DrZuess1979 the 2nd Posted 3 January, 2012 Share Posted 3 January, 2012 YOu joke of a footballer How someone like you can dish it out but then roll around like a tit (nice to see your team mate`s congratulating you on getting someone sent off) was that the gameplan ??? wouldn`t supprise me TBH. I hope your RUGBY playing brother see`s you attempt at gamesmanship. :blush:Rant over Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Jonny Posted 3 January, 2012 Share Posted 3 January, 2012 I've just watched the all angles covered vid on Saints Player too and it really is embarrassing to see El-Abd's reaction. He is supposed to be a grown man, why doesn't he ****ing act like one. Utterly typical of Brighton and that monkey faced racist C-UNTS way of playing the game. You could see them trying to get Harding sent off earlier in the game by diving around all over the place, CMS's reaction to a similarly NOTHING challenge was ****ing comical. Brighton are an embarrassment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 3 January, 2012 Share Posted 3 January, 2012 It's weird, cause I don't think he's ever been that sort of player. Quite clearly the management there have asked them to act like babies and roll around at every opportunity, as they feel this is the way they can get the advantage. Says alot that they try and do ths rather than play football the right way. Quite clearly they don't have confidence in that they can win without getting an advantage first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrZuess1979 the 2nd Posted 3 January, 2012 Author Share Posted 3 January, 2012 While I am at it Andy D'urso Your Fing useless Had your back to the El-Abd double pike with back flip Harding got the ball in the yellow card tackle Ball was a foot over the line No wonder the Prem don`t want you refing in their league anymore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 3 January, 2012 Share Posted 3 January, 2012 Here is an interesting idea... Why don't the FA / FL introduce a disciplinary system whereby teams get docked X amount of points every time they reach a certain amount of red/yellow cards. If they started using video panels to issue punishments for incidents missed by the officials then we would soon see a massive reduction in the type of gamesmanship that the clowns think is a perfectly acceptable way of playing the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 3 January, 2012 Share Posted 3 January, 2012 They call it gamesmanship. I call it cheating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OVER THE HILL Posted 3 January, 2012 Share Posted 3 January, 2012 D'urso obviously didn't see what happened he was suckered by the rolling about **** and Greer shouting in his ear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrZuess1979 the 2nd Posted 3 January, 2012 Author Share Posted 3 January, 2012 Here is an interesting idea... Why don't the FA / FL introduce a disciplinary system whereby teams get docked X amount of points every time they reach a certain amount of red/yellow cards. If they started using video panels to issue punishments for incidents missed by the officials then we would soon see a massive reduction in the type of gamesmanship that the clowns think is a perfectly acceptable way of playing the game. They should just use video evidence to enforce 1-2-3 match bans, its a joke They can use VE to convict raceist remarks spitting etc why not this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 3 January, 2012 Share Posted 3 January, 2012 This is why I'm not that bothered about yesterday's result :- C**ts 3 - 0 Football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huffton Posted 3 January, 2012 Share Posted 3 January, 2012 Start giving out retrospective 3 match bans for cheating and it will stop, but that would mean the FA/FL admitting their refs may have possibly missed something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Diamond Posted 3 January, 2012 Share Posted 3 January, 2012 He plays under Gus Poyet. Why on earth are you all so surprised? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corky morris Posted 3 January, 2012 Share Posted 3 January, 2012 Just watchedit all on the Saints Player & how much did Durso get wrong?? F u c k me!! There was a blatant body check on Harding by their full back in the first half which went completely unpunished. Greer is obviously the leader of moaning as every chance he got he was in the ref's ear. I would appeal the sending off & use all the evidence of what went on with Brighton. Harding got booked for a fair tackle. Even waving Connolly offside when he wasnt. They are the most cynical, nasty & horrible football team I can remember since Wimbledon. And if Dean Hammond has got anything about him he would tell El-Abd to f u c k off!