Fitzhugh Fella Posted 13 December, 2010 Share Posted 13 December, 2010 In tonights Echo Brentford manager Andy Scott said "of our last 5 away wins that was probably the most comfortable - we could have scored a couple more. It was excellent team work, we created good chances. To come here and win is a fantastic achievement but we thoroughly deserved it". I looked for something from NA to sum up the match but instead the Echo highlighted this pearl of wisdom "I thought there was enough out there to try and get something from the game". Can anyone translate this as I am not really sure what he is saying? And then we have the Barnard situation. Has he had the op or not? Or are we still trying to confuse Walsall and not tell anyone? Are we allowed to know - have we the right? Hoping for clarity from tonight's Echo, NA says this about Barnard "He's had 2 little things going wrong in the groin area. We were hoping to get one settled and the medical team have tried to do that and we've had to go down another pathway and it's frustrating". I am sure it is Nigel but it is pretty frustrating for the fans not knowing what the hell you are talking about. Whatever your views on Pardew one area he was good at was communicating with the fans - I am not so sure NA is. Fans appreciate straight talking especially after a defeat. I haven't lost faith in NA and obviously he needs time (if NC is prepared to give it) but Saturday was a bit of a jolt and when the chips are down a manager needs to say the right things. Not talk gobbly gook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 13 December, 2010 Share Posted 13 December, 2010 Each to his own but I don't rate him at personally...Adkins that is, I think he's out of his depth already. Good results when it's easy but hasn't got a clue about players. To me dropping the consistent Harding for the airy fairy Dickson is just incomprehensible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 13 December, 2010 Share Posted 13 December, 2010 again. only a moron would hang off the usual crap a manager spouts to the media. look at any one of fergies (if he even bothers) and they are full of the same clap trap week in, week out they all have their own script and just edit it as applicable most weeks the only manager that really give an honest assessment every week, is wenger..and he gets not end of crap for it and how people can say he is out of his depth...ffs.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 13 December, 2010 Share Posted 13 December, 2010 again. only a moron would hang off the usual crap a manager spouts to the media. look at any one of fergies (if he even bothers) and they are full of the same clap trap week in, week out they all have their own script and just edit it as applicable most weeks the only manager that really give an honest assessment every week, is wenger..and he gets not end of crap for it and how people can say he is out of his depth...ffs.. Was ready to agree with you until you mentioned "i did not see it" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 13 December, 2010 Share Posted 13 December, 2010 Was ready to agree with you until you mentioned "i did not see it" even so..he is as honest as you get...never said he was 100% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super_Uwe Posted 13 December, 2010 Share Posted 13 December, 2010 At least he's not as bad as this... Or...maybe he should be more like that for comedy effect! Back to the topic - I know what you mean but I guess it's his way of dealing with the media. He still sounds like he knows more than GB ever used to anyway... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 13 December, 2010 Share Posted 13 December, 2010 "there was enough to get something from the game" in a sense..he was right..they had two goals utterly gifted to them..cant really remember kelvin having a save to make after that.. where as, we hit the woodwork twice...had an utterly blatent penalty tured down and their keeper made two cracking saves and OxO missed a great chance.. still, we did play appallingly and still created a few chances.. ffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 13 December, 2010 Share Posted 13 December, 2010 even so..he is as honest as you get...never said he was 100% your like my missus, got an answer for everything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 13 December, 2010 Share Posted 13 December, 2010 In tonights Echo Brentford manager Andy Scott said "of our last 5 away wins that was probably the most comfortable - we could have scored a couple more. It was excellent team work, we created good chances. To come here and win is a fantastic achievement but we thoroughly deserved it". I looked for something from NA to sum up the match but instead the Echo highlighted this pearl of wisdom "I thought there was enough out there to try and get something from the game". With the players we had on the pitch, we should have done better ! Can anyone translate this as I am not really sure what he is saying? And then we have the Barnard situation. Has he had the op or not? Or are we still trying to confuse Walsall and not tell anyone? Are we allowed to know - have we the right? Hoping for clarity from tonight's Echo, NA says this about Barnard He's had 2 little things going wrong in the groin area. We were hoping to get one settled and the medical team have tried to do that and we've had to go down another pathway and it's frustrating". He is injured, we don't know exactly what is wrong and we are struggling to put it right ! I am sure it is Nigel but it is pretty frustrating for the fans not knowing what the hell you are talking about. I agree FF that he should speak 'plain English', by trying to be clever he only looks like a prat ! Whatever your views on Pardew one area he was good at was communicating with the fans - I am not so sure NA is. Fans appreciate straight talking