What exactly are your gripes with Cortese?

[dune]

For me the only gripe I have is the £3 ticket tax because it affects me and costs me money.

 

Apart from that very few of the other "issues" affect me enough to hold a strong view either way.

[JustMike]

oh look another thread

[Fitzhugh Fella]

I have got no gripes against NC - he is the boss whether we like the way he does things or not.

It could be a lot worse as we could have a chairman who doesn't care and doesn't invest.

We now have a new manager and now we are going to have to sit back and give him 6 months to get settled.

Unfortunately this means promotion is a long shot and the 5-year plan is under threat but we really have had too much instability at Southampton FC and whatever we all think our only choice is to put all the politics behind us and hope that Nigel Adkins with Nicola Cortese's support can finally stop the rot.

 

There are no other options.

[dune]

oh look another thread

 

Yep, but it's time we got to the bottom of the agendas against him, and it's a chance for those without any gripes to say they have none. I think it's got stupid how some people are concerning themselves with issues that don't affect them for example, and using these issues to beat him with. The ticket tax has really annoyed me because I consider it to be a rip-off and I resent having to pay a premium over and above the cost of P+P because it's not right and I believe that i'm perfectly right to say it's wrong.

[JustMike]

Yep, but it's time we got to the bottom of the agendas against him, and it's a chance for those without any gripes to say they have none. I think it's got stupid how some people are concerning themselves with issues that don't affect them for example, and using these issues to beat him with. The ticket tax has really annoyed me because I consider it to be a rip-off and I resent having to pay a premium over and above the cost of P+P because it's not right and I believe that i'm perfectly right to say it's wrong.

 

The ticket tax is quite common on most things now (cinema / theatre etc) I also see MK dons were charging £25 face value, so is that not a stealth tax?

[david in sweden]

I'm sure someone's memoires will reveal the real reasons for AP sacking, but based on the back end of last season and many individual performances I'd say AP was doing a good job....despite the early season hiccups. The sad demise of Marcus Liebherr

was the trigger for Cortese to pull and it was obvious that he was unhappy with AP, (for his own reasons). In a world that seems to condone ; adultery, drug abuse, manslaughter or sexual orientataion, few people lose their jobs.. or have their careers ruined beacuse of it.

 

Cortese may have made the classic " bosses " mistake in sacking a guy he doesn't like personally. In the real world, if the majority of the players and fans respect the manager.... and the S.O.B. gets results - you don't touch him. The 4-0 slaughter of Bristol Rovers may well have been the first step on the road to recovery, but at present we are little better off than when we started last season with -10 points.

 

As a fan of over 50 years, I am no longer surprised, or even angry ...merely sad at the outcome.

You can't change history and I REALLY hope that Adkins can turn this around because L2 looks like a black hole from which few ever escape. Whatever else, Adkins will have to work very hard (and quickly) to establish good realtionship with the players and avoid a mass of transfer requests come January.

[dune]

The ticket tax is quite common on most things now (cinema / theatre etc) I also see MK dons were charging £25 face value, so is that not a stealth tax?

 

I'm not going to get into another debate over this rip-off tax other than to say it's a rip-off tax and it ****es me off.

[saintbletch]

I have got no gripes against NC - he is the boss whether we like the way he does things or not.

It could be a lot worse as we could have a chairman who doesn't care and doesn't invest.

We now have a new manager and now we are going to have to sit back and give him 6 months to get settled.

Unfortunately this means promotion is a long shot and the 5-year plan is under threat but we really have had too much instability at Southampton FC and whatever we all think our only choice is to put all the politics behind us and hope that Nigel Adkins with Nicola Cortese's support can finally stop the rot.

 

There are no other options.

 

Agree with all this Duncan.

 

Whilst I wouldn't describe it as a gripe, my concern is that NC either doesn't know or perhaps more worryingly care how to a) deal properly with the supporters and b) respect the history of the club that he is currently custodian of.

 

There are many examples now of how he has blemished the name and reputation of the club and I'm prepared to put that down to a Swiss banker still learning how to run an English football club. If such behaviour were to continue over the years then unless we're enjoying great sporting success, then I feel many will turn on him.

[shurlock]

Another thread on this- have you got tourettes?

[Foxstone]

I have no gripes against Cortese...

 

Just thought I would mention it....