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didcot Saint Posted 3 January, 2012 Share Posted 3 January, 2012 And to top it all their website announced how they "outplayed us from the start". More like went out to foul, cheat, con the match officials and generally act like c..... From the start. No mention of the goal they should have conceded or the pen we should of had then. What a mickey mouse, unprofessional Noddy Club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 3 January, 2012 Share Posted 3 January, 2012 YOu joke of a footballer How someone like you can dish it out but then roll around like a tit (nice to see your team mate`s congratulating you on getting someone sent off) was that the gameplan ??? wouldn`t supprise me TBH. I hope your RUGBY playing brother see`s you attempt at gamesmanship. :blush:Rant over yes i fully agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 3 January, 2012 Share Posted 3 January, 2012 They are a strange bunch. They seem quite obsessed with Saints. It's very odd. I was tempted to go on their official Twitter and ask a politely worded question about whether they feel their tactics are disreputable and embarrassing and whether they plan on trying to build a side based around cheating for the foreseeable future but I couldn't be arsed in the end because, frankly, Brighton were never on my radar until last season and I still couldn't give a flying fook about them now. They are a disgraceful outfit though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Diamond Posted 3 January, 2012 Share Posted 3 January, 2012 Just had some Brighton tosspot dishing it out on Twitter. Said Lambert is 'a diving w@nker'. I replied that he must have been taking lessons from Brighton. He didn't like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintchris23 Posted 3 January, 2012 Share Posted 3 January, 2012 However they played, they still gained three points :o/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 3 January, 2012 Share Posted 3 January, 2012 However they played, they still gained three points :o/ Points that will be meaningless after the end of this year. I hope this galvanises the team into another run. I want to get drawn against Brighton in the FA Cup. Most of all, I'd like decent officials in that tie. Deep down, every Brighton fan knows their team is filth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 3 January, 2012 Share Posted 3 January, 2012 2 things that emphasised their cynical approach to the game (Lambert & Harding events apart). Forte was closed down by El-Abd the ball went out and you could see him getting in Fortes ear, no doubt priming him for a reaction. Then to damningly sum it all up at 3-0 up their CAPTAIN (after no end of niggling interference) see's fit to chance his luck and smash Forte in the face with his elbow when the ball was nowhere near them both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 3 January, 2012 Share Posted 3 January, 2012 He was just being professional and doing his job. Not very nice but it happens in football. Lambert should not have given him a chance to react in that way, even if the Ref was not doing his job properly. Poyet clearly encourages that sort of behaviour as the ill-discipline is prevalent throughout the team and is reflected in their disciplinary record. But we knew all this before, so no point moaning about it now. If that is how they need to behave to get on then good luck to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neilza Posted 4 January, 2012 Share Posted 4 January, 2012 Good luck to them if that's how they want to play. I certainly wouldn't pay money week in, week out to watch my team throw themselves about, I feel embarrassed enough when Guly makes one look a bit theatrical. I'd love to see a team kick proper lumps out of them but realistically most teams in this league will fancy their chances against them as if you can get past all the bull****, they really aren't very good, hence their current league position. Thankfully we don't have to play them again this season and I look forward to seeing there results coming through on Soccer Saturday each week with a loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corsacar saint Posted 4 January, 2012 Share Posted 4 January, 2012 Poyet and his team have the worst disciplinary record in the entire league,bar perhaps 1 or 2,says it all. Brighton have outplayed us once in 6 games,in Poyets first game in charge,he obviously had not had the time to instil the cheating,dirty south american style football they now play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dronskisaint Posted 4 January, 2012 Share Posted 4 January, 2012 As I said on other threads...when P*mpey die I'm going to hate Brighton El Abd...a digrace to himself and football but a credit to Gus the c*nt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints-cris Posted 4 January, 2012 Share Posted 4 January, 2012 After all their whinging about Lamberts 'diving' in the game at St Marys.. how can they take pride in that tart rolling around like a girl, in my eyes, cheating. Bunch of embarrassing hypocrites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seagull Posted 4 January, 2012 Share Posted 4 January, 2012 After all their whinging about Lamberts 'diving' in the game at St Marys.. how can they take pride in that tart rolling around like a girl, in my eyes, cheating. Bunch of embarrassing hypocrites. Forte went down like a sack of spuds too. Pot, Kettle... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anothersaintinsouthsea Posted 4 January, 2012 Share Posted 4 January, 2012 Forte went down like a sack of spuds too. Pot, Kettle... lol, what would you rather a blindside elbow to the face or a push with an open hand? thought so you mug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latter day saint Posted 4 January, 2012 Share Posted 4 January, 2012 Forte went down like a sack of spuds too. Pot, Kettle... as your here, what do you think about your teams terrible discipline record & reputation for dirty tactics ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 4 January, 2012 Share Posted 4 January, 2012 Forte went down like a sack of spuds too. Pot, Kettle... Hmmm, hardly a surprise ffs!! A full on blindside smack in the chops is likely to make most Men hit the deck like a sack of spuds!! Unlike your cheating Jessie of a "player" rolling about like he had been hit by a Train. I think if Rickie had done a Greer on Forte on El-Abd he would have not got up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seagull Posted 4 January, 2012 Share Posted 4 January, 2012 as your here, what do you think about your teams terrible discipline record & reputation for dirty tactics ? Well I'm wasting my time replying because it doesn't matter what I say, the vast majority on here will have their minds made up already. On the tiny, tiny chance that there's someone reading who's not just going to shout me down I'm happy to give my honest thoughts though. The club analyst put some stats on our forums the other week, I'm not going to do a search for them now but they're there nontheless, and it showed that on average the opposition commit more fouls than we do in games, and they also get more yellow cards than we do. I suspect you'll just say thats because we dive and wind up the oppo to make them conceede fouls etc, so I'm fully aware I'm never gonna change your opinions. We play very wide, as you'll have seen in our games, our centre backs will spread to the full back position at goal kicks etc, I think this often leaves us vulnerable if we lose the ball, so perhaps we commit more proffessional fouls when we lose the ball in a dangerous area. We've also got 3/4 excellent wingers. Buckley, LuaLua, Noone are all very quick and skillfull. I know you were all crying blue murder that Buckley dived when he got nudged by Harding but I do think when you have a player moving at pace, just the slightest contact can bring them down. I don't think thats limited to Brighton, but most quick wide players. Taricco was a moron getting sent off at your place, needs to keep his gob shut. Painter had a very harsh red card for us at Leicester. Barnes was taken out with a two footed challenge and then throwing to the ground by a Burnley player but the ref decided to send Barnes off. Vincelot was elbowed in the face by a Burnley player, and rather than going down, decided to jab him in the back (idiot) and Greer was a muppet to do what he did to Forte. I think Barnes, Vincelot and Painter’s reds were all the first of their careers. Taricco has always been that way throughout his career though and Greer has been hot headed in the past too (got sent off on his debut for us and his last game for Swindon). El-Abd has a history of over reacting to contact too (although in some ways I wish Vincelot had vs Burnley when he was elbowed in the face, better that than reacting!). I don’t think we’re as bad as some would like to suggest and I certainly don’t think Poyet sets up the team to play that way, but as I’ve said a number of times, I’m pretty sure you couldn’t care less what I think. Last post I’m allowed anyway, so 24 hours before I can reply to any further posts, if they’re worth replying too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bender Posted 5 January, 2012 Share Posted 5 January, 2012 Well I'm wasting my time replying because it doesn't matter what I say, the vast majority on here will have their minds made up already. On the tiny, tiny chance that there's someone reading who's not just going to shout me down I'm happy to give my honest thoughts though. The club analyst put some stats on our forums the other week, I'm not going to do a search for them now but they're there nontheless, and it showed that on average the opposition