Fergie Posted 13 June, 2011 Share Posted 13 June, 2011 http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/13746920.stm The league i feel is getting even tougher now...worried of our chances of a top 6...managers like Allardyce, Sven and now McLaren...much more pulling power over top players than NA may have! What do we think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 13 June, 2011 Share Posted 13 June, 2011 http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/13746920.stm The league i feel is getting even tougher now...worried of our chances of a top 6...managers like Allardyce, Sven and now McLaren...much more pulling power over top players than NA may have! What do we think? Pulling power?? Possibly, but how much money do these clubs have to spend? I think that West Ham may struggle financially even with their parachute payments. I think that as a well run club with top training facilities etc, we are becoming a more attractive propositition for players as time goes by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 13 June, 2011 Share Posted 13 June, 2011 Given time Nigel Adkins will be viewed with much more respect than the managers mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 13 June, 2011 Share Posted 13 June, 2011 top 6 would be a huge ask regardless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fergie Posted 13 June, 2011 Author Share Posted 13 June, 2011 top 6 would be a huge ask regardless I think with 3-4 'quality' players, as Adkins has said he is hoping to sign, would make the top 6 a possibility for sure. We'll be there or there abouts come the end of the season i feel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 13 June, 2011 Share Posted 13 June, 2011 Birmingham target Steve Cotterill......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctoroncall Posted 13 June, 2011 Share Posted 13 June, 2011 I would have expected Notts Forest to be challenging top 6 this season, if anything there is a little doubt as to how McLaren will fair as there will not be a sizable budget for him to work with. He spent a fortune at Middleborough to help them succeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 13 June, 2011 Share Posted 13 June, 2011 I think with 3-4 'quality' players, as Adkins has said he is hoping to sign, would make the top 6 a possibility for sure. We'll be there or there abouts come the end of the season i feel. IMO its going to be hard no matter what....we all know that week in week out, you have to be very consistant or more than likely you will drop points.. the likes of.. brum west ham boro leicester reading forest burnley leeds hull ipswich saints possibly brighton blackpool cardiff will all be fighting it out in the top half of the table....no rest for the wicked in this league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 13 June, 2011 Share Posted 13 June, 2011 could sack NA and get Billy D before someone else snaps him up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 13 June, 2011 Share Posted 13 June, 2011 The OP stated that he feels the league is "getting tougher". I think the current managerial merry-go-round is actually just waking people up to the challenge we're going to face. Our time of being the big fish in a little pond is now over; we're placed in a league with an awful lot of clubs of a similar size. Since our relegation from the Premier League a number of our current rivals have played in the top division, and benefitted from the increased revenues on offer. A number of those clubs have, like us, moved to new, larger stadiums thus increasing their revenue-making potential. The result is that we have a Championship division which is arguably stronger than at any other time in its history, as there are so many more clubs with large grounds, decent attendances, and financial backing. Anyone who thinks this season is going to be easy is, IMO, a bit deluded. Yes, we have some decent backing, a tightly-knit squad and some great facilities; but so do many of our rivals. I consider we're at least 4 or 5 players away from a squad that will complete for the title, perhaps a few more than that for a 46-game season. Adkins has done well to get us where we are, but this season will be a big step up from taking 3 points against the likes of Dagenham & Redbridge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 13 June, 2011 Share Posted 13 June, 2011 I would have expected Notts Forest to be challenging top 6 this season, if anything there is a little doubt as to how McLaren will fair as there will not be a sizable budget for him to work with. He spent a fortune at Middleborough to help them succeed. No, he spent a fortune to help them become mediocre, albeit with one glorious run in Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 13 June, 2011 Share Posted 13 June, 2011 http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/13746920.stm ...managers like Allardyce, Sven and now McLaren...much more pulling power over top players than NA may have! What do we think? Definitely amongst the biggest 'pullers' in the division. Given time Nigel Adkins will be viewed with much more respect than the managers mentioned. Yes if he fulfills his potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 13 June, 2011 Share Posted 13 June, 2011 The OP stated that he feels the league is "getting tougher". I think the current managerial merry-go-round is actually just waking people up to the challenge we're going to face. Our time of being the big fish in a little pond is now over; we're placed in a league with an awful lot of clubs of a similar size. Since our relegation from the Premier League a number of our current rivals have played in the top division, and benefitted from the increased revenues on offer. A number of those clubs have, like us, moved to new, larger stadiums thus increasing their revenue-making potential. The result is that we have a Championship division which is