[lordswoodsaints]

'apart from the sanitation, medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh water system and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?'

 

I don't have any gripes with NC.

[buctootim]

I have no gripes against Cortese either. His PR skills arent the best - one of the most important aspects of change management is not simply making the right choices, but also communicating why those changes are necessary. But I'd much rather have a Chairman who is doing the right things for the right reasons than somebody full of populist guff who leads the club to the brink again.

[alpine_saint]

I have got no gripes against NC - he is the boss whether we like the way he does things or not.

It could be a lot worse as we could have a chairman who doesn't care and doesn't invest.

We now have a new manager and now we are going to have to sit back and give him 6 months to get settled.

Unfortunately this means promotion is a long shot and the 5-year plan is under threat but we really have had too much instability at Southampton FC and whatever we all think our only choice is to put all the politics behind us and hope that Nigel Adkins with Nicola Cortese's support can finally stop the rot.

 

There are no other options.

 

Best post on here for ages. We are where we are.

 

You can either accept it, and support, or f**k right off.

[Harry Faz]

Best post on here for ages. We are where we are.

 

You can either accept it, and support, or f**k right off.

 

Disagree . We can support - and still express a view as to what is happening to the football club, that is the nature of being a supporter, we support the club regardless of who is the chairman and what their current plans are - sometimes we will agree and sometimes not - but we will always be here.

[leftback]

I'm sure someone's memoires will reveal the real reasons for AP sacking, but based on the back end of last season and many individual performances I'd say AP was doing a good job....despite the early season hiccups. The sad demise of Marcus Liebherr

was the trigger for Cortese to pull and it was obvious that he was unhappy with AP, (for his own reasons). In a world that seems to condone ; adultery, drug abuse, manslaughter or sexual orientataion, few people lose their jobs.. or have their careers ruined beacuse of it.

 

Cortese may have made the classic " bosses " mistake in sacking a guy he doesn't like personally. In the real world, if the majority of the players and fans respect the manager.... and the S.O.B. gets results - you don't touch him. The 4-0 slaughter of Bristol Rovers may well have been the first step on the road to recovery, but at present we are little better off than when we started last season with -10 points.

 

As a fan of over 50 years, I am no longer surprised, or even angry ...merely sad at the outcome.

You can't change history and I REALLY hope that Adkins can turn this around because L2 looks like a black hole from which few ever escape. Whatever else, Adkins will have to work very hard (and quickly) to establish good realtionship with the players and avoid a mass of transfer requests come January.

 

after going to game last night, my gripe now on reflection is...... ok you dont get on with.. ap,only one winner there!

 

Did he get rid of the wrong two coaches?..na has taken over a thoroughly demoralised squad,that is lacking in confidence,this is a million miles away from the performances (if not the results)against plymouth... battered them for 30 mins,even better start for first 30mins v o's and competed with bolton, then turned the corner with complete performance at gassers. wilkins has ruined the moral,confidence and team spirit during his brief role along with m hunter(WHO HE!!!). na has said what agreat job he did as caretaker,i think it was criminal.

dont know how much input murdoch had as gk coach but downes was well liked by players by all accounts and had had success at reading. the players arent playing now and they were before compared to last night. so my gripe is nc you have cost us another 9 points a cup exit and now na has to pick the players off the floor......the best squad in the league!!!! we were after b rovers . NC failed to take into account that these things do affect players no matter what positive spin they put out. this is a bloody tough job now. gripe over

[alpine_saint]

Disagree . We can support - and still express a view as to what is happening to the football club, that is the nature of being a supporter, we support the club regardless of who is the chairman and what their current plans are - sometimes we will agree and sometimes not - but we will always be here.

 

Not if your name is Dibden Purlieu Saint, apparently..

[Alanh]

Best post on here for ages. We are where we are.

 

You can either accept it, and support, or f**k right off.

 

Agree that it's a good post, but your last sentence has a whiff of 'pot, kettle, black' about it. You are never slow to come forward with a moan if you aren't happy with something - sometimes with good reason. Surely suggesting that we 'accept it and support, or f**k off' is counter to your own approach to supporting Saints.

[alpine_saint]

Agree that it's a good post, but your last sentence has a whiff of 'pot, kettle, black' about it. You are never slow to come forward with a moan if you aren't happy with something - sometimes with good reason. Surely suggesting that we 'accept it and support, or f**k off' is counter to your own approach to supporting Saints.

