Saint-Armstrong Posted 27 August, 2014 Share Posted 27 August, 2014 Suzanne Geldard of the Lancashire Telegraph is reporting that Jos Hooiveld is wanted by Burnley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wadesmith Posted 27 August, 2014 Share Posted 27 August, 2014 If this isn't true I will be fuming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toon Saint Posted 27 August, 2014 Share Posted 27 August, 2014 But who will sort our new signings out with phones and cars? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric The Red Posted 27 August, 2014 Share Posted 27 August, 2014 LOL Only 2 more relegation places to be decided then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 27 August, 2014 Share Posted 27 August, 2014 (edited) If he goes it suggests another centre back coming in, or Koeman thinks Stephens is ready to be 4th choice. Burnley really have shown a lack of ambition with their incomings, Hooiveld would be another signing seemingly preparing for life in the Championship next season. Edited 27 August, 2014 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 27 August, 2014 Share Posted 27 August, 2014 Straight swap for Ings i expect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 27 August, 2014 Share Posted 27 August, 2014 Not sure what their strategy is this summer. Rubbish buys galore. Jos is a great lad though, will be a miss in the dressing room if he goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 27 August, 2014 Share Posted 27 August, 2014 Straight swap for Ings i expect This is how the Spurs fans feel with their pursuit of Schneiderlin and ours of Townsend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JxgrSaint Posted 27 August, 2014 Share Posted 27 August, 2014 Bye Bye Burnley... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 27 August, 2014 Share Posted 27 August, 2014 Probably a good deal for all concerned. Worth bearing in mind that while Hooiveld isn't the best, he was a first team regular in 2012/13 and we stayed up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 27 August, 2014 Share Posted 27 August, 2014 Hilarious, what are they doing to themselves? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 27 August, 2014 Share Posted 27 August, 2014 One other thing - finally, 7 years on, our revenge for Wayne Thomas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 27 August, 2014 Share Posted 27 August, 2014 One other thing - finally' date=' 7 years on, our revenge for Wayne Thomas.[/quote'] Ha ha! - Brilliant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Abroad Posted 27 August, 2014 Share Posted 27 August, 2014 Only if the sales contract stipulates that he shall play for Burnley in all games against Southampton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 27 August, 2014 Share Posted 27 August, 2014 Worth bearing in mind that while Hooiveld isn't the best, he was a first team regular in 2012/13 and we stayed up. It was with Fonte and Yoshida we stayed up in that season, Hooiveld was out of his depth. He has never risen above Championship level. He's a great character and important part of the promotion season, but Saints progressed beyond Hooiveld. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsr-burnley Posted 27 August, 2014 Share Posted 27 August, 2014 Without having seen him play, I know he's better than Wayne Thomas. What are Burnley doing? Trying to sign players who will improve the team and getting knocked back on fees, wages, or outbid - that's one. And strengthening the squad in areas where we don't have any strength in depth - that's two. We've only got three proper centre backs, and one of them hasn't been a first team player since he went on loan to Accrington Stanley, so we need cover. I think that's where Hooivled would fit in. And as he probably thinks he can force either Shackell or Duff (the mighty, but elderly, Duff has actually looked more comfortable than Shackell in limited play so far) out of the team, then hopefully this at least is a transfer we can make stick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 27 August, 2014 Share Posted 27 August, 2014 Without having seen him play, I know he's better than Wayne Thomas. What are Burnley doing? Trying to sign players who will improve the team and getting knocked back on fees, wages, or outbid - that's one. And strengthening the squad in areas where we don't have any strength in depth - that's two. We've only got three proper centre backs, and one of them hasn't been a first team player since he went on loan to Accrington Stanley, so we need cover. I think that's where Hooivled would fit in. And as he probably thinks he can force either Shackell or Duff (the mighty, but elderly, Duff has actually looked more comfortable than Shackell in limited play so far) out of the team, then hopefully this at least is a transfer we can make stick. The only problem is that he's not a Premiership player, he is truly out of his depth at this level. He's a great lad, a great personality to have around the place, but he's so out of his depth in the premiership. I kind of felt sorry for him at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berkshire Saint Posted 27 August, 2014 Share Posted 27 August, 2014 It was with Fonte and Yoshida we stayed up in that season, Hooiveld was out of his depth. He has never risen above Championship level. He's a great character and important part of the promotion season, but Saints progressed beyond Hooiveld. Fonte missed a couple of months that season and Hooiveld stepped in and did okay. Had a really good game against Man City I seem to remember. By the end of that season he was keeping Yoshida out of the side. Granted, he wasn't great in his few appearances last season! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat from Poole Posted 27 August, 2014 Share Posted 27 August, 2014 Burnley have signed a core of players with decent Premiership experience, who are good characters and will not upset the strong team ethic that got them promotion. It's extremely sensible management. Bit surprised that Matthew Le God is critical of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 27 August, 2014 Share Posted 27 August, 2014 It was with Fonte and Yoshida we stayed up in that season, Hooiveld was out of his depth. He has never risen above Championship level. He's a great character and important part of the promotion season, but Saints progressed beyond Hooiveld. He played 28 games in our first season back in the premier league, including games which we won against Chelsea, Liverpool and Man City, as well as keeping clean sheets in important games such as Everton, villa, Reading and Swansea. http://www.soccerbase.com/players/player.sd?player_id=53176&season_id=142 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 27 August, 2014 Share Posted 27 August, 2014 Fonte missed a couple of months that season and Hooiveld stepped in and did okay. Had a really good game against Man City I seem to remember. By the end of that season he was keeping Yoshida out of the side. Granted, he wasn't great in his few appearances last season! You forget he scores in midweek St Mary's games as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 27 August, 2014 Share Posted 27 August, 2014 He played 28 games in our first season back in the premier league, including games which we won against Chelsea, Liverpool and Man City, as well as keeping clean sheets in important games such as Everton, villa, Reading and Swansea. http://www.soccerbase.com/players/player.sd?player_id=53176&season_id=142 Was about to say the same thing. Schoolboy error(s) by Mr Wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 27 August, 2014 Share Posted 27 August, 2014 Was about to say the same thing. Schoolboy error(s) by Mr Wrong. Has Turkish still not realised I've had him on ignore for roughly the last 15 months? Is he really that slow to cotton on? Its only you quoting him that allows me to see it. As you think the same thing, I'll say it to you, he was found out in a lot of games at Premier League level - pretty much every game (even those in which we kept clean sheets). Are you suggesting he is a competent Premier League level defender then? Would you be happy to see him play a lot for us again? Do you not think he is slow, lacks positional sense at a high level, weak in the air, a poor passer and is uncomfortable on the ball at Premier League level? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 27 August, 2014 Share Posted 27 August, 2014 It was with Fonte and Yoshida we stayed up in that season, Hooiveld was out of his depth. He has never risen above Championship level. He's a great character and important part of the promotion season, but Saints progressed beyond Hooiveld. You've had a nightmare night mate quit trying so hard to correct people On Jos, i think he simply needs regular football to be a success. When he was a regular for us he did great, when he wasnt he didnt. Simples Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 27 August, 2014 Share Posted 27 August, 2014 It was with Fonte and Yoshida we stayed up in that season, Hooiveld was out of his depth. He has never risen above Championship level. He's a great character and important part of the promotion season, but Saints progressed beyond Hooiveld. Hooiveld played when we beat City 3-1 no? Just quadruple checking as I'm not sure your word can be trusted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 27 August, 2014 Share Posted 27 August, 2014 You've had a nightmare night mate quit trying so hard to correct people On Jos, i think he simply needs regular football to be a success. When he was a regular for us he did great, when he wasnt he didnt. Simples I'll refer you to the second half of post #23. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 27 August, 2014 Share Posted 27 August, 2014 I think I can see where this thread is going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cellone Posted 27 August, 2014 Share Posted 27 August, 2014 As long as he doesn't have Fox to his left I think Jos would do well. It seemed to me the most of their cock ups were due to both being stood in the same place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 27 August, 2014 Share Posted 27 August, 2014 Hooiveld played when we beat City 3-1 no? So what? That doesn't mean he had a good game. He was found out in a lot of games at Premier League level - pretty much every game (even those in which we kept clean sheets). Are you suggesting he is a competent Premier League level defender then? Would you be happy to see him play a lot for us again? Do you not think he is slow, lacks positional sense at a high level, weak in the air, a poor passer and is uncomfortable on the ball at Premier League level? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 27 August, 2014 Share Posted 27 August, 2014 So what? That doesn't mean he had a good game. He was found out in a lot of games at Premier League level - pretty much every game (even those in which we kept clean sheets). Are you suggesting he is a competent Premier League level defender then? Would you be happy to see him play a lot for us again? Do you not think he is slow, lacks positional sense at a high level, weak in the air, a poor passer and is uncomfortable on the ball at Premier League level? You get so precious when you get challenged, chill out, take a holiday or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 27 August, 2014 Share Posted 27 August, 2014 I'll refer you to the second half of post #23. And ill refer you to post #24 Like i said, if he plays regularly if he doesnt Youve been owned tonight mate, get an early night and come back fighting tomorrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 27 August, 2014 Share Posted 27 August, 2014 Has Turkish still not realised I've had him on ignore for roughly the last 15 months? Is he really that slow to cotton on? Its only you quoting him that allows me to see it. As you think the same thing, I'll say it to you, he was found out in a lot of games at Premier League level - pretty much every game (even those in which we kept clean sheets). Are you suggesting he is a competent Premier League level defender then? Would you be happy to see him play a lot for us again? Do you not think he is slow, lacks positional sense at a high level, weak in the air, a poor passer and is uncomfortable on the ball at Premier League level? Oh i know and I knew someone would quote it Mr wrong. You said we stayed up due to Yoshida and Fonte. Jos played in over half our games. You are wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 27 August, 2014 Share Posted 27 August, 2014 As long as he doesn't have Fox to his left I think Jos would do well. It seemed to me the most of their cock ups were due to both being stood in the same place. Almost right, most of their cock ups were due to both being stood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 27 August, 2014 Share Posted 27 August, 2014 Has Turkish still not realised I've had him on ignore for roughly the last 15 months? Is he really that slow to cotton on? Its only you quoting him that allows me to see it. As you think the same thing, I'll say it to you, he was found out in a lot of games at Premier League level - pretty much every game (even those in which we kept clean sheets). Are you suggesting he is a competent Premier League level defender then? Would you be happy to see him play a lot for us again? Do you not think he is slow, lacks positional sense at a high level, weak in the air, a poor passer and is uncomfortable on the ball at Premier League level? Agree he's out of his depth, though as a factual statement it's simply wrong to say he wasn't involved in us staying up. He's always good for an error but mistakes are often due to rushes of blood to the head rather than persistent poor play. It didn't help that for long stretches that he and Fox played on the same side; unsurprisingly, he was much more confident when Shaw was around (his performance last season at the Emirates was pretty decent IIRC). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 27 August, 2014 Share Posted 27 August, 2014 He'll get a few goals for them. That's for sure. Good work btw MLG. Back to school next week. You can correct the hell out of some year 7s and get it all out of your system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 27 August, 2014 Share Posted 27 August, 2014 I like Hooiveld, comes across a decent lad, no as bad a player as people make out either. Good luck to him regardless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 27 August, 2014 Share Posted 27 August, 2014 (edited) Agree he's out of his depth, though as a factual statement it's simply wrong to say he wasn't involved in us staying up. At no point did I say he didn't play a significant number of games, what I said is that he was out of his depth in the Premier League. I think we stayed up in 2012/13 despite him playing, rather than because he did. He was the weaklink whenever he played in the Premier League and was someone opponents would look to exploit, even in games we won and/or kept clean sheets. At Championship level his defienciencies can be glossed over and he showed himself to be effective in our promotion campaign. The Premier League is a different matter and he is a signicant weakling that makes extra work for his team-mates to cover his lack of pace, positional awareness and distribution errors. Edited 27 August, 2014 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toon Saint Posted 27 August, 2014 Share Posted 27 August, 2014 he is a signicant weakling Alright, tough guy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 27 August, 2014 Share Posted 27 August, 2014 It was with Fonte and Yoshida we stayed up in that season, Hooiveld was out of his depth. He has never risen above Championship level. He's a great character and important part of the promotion season, but Saints progressed beyond Hooiveld. At no point did I say he didn't play a significant number of games, what I said is that he was out of his depth in the Premier League. I think we stayed up in 2012/13 despite him playing, rather than because he did. He was the weaklink whenever he played in the Premier League and was someone opponents would look to exploit, even in games we won and/or kept clean sheets. At Championship level his defienciencies can be glossed over and he showed himself to be effective in our promotion campaign. The Premier League is a different matter and he is a signicant weakling that makes extra work for his team-mates to cover his lack of pace, positional awareness and distribution errors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 27 August, 2014 Share Posted 27 August, 2014 Oh i know and I knew someone would quote it Mr wrong. You said we stayed up due to Yoshida and Fonte. Jos played in over half our games. You are wrong. Quoted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 27 August, 2014 Share Posted 27 August, 2014 (edited) Oh **** it. Turkish is off ignore for the first time in 15 months. I've read his last post. Those two posts he quoted of mine do NOT contradict each other. I think we stayed up in 2012/13 despite Hooiveld playing, rather than because he did. He was the weaklink whenever he played in the Premier League and was someone opponents would look to exploit, even in games we won and/or kept clean sheets. Edited 27 August, 2014 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggles31 Posted 27 August, 2014 Share Posted 27 August, 2014 If he goes there they will break the lowest points PL record. Great Championship player. Hideous Premierleague player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donatello Posted 27 August, 2014 Share Posted 27 August, 2014 I think I can see where this thread is going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreeSixty Posted 27 August, 2014 Share Posted 27 August, 2014 Would be a massive loss to the dressing room and squad harmony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toon Saint Posted 27 August, 2014 Share Posted 27 August, 2014 Would be a massive loss to the dressing room and squad harmony Carphone warehouse in Southampton are said to be devastated with the news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlakeySFC Posted 27 August, 2014 Share Posted 27 August, 2014 I'd drive him up there myself, nice chap but not a PL player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redslo Posted 27 August, 2014 Share Posted 27 August, 2014 Can we all just agree that he is not a premier league caliber player in Football Manager? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 27 August, 2014 Share Posted 27 August, 2014 Can we all just agree that he is not a premier league caliber player in Football Manager? Only if you start spelling "calibre" correctly. You've been in America too long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tedmaul Posted 27 August, 2014 Share Posted 27 August, 2014 Matthew Le Wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tedmaul Posted 27 August, 2014 Share Posted 27 August, 2014 Oh **** it. Turkish is off ignore for the first time in 15 months. I've read his last post. Those two posts he quoted of mine do NOT contradict each other. I think we stayed up in 2012/13 despite Hooiveld playing, rather than because he did. He was the weaklink whenever he played in the Premier League and was someone opponents would look to exploit, even in games we won and/or kept clean sheets. You do see the irony that you take pleasure correcting all and sundry, relentlessly and annoyingly all the time. That if you slip up ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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