Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 28 January, 2011 Share Posted 28 January, 2011 Just a little precis of our situation: - We are owned by rich owners. - The Club is not rich, but is on a solid financial footing. - The Club is being run as a business that breaks even. Due to our attendances, merchadising and prices this allows us to buy more expensive players. - Money is there for a marquee signing, however, it is not prudent to pay above the market rate for these players. Hope this helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 28 January, 2011 Share Posted 28 January, 2011 I'd also like to use this thread to ask why people have decided Cortese is untrustworthy, and don't believe him when he says the club is not for sale and the backing is still there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 28 January, 2011 Share Posted 28 January, 2011 I'd also like to use this thread to ask why people have decided Cortese is untrustworthy, and don't believe him when he says the club is not for sale and the backing is still there? Didn't you hear? A faceless, nameless nobody was saying that we will have no backing and the club is up for sale. It's only natural to believe this rather than listen to what is officially coming out from the club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 28 January, 2011 Share Posted 28 January, 2011 Dibden Purlieu Saint must be SFC's financial director - because he knows everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 28 January, 2011 Share Posted 28 January, 2011 Dibden Purlieu Saint must be SFC's financial director - because he knows everything. Cortese is our CEO, and he said much the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie66 Posted 28 January, 2011 Share Posted 28 January, 2011 Just a little precis of our situation: - We are owned by rich owners. - The Club is not rich, but is on a solid financial footing. - The Club is being run as a business that breaks even. Due to our attendances, merchadising and prices this allows us to buy more expensive players. - Money is there for a marquee signing, however, it is not prudent to pay above the market rate for these players. Hope this helps. Are these facts or assumptions? Rather than sound arrogant we might accept that this is just your OPINION and nothing more or less. Correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 28 January, 2011 Share Posted 28 January, 2011 Cortese is our CEO, and he said much the same. I've never heard him say how much profit/loss the club makes. Anyway, he's not going to go around broadcasting how much money the club plan to spend, he's not a complete idiot. no one on here knows wether it is being run at a loss or profit, no one knows what his future plans are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 28 January, 2011 Author Share Posted 28 January, 2011 Cortese is our CEO, and he said much the same. Coincidence don't you feel. Have you ever seen me and Cortese in the same room? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 28 January, 2011 Author Share Posted 28 January, 2011 Are these facts or assumptions? Rather than sound arrogant we might accept that this is just your OPINION and nothing more or less. Correct? No arrogance at all in that, just stating the facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorkiesaint Posted 28 January, 2011 Share Posted 28 January, 2011 I'd also like to use this thread to ask why people have decided Cortese is untrustworthy, and don't believe him when he says the club is not for sale and the backing is still there? From my personal point of view, I would say that from where I sit I can't judge whether Cortese is trustworthy or untrustworthy, and I would like to know how anyone on this forum could realistically make this judgement. 'The club is not for sale' could be very carefully chosen words, and does not preclude that Cortese is looking for other significant backers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthamSteve Posted 28 January, 2011 Share Posted 28 January, 2011 Coincidence don't you feel. Have you ever seen me and Cortese in the same room? No it is fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ringwood Posted 28 January, 2011 Share Posted 28 January, 2011 only one fact in is and thats we are owned by rich owners, the rest is opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 28 January, 2011 Share Posted 28 January, 2011 . - The Club...breaks even. - Money is there for a marquee signing these are not facts, they are merely educated guesses. The latter may be poved a fact in the near future. I wonder if, how and when we will discover the validity of the earlier point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 28 January, 2011 Share Posted 28 January, 2011 Are you richer if you've just splashed a lot of cash on new players or richer if you haven't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 28 January, 2011 Share Posted 28 January, 2011 It was clearly stated when ML and NC took over, that the club would be run as a business, using the funds generated by the club. How and why people seem to think otherwise is beyond me, there is a train crash happening just down the road, yet many on here, want us on the same track as our fishy fiends. I for one, believe the way we are proceeding is the proper way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie66 Posted 28 January, 2011 Share Posted 28 January, 2011 No arrogance at all in that, just stating the facts. If you