 

The only Saints set-up in the past 5 years that I have moaned about without giving it a chance (seeing how it goes) was Poortvillet/Wotte/Lowe, because it was ball-achingly clear that was only going to go one way from the start, since it was an ultra-cheap option.

 

I supported both Pardew and Burley at first, until they demonstrated they werent up to the job.

[Alanh]

The only Saints set-up in the past 5 years that I have moaned about without giving it a chance (seeing how it goes) was Poortvillet/Wotte/Lowe, because it was ball-achingly clear that was only going to go one way from the start, since it was an ultra-cheap option.

 

I supported both Pardew and Burley at first, until they demonstrated they werent up to the job.

 

Sure, I was making reference to more than just the management team. Your suggestion that people should 'accept it and support, or f**k off' implies that supporters have no right to moan regardless of the situation.

[LostBoys]

I would not argue with too many of these gripes but you cannot blame Cortese for the fact that we cannot hit a barn door shooting, can trap a bag of cement ball control, and conceding stupid goals.

[MerceSaint28]

My gripes are thus -

 

1/ Lack of interaction with the fans - i understand we cannot know everything ie why Pards was sacked but please tell us something.

Part of the frustration with Lowe was lack of information which created dis-trust.

 

2/ Making bold statements and not backing the up - ie we want to be in the prem in 5 years...okay great, well we are not going to get there if you turn off the money tap. £500k spent this summer, off set by £400 k received from the Van Damme deal.

With multiple holes to fill in the side we did not spend money on improving the side, why?????????

Its great that we are getting good coaches, uefa marketing men, yawn yawn, doesn't mean anything on a saturday afternoon, you need to improve the quality on the pitch. Best catering in the Premiership, remember that staement??? there is a warning if ever i heard one.

As a business man that he is, i also don't get it either. if im a company i don't employ half a good team and stop when the job is not complete, so why does he???

The signs to everyone else is he has stopped spending money, this is not going to help attract players or sell a vision

 

3/ Perceived arrogance. Get a PR man in to stop the negative press. We have been battered from pillar to post over all kinds of issues, with things which could of been handled much better. Frankly the photographer ban was emberassing....

 

Just a few things i have observed.....

[Dr Who?]

I do not have any, as I do not really know what has and is going on at the club, just media reports. I think he is a good businessman and wants the best for the club, but I am not sure if he is or isn't going about this in the right way!

[Freemantle Saint]

My gripes are thus -

 

1/ Lack of interaction with the fans - i understand we cannot know everything ie why Pards was sacked but please tell us something.

Part of the frustration with Lowe was lack of information which created dis-trust.

 

2/ Making bold statements and not backing the up - ie we want to be in the prem in 5 years...okay great, well we are not going to get there if you turn off the money tap. £500k spent this summer, off set by £400 k received from the Van Damme deal.

With multiple holes to fill in the side we did not spend money on improving the side, why?????????

Its great that we are getting good coaches, uefa marketing men, yawn yawn, doesn't mean anything on a saturday afternoon, you need to improve the quality on the pitch. Best catering in the Premiership, remember that staement??? there is a warning if ever i heard one.

As a business man that he is, i also don't get it either. if im a company i don't employ half a good team and stop when the job is not complete, so why does he???

The signs to everyone else is he has stopped spending money, this is not going to help attract players or sell a vision

 

3/ Perceived arrogance. Get a PR man in to stop the negative press. We have been battered from pillar to post over all kinds of issues, with things which could of been handled much better. Frankly the photographer ban was emberassing....

 

Just a few things i have observed.....

 

 

Agree with these points....cortese may be a good guy but his inability to deal with the media hurts him.

[Big John]

That he did not learn from is major faux-pas pre JPT final. And many fans missed out.

 

I am confident that we would have been able to obtain thousands more tickets had he not sounded off publicly about their supposed dogged resistance. Negotiations were still at an early stage when he decided to launch his attack in the media.