commit more fouls than we do in games, and they also get more yellow cards than we do. I suspect you'll just say thats because we dive and wind up the oppo to make them conceede fouls etc, so I'm fully aware I'm never gonna change your opinions. We play very wide, as you'll have seen in our games, our centre backs will spread to the full back position at goal kicks etc, I think this often leaves us vulnerable if we lose the ball, so perhaps we commit more proffessional fouls when we lose the ball in a dangerous area. We've also got 3/4 excellent wingers. Buckley, LuaLua, Noone are all very quick and skillfull. I know you were all crying blue murder that Buckley dived when he got nudged by Harding but I do think when you have a player moving at pace, just the slightest contact can bring them down. I don't think thats limited to Brighton, but most quick wide players. Taricco was a moron getting sent off at your place, needs to keep his gob shut. Painter had a very harsh red card for us at Leicester. Barnes was taken out with a two footed challenge and then throwing to the ground by a Burnley player but the ref decided to send Barnes off. Vincelot was elbowed in the face by a Burnley player, and rather than going down, decided to jab him in the back (idiot) and Greer was a muppet to do what he did to Forte. I think Barnes, Vincelot and Painter’s reds were all the first of their careers. Taricco has always been that way throughout his career though and Greer has been hot headed in the past too (got sent off on his debut for us and his last game for Swindon). El-Abd has a history of over reacting to contact too (although in some ways I wish Vincelot had vs Burnley when he was elbowed in the face, better that than reacting!). I don’t think we’re as bad as some would like to suggest and I certainly don’t think Poyet sets up the team to play that way, but as I’ve said a number of times, I’m pretty sure you couldn’t care less what I think. Last post I’m allowed anyway, so 24 hours before I can reply to any further posts, if they’re worth replying too! Point is Poyet is hardly one to be keen on discipline in his side. On Monday, it just all went against us. Call it bad luck/whatever, our players just took it and just accepted it was a bad day at the office. We plugged away as much as we could but we were never gonna get back into it with Lambo and Guly off. However, at our place when it all went against you, your players lost all discipline. Even the captain lost it. Your players were visibly upset and shouted at the ref for every little decision that went against them. Thats why the below exists. You cant deny Poyet needs to address this. http://soccernet.espn.go.com/stats/fairplay/_/league/eng.2/english-league-championship?cc=5739 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 5 January, 2012 Share Posted 5 January, 2012 http://www.football-league.co.uk/page/ClubDiscipline/0,,10794~20117,00.html Brighton & Hove = 57 Yellow cards - 5 Red - 3 pens conceded - 262 fouls commited Southampton.....= 32 Yellow cards - 3 Red - 0 pens conceded - 278 fouls commited Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 5 January, 2012 Share Posted 5 January, 2012 Seagull I read your post . If you thought you were wasting your time posting why post. You are quite derogatory with your comments, Yes we do have a few hot heads on this forum but the majrity of us have balanced if not differing I am opened minded about events and though I wasnt at the match . was on the road driving up to aberdeen to catch a ferry. but I have seen the footage, And saints fans have every right to be angry at what went on last monday. Most of your team are a bunch of cheats and Im not just referring to the saints game . read other teams posts and you might just wake up to smell the coffee. I see you dont mention the Llalanna goal that was not given. And I assume that you thought the W***er with the whistle was one of the best officials you have had this season. You were fortunate to have the officials on your side on monday seagull . If Poyet had not adopted the taticshe used then your team would have been beaten. At least you had a ref who cheated alongside you . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericofarabia Posted 5 January, 2012 Share Posted 5 January, 2012 http://www.football-league.co.uk/page/ClubDiscipline/0,,10794~20117,00.html Brighton & Hove = 57 Yellow cards - 5 Red - 3 pens conceded - 262 fouls commited Southampton.....= 32 Yellow cards - 3 Red - 0 pens conceded - 278 fouls commited Plus about 50 on Lambo alone that weren't awarded by either of the crap refs or their inept linos over the 2 games!