really believe these are facts then god knows what your definition of an opinon is. Unless you are Cortese you have presented your opinions based on no more than assumptions. Do you have access to the P&L? Do you initiate transfers? Do you know the current cash flow? Do you know who are the current owners and beneficiary owners of the club? Give me those FACTS and you opinion might have some credibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iansums Posted 28 January, 2011 Share Posted 28 January, 2011 No arrogance at all in that, just stating the facts. No, you are stating an opinion, not facts and therefore it does come across as arrogant. I happen to share your 'opinion' but it is just that an opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iansums Posted 28 January, 2011 Share Posted 28 January, 2011 I've just farted. This is a fact. It smells nice. This is an opinion. My daughter had to some homework on what was fact and opinion. As you can see I was able to help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-scooby Posted 28 January, 2011 Share Posted 28 January, 2011 Why do people put carrots in cakes ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 28 January, 2011 Share Posted 28 January, 2011 It was clearly stated when ML and NC took over, that the club would be run as a business, using the funds generated by the club. How and why people seem to think otherwise is beyond me, there is a train crash happening just down the road, yet many on here, want us on the same track as our fishy fiends. I for one, believe the way we are proceeding is the proper way. I think we could all learn from that train wreck down the road. no1: Not everything football club owners say is 100% true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 28 January, 2011 Share Posted 28 January, 2011 Saying all football owners are the same is is like saying all football fans are the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shroppie Posted 28 January, 2011 Share Posted 28 January, 2011 And whilst we're getting a few things sorted.... We have a talented group of players and a good manager who are the envy of most other teams in League 1 Occasionally a player makes a mistake or two, or has an off game. This does not instantly make him a useless player worthy of abuse and unbridled criticism. Sometimes the manager's decisions don't work. Unless he makes bad decisions all the time, which he doesn't, he doesn't instantly deserve the sack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 28 January, 2011 Share Posted 28 January, 2011 And? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 28 January, 2011 Share Posted 28 January, 2011 A few facts on a Friday....way to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 28 January, 2011 Share Posted 28 January, 2011 Saying all football owners are the same is is like saying all football fans are the same. I don't think anyone said that they were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Bob Posted 28 January, 2011 Share Posted 28 January, 2011 Why do people put carrots in cakes ? Because it's better than shoving them up their own arse?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 28 January, 2011 Share Posted 28 January, 2011 Are these facts or assumptions? Rather than sound arrogant we might accept that this is just your OPINION and nothing more or less. Correct? The first item is a fact. The rest can be seen as deductions based on all available evidence. I have seen nothing but the rantings of some no name on an unreliable message board to suggest otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 28 January, 2011 Share Posted 28 January, 2011 Are these facts or assumptions? Rather than sound arrogant we might accept that this is just your OPINION and nothing more or less. Correct? Indeed; unless DPS is on the inside (in which case he should reveal his credentials), I find this thread somewhat pompous.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangelyBrown Posted 28 January, 2011 Share Posted 28 January, 2011 It is a fact that shoving carrots up your own arse is indeed better than putting them in cakes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shroppie Posted 28 January, 2011 Share Posted 28 January, 2011 (edited) It is a fact that shoving carrots up your own arse is indeed better than putting them in cakes Personally, I wouldn't know. So I'll have to bow to your obvious experience in these matters. StrangelyBrown eh? Edited 28 January, 2011 by Shroppie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windmill Arm 2 Posted 28 January, 2011 Share Posted 28 January, 2011 Just a little precis of our situation: - We are owned by rich owners. - The Club is not rich, but is on a solid financial footing. - The Club is being run as a business that breaks even. Due to our attendances, merchadising and prices this allows us to buy more expensive players. - Money is there for a marquee signing, however, it is not prudent to pay above the market rate for these players. Hope this helps.What an arrogant post !!! Whats your name? Nicola Cortese? Another forum know it all. zzzzzzz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekelund Posted 28 January, 2011 Share Posted 28 January, 2011 Just a little precis of our situation: - We are owned by rich owners. - The Club is not rich, but is on a solid financial footing. - The Club is being run as a business that breaks even. Due to our attendances, merchadising and prices this allows us to buy more