[paulsfc]

Sacking AP - to me anything else is irrelevant (though can understand why the 'ticket tax' and lack of notice on instalment plans has irked some). Football is a results business, AP was getting results, we have since had 4 games where we have been truly truly dreadful and unless NA is a miracle worker then it'll be a few more before we get ourselves going again. That decision, for whatever reason it was taken, has potentially killed our chances of promotion (yes there are plenty of games left but currently we look shot to pieces). It could be a massive massive error by NC and was a big risk to take from a results on the pitch point of view. Of course if NA does turn it around and we go up then no harm done.

[trousers]

after going to game last night, my gripe now on reflection is...... ok you dont get on with.. ap,only one winner there!

 

Did he get rid of the wrong two coaches?..na has taken over a thoroughly demoralised squad,that is lacking in confidence,this is a million miles away from the performances (if not the results)against plymouth... battered them for 30 mins,even better start for first 30mins v o's and competed with bolton, then turned the corner with complete performance at gassers. wilkins has ruined the moral,confidence and team spirit during his brief role along with m hunter(WHO HE!!!). na has said what agreat job he did as caretaker,i think it was criminal.

dont know how much input murdoch had as gk coach but downes was well liked by players by all accounts and had had success at reading. the players arent playing now and they were before compared to last night. so my gripe is nc you have cost us another 9 points a cup exit and now na has to pick the players off the floor......the best squad in the league!!!! we were after b rovers . NC failed to take into account that these things do affect players no matter what positive spin they put out. this is a bloody tough job now. gripe over

 

Do you dictate your posts via 'LifeLongSaint'....? ;-)

 

Also, why are footballers so delicate beings when it comes to dealing with managerial change and politics? If you're a professional player then just get on with showing everyone how good you are for 90 minutes on the field.

 

If a pilot or surgeon doesn't get on with his boss how would you feel if he took his mind off the job when at work?

 

Footballers: pull yourself together and rise above the politics. You have a privileged life. Deal with it FFS

[Ian the Red]

No gripes, if I had any there is nothing that can be done, so get behind the manager and the team.

 

Once we have won this s**t league I wonder how many will be knocking NC then???

[Legod Third Coming]

I'll give you three:

 

1. He's a banker. If you're about to face a cut in salary, unemployment, no interest on your savings...

 

2. He's Italian.

 

3. See 1 and 2 above.

[revolution saint]

Best post on here for ages. We are where we are.

 

You can either accept it, and support, or f**k right off.

 

The only Saints set-up in the past 5 years that I have moaned about without giving it a chance (seeing how it goes) was Poortvillet/Wotte/Lowe, because it was ball-achingly clear that was only going to go one way from the start, since it was an ultra-cheap option.

 

I supported both Pardew and Burley at first, until they demonstrated they werent up to the job.

 

I agree with this whole heartedly. I often wonder whether it's right to criticise or not. Until Alpine tells me someone isn't up to the job then they're fine by me.

[Smirking_Saint]

Jesus Dune you positively hated him during mental post June/July. Now its only the ticket tax ???

 

I think he still needs to be more fan facing at times, and atleast communicate a little better, i don't think he is the devil, just the fact that because nobody knows his reasoning people make their own opinions, and this added to the old hangers on that speak of him as the devil and pose it as fact just adds to stir everything up.

[David Strover]

I don't mind him. He's a boss and if they're popular with everyone they're not doing there job properly.

 

And it has to be remembered he doesn't actually play football so once the game starts it's down to the shiftless, gutless, spiritless, round-shouldered wimps who are going to 'kick on from here' and are '..ready for hard work' and tell us the 'squad has quality' and they are 'seeking momentum' every frickin' week and then play the same crappy way every week.....At the moment I've got a problem with them - they are professionals at the sharp end and they aren't delivering.

 

Just 'cause there are upheavals do you suddenly forget how to play controlled good football? I don't forget how to use a computer if my boss gets the sack or leaves...

Edited 16 September, 2010 by David Strover

[Freemantle Saint]

my gripe is he sacked the manager for "non footballing" reasons.

 

i know for a fact it had nothing to do with boozing or any players wives.

 

For one thing one of the names bandied around on here wanted to leave due to pardews sacking.

people shy away when cortese comes along.....lets see if he allows matty,franny and lawrie in the ex saints box tomorrow.

 

Matty probably on sky but as for the rest.........

 

he blames them for publicly backing pardew, thus stopping him fom sacking him in summer.....

[Rut]

Q/ What exactly are your gripes with Cortese?

