Glasgow_Saint Posted 29 December, 2013 Share Posted 29 December, 2013 This is being discussed on the Ramirez thread so thought id keep it seperate. Few concerns about our effectiveness in the final 3rd and today was a good example of this. We had lots of the ball, but...... * Managed just two shots on target all day * Lambert and Jay Rod didnt touch the ball in the Everton 18 yard box all day! With Robles making his first Everton start id thought we'd have peppered his goal today? We saw what happened when we did get a shot away! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 29 December, 2013 Share Posted 29 December, 2013 lets see if you start 2 or 3 threads a couple of hours after a win? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 29 December, 2013 Share Posted 29 December, 2013 This is being discussed on the Ramirez thread so thought id keep it seperate. Few concerns about our effectiveness in the final 3rd and today was a good example of this. We had lots of the ball, but...... * Managed just two shots on target all day * Lambert and Jay Rod didnt touch the ball in the Everton 18 yard box all day! With Robles making his first Everton start id thought we'd have peppered his goal today? We saw what happened when we did get a shot away! This has been one of the main problems with Lambert playing as the only striker as he is not an out and out striker. He drifts far too much and is one of the reasons why Pochettino brought in Osvaldo. He doesn't want a 'linking' striker, he wants a striker that will be in the box, getting into goal scoring positions. Nothing new to see here if you look at Lambert stats since the beginning of last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 29 December, 2013 Author Share Posted 29 December, 2013 This has been one of the main problems with Lambert playing as the only striker as he is not an out and out striker. He drifts far too much and is one of the reasons why Pochettino brought in Osvaldo. He doesn't want a 'linking' striker, he wants a striker that will be in the box, getting into goal scoring positions. Nothing new to see here if you look at Lambert stats since the beginning of last season. Lambert is a box man though, we just seem unable to feed him. Lambert was at his best when we used to get the ball forward quickly. Ball to the back post, nod from Lambert to danger area > GOAL! hes done it many times. Nowadays he doesnt get the ball in the 18 yard box at all. None of our front men do? Lambert and Jay Rod didnt touch the ball in the Everton 18 yard box all day! Thats a worry no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 29 December, 2013 Share Posted 29 December, 2013 Lambert is a box man though, we just seem unable to feed him. Lambert was at his best when we used to get the ball forward quickly. Ball to the back post, nod from Lambert to danger area > GOAL! hes done it many times. Nowadays he doesnt get the ball in the 18 yard box at all. None of our front men do? Lambert and Jay Rod didnt touch the ball in the Everton 18 yard box all day! Thats a worry no? No, because that's not the way we play Lambert anymore. Today was probably the 2nd hardest away game of the season, so I'm not too worried if Lambert or Jay Rod had an off day. Lambert has had a lot of them this season, but we are still 9th. It shows we are able to adapt, persevere and succeed even when he is not on top form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 29 December, 2013 Share Posted 29 December, 2013 It's a fair point and this plus overall squad strength is what prevents us from creeping higher in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 29 December, 2013 Author Share Posted 29 December, 2013 No, because that's not the way we play Lambert anymore. Today was probably the 2nd hardest away game of the season, so I'm not too worried if Lambert or Jay Rod had an off day. Lambert has had a lot of them this season, but we are still 9th. It shows we are able to adapt, persevere and succeed even when he is not on top form. But the reason Lambert is ineffective is because of the way mopo asks him to play? Lambert has shown for years how he can be a threat and score goals, you have to work with players strenghs? It would be like asking Wanyama to play left wing and then moaning when his form dips. Lambert has touched the ball more times in our own 18 yard box than he has in the opposing 18 yard box this season. Thats a worry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 29 December, 2013 Share Posted 29 December, 2013 Defenders have long since learnt how to deal with Lambert at the back stick. It's not all that difficult for most Premier League centre halves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 29 December, 2013 Share Posted 29 December, 2013 As I said in the post match thread, Lallana looked at his scoring shy best always looking for another option rather than taking the shot. I don't believe J-Rod or Lambert didn't touch the ball in the 18 yard box though, wasn't Lambert's on target chance and his offside shot from shorter than that and I'm pretty sure Rodriguez did the same. We're trying too hard to pass it into the net I feel and no one seems to want to shoot depsite getting into good positions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 29 December, 2013 Share Posted 29 December, 2013 Our final 3rd is a real issue, we seem scared at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted 29 December, 2013 Share Posted 29 December, 2013 F**king boring unfunny pr*ck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 29 December, 2013 Share Posted 29 December, 2013 Our final 3rd is a real issue, we seem scared at the moment. What a completely nonsensical statement that is. We are playing some good teams with decent defences more