is...

 

If a Chairman chooses to divest himself of this role, fine. But the idea of some glorious 'system' that can overcome the fragility of managerial changes is a nonsense. That's why Madrid won feck all and have now realised you have to invest in the best manager available, irrespective of a DoF - and if you think he will take direction on how to run a football team, forget it.

[Lord Duckhunter]

 

If a Chairman chooses to divest himself of this role, fine. But the idea of some glorious 'system' that can overcome the fragility of managerial changes is a nonsense. That's why Madrid won feck all and have now realised you have to invest in the best manager available, irrespective of a DoF - and if you think he will take direction on how to run a football team, forget it.

 

Ex Spainish footballer Miguel Pardeza is Sporting director at Real, with Mourinho as head coach. It was the same at Inter with Marco Branco another ex footballer filing the role with Mourinho again as head coach.Why is it that as soon as someone is given the title "Head Coach" then all the "it doesn't work in England" posts come out. What is wrong with Steve Coppell/Dario Gradi as Sporting director with Eddie Howe/Nigel Adkins as Head Coach? It's exactly the same as Pardeza and Mourinho's set up.

[Legod Third Coming]

Ex Spainish footballer Miguel Pardeza is Sporting director at Real, with Mourinho as head coach. It was the same at Inter with Marco Branco another ex footballer filing the role with Mourinho again as head coach.Why is it that as soon as someone is given the title "Head Coach" then all the "it doesn't work in England" posts come out. What is wrong with Steve Coppell/Dario Gradi as Sporting director with Eddie Howe/Nigel Adkins as Head Coach? It's exactly the same as Pardeza and Mourinho's set up.

 

Is it? You think someone comes to Mourinho and says we will/won't buy this player? Really?? And how about the reason why we don't need to adopt a European model is that we're in England?

Maybe we should also ask the coach driver to drive on the right, that seems to work very well for Barcelona.

[Thedelldays]

Is it? You think someone comes to Mourinho and says we will/won't buy this player? Really?? And how about the reason why we don't need to adopt a European model is that we're in England?

Maybe we should also ask the coach driver to drive on the right, that seems to work very well for Barcelona.

 

yes.

he was called roman abramovic..

[Lord Duckhunter]

Is it? You think someone comes to Mourinho and says we will/won't buy this player? Really?? And how about the reason why we don't need to adopt a European model is that we're in England?

Maybe we should also ask the coach driver to drive on the right, that seems to work very well for Barcelona.

 

Where have I ever said that someone comes to Mourinho and says we will/wont buy this player?

 

The set up is ex Footballer Pardeza is Sporting director and Mourinho head coach, how's that differant from ex footballer Coppell and Eddie Howe fulfilling the exact same roles?

[Legod Third Coming]

yes.

he was called roman abramovic..

 

Which is why Inter won the Champion's League and Chelsea didn't.

[Thedelldays]

Which is why Inter won the Champion's League and Chelsea didn't.

 

arrrrr right...his time at chelsea was a disaster want it.....