 

A/ His first name is Nicola. I was expecting a leggy Italian bird - not some geezer.

[Pilchards]

Q/ What exactly are your gripes with Cortese?

 

A/ His first name is Nicola. I was expecting a leggy Italian bird - not some geezer.

 

You was not so fussy years ago when we went drinking in Totton. ;-)

[trousers]

my gripe is he sacked the manager for "non footballing" reasons.

 

i know for a fact it had nothing to do with boozing or any players wives.

 

For one thing one of the names bandied around on here wanted to leave due to pardews sacking.

people shy away when cortese comes along.....lets see if he allows matty,franny and lawrie in the ex saints box tomorrow.

 

Matty probably on sky but as for the rest.........

 

he blames them for publicly backing pardew, thus stopping him fom sacking him in summer.....

 

Source?

[70's Mike]

only gripe i have is car parking charges for people going to support club away from home, just seems like a real kick in the teeth to me

[Legod Third Coming]

You was not so fussy years ago when we went drinking in Totton. ;-)

 

Ha ha, great post to start the day. Now we just need a bit of sun, not too much Boat Show traffic and three points (oh and three goals would be nice).

[docker-p]

Banning the local press

Thinking he can ban press photographers and get away with it.

Banning fans that criticise him.

Rip off booking fees.

Charging traveling Saints fans for parking in the car park on away days.

Sacking a manager capable of promoting us after three games.

Very bad PR surrounding the signing of a new manager.

To name but a few.

However, all these minuses have to be balanced against the excellent youth policy I hear he is putting in place and the investment to training facilities, two policies often over looked by owners who are in a hurry. Which makes it all the more galling he can screw up the easy bits so often.

[saint_mears]

1) Going on air criticising Alan Pardew when that should of been kept in house.

2) Lieing to fans with a pr scripted statement that Pardew was never going to be sacked.

3) Slagging off Le Tissier and Big Mac for no reason whatsoever in the same amateurish statement.

4) Clearly creating a disillusioned team and managament with his row with Pardew.

5) The fiasco of telling fans so late about season ticket details and thus no payment plan. Limp wrist excuse given months later.

6) Online/telephone booking fees are a total rip off and something the club has never had before. Who cares what happens elsewhere. At a push it should be nothng more than £1 to cover postage.

7) Taking fans for granted

Alienating the clubs legends in some sort of ego battle.

9) Hiding behind a London based PR spin doctor called David Bick of square 1 consulting.

10) A 'I know best' attitued that we have seen before from someone who was a total rookie at running a football club.

11) Banning the Daily Echo due to some petty reason at them printing a planning application that was in the public domain.

12) Banning the Daily Echo from using the club crest that was designed by a fan. Its plastered all over the web on many websites.

13) Banning a fan from having a season ticket because he complained about the season ticket fiasco.

14) The amateurish decision to ban photographers from SMS.

15) Acting like a director of football.

16) Undermining Alan Pardew for months so he could force him out the door without the need to pay his contract up/compensation. This merely created a terrible working environment that killed stone dead pre-season.

17) The club pr created farce of bringing in Nigel Adkins and then trying to blame others.

18) Charging fans who go to away games to park their cars at SMS is a total insult.

 

The bottom line is Cortese is no way some sort of god that fans portray see him as on here. He has made more bad decisions in his first year than Lowe ever did. He can of course learn from his mistakes but he will have to drop the 'my way or no way' attitude and let people get on with their jobs.

[CB Fry]

Banning the local press

Thinking he can ban press photographers and get away with it.

Banning fans that criticise him.

Rip off booking fees.

Charging traveling Saints fans for parking in the car park on away days.

Sacking a manager capable of promoting us after three games.

Very bad PR surrounding the signing of a new manager.

To name but a few.

However, all these minuses have to be balanced against the excellent youth policy I hear he is putting in place and the investment to training facilities, two policies often over looked by owners who are in a hurry. Which makes it all the more galling he can screw up the easy bits so often.

 

1) Going on air criticising Alan Pardew when that should of been kept in house.

2) Lieing to fans with a pr scripted statement that Pardew was never going to be sacked.

3) Slagging off Le Tissier and Big Mac for no reason whatsoever in the same amateurish statement.

4) Clearly creating a disillusioned team and managament with his row with Pardew.