expensive players. - Money is there for a marquee signing, however, it is not prudent to pay above the market rate for these players. Hope this helps. people write what they want. But hey, I looked at the post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 28 January, 2011 Share Posted 28 January, 2011 Why do people put carrots in cakes ? +1. now we're getting somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangelyBrown Posted 28 January, 2011 Share Posted 28 January, 2011 Personally, I wouldn't know. So I'll have to bow to your obvious experience in these matters. StrangelyBrown eh? lol You should see my parsnips Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Bob Posted 28 January, 2011 Share Posted 28 January, 2011 lol You should see my parsnips Thanks the lords you didn't promise to show us your portable Allium cepa container Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shroppie Posted 28 January, 2011 Share Posted 28 January, 2011 lol You should see my parsnips Are they brown too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Born In The 80s Posted 28 January, 2011 Share Posted 28 January, 2011 What an arrogant post !!! Whats your name? Nicola Cortese? Another forum know it all. zzzzzzz I liked the way he signed off with 'hope this helps'. What an absolute pleb! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joensuu Posted 28 January, 2011 Share Posted 28 January, 2011 Just a little precis of our situation: - We are owned by rich owners. - The Club is not rich, but is on a solid financial footing. - The Club is being run as a business that breaks even. Due to our attendances, merchadising and prices this allows us to buy more expensive players. - Money is there for a marquee signing, however, it is not prudent to pay above the market rate for these players. Hope this helps. DP, I'm sure you will recieve flack for this post, but it sums up my view of the situation entirely. - We are definately owned by rich owners. - The club is definately on a strong financial footing (although as others have pointed out we might well be richer than we realise - but I feel it correct to err on the side of caution). - Are CEO has stated that the club is aiming to break even. Obviously this isn't a fact, but I see no reason to doubt what has been said. - Our income is far in excess of the other clubs in the league (attendence, lack of debt etc). - While we can't be certain that the money is avaliable for a 'marquee' signing, it would be rather strange not to believe that it is. Not only have we been told that we have made 'substantial' bids, we have also seen evidence that we are in the running (c.f. Austin). Finally, unless money is secretly being leached from the club, our known income streams will have generated enough revenue to fund a large purchase in this window, if we decide to. I don't understand how anyone can accuse you of making it up, that is unless they have their own agendas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 28 January, 2011 Share Posted 28 January, 2011 Just a little precis of our situation: - We are owned by rich owners. - The Club is not rich, but is on a solid financial footing. - The Club is being run as a business that breaks even. Due to our attendances, merchadising and prices this allows us to buy more expensive players. - Money is there for a marquee signing, however, it is not prudent to pay above the market rate for these players. Hope this helps. Heres a little precis of our situation; - We are not quite sure who actually owns us, but we are currently under the wing of the "Estate of Markus Liebherr" - We have no idea if the club is rich, if funds were already in place prior to Markus's illness or whether funds were deposited during Markus's illness or if access to funds has been made available by the estate. - We hope that the club is on a solid financial footing and everything suggests that it is, however we do not know the model in which capital has been injected into the club and regardless of whether Markus ever intended to recover any investment or not, the most common, prudent and tax effcient way of doing this is through Directors loans, so it is now ultimately down to the new owners as to how they mange or realise these. - We have no idea whether we are breaking even, running at a profit, or continuing to run at a loss. Attendances have been on the whole, "good" and a number of squad players were released in the summer that would have brought the wage bill down, but without access to the accounts, it is impossible to say. - There is obviousy funds available to draw on, but how much is unknown, as is the structure of any deal for Marquee signings that we might bid for. The quotes and noises coming out of the club are positive, the squad is strong and theres an excellent chance of promotion. However the future (As it has been since Markus's death) remains uncertain and the best thing the fans can do, is enjoy, for what many will be their first genuine automatic promotion chase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 28 January, 2011 Share Posted 28 January, 2011 I need some clarification. Do we have to read this entire thread before starting all new threads, or do we only have to read it once and then we are free to start as many new threads as we like? If the latter, I suppose we can always come back to this thread (presumably it will be a sticky) if we ever forget what it says. Also, how is this going to be policed? When a new thread is started, will we get prompted