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 5 January, 2012 Share Posted 5 January, 2012 Well I'm wasting my time replying because it doesn't matter what I say, the vast majority on here will have their minds made up already. On the tiny, tiny chance that there's someone reading who's not just going to shout me down I'm happy to give my honest thoughts though. The club analyst put some stats on our forums the other week, I'm not going to do a search for them now but they're there nontheless, and it showed that on average the opposition commit more fouls than we do in games, and they also get more yellow cards than we do. I suspect you'll just say thats because we dive and wind up the oppo to make them conceede fouls etc, so I'm fully aware I'm never gonna change your opinions. We play very wide, as you'll have seen in our games, our centre backs will spread to the full back position at goal kicks etc, I think this often leaves us vulnerable if we lose the ball, so perhaps we commit more proffessional fouls when we lose the ball in a dangerous area. We've also got 3/4 excellent wingers. Buckley, LuaLua, Noone are all very quick and skillfull. I know you were all crying blue murder that Buckley dived when he got nudged by Harding but I do think when you have a player moving at pace, just the slightest contact can bring them down. I don't think thats limited to Brighton, but most quick wide players. Taricco was a moron getting sent off at your place, needs to keep his gob shut. Painter had a very harsh red card for us at Leicester. Barnes was taken out with a two footed challenge and then throwing to the ground by a Burnley player but the ref decided to send Barnes off. Vincelot was elbowed in the face by a Burnley player, and rather than going down, decided to jab him in the back (idiot) and Greer was a muppet to do what he did to Forte. I think Barnes, Vincelot and Painter’s reds were all the first of their careers. Taricco has always been that way throughout his career though and Greer has been hot headed in the past too (got sent off on his debut for us and his last game for Swindon). El-Abd has a history of over reacting to contact too (although in some ways I wish Vincelot had vs Burnley when he was elbowed in the face, better that than reacting!). I don’t think we’re as bad as some would like to suggest and I certainly don’t think Poyet sets up the team to play that way, but as I’ve said a number of times, I’m pretty sure you couldn’t care less what I think. Last post I’m allowed anyway, so 24 hours before I can reply to any further posts, if they’re worth replying too! Correct. If you cheat and feign injury to get a opposition player sent off...you know that you are cheating... It matters not how much bull**** you and your players,manager and fans spout,the truth is alawys the truth Outwardly you can say what you like but inside those cheating know the truth Poyet!! you know you encourage this,deny it as much as you like but the truth is always in your mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seagull Posted 6 January, 2012 Share Posted 6 January, 2012 Point is Poyet is hardly one to be keen on discipline in his side. On Monday, it just all went against us. Call it bad luck/whatever, our players just took it and just accepted it was a bad day at the office. We plugged away as much as we could but we were never gonna get back into it with Lambo and Guly off. However, at our place when it all went against you, your players lost all discipline. Even the captain lost it. Your players were visibly upset and shouted at the ref for every little decision that went against them. Thats why the below exists. You cant deny Poyet needs to address this. http://soccernet.espn.go.com/stats/fairplay/_/league/eng.2/english-league-championship?cc=5739 We’ve got a few hot headed players I’d agree, Taricco, Greer, Calderon and Barnes for example. We certainly didn’t do ourselves any favours at St Marys. I wouldn’t say that’s indicative of the entire season though. Thankfully, Taricco is only a back-up so hopefully won’t play to many more games and Calderon has been dropped on a couple of occasions so hopefully those two won’t be about causing agro in the future! Seagull I read your post . If you thought you were wasting your time posting why post. You are quite derogatory with your comments, Yes we do have a few hot heads on this forum but the majrity of us have balanced if not differing I am opened minded about events and though I wasnt at the match . was on the road driving up to aberdeen to catch a ferry. but I have seen the footage, And saints fans have every right to be angry at what went on last monday. Most of your team are a bunch of cheats and Im not just referring to the saints game . read other teams posts and you might just wake up to smell the coffee. I see you dont mention the Llalanna goal that was not given. And I assume that you thought the W***er with the whistle was one of the best officials you have had this season. You were fortunate to have the officials on your side on monday seagull . If Poyet had