5) The fiasco of telling fans so late about season ticket details and thus no payment plan. Limp wrist excuse given months later.

6) Online/telephone booking fees are a total rip off and something the club has never had before. Who cares what happens elsewhere. At a push it should be nothng more than £1 to cover postage.

7) Taking fans for granted

8 ) Alienating the clubs legends in some sort of ego battle.

9) Hiding behind a London based PR spin doctor called David Bick of square 1 consulting.

10) A 'I know best' attitued that we have seen before from someone who was a total rookie at running a football club.

11) Banning the Daily Echo due to some petty reason at them printing a planning application that was in the public domain.

12) Banning the Daily Echo from using the club crest that was designed by a fan. Its plastered all over the web on many websites.

13) Banning a fan from having a season ticket because he complained about the season ticket fiasco.

14) The amateurish decision to ban photographers from SMS.

15) Acting like a director of football.

16) Undermining Alan Pardew for months so he could force him out the door without the need to pay his contract up/compensation. This merely created a terrible working environment that killed stone dead pre-season.

17) The club pr created farce of bringing in Nigel Adkins and then trying to blame others.

18 ) Charging fans who go to away games to park their cars at SMS is a total insult.

 

The bottom line is Cortese is no way some sort of god that fans portray see him as on here. He has made more bad decisions in his first year than Lowe ever did. He can of course learn from his mistakes but he will have to drop the 'my way or no way' attitude and let people get on with their jobs.

 

 

These are both good posts. The petty, childish and pathetic actions against the Echo speak volumes about the man. His "diddums" attitude in the face of any analysis or anyone daring to question his actions show he isn't made of the right stuff to run a professional football club.

 

He lashes out at the slightest criticism with nonsense like banning every photographer and banning nearly everyone from press conferences.

 

Well, this is league one football. If we ever do get into the premier league the scrutiny is far greater. He can't hack it in the muppet league we are currently in. He definitely won't cope in the top division.

 

You need the skin of a rhino to run a football club. Cortese is made of so much crepe paper I worry he might blow away.

 

 

 

 

Oh, and he sacked a manager after a 4-0 win. We haven't scored since.

[Wopper]

Comes across as a ****y little sod with no idea how to run a successful football club.

[Freemantle Saint]

Source?

 

 

Source from within the club...

 

Futher more most staff get out of the way when they see cortese appoaching..

 

His plan for the club is not what is publicised...

 

The cortese/reed/1st team coach will all be running picking 1st eleven.

 

Look at the players body language....not happy. just like most st marys staff....

[leftback]

1) Going on air criticising Alan Pardew when that should of been kept in house.

2) Lieing to fans with a pr scripted statement that Pardew was never going to be sacked.

3) Slagging off Le Tissier and Big Mac for no reason whatsoever in the same amateurish statement.

4) Clearly creating a disillusioned team and managament with his row with Pardew.

5) The fiasco of telling fans so late about season ticket details and thus no payment plan. Limp wrist excuse given months later.

6) Online/telephone booking fees are a total rip off and something the club has never had before. Who cares what happens elsewhere. At a push it should be nothng more than £1 to cover postage.

7) Taking fans for granted

Alienating the clubs legends in some sort of ego battle.

9) Hiding behind a London based PR spin doctor called David Bick of square 1 consulting.

10) A 'I know best' attitued that we have seen before from someone who was a total rookie at running a football club.

11) Banning the Daily Echo due to some petty reason at them printing a planning application that was in the public domain.

12) Banning the Daily Echo from using the club crest that was designed by a fan. Its plastered all over the web on many websites.

13) Banning a fan from having a season ticket because he complained about the season ticket fiasco.

14) The amateurish decision to ban photographers from SMS.

15) Acting like a director of football.

16) Undermining Alan Pardew for months so he could force him out the door without the need to pay his contract up/compensation. This merely created a terrible working environment that killed stone dead pre-season.

17) The club pr created farce of bringing in Nigel Adkins and then trying to blame others.

18) Charging fans who go to away games to park their cars at SMS is a total insult.

 

The bottom line is Cortese is no way some sort of god that fans portray see him as on here. He has made more bad decisions in his first year than Lowe ever did. He can of course learn from his mistakes but he will have to drop the 'my way or no way' attitude and let people get on with their jobs.