especially after a defeat. I haven't lost faith in NA and obviously he needs time (if NC is prepared to give it) but Saturday was a bit of a jolt and when the chips are down a manager needs to say the right things. Not talk gobbly gook. Oh well, I suppose a few good results and this will all go away but I am not holding my breath ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madruss Posted 13 December, 2010 Share Posted 13 December, 2010 Each to his own but I don't rate him at personally...Adkins that is, I think he's out of his depth already. Good results when it's easy but hasn't got a clue about players. To me dropping the consistent Harding for the airy fairy Dickson is just incomprehensible. Any manager who DIDN'T drop Harding after the horrorshow at Carlisle should have been sacked. Plus Dickson's been quality since he came into the side..miles better than harding who's been consistently average this season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 13 December, 2010 Share Posted 13 December, 2010 I don't care about cunning linguists, but we need a few less pussies in our team!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clifford Nelson Posted 13 December, 2010 Share Posted 13 December, 2010 In tonights Echo Brentford manager Andy Scott said "of our last 5 away wins that was probably the most comfortable - we could have scored a couple more. It was excellent team work, we created good chances. To come here and win is a fantastic achievement but we thoroughly deserved it". I looked for something from NA to sum up the match but instead the Echo highlighted this pearl of wisdom "I thought there was enough out there to try and get something from the game". Can anyone translate this as I am not really sure what he is saying? And then we have the Barnard situation. Has he had the op or not? Or are we still trying to confuse Walsall and not tell anyone? Are we allowed to know - have we the right? Hoping for clarity from tonight's Echo, NA says this about Barnard "He's had 2 little things going wrong in the groin area. We were hoping to get one settled and the medical team have tried to do that and we've had to go down another pathway and it's frustrating". I am sure it is Nigel but it is pretty frustrating for the fans not knowing what the hell you are talking about. Whatever your views on Pardew one area he was good at was communicating with the fans - I am not so sure NA is. Fans appreciate straight talking especially after a defeat. I haven't lost faith in NA and obviously he needs time (if NC is prepared to give it) but Saturday was a bit of a jolt and when the chips are down a manager needs to say the right things. Not talk gobbly gook. It is much easier to express yourself clearly when you are celebrating a win. I don't think Andy Scott said anything of exceptional clarity or depth. Adkins can ramble on a bit, which we knew from before we signed him, and he still does. Probably somebody who speaks whilst he thinks. Pardew expressed himself pretty clearly, but failed to convince me most of the time. Either I thought he had the wrong solutions; the wrong analysis; or both. The only thing that was really clear to me was the lack of depth in the thinking. I am happy to let Adkins ramble for a while, because the end result is not in the interviews. It is in what he has seen so far of Pardews old team, how he intend to change things in January; and what that will get us in the end of the season. To me it feels like he just arrived "in the building". He has turned around our fortunes if we compare with Pardews start of the season and the few games under Wilkins. The lack of motivation by the players in the Brentford game was poor, but also something which we are famed for every time it looks like a win may be really useful. It is the Saints bete noir which has followed us under every manager for years, and to be honest I haven't got a clue how to get rid of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 13 December, 2010 Share Posted 13 December, 2010 I lost quite a bit of respect for him on Saturday...any manager that makes one tactical change until 81 minutes when you are 0-2 down has me worried. There were loads of things he could of tried, Lallana in the middle, Dickson and Harding on the left, try Doble or Harlee Dean even changed Oscar for Hammond or MS. We should never ever play MS and Hammond at home again in the middle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 13 December, 2010 Share Posted 13 December, 2010 he did make tactical changes before the substitution. Problem was the team as a whole looked steam rollered by a big athletic team hutning in packs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 13 December, 2010 Share Posted 13 December, 2010 I like the honest approach. We were ****e, the players were ****e, the manager was ****e and the fans were ****e. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 13 December, 2010 Share Posted 13 December, 2010 I don't care about cunning linguists, but we need a few less pussies in our team!!!! Did I miss the cheerleaders at half time again ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 13 December, 2010 Share Posted 13 December, 2010 (edited) I agree Gemmell apart from the fans bit...there was a great 20 minute rendition second half but the team gave nothing back...nor did the manager. Edited 13 December, 2010 by Give it to Ron wrong quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 13 December, 2010 Share Posted 13 December, 2010 he did make tactical changes before the substitution. Problem was the team as a whole looked steam rollered by a big athletic team hutning in packs The only change I saw was Chambelain and Guly swap...what else did we do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toomer Posted 13 December, 2010 Share Posted 13 December, 2010 The jury is still out in the Toomer household. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 13 December, 2010 Share Posted 13 December, 2010 Any manager who DIDN'T drop Harding after the horrorshow at Carlisle should have been sacked. Plus Dickson's been quality since he came into the side..miles better than harding who's been consistently average this season beg to differ for a defender he is light weight and powder puff, he started as a left midfielder and thats where he should play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 13 December, 2010 Share Posted 13 December, 2010 No but seriously though who does he think he is Adkins, last week in his pre-match he was wittering on about Fonte, it was the usual yes well he's suspended and he'll have to work really hard in training if he wants to be considered for selection for the next match stuff. If I was Fonte I'd tell him where he could shove his "working hard in training" seeing all the good that 10 days of "good training" did us last week. Bloke is just a buffoon in his interviews. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 13 December, 2010 Author Share Posted 13 December, 2010 Gordon Strachan was brilliant with his after match comments - these were the ones he made just after we lost to Arsenal away in one of his last matches. He was asked if his criticism of a linesman would get him into trouble - this is how he replied “Have I said anything out of turn? If you call Tony Blair a liar about weapons of mass destruction then it’s quite easy for me to say that I have history with a linesman”. He then went on to complain how hard it was to gain access to match officials after the game. “You can’t get near to officials, it’s easier to get to the Pope! If I’m in London next time and I get mugged, I hope the same amount of people turn up – there were 6 police officers, four stewards, and a United Nations peace observer”. Now that is class - pure class. None of this "in the building" nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 13 December, 2010 Share Posted 13 December, 2010 No but seriously though who does he think he is Adkins, last week in his pre-match he was wittering on about Fonte, it was the usual yes well he's suspended and he'll have to work really hard in training if he wants to be considered for selection for the next match stuff. If I was Fonte I'd tell him where he could shove his "working hard in training" seeing all the good that 10 days of "good training" did us last week. Bloke is just a buffoon in his interviews. I doubt Fontes got anything to worry about. No manager in his right mind would leave a fit Fonte out of our defence after saturdays shambles . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 13 December, 2010 Share Posted 13 December, 2010 Gordon Strachan was brilliant with his after match comments - these were the ones he made just after we lost to Arsenal away in one of his last matches. He was asked if his criticism of a linesman would get him into trouble - this is how he replied “Have I said anything out of turn? If you call Tony Blair a liar about weapons of mass destruction then it’s quite easy for me to say that I have history with a linesman”. He then went on to complain how hard it was to gain access to match officials after the game. “You can’t get near to officials, it’s easier to get to the Pope! If I’m in London next time and I get mugged, I hope the same amount of people turn up – there were 6 police officers, four stewards, and a United Nations peace observer”. Now that is class - pure class. None of this "in the building" nonsense. yeah...talking about yoghurts was really meaningful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsland Red Posted 13 December, 2010 Share Posted 13 December, 2010 (edited) I see the "In the Building " phrase as the same as " As I said before" that all professionals are schooled in at the FA School of Nonsense, or its predecessor "At this level" or "This is what its all about". Some managers prefer "Triffic" or other mindless comments. Ian Holloway or WGS are a rare breed that have the ability to communicate with their fellow human beings as well as coach the art of pig bladder movement around a newly cut field of grass. Edited 13 December, 2010 by Kingsland Red Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 13 December, 2010 Share Posted 13 December, 2010 "there was enough to get something from the game" in a sense..he was right..they had two goals utterly gifted to them..cant really remember kelvin having a save to make after that.. where as, we hit the woodwork twice...had an utterly blatent penalty tured down and their keeper made two cracking saves and OxO missed a great chance.. still, we did play appallingly and still created a few chances.. ffs DD, will you still be so suppotive of NA if we don't make the play offs this season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 13 December, 2010 Share Posted 13 December, 2010 DD, will you still be so suppotive of NA if we don't make the play offs this season? no...until that does not happen...why not see what he can do...he has previous in getting out of this league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfc4prem Posted 13 December, 2010 Share Posted 13 December, 2010 Gordon Strachan was brilliant with his after match comments - these were the ones he made just after we lost to Arsenal away in one of his last matches. He was asked if his criticism of a linesman would get him into trouble - this is how he replied “Have I said anything out of turn? If you call Tony Blair a liar about weapons of mass destruction then it’s quite easy for me to say that I have history with a linesman”. He then went on to complain how hard it was to gain access to match officials after the game. “You can’t get near to officials, it’s easier to get to the Pope! If I’m in London next time and I get mugged, I hope the same amount of people turn up – there were 6 police officers, four stewards, and a United Nations peace observer”. Now that is class - pure class. None of this "in the building" nonsense. Do you really care that much about interviews??? As long as Adkins gets the players motivated I couldn't care a less about his post match interviews. It's always odd that when we lose Adkins is slated for his post match interviews, yet when we win no one cares. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsk Posted 13 December, 2010 Share Posted 13 December, 2010 Each to his own but I don't rate him at personally...Adkins that is, I think he's out of his depth already. Good results when it's easy but hasn't got a clue about players. To me dropping the consistent Harding for the airy fairy Dickson is just incomprehensible. Just out of curiosity... how many of Adkins' games in charge of Saints have you been to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latter day saint Posted 13 December, 2010 Share Posted 13 December, 2010 oh look, something else to moan about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 13 December, 2010 Author Share Posted 13 December, 2010 Do you really care that much about interviews??? As long as Adkins gets the players motivated I couldn't care a less about his post match interviews. It's always odd that when we lose Adkins is slated for his post match interviews, yet when we win no one cares. Well as I am keeping "In That Number" up to date I always look to get a comment from one manager as it helps describe the game. It was interesting that Scott the Brentford manager regarded the away win as the "easiest" this season. So the answer to your question is Yes. I have found so far NA has not made one quote that is meaningful. Might as well not bother asking him. Let's hope he communicates better with the players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Posted 13 December, 2010 Share Posted 13 December, 2010 Sorry. I'm a big fan of yours FF, through the printed word and your points on this forum but this post has me confused. Are you looking for more eloquent sound bites or someone doing their damnedest to get a job done. I see the latter or am i just falling for the spin? Not a loaded question, but looking for insight to your thinking or perhaps some wisdom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Posted 13 December, 2010 Share Posted 13 December, 2010 sorry, just read your reply. Your obviously enamored with Mr. Adkins. Curious to know if this is a view prejudicial to ghosts of Christmas past or a unbiased appraisal of our current plight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 13 December, 2010 Share Posted 13 December, 2010 Sorry. I'm a big fan of yours FF, through the printed word and your points on this forum but this post has me confused. Are you looking for more eloquent sound bites or someone doing their damnedest to get a job done. I see the latter or am i just falling for the spin? Not a loaded question, but looking for insight to your thinking or perhaps some wisdom. Perhaps the lack of insight displayed by the manager means that FF is worried that this could translate to a lack of tactical knowledge or lack of expressing himself clearly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenwilkins Posted 13 December, 2010 Share Posted 13 December, 2010 So when can we expect the new revised ITN Duncan? Do we need to start saving yet? Supplementary question: Will we every see the prequel to cover the pre war years? Straight answers please - none of your authorial / publisher gobbledygook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 13 December, 2010 Author Share Posted 13 December, 2010 Sorry. I'm a big fan of yours FF, through the printed word and your points on this forum but this post has me confused. Are you looking for more eloquent sound bites or someone doing their damnedest to get a job done. I see the latter or am i just falling for the spin? Not a loaded question, but looking for insight to your thinking or perhaps some wisdom. Gator you wont get too much wisdom from me but to try and answer. Eloquence? No not really - that you rarely get in football but it would be nice to get something that just makes a little sense. His comment re the game in my OP was nonsensical. Also the bit about Barnard was just bizarre. If he didn't want to tell anyone the state of Barnard's fitness just say I'd rather not say. We would all understand. (Do us fans have the right to be kept up-to-date with the players' injuries?) However I do concede if he had us playing decent football and we were consolidating a top 2 position I would cut him a lot more slack in my own mind and if it guaranteed promotion he could talk Swahili for the rest of the season. His intellect was something that was made a lot of at the time of his appointment and indeed he may well have plenty up top but it doesn't seem to be used in his post match analysis. My criticism is probably not fair and I hear from those that have met him that he's a really nice genuine guy. Trouble is nice guys don't usually make good managers. Time will tell but in football there is increasingly less and less time. Maybe I built my hopes up too much when he arrived because his CV looked good but after 3 or so months I am just a little bit underwhelmed. 