arguably stronger than at any other time in its history, as there are so many more clubs with large grounds, decent attendances, and financial backing. Anyone who thinks this season is going to be easy is, IMO, a bit deluded. Yes, we have some decent backing, a tightly-knit squad and some great facilities; but so do many of our rivals. I consider we're at least 4 or 5 players away from a squad that will complete for the title, perhaps a few more than that for a 46-game season. Adkins has done well to get us where we are, but this season will be a big step up from taking 3 points against the likes of Dagenham & Redbridge. Agree entirely. The ex-prem managers being mentioned will have the same top two or top six ambitions as anyone else but with less excuse for failure, so motivations may be greater. Allardyce has already shown the level of his intentions with an unsuccesful attempt to get Kevin Nolan from Newcastle. Many of these teams already have former Prem players on board and although these big name managers won't disregard an outstanding player from L1 their main focus will be on proven quality at a higher level. Adkins and Cortese have been saying all the right things but it will be easier to judge SFC's true intentions once signings are announced, or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 13 June, 2011 Share Posted 13 June, 2011 could sack NA and get Billy D before someone else snaps him up? Yes, that's what we'll do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 13 June, 2011 Share Posted 13 June, 2011 (edited) http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/13746920.stm The league i feel is getting even tougher now...worried of our chances of a top 6...managers like Allardyce, Sven and now McLaren...much more pulling power over top players than NA may have! What do we think? I'm not sure what " we " think ...? but I never really rated him at all. Admitedly, he was never going to do big things at 'Boro, but he did keep them up in the Prem. for a while. He seemed obsessed with his left winger (Downing) who he talked into the England squad whilst he was assistant to Sven-Göran Eriksson, and why on earth he got that job I'll never know. Did the FA want a " minder for Svennis," or did they think he couldn't speak English.? To my mind Eriksson spoke better English than one of two of the Cockney *wats who came before him ! After the media got Svennis sacked, McLaren took over the team and turned in one of the most disasterous record of any England manager to date. He was some sort of success with FC Twente in Holland, but with the state of Dutch football at present - that wasn't SO hard. He then moved onto Germany .....and failed miserably there. So do I rate him ....NOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Edited 13 June, 2011 by david in sweden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 13 June, 2011 Share Posted 13 June, 2011 I'm not sure what " we " think ...? but I never really rated him at all. Admitedly, he was never going to do big things at 'Boro, but he did keep them up in the Prem. for a while. He seemed obsessed with his left winger (Downing) who he talked into the England squad whilst he was assistant to Sven-Göran Eriksson, and why on earth he got that job I'll never know. Did the FA want a " minder for Svennis," or did they think he couldn't speak English.? To my mind Eriksson spoke better English than one of two of the Cockney *wats who came before him ! After the media got Svennis sacked, McLaren took over the team and turned in one of the most disasterous record of any England manager to date. He was some sort of success with FC Twente in Holland, but with the state of Dutch football at present - that wasn't SO hard. He then moved onto Germany .....and failed miserably there. So do I rate him ....NOOOOOOOOOOOOO! to be fair..what he did with twente was remarkable...they absolutely love him...and wolfsberg, he had no say in player transfers at all...and they did even worse when he left..nearly (if not) got relegated...a completely whacky club from top to bottom good appointment for forest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 13 June, 2011 Share Posted 13 June, 2011 Forest aim to cut their wage bill this summer with reduced terms offered to the likes of Ernie. Whether funds will be there for expensive loans like Boyd and Konchesky is less clear. I would have thought they would still be strong next season. Kelvin Wilson has finally left (after faking an injury so as not to have his move to Celtic ruined by an injury), but they didn't really miss him last season anyway. Adebola will be let go and Garner allowed to leave - freeing up more wages. They will do well to hold on to Camp, Moussi and McGugan though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 13 June, 2011 Share Posted 13 June, 2011 could sack NA and get Billy D before someone else snaps him up? sounds a plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opthomps Posted 13 June, 2011 Share Posted 13 June, 2011 Anyone who could even contemplate this guy in charge can not be someone who followed England at the time, nor any respecting club. Totally dire. He did well at Derby as assistant despite alleged inapropriacies. He did ok at Middlesbrough. Aside from that I dont care what anyone says. I can not forgive him for England woes ruined a perfectly winnable tournament. Seeing as I will be living in England for the first time in 3 yrs and in nottingham. I will be there at forest opposite a block, giving him what for. as i will be in Derby as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 13 June, 2011 Share Posted 13 June, 2011 Anyone who could even contemplate this guy in charge can not be someone who followed England at the time, nor any respecting club. Totally dire. He did well at Derby as assistant despite alleged inapropriacies. He did ok at Middlesbrough. Aside from that I dont care what anyone says. I can not forgive him for England woes ruined a perfectly winnable tournament. Seeing as I will be living in England for the first time in 3 yrs and in nottingham. I will be there at forest opposite a block, giving him what for. as i will be in Derby as well. really..? first trophy and euro final..? that is OK is it..???? the england job is a head messer for anyone...like at capellos stock and he is easily of the best club managers in the world... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opthomps Posted 13 June, 2011 Share Posted 13 June, 2011 really..? first trophy and euro final..? that is OK is it..???? the england job is a head messer for anyone...like at capellos stock and he is easily of the best club managers in the world... in my opinion yes, but thanks for making me repeat myself. I personally don't think it would have taken a great manager for us to have qualified for that tournament in 2008. Whatever you think of his skills, I personally think he is flawed. As for Boro. That was a time when things were a lot easier and even with the money he had i think he was dog poo. I just don't like the guy at all, and even with your infinite wisdom i stick by that me owld mucca.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 13 June, 2011 Share Posted 13 June, 2011 really..? first trophy and euro final..? that is OK is it..???? the england job is a head messer for anyone...like at capellos stock and he is easily of the best club managers in the world... Trophy and relegated in same season wasnt it? With Ravenelli and Juninho etc?...personally think he is an average manager. Not too fussed about him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opthomps Posted 13 June, 2011 Share Posted 13 June, 2011 Trophy and relegated in same season wasnt it? With Ravenelli and Juninho etc?...personally think he is an average manager. Not too fussed about him. was probably robson in charge then. another shyt manager Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 13 June, 2011 Share Posted 13 June, 2011 ah...yeah remember now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 13 June, 2011 Share Posted 13 June, 2011 I wouldn't classify McClaren as a sh!t manager, but neither is he a good one. Average is the best description for him. Wikipedia has what I think is a pretty good summary of him. Many Boro fans were indifferent about his departure believing Steve Gibson, the club chairman, to be more important to their success. McClaren was accused by rival managers as having a "pot of gold" provided by Gibson to buy players, giving him an advantage over other teams when signing players. Despite this, towards the latter end of his tenure McClaren was criticised by supporters of using negative tactics and earning Middlesbrough the tag of a "dull" side. Some observers attributed Middlesbrough's success to the senior, experienced players in the side rather than McClaren's managerial ability. His spell with FC Twente was very impressive, but he totally failed at Wolfsburg. I can't see him doing too much with Forest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 13 June, 2011 Share Posted 13 June, 2011 to be fair..what he did with twente was remarkable...they absolutely love him...and wolfsberg, he had no say in player transfers at all...and they did even worse when he left..nearly (if not) got relegated...a completely whacky club from top to bottom good appointment for forest i agree and hes a better manager now hes got more life experience behind him , billy davies never really rated him , Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 13 June, 2011 Share Posted 13 June, 2011 Nottingham Forest chief executive Mark Arthur in an interview with the BBC... You don't achieve a lot by looking in the rear view mirror. What kind of saying is that? Well it helps prevent crashes in the future and you stay alive! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 13 June, 2011 Share Posted 13 June, 2011 Trophy and relegated in same season wasnt it? With Ravenelli and Juninho etc? That was Bryan Robson. They finished 19th in 1996/97 and got to the final of both the FA and League cups, they won neither. McClaren guided them to an 11th place finish in 2003/04 where they managed to win the Carling Cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 13 June, 2011 Share Posted 13 June, 2011 Trophy and relegated in same season wasnt it? With Ravenelli and Juninho etc?...personally think he is an average manager. Not too fussed about him. err...no he was not.. he is an excellent manager..but nor a ****e one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 13 June, 2011 Share Posted 13 June, 2011 to be fair..what he did with twente was remarkable...they absolutely love him...and wolfsberg, he had no say in player transfers at all...and they did even worse when he left..nearly (if not) got relegated...a completely whacky club from top to bottom good appointment for forest I think we're on the same track ..more of less Dell days, but as memory serves.. FC Twente hadn't had any real success since the last millenium, and some time before that as well..of course they loved him. He got greedy and went to Wolfsberg without reading the small print. Should've stayed as the big fish in the little pool withTwente. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 13 June, 2011 Share Posted 13 June, 2011 McLaren is a good manager, I rate him much more highly than Billy Davies - that's for sure. Notts have a strong team regardless of how they go about their transfers in the close season, and they will definitely be up there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 13 June, 2011 Share Posted 13 June, 2011 I think we're on the same track ..more of less Dell days, but as memory serves.. FC Twente hadn't had any real success since the last millenium, and some time before that as well..of course they loved him. He got greedy and went to Wolfsberg without reading the small print. Should've stayed as the big fish in the little pool withTwente. yes very true...but wolfsburg is a completely mental club..he had zero say in any transfer policy (whether that is a good or bad thing) and they actually did worse when he left... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Diamond Posted 13 June, 2011 Share Posted 13 June, 2011 It's been mentioned that McClaren had no say in transfers at Wolfsburg, but the fact is he'll have little or no say in transfers at Forest! As I mentioned on another thread, there's this 'transfer acquisition' panel headed by David Pleat, and Billy Davies was forever moaning about it. He couldn't get enough players in, then it wasn't who he wanted. Continental systems like the Forest set up, as far as I can see, are in place to give a club an identity. Over here we float from manager to manager and it's damaging to the club in the long term when people are moving in different directions. Look at us for example. Strachan had his own idea, Sturrock had another, Wigley didn't have a clue, Redknapp had an entirely different plan. Going from philosophy to philosophy so quickly achieves very little - in our case it led to relegation, and then again after Burley, Pearson then Poortvliet and Wotte. Need another example? Newcastle. They sacked Bobby Robson, brought in Souness, two managers with very different ideas about football. Then Souness goes, like with Wigley they promote from within, Roeder steps up. He goes, Allardyce comes in, with his 'unique' set of ideas. Again, he goes, then its Keegan. Then its Kinnear, then it's Shearer, relegation. A continental style system ensures that a style is maintained. The Director of Football or whatever has the ideas for a certain philosophy or identity and the manager subsequently works towards that. If that manager goes, a new one comes in, conforms and there's continuity. It's not worked over here all that much, Spurs tried and failed with Juande Ramos and Damien Commolli. I don't think it's really a case of McClaren's quality. At Forest it's about what else is going on there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 13 June, 2011 Share Posted 13 June, 2011 Anyone who could even contemplate this guy in charge can not be someone who followed England at the time, nor any respecting club. Totally dire. He did well at Derby as assistant despite alleged inapropriacies. He did ok at Middlesbrough. Aside from that I dont care what anyone says. I can not forgive him for England woes ruined a perfectly winnable tournament. Seeing as I will be living in England for the first time in 3 yrs and in nottingham. I will be there at forest opposite a block, giving him what for. as i will be in Derby as well. So you are using his record at international level to how well he will do at Championship level? Lets not forget, the England job has made clowns of better managers (on paper) than Steve McClaren, the incumbent for one who was viewed as some sort of managerial god before he took over the England role. As a bloke he does come across as a bit of a plank but he is a decent manager, certainly as good a club like Forest could hope for. With regard to his "ok" record at Middlesborough, what would Saints fans think of a manager who had given us regular midtable premier league finishes, won the Carling cup and got to a UEFA Cup final? I say he'd be thought of as some sort of hero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 13 June, 2011 Share Posted 13 June, 2011 The Kraken, Professor and Adriansfc all talking a lot of sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sperm_john Posted 13 June, 2011 Share Posted 13 June, 2011 good news for us, he's absolute ****e Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 13 June, 2011 Share Posted 13 June, 2011 It's been mentioned that McClaren had no say in transfers at Wolfsburg, but the fact is he'll have little or no say in transfers at Forest! As I mentioned on another thread, there's this 'transfer acquisition' panel headed by David Pleat, and Billy Davies was forever moaning about it. and we should all be very thankful for David Pleat. His recommendation paid for Lambert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Diamond Posted 13 June, 2011 Share Posted 13 June, 2011 and we should all be very thankful for David Pleat. His recommendation paid for Lambert. I'm thankful anyway - anyone willing to give us £1m for a pile of crap like McGoldrick is fine by me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cestrian Saint Posted 13 June, 2011 Share Posted 13 June, 2011 There is no way Saints will finish in the top 6. Lower half of the table is the best we can expect next season. As long as we stay up I'll be happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 13 June, 2011 Share Posted 13 June, 2011 There is no way Saints will finish in the top 6. Lower half of the table is the best we can expect next season. As long as we stay up I'll be happy. Norwich 2nd Leeds 7th Millwall 8th - Were any of their squads better than Saint's in May 2010? - Do you honestly think Saints aren't going to spend this summer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Diamond Posted 13 June, 2011 Share Posted 13 June, 2011 Norwich 2nd Leeds 7th Millwall 8th - Were any of their squads better than Saint's in May 2010? - Do you honestly think Saints aren't going to spend this summer? It's a tough call though. I would be happy with a top half finish and maybe a sneaky challenge for the play-offs but I'd agree I'm not expecting a top six finish. As for spending this summer, I can't see us spending a huge amount. I just hope we don't bring in a load of loan players, in the long term it does more damage than good. As soon as they go back to their parent club it's a void that needs filling, though granted you get a Lansbury every now and then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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