trousers Posted 11 November, 2008 Share Posted 11 November, 2008 Ok....I know there's one or two other threads that mention this but felt it warranted highlighting because it doesn't add up.... The OS said this on Saturday before the game against Bristol City: "Poortvliet is boosted by the return of Adam Lallana, and the absence of a mid-week match has given a host of other players, including David McGoldrick and Bradley Wright Phillips, the chance to recover from minor injury and illness. McGoldrick had a slight hip complaint, which has now resolved itself, whilst Wright-Phillips was affected by a virus that has ruled Jordan Robertson out completely. Simon Gillett and Michael Svensson are both missing with thier respective knee issues, but Oscar Gobern keeps his place in the squad after impressing against Preston" http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/news/?page_id=10878 i.e. no mention of Schneiderlin's injury and, unusually, no squad list.... And today the Echo prints this: MORGAN Schneiderlin should be fit for Saints’ game against Championship table toppers Wolves on Saturday. The French midfielder was forced out of the game at Bristol City through an injury picked up in training two days previously. http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/sai...o_face_Wolves/ Why (oh why) would the club not report that one of our most influential players has been injured for two days, and not least in the pre-match report? Surely this isn't simply a case of sloppy journalism? Or am I missing something somewhere (like a large bag of marbles)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 11 November, 2008 Share Posted 11 November, 2008 They didnt want to galvanise B.C by letting them know the brain/hub/nucleus of our team was out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 11 November, 2008 Author Share Posted 11 November, 2008 They didnt want to galvanise B.C by letting them know the brain/hub/nucleus of our team was out? Damn the Echo then....they've just given the game away to Wolves ahead of Saturday. You wait, we'll bloomin' well go and lose to them now they know he's back and can plan accordingly....tsk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 11 November, 2008 Author Share Posted 11 November, 2008 They didnt want to galvanise B.C by letting them know the brain/hub/nucleus of our team was out? ...and the cunning plan almost worked....if it wasn't for those pesky kids.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 11 November, 2008 Share Posted 11 November, 2008 You like concurrent posting eh trousers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 11 November, 2008 Author Share Posted 11 November, 2008 Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 11 November, 2008 Share Posted 11 November, 2008 May well try it myself, see how it goes. you think Morgan will walk straight back into the team then? Even with all the creativity from Saturday........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 11 November, 2008 Author Share Posted 11 November, 2008 indeed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 11 November, 2008 Share Posted 11 November, 2008 damn you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintstr1 Posted 11 November, 2008 Share Posted 11 November, 2008 Morgan was at the Emirates last Saturday checking the place out and he stayed on to watch the Arse v Manure game.............. nod nod,wink wink Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 11 November, 2008 Share Posted 11 November, 2008 Well i'm not entirely sure (although i'm sure there are some evil reason behind it) but at a guess i'd say that it was only a minor tweak (thus he's back now) and they left it til the last minute before making a decision... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Bates Posted 12 November, 2008 Share Posted 12 November, 2008 Well i'm not entirely sure (although i'm sure there are some evil reason behind it) but at a guess i'd say that it was only a minor tweak (thus he's back now) and they left it til the last minute before making a decision... I like this idea best. May I also add that bringing up a cup of tea is mighty refreshing to the throat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 12 November, 2008 Share Posted 12 November, 2008 To answer the OP: Because the financial situation is so much worse than expected, Lowe will be cashing him in far earlier (and for a lot less profit) than he planned. See ? Even the youth policy isnt working anymore. Everything Rupert "Reverse Midas" Lowe touches, turns to shiiit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 12 November, 2008 Share Posted 12 November, 2008 Everything Rupert "Reverse Midas" Lowe touches, turns to shiiit. How is that the reverse of the Midas touch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 12 November, 2008 Share Posted 12 November, 2008 He has been sold and will therefore pick up a miraculous 'injury' this week again. I only hope they paid his agent a lot of money so he would come to us and then sell him on at a massive profit. Looks mighty fishy to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 12 November, 2008 Share Posted 12 November, 2008 Well i'm not entirely sure (although i'm sure there are some evil reason behind it) but at a guess i'd say that it was only a minor tweak (thus he's back now) and they left it til the last minute before making a decision... He has been sold and will therefore pick up a miraculous 'injury' this week again. I only hope they paid his agent a lot of money so he would come to us and then sell him on at a massive profit. Looks mighty fishy to me. See the difference here? Neither poster knows the truth... And yet one makes their guess appear as fact... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 12 November, 2008 Share Posted 12 November, 2008 See the difference here? Neither poster knows the truth... And yet one makes their guess appear as fact... Hardly. It's pretty clear to anyone with a modicum of intelligence that my one is only an opinion. If I really knew that to be the case would I post it on an opinion-based website? I've seen about three posts in about three years that have been based on first hand knowledge. And those were from Mods announcing the site would be going down... Still, I bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
once_bitterne Posted 12 November, 2008 Share Posted 12 November, 2008 If we get a few million for him in Jan it could well the difference between going into administration and not.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 12 November, 2008 Share Posted 12 November, 2008 How is that the reverse of the Midas touch? What else could possibly be the opposite of gold :shock: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 12 November, 2008 Share Posted 12 November, 2008 What else could possibly be the opposite of gold :shock: Well some girls like to have both on their fingers i guess... I'd suggest a reverse Midas might be turning gold into it's normal state however... And depending on when you started supported Saints perhaps our present division is us in our normal state... Not me however...i want the Premier League back! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughieslastminutegoal Posted 12 November, 2008 Share Posted 12 November, 2008 I'd suggest a reverse Midas might be turning gold into it's normal state however... Ah, that old trick of turning an element into ... itself. Something I've being doing since I was a baby. Rupert on the other hand, hasn't quite got that trick right yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 12 November, 2008 Author Share Posted 12 November, 2008 Well i'm not entirely sure (although i'm sure there are some evil reason behind it) but at a guess i'd say that it was only a minor tweak (thus he's back now) and they left it til the last minute before making a decision... The OS match day article than mentions squad injuries etc is written in near real-time as the match takes place, so the timing of this doesn't work as an explanation.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 12 November, 2008 Share Posted 12 November, 2008 To answer the OP: Because the financial situation is so much worse than expected, Lowe will be cashing him in far earlier (and for a lot less profit) than he planned. See ? Even the youth policy isnt working anymore. Everything Rupert "Reverse Midas" Lowe touches, turns to shiiit. Actually it still is working. I was thinking about this last night and how much our falling attendances were hurting the club. With around 10,000 less fans that is an average fall in income of £250,000 per game. If you 'cashed in' early and sold morgan now for, say £5m, that would compensate for the attendance shortfall in an entire season. Given the conveyor belt that we have no alternative but to work with at the minute, even two sales a year would keep us financially stable, and give us a good number of remaining youngsters to work with. It might not be pretty but it will keep us solvent. The other plus is seeing our strategy we will get more youngsters signing for us because they know it will get them in the shop window quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 12 November, 2008 Share Posted 12 November, 2008 Actually it still is working. I was thinking about this last night and how much our falling attendances were hurting the club. With around 10,000 less fans that is an average fall in income of £250,000 per game. If you 'cashed in' early and sold morgan now for, say £5m, that would compensate for the attendance shortfall in an entire season. Given the conveyor belt that we have no alternative but to work with at the minute, even two sales a year would keep us financially stable, and give us a good number of remaining youngsters to work with. It might not be pretty but it will keep us solvent. The other plus is seeing our strategy we will get more youngsters signing for us because they know it will get them in the shop window quickly. I'm not sure financially stable is correct. How many other contributing factors add to our monthly losses?? Presumably less fans doesn't just equal less income from tickets, but also programme sales, beer, food etc etc.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 12 November, 2008 Share Posted 12 November, 2008 I'm not sure financially stable is correct. How many other contributing factors add to our monthly losses?? Presumably less fans doesn't just equal less income from tickets, but also programme sales, beer, food etc etc.... Meh. The speed those muppets work behind the counters i'd suggest we're probably selling the same amount of pies...just less people giving up frustrated! I like the fact i can get a pint at half time and not have to skull it in five minutes! One of very few advantages of an empty ground... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 12 November, 2008 Share Posted 12 November, 2008 Spiderman is and always was a business deal for the Saints and clearly looking like a deal on behalf of the Arsenal....Spiderman on business trip to London Colney and The Emeritaes Stadium..part of the deal or to see his old Uncle.....Does it really matter anymore....Hoping it brings us some extra money somehere down the line soon. Good player but more potential than saviour...Arsenes boy soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scummer Posted 12 November, 2008 Share Posted 12 November, 2008 Was Schneiderlin actually at Arsenal on Saturday, or did he simply watch the match on TV? There's quite a difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Posted 12 November, 2008 Share Posted 12 November, 2008 To answer the OP: Because the financial situation is so much worse than expected, Lowe will be cashing him in far earlier (and for a lot less profit) than he planned. See ? Even the youth policy isnt working anymore. Everything Rupert "Reverse Midas" Lowe touches, turns to shiiit. Making profit on a player who signed five minutes ago while we desperately need money; how is that an example of the policy not working? I'd suggest a reverse Midas might be turning gold into it's normal state however... Gold's normal state is gold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 12 November, 2008 Share Posted 12 November, 2008 Gold's normal state is gold. I obviously haven't phrased that very well have i? It's too late now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 12 November, 2008 Share Posted 12 November, 2008 If we get a few million for him in Jan it could well the difference between going into administration and not.... Maybe but what happens when we have nothing to sell that anyone wants, what will stop us going into administration then if that is the case? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 12 November, 2008 Share Posted 12 November, 2008 If we get a few million for him in Jan it could well the difference between going into administration and not.... Long term the only thing to stop administration is getting a winning team because eventually there will be no stars to sale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Posted 12 November, 2008 Share Posted 12 November, 2008 In today's Evening Standard: 'The Gunners are keeping tabs on Southampton midfielder Morgan Schneiderlin. The French 19-year-old is expected to leave Saints in the transfer window, with Arsenal reported to be leading the chase. His agent, Richard des Voeux, said: "A January move is possible."' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 12 November, 2008 Share Posted 12 November, 2008 its obvious what happened. He looked up the word tackle in the dictionary and then tried it for the first time on Friday, injured himself and had to be withdrawn from the squad at last minute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 13 November, 2008 Share Posted 13 November, 2008 If we get a few million for him in Jan it could well the difference between going into administration and not.... Whilst the Quality of the Team on the pitch gets LESS and LESS ........ ...... and you back that " Reverse Progress" logic ........ Not a lot of point in having a wonderfully wrapped Xmas Box .... if there is SOD ALL IN IT ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 13 November, 2008 Share Posted 13 November, 2008 Whilst the Quality of the Team on the pitch gets LESS and LESS ........ ...... and you back that " Reverse Progress" logic ........ Not a lot of point in having a wonderfully wrapped Xmas Box .... if there is SOD ALL IN IT ......... Actually the correct analogy is having absolutely nothing left under the Christmas tree, and Rupert stealing the mince pies. Ho Ho Ho! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 13 November, 2008 Author Share Posted 13 November, 2008 Actually the correct analogy is having absolutely nothing left under the Christmas tree, and Rupert stealing the mince pies. Ho Ho Ho! Are you suggesting that Rupert might come down my chimney? (if I ask nicely) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 13 November, 2008 Share Posted 13 November, 2008 If we get a few million for him in Jan it could well the difference between going into administration and not.... WHAT is the point in keep on putting off Administration, if the Quality of the Team gets less and less, and we drift down to Div 1... then Div 2 etc etc If we have no money NOW ......... wecertainly won't have any the lower we go But the PLC will still be solvent ... Oh Joy .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 13 November, 2008 Share Posted 13 November, 2008 To answer the OP: Because the financial situation is so much worse than expected, Lowe will be cashing him in far earlier (and for a lot less profit) than he planned. See ? Even the youth policy isnt working anymore. Everything Rupert "Reverse Midas" Lowe touches, turns to shiiit. WHOAA ... steady on....... you're not implying that Rupert Lowe has TOLD Poortvliet NOT to play Schneiderlin, because he is one of Del Boy Lowe's "Sell Sell Sell" January Sales ...... and therefore he won't be available for SAINTS That is tantamount to INTERFERENCE, and TEAM SELECTION ..... Just wait until I see Dave Bassett ............ So we won't s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 13 November, 2008 Share Posted 13 November, 2008 Are you suggesting that Rupert might come down my chimney? (if I ask nicely) I think he's suggesting that Rupert is in actual fact the Green Giant... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 13 November, 2008 Share Posted 13 November, 2008 I think he's suggesting that Rupert is in actual fact the Green Giant... No he's not. That would be too corn(on the cob)y. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorkiesaint Posted 13 November, 2008 Share Posted 13 November, 2008 I'm still not sure i get this spiderman thing. why if the arsenal wanted him did they not just buy him? from their side what are they getting by letting him come to saints for 6 months? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 13 November, 2008 Share Posted 13 November, 2008 I'm still not sure i get this spiderman thing. why if the arsenal wanted him did they not just buy him? from their side what are they getting by letting him come to saints for 6 months? It's their version of help the poor.Arsenal, the Robin Hood of modern football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alain Perrin Posted 13 November, 2008 Share Posted 13 November, 2008 Lazy journalism. Morgan is French. Arsene is French. QED he must be moving to Arsenal. Even the agent quote is a bit of a joke. It would have been more of a shocker had his agent dismissed rumours of a move, "I'm not interested in any more commission", said Richard des Voeux. When asked if Morgan was offered a £5m move to Arsenal, Richard des Voex said: "A January move is possible."' No ****! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Bob Posted 13 November, 2008 Share Posted 13 November, 2008 I'm still not sure i get this spiderman thing. why if the arsenal wanted him did they not just buy him? from their side what are they getting by letting him come to saints for 6 months? Ummm, I may be wrong or misguided or both, but aren't there rules in place that a player can't transfer twice in the same year. If there is that means that Schneiderlein has to stay until at least the summer!! I'm basing this on the Mascerano saga when he went to 'pool in the January sales!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 13 November, 2008 Share Posted 13 November, 2008 Ummm, I may be wrong or misguided or both, but aren't there rules in place that a player can't transfer twice in the same year. If there is that means that Schneiderlein has to stay until at least the summer!! I'm basing this on the Mascerano saga when he went to 'pool in the January sales!! You can't play for more than two in a season. Schneiderlin would be fine to move in January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 13 November, 2008 Share Posted 13 November, 2008 It's their version of help the poor.Arsenal, the Robin Hood of modern football. its also against rules for clubs to have an interest in player registered elsewhere. Arsenal didn't buy him or agree to do so, its just silly. That may have looked at him, and may buy him in future, who knows. If they wanted him in the summer they would have bought him and could have immediately loaned him to us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 13 November, 2008 Share Posted 13 November, 2008 Ummm, I may be wrong or misguided or both, but aren't there rules in place that a player can't transfer twice in the same year. If there is that means that Schneiderlein has to stay until at least the summer!! I'm basing this on the Mascerano saga when he went to 'pool in the January sales!! I think it's playing for 3 different clubs in the same FIFA transfer year. Morgan has only played for us this year having transferred in Europe's closed season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southamptonfclegend Posted 13 November, 2008 Share Posted 13 November, 2008 seriously i don't think we can lose this guy... although i think £5 million is a good deal for what he is we will not invest this back into the team therefore we'll be forced to play a weaker midfielder this guy has obvious talent and great potential the only reason we should sell him if it means we can keep lallana. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Bob Posted 13 November, 2008 Share Posted 13 November, 2008 You can't play for more than two in a season. Schneiderlin would be fine to move in January. I think it's playing for 3 different clubs in the same FIFA transfer year. Morgan has only played for us this year having transferred in Europe's closed season. Thanks, see I WAS wrong and misguided Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 14 November, 2008 Author Share Posted 14 November, 2008 http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/news/?page_id=10905 Schneiderlin: "I will speak with the gaffer and the physio before Saturday and hopefully I will play" Since when does a Frenchman who couldn't speak a word of English 3 months ago start using words like "gaffer" in interviews? Unless of course these articles are ghost written by someone else on behalf of the players.....hmmmm.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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