to confirm that we have read this thread first - like a "Terms and Conditions of starting new threads" thing? If you don't have something like that, then you could get a situation where people start new threads without having read this one first - and that wouldn't be fair on ST holders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 28 January, 2011 Share Posted 28 January, 2011 DP, I'm sure you will recieve flack for this post, but it sums up my view of the situation entirely. - We are definately owned by rich owners. - The club is definately on a strong financial footing (although as others have pointed out we might well be richer than we realise - but I feel it correct to err on the side of caution). - Are CEO has stated that the club is aiming to break even. Obviously this isn't a fact, but I see no reason to doubt what has been said. - Our income is far in excess of the other clubs in the league (attendence, lack of debt etc). - While we can't be certain that the money is avaliable for a 'marquee' signing, it would be rather strange not to believe that it is. Not only have we been told that we have made 'substantial' bids, we have also seen evidence that we are in the running (c.f. Austin). Finally, unless money is secretly being leached from the club, our known income streams will have generated enough revenue to fund a large purchase in this window, if we decide to. I don't understand how anyone can accuse you of making it up, that is unless they have their own agendas. Oh FFS if you want to be taken seriously learn to spell. DEFINITELY LEAKED RECEIVE. Spelling definitely as definately should be infractable, there is no earthly reason for getting it wrong. Sorry rant over but there's far too much of it at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughieslastminutegoal Posted 28 January, 2011 Share Posted 28 January, 2011 Just a little precis of our situation: - We are owned by rich owners. - The Club is not rich, but is on a solid financial footing. - The Club is being run as a business that breaks even. Due to our attendances, merchadising and prices this allows us to buy more expensive players. - Money is there for a marquee signing, however, it is not prudent to pay above the market rate for these players. Hope this helps. Do we really have to read this before posting on any thread in the future? Can I read it just the once? Please, Mr. Head Teacher? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 28 January, 2011 Share Posted 28 January, 2011 Oh FFS if you want to be taken seriously learn to spell. DEFINITELY LEAKED RECEIVE. Spelling definitely as definately should be infractable, there is no earthly reason for getting it wrong. Sorry rant over but there's far too much of it at the moment.At least he didn't say "loose" or "loosing" instead of "lose" or "losing"! That is certainly worth an infraction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 28 January, 2011 Share Posted 28 January, 2011 Do we really have to read this before posting on any thread in the future? Can I read it just the once? Please, Mr. Head Teacher?Oi http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?27869-Please-can-everyone-read-this-before-posting-on-any-threads-in-future.&p=949713#post949713 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 28 January, 2011 Share Posted 28 January, 2011 At least he didn't say "loose" or "loosing" instead of "lose" or "losing"! That is certainly worth an infraction. True but definitely is spelt wrongly 80-100 times every day. it's a simple word, they would not write definate and yet they use definately with ease. For every definitely we get 10 definatelys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 28 January, 2011 Share Posted 28 January, 2011 True but definitely is spelt wrongly 80-100 times every day. it's a simple word, they would not write definate and yet they use definately with ease. For every definitely we get 10 definatelys.Absolitely! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted 28 January, 2011 Share Posted 28 January, 2011 Sorry rant over but there's far too much of it at the moment. Pardon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 28 January, 2011 Share Posted 28 January, 2011 Just a little precis of our situation: (in my opinion) - We are owned by rich owners. - The Club is not rich, but is on a solid financial footing. - The Club is being run as a business that breaks even. Due to our attendances, merchadising and prices this allows us to buy more expensive players. - Money is there for a marquee signing, however, it is not prudent to pay above the market rate for these players. Hope this helps. see the bold bit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 28 January, 2011 Share Posted 28 January, 2011 they would not write definate I bet they would....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joensuu Posted 28 January, 2011 Share Posted 28 January, 2011 Oh FFS if you want to be taken seriously learn to spell. DEFINITELY LEAKED RECEIVE. Spelling definitely as definately should be infractable, there is no earthly reason for getting it wrong. Sorry rant over but there's far too much of it at the moment. It's a Friday, I typed that from a phone without a spell checker, and with a nasty cpu lag which makes reviewing and editing my post rather time consuming, anyhow isn't there some form of anti-pendant rules on this interweb thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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