3 months is a pitifully small amount of time when considering how long the managers of the past got but is about the length of time modern day chairmen expect to see some improvement. Maybe we should wait until the season's end but that would not suit NC's schedule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 13 December, 2010 Author Share Posted 13 December, 2010 So when can we expect the new revised ITN Duncan? Do we need to start saving yet? Supplementary question: Will we every see the prequel to cover the pre war years? Straight answers please - none of your authorial / publisher gobbledygook. Len - the club weren't too keen on a pre war ITN - on account of what they reckon would be little interest, so that idea is suspended for now. We are currently working on a massive who's who from 1885 - to date, hopefully published this time next year, if my editor David Bull can get his finger out. After that to use some of our pre-war stuff maybe a complete history of Saints in the FA Cup and maybe a coffee table type photographic book. We have plenty of other ideas ie Saints at War etc etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 13 December, 2010 Share Posted 13 December, 2010 Len - the club weren't too keen on a pre war ITN - on account of what they reckon would be little interest, so that idea is suspended for now. We are currently working on a massive who's who from 1885 - to date, hopefully published this time next year, if my editor David Bull can get his finger out. After that to use some of our pre-war stuff maybe a complete history of Saints in the FA Cup and maybe a coffee table type photographic book. We have plenty of other ideas ie Saints at War etc etc. Bit too soon for a book about the Lowe/ Wilde / Crouch years imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 13 December, 2010 Share Posted 13 December, 2010 (edited) Bit too soon for a book about the Lowe/ Wilde / Crouch years imo. Saints ar War etc etc.. from FF. Your response was brilliant.....made me laugh.. sorry..I giggled. Edited 13 December, 2010 by ottery st mary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry the Badger Posted 13 December, 2010 Share Posted 13 December, 2010 It was interesting that Scott the Brentford manager regarded the away win as the "easiest" this season. So the answer to your question is Yes. Do you know anything about management? His team have just won at St. Mary's. What is more likely to keep the feelgood factor going? Is it a) We were lucky to win, their keeper made a howler and we got away with a few.... Or b) that was easy. My point is, you're putting far too much stock in what a manager is saying, when surely anybody who was there can see that although we were poor, it was by no means an easy win for Brentford and they were still fairly fortunate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenwilkins Posted 13 December, 2010 Share Posted 13 December, 2010 Thanks for that Duncan. It's good to know that there are more Hagiology imprints on the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 13 December, 2010 Share Posted 13 December, 2010 Do you know anything about management? His team have just won at St. Mary's. What is more likely to keep the feelgood factor going? Is it a) We were lucky to win, their keeper made a howler and we got away with a few.... Or b) that was easy. My point is, you're putting far too much stock in what a manager is saying, when surely anybody who was there can see that although we were poor, it was by no means an easy win for Brentford and they were still fairly fortunate. What game were you watching? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 13 December, 2010 Share Posted 13 December, 2010 most post match interviews from opposing mgrs recently has had them saying we are best team in league and will go up. Not that fussed either way, points count! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry the Badger Posted 13 December, 2010 Share Posted 13 December, 2010 What game were you watching? We were poor, as poor as we've been for some time, BUT.... Their keeper pulled off at least 2 excellent saves, we hit the woodwork etc etc. We had more possesion, more shots, more corners. They capitalised on two defensive errors but overall it was definitely not an easy win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 14 December, 2010 Share Posted 14 December, 2010 In tonights Echo Brentford manager Andy Scott said "of our last 5 away wins that was probably the most comfortable - we could have scored a couple more. It was excellent team work, we created good chances. To come here and win is a fantastic achievement but we thoroughly deserved it". Andy Scott absolutely smashed it with those post match comments. Maybe we should get him as our manager...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy Nutkins Posted 14 December, 2010 Share Posted 14 December, 2010 "of our last 5 away wins that was probably the most comfortable" That statement would be on the wall of the dressing room wall every week, until the players had rammed it down my throat, by producing acceptable performances, if i was the man in charge.It was meant as a **** take and should be taken as such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 14 December, 2010 Share Posted 14 December, 2010 no...until that does not happen...why not see what he can do...he has previous in getting out of this league He does have previous in getting out of this league,promotion and iirc relegation,i might be wrong however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 14 December, 2010 Author Share Posted 14 December, 2010 most post match interviews from opposing mgrs recently has had them saying we are best team in league and will go up. Not that fussed either way, points count! And for me they are very worth using and I do! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgeweahscousin Posted 14 December, 2010 Share Posted 14 December, 2010 To me dropping the consistent Harding for the airy fairy Dickson is just incomprehensible. Really? Harding was brilliant last season, and I rate him highly, but he had been on awful form leading up to a completely justified dropping in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 14 December, 2010 Author Share Posted 14 December, 2010 Bit too soon for a book about the Lowe/ Wilde / Crouch years imo. Yep brought a smile to my face too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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