like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 11 January, 2014 Author Share Posted 11 January, 2014 Great to get the win today, but still concerned with our forward play? Is it just me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 11 January, 2014 Share Posted 11 January, 2014 No it's dune as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 11 January, 2014 Share Posted 11 January, 2014 Great to get the win today, but still concerned with our forward play? Is it just me? It's not clicking at the moment. If Osvaldo gets his act together then fine. Do you think that Rickie is just going through a lean spell and will he come good again ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 11 January, 2014 Author Share Posted 11 January, 2014 It's not clicking at the moment. If Osvaldo gets his act together then fine. Do you think that Rickie is just going through a lean spell and will he come good again ? I think most strikers would struggle under mopos tactics unfortunatly We have 3 x England forwards and 1 x Italy striker!!! If you struggle in the final 3rd with them, then there is no hope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 11 January, 2014 Share Posted 11 January, 2014 I think most strikers would struggle under mopos tactics unfortunatly We have 3 x England forwards and 1 x Italy striker!!! If you struggle in the final 3rd with them, then there is no hope I don't understand, could you please explain your assertion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 11 January, 2014 Share Posted 11 January, 2014 Great to get the win today, but still concerned with our forward play? Is it just me? You're right, we need Osvaldo and Ramirez back in the side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 11 January, 2014 Author Share Posted 11 January, 2014 I don't understand, could you please explain your assertion. Forwards have to drop too deep to get the ball We are to slow in the final 3rd 35 yards from goal we have no imagination One decent shot on target all day today Corners poor for long time Free kicks poor Lambert touched ball twice in WBA area all game Jay Rod touched ball once in WBA area all game We just seem to lack any real imagination or aggression in the final 3rd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 11 January, 2014 Share Posted 11 January, 2014 Forwards have to drop too deep to get the ball We are to slow in the final 3rd 35 yards from goal we have no imagination One decent shot on target all day today Corners poor for long time Free kicks poor Lambert touched ball twice in WBA area all game Jay Rod touched ball once in WBA area all game We just seem to lack any real imagination or aggression in the final 3rd I think you're being a bit harsh on Lambert and Jay Rod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 11 January, 2014 Share Posted 11 January, 2014 Forwards have to drop too deep to get the ball We are to slow in the final 3rd 35 yards from goal we have no imagination One decent shot on target all day today Corners poor for long time Free kicks poor Lambert touched ball twice in WBA area all game Jay Rod touched ball once in WBA area all game We just seem to lack any real imagination or aggression in the final 3rd Or, is it that we just don't have enough really good forwards ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 11 January, 2014 Share Posted 11 January, 2014 Yet we won Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 11 January, 2014 Share Posted 11 January, 2014 Keep wumming away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 11 January, 2014 Share Posted 11 January, 2014 Keep wumming away. Who is being a WUM. Seems to me that there is a reasonable debate going on here. Whats up with you ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Latheal Posted 11 January, 2014 Share Posted 11 January, 2014 Agree with GS. Far too slow in final 3, needed creativity which Gaston provided, so far play to Poch. Looked more of a threat with Jay, Lallana and Gaston running at them. We seemed to move the ball quicker when he came on as well. WBA came to snatch a point. I do feel we struggle to break down teams who come and park the bus. We rely far too much on Lallana who needs help in these situations. The crossing was woefully poor from both Clyne and Shaw as well. Would love for Shaw to go at his man more, he's obviously got that in his locker. Difficult game, great 3 points but I feel Lambert's threat is ebbing away just by how he's being asked to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 11 January, 2014 Share Posted 11 January, 2014 Would love for Shaw to go at his man more, he's obviously got that in his locker. It does slightly baffle me as to why both Shaw and Clyne rarely take on the opposition full backs down the flanks. They almost always resort to a backwards or sideways pass when they reach the opposition defenders. Maybe there's a statistic out there that reveals that, more often than not, taking on a defender gets you nowhere and by keeping possession the move is more likely to be successful in due course. Dunno. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suhari Posted 11 January, 2014 Share Posted 11 January, 2014 Agree with GS. Far too slow in final 3, needed creativity which Gaston provided, so far play to Poch. Looked more of a threat with Jay, Lallana and Gaston running at them. We seemed to move the ball quicker when he came on as well. WBA came to snatch a point. I do feel we struggle to break down teams who come and park the bus. We rely far too much on Lallana who needs help in these situations. The crossing was woefully poor from both Clyne and Shaw as well. Would love for Shaw to go at his man more, he's obviously got that in his locker. Difficult game, great 3 points but I feel Lambert's threat is ebbing away just by how he's being asked to play. Exactly. We fall into a habit of moving the ball too slowly in the final third; plus our strikers not penetrating the line, and no one to exploit it even if they do. Ossie and Gaston will address this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 11 January, 2014 Share Posted 11 January, 2014 It's the same everywhere in the PL, all coaches assume a successful side must be built on solid defensive foundations and we have followed that model under Pochettino. What it means unfortunately is that 6 of the team are committed fully to defensive duties and the other two midfielders are looking to drop back in support. How often do you see our so-called attacking midfielders passing back during a forward movement and breaking our momentum and allowing the opposition to get back in numbers rather then push on. The reason seems to be if they push on there will be a disconnect in midfield that the opposition can exploit. The defensive system requires the whole team to push forward together to reduce the effects of this disconnect but then they are vulnerable to the quick break and conceding silly goals, which often happens with us but not only us as you see it happen week after week. The attacking midfielders have to get the ball to feet in the 18 years area for the forwards to have any chance but it is not often that they do that as they are not pushing on with the momentum of the attack. On the rare occasions when they do it might be out of sheer frustration and momentarily forget what the coaches have instructed them to do and rely on their football in instinct. I think we will see more and more of this if it gets results as coaches can't afford to lose many matches before they are under pressure. Boring, boring Arsenal won a league winning 1-0 but I'll bet the fans weren't too happy about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 11 January, 2014 Share Posted 11 January, 2014 Forwards have to drop too deep to get the ball We are to slow in the final 3rd 35 yards from goal we have no imagination One decent shot on target all day today Corners poor for long time Free kicks poor Lambert touched ball twice in WBA area all game Jay Rod touched ball once in WBA area all game We just seem to lack any real imagination or aggression in the final 3rd Yo, Glasgow. Just watched highlights and saw Lambert touched the ball 3 times in the area just in those. You making sh!t up again fella? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 12 January, 2014 Author Share Posted 12 January, 2014 Yo, Glasgow. Just watched highlights and saw Lambert touched the ball 3 times in the area just in those. You making sh!t up again fella? Youre right Simon.... I am happy to admit when i was wrong. I watched the full 90 again earlier Simon and he touches the ball twice on the 18 yard line and twice in area. Happy to admit when im wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 12 January, 2014 Share Posted 12 January, 2014 Youre right Simon.... I am happy to admit when i was wrong. I watched the full 90 again earlier Simon and he touches the ball twice on the 18 yard line and twice in area. Happy to admit when im wrong. How were you able to watch the full 90 again? Still waiting for this list of managers win percentage as well. You're being pwnd on this site at the moment so it is in your interests to produce things that stop making you look like a liar... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Tony Posted 12 January, 2014 Share Posted 12 January, 2014 When we have Cork, Schneiderlin and Davis playing, theres not enough of a goal threat for me. A lot of the time we play like Arsenal, looking to fashion a chance whilst playing around the edge of the box. We really need a midfielder who can weigh in with more goals and who will take pot shots from outside the box Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamesaint Posted 12 January, 2014 Share Posted 12 January, 2014 Corners poor for long time QUOTE] I wonder what you mean "for a long time". It was from a corner at Anfield that we obtained our win. Is that too far ago ? Oh well, how about the point we gained at Old Trafford which came from a corner. Still too far ?? How about Ricky's goalat Cardiff on Boxing Day ?? I don't suppose youlet facts ruin a good wind up ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vince Posted 12 January, 2014 Share Posted 12 January, 2014 This will shown you who touched what when (oooh errr...) http://www.fourfourtwo.com/statszone/8-2013/matches/695108/player-stats#tabs-wrapper-anchor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 12 January, 2014 Author Share Posted 12 January, 2014 This will shown you who touched what when (oooh errr...) http://www.fourfourtwo.com/statszone/8-2013/matches/695108/player-stats#tabs-wrapper-anchor Thank you Vince, I appreciate that. Decent site that. Wonder if those accusing me of lying will now apologise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 12 January, 2014 Share Posted 12 January, 2014 Thank you Vince, I appreciate that. Decent site that. Wonder if those accusing me of lying will now apologise? It shows 4 X touches by Lambert in the area. I expect an apology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 12 January, 2014 Author Share Posted 12 January, 2014 It shows 4 X touches by Lambert in the area. I expect an apology. See post 31 mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 12 January, 2014 Share Posted 12 January, 2014 See post 31 mate You apologised to Simon, not to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 22 February, 2014 Author Share Posted 22 February, 2014 Lacking again today..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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