 

i thought i was the only one fully aware of Cortese' shortcomings,you are absolutely spot on. Heres one then...all i've ever heard from nc about his relationship with Marcus is from nc,never a word from the family or from marcus while he was alive. now there is a significant lack of funding in the transfer market,the much heralded work at the TG is, as we speak 7 months behind schedule.

I had lunch with the ceo of the company who built Tottenhams TG and he was absolutely scathing about nc who had initiated talks with his company for the work at staplewood,he said he was delusionary,and had an 'unworkable ego" i hope and pray that Im wrong,but Im starting to get a VERY bad feeking about the financial foundations and certainly the guy at the helm. is it me? its probably just me! do you think its me? its probably just me...........is it me? oh dont worry its probably me.

[Rut]

You was not so fussy years ago when we went drinking in Totton. ;-)

 

LOL - it was your idea to go to the Mayflower Society Totton Disco.

 

I reckon you still go to it. The Easter Bunny drinking wine by the bottle looks suspiciously like you.

[St. Jason]

For me the only gripe I have is the £3 ticket tax because it affects me and costs me money.

 

Apart from that very few of the other "issues" affect me enough to hold a strong view either way.

 

1. No installment plan

2. No notice on the removal of said plan

3. Ticket tax

4. Car park charges, if there's a q it's another £2 on you ticket

5. Photographer ban, madness, we get much more out of the deal than they do, our product in 10 million homes for free!

6. Sacking pardew with no justification, tell me why NC??

 

Yes he and Markus invested in us, I have no idea where we'd be without them but they invested, they haven't saved us or donated, they invested. They made a £13 m purchase on a company with £40m asserts! Markus should always be thanked for his investment but that should not put Cortese beyond questioning. We are the customer, we will be heard, Alpine says "support or fook off" the problem is Alpine, fans are ******* of, I've been once this season after being a season ticket holder for 21 years, it would if been 22 but for the removal of the payment an with no notice!!

[John B]

1. No installment plan

2. No notice on the removal of said plan

3. Ticket tax

4. Car park charges, if there's a q it's another £2 on you ticket

5. Photographer ban, madness, we get much more out of the deal than they do, our product in 10 million homes for free!

6. Sacking pardew with no justification, tell me why NC??

 

Yes he and Markus invested in us, I have no idea where we'd be without them but they invested, they haven't saved us or donated, they invested. They made a £13 m purchase on a company with £40m asserts! Markus should always be thanked for his investment but that should not put Cortese beyond questioning. We are the customer, we will be heard, Alpine says "support or fook off" the problem is Alpine, fans are ******* of, I've been once this season after being a season ticket holder for 21 years, it would if been 22 but for the removal of the payment an with no notice!!

 

Plus The team is in the Relegation zone

[St. Jason]

Plus The team is in the Relegation zone

 

Not so much the teams performance, i've seen a lot worse and still came back for more, it's more the self harm our club is inflecting on it's self, avoidable damage, turning the press against us, making it harder to get tickets, turning fans of. I love Saints but I'm at the age now where I question things, is it a product I need??? At the moment I do not find myself needing my fix, which is sad as I've always worked the week counting down the days till the game, last Saturday i went camping and didn't miss SFC!

[Topcat]

The attendance is now running at 4,000 below earlier this season. The communication with supporters is abysmal and the "square" PR people are being paid to do PR work whilst supporters are voting with their feet.

[Foxstone]

The attendance is now running at 4,000 below earlier this season. The communication with supporters is abysmal and the "square" PR people are being paid to do PR work whilst supporters are voting with their feet.

 

Watch it increase again when we are in the middle of a 5 game winning streak and playing good football of the type promised by NA.

 

Nothing to do with NC at all and it is disingenuous of you to suggest otherwise.

[Topcat]

Watch it increase again when we are in the middle of a 5 game winning streak and playing good football of the type promised by NA. Nothing to do with NC at all and it is disingenuous of you to suggest otherwise.

 

Of course it is everything to do with Cortese. He fired the Mgr after a 4-0 away win and then demoralised many of the players and removed the hope for many supporters had for this season. Of course Adkins may bring it back, I hope so. But you cannot deny that 4000 have stayed away after Cortese's actions. Under Lowe life when he came back for the final time he also drove away 5000 supporters.