not adopted the taticshe used then your team would have been beaten. At least you had a ref who cheated alongside you . I don’t understand why I should have brought up the goal that wasn’t allowed? I was talking about Brighton’s discipline, not the game between us, and even if I was, that goal has nothing to do with discipline? I wouldn’t dispute we got lucky on Monday. You should have been 1-0 up with that effort that crossed the line. Fair comment on “why post”, I’m normally don’t bother, especially with the rather hostile reception I seem to get on here. I was asked a question, and on the tiny chance it wasn’t just a jibe, I thought it rude not to reply. Correct. If you cheat and feign injury to get a opposition player sent off...you know that you are cheating... It matters not how much bull**** you and your players,manager and fans spout,the truth is alawys the truth Outwardly you can say what you like but inside those cheating know the truth Poyet!! you know you encourage this,deny it as much as you like but the truth is always in your mind Just for the record, I’m not Gus Poyet, or a player, I have nothing to do with what goes on, on the pitch..! El-Abd milked it, I’m not saying it’s something I like, but as much as it’s another excuse to call Brighton cheats and so on, you know as well as I do that it goes on up and down the country every week. El-Abds not the first, he won’t be the last! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 6 January, 2012 Share Posted 6 January, 2012 Thanks for posting Seagull, always nice to see a fan from another team posting. I do think that Brighton set up to make the most of challenges where they think there's a chance of the other player getting booked, but unfortunately I think that's a facet of the modern game that we just have to accept really. So much power is in the referees' hands when they have to make a decision on the pitch and players love to influence their decisions now, dodgy calls are made in every game. However I think that we suffered unfairly the other day at the hands of some poor refereeing decisions, notably Rickie's sending-off (he wasn't even looking at El-Abd as he pushed him off him, and El-Abd arguably could have been booked for a) diving and b) obstruction. Brighton are by no means the only team that set up like this, i've seen some of our players make the most of some mistimed challenges this season. It's just not a particularly endearing tactic to opposition fans, which makes it more frustrating when Brighton (and other) fans say that our players dive and are dirty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 6 January, 2012 Share Posted 6 January, 2012 Seagull, a difference between Brighton's disciplinary record and those of other teams is a deep suspicion that whereas most teams have one or two players who make the most of fouls, with Brighton the "professional" fouls, the play acting, the constant pressure on the referee, the time wasting, are sanctioned by Poyet. Like it or not, there is a perception that Poyet has introduced a cynical styleof play which I suggest does your club no credit. It reminds me of the style of Don Revie's Dirty Leeds. As you say, Brighton have some good players so is all the gamesmanship necessary? The cynical answer would be yes because with the assistance of incompetent officials it won you the game but let's not kid ourselves it's football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corky morris Posted 6 January, 2012 Share Posted 6 January, 2012 My view of Brighton is built on seeing you in the flesh 3 times against Saints & on the TV. From that, I believe without a shred of doubt that Poyet has encouraged your players to feign injury, get in the refs ear & generally wind up opposition players more than any other team I have seen since Wimbledon 20 years ago. If that was Saints, I would be more than a little ashamed of the manager & the players. It's not professional, it's simply cheating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctoroncall Posted 6 January, 2012 Share Posted 6 January, 2012 http://www.football-league.co.uk/page/ClubDiscipline/0,,10794~20117,00.html Brighton & Hove = 57 Yellow cards - 5 Red - 3 pens conceded - 262 fouls commited Southampton.....= 32 Yellow cards - 3 Red - 0 pens conceded - 278 fouls commited If you do a bit of analysis, Brighton are way ahead with the percentage of fouls that cause a booking at 24%, whereas the rest of the division are 15% and below. Even the skates, after changing their manager were top of the discipline charts have improved. Quite indicative of Poyet as a manager. Last year they were 14% and Saints were 11%, top offenders were MK Dons with 18%. Seagull - always good to get a different perspective on matches and other stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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