Bearsy Posted 23 December, 2014 Share Posted 23 December, 2014 Would you say that about children who have died of preventable illnesses that science has allowed us to cure, but whose parents have decided to not take them to hospital and pray for them instead? A false hope in prayer is harmful. For example... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1203791/Father-prayed-taking-diabetic-daughter-11-hospital-faces-jail.html That is not an isolated case. ARE YOU SUGGESTING that the Kick It Out bros should attempt open heart surgery? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 23 December, 2014 Share Posted 23 December, 2014 Come on MLG! Just say sorry for appearing to be insensitive and move on. What have I said that is insensitive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goatboy Posted 23 December, 2014 Share Posted 23 December, 2014 What have I said that is insensitive? Appearing to be insensitive, ie berating a perceived, significant religious bias in the Kick it out campaign rather than offering any sort of concern or sympathy for the injured parties. Whether you are right or wrong about the kick it out campaign, you appear to be insensitive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 23 December, 2014 Share Posted 23 December, 2014 Would you say that about children who have died of preventable illnesses that science has allowed us to cure, but whose parents have decided to not take them to hospital and pray for them instead? A false hope in prayer is harmful. For example... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1203791/Father-prayed-taking-diabetic-daughter-11-hospital-faces-jail.html That is not an isolated case. No its not, its there right to believe in whatever they want. You were banging on about equality a moment ago and now you are speaking out against those that choose to follow a religion. Showing your prejudice here isnt required MLG Bore off you moronic tit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SO16_Saint Posted 23 December, 2014 Share Posted 23 December, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 23 December, 2014 Share Posted 23 December, 2014 No its not, its there right to believe in whatever they want. You were banging on about equality a moment ago and now you are speaking out against those that choose to follow a religion. Showing your prejudice here isnt required MLG Bore off you moronic tit Not allowing your child medical treatment in order to pray for them instead is a form of child abuse. It is a believe in the power of prayer that people act in this way, so praying is harmful as it gives false hope. It is also criminal, especially if the child dies from a condition modern science can cure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goatboy Posted 23 December, 2014 Share Posted 23 December, 2014 Not allowing your child medical treatment in order to pray for them instead is a form of child abuse. It is a believe in the power of prayer that people act in this way, so praying is harmful as it gives false hope. It is also criminal, especially if the child dies from a condition modern science can cure. I pray you find the courage to admit when you have made an error of judgement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 23 December, 2014 Share Posted 23 December, 2014 Appearing to be insensitive, ie berating a perceived, significant religious bias in the Kick it out campaign rather than offering any sort of concern or sympathy for the injured parties. Whether you are right or wrong about the kick it out campaign, you appear to be insensitive. Post #18 Of course I hope he recovers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 23 December, 2014 Share Posted 23 December, 2014 Would you say that about children who have died of preventable illnesses that science has allowed us to cure, but whose parents have decided to not take them to hospital and pray for them instead? A false hope in prayer is harmful. For example... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1203791/Father-prayed-taking-diabetic-daughter-11-hospital-faces-jail.html That is not an isolated case. You have excelled yourself on this thread MLG and managed to position yourself as more of fu cking idiot than I already had you down as. How's your letter of complaint to Kick It Out coming along? Don't forget to share it with us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 23 December, 2014 Share Posted 23 December, 2014 I pray you find the courage to admit when you have made an error of judgement. Medical treatment would be more effective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goatboy Posted 23 December, 2014 Share Posted 23 December, 2014 Post #18 Come on MLG. That platitude came several posts after your berating of the KIO campaign and is as much of a throwaway phrase as 'our hopes and prayers...' Man up and admit you may have misjudged when to launch into an atheist rant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 23 December, 2014 Share Posted 23 December, 2014 You have excelled yourself on this thread MLG and managed to position yourself as more of fu cking idiot than I already had you down as. You ignored my rebuttal. What do you think of the man in the article? Do you consider it child abuse to prevent your child from proven to work medical treatment that would cure them because you want to pray to an unproven deity in the clouds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 23 December, 2014 Share Posted 23 December, 2014 Post #18 You are a robotic fool and you wonder why people despair of you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goatboy Posted 23 December, 2014 Share Posted 23 December, 2014 Medical treatment would be more effective. Trepanning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 23 December, 2014 Share Posted 23 December, 2014 Not allowing your child medical treatment in order to pray for them instead is a form of child abuse. It is a believe in the power of prayer that people act in this way, so praying is harmful as it gives false hope. It is also criminal, especially if the child dies from a condition modern science can cure. Im deeply athiest, but if you strongly believe in something thats your choice and who the **** am I or you to tell someone else what they should believe in The scary thing here is you are a ****ing teacher !! Jesus wept Why dont you admit you made an error of judgement in your opening post rather then trying to scew the arguement to suit your prejudiced agenda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 23 December, 2014 Share Posted 23 December, 2014 Would you say that about children who have died of preventable illnesses that science has allowed us to cure, but whose parents have decided to not take them to hospital and pray for them instead? A false hope in prayer is harmful. For example... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1203791/Father-prayed-taking-diabetic-daughter-11-hospital-faces-jail.html That is not an isolated case. I expect that case was at the front of kick it outs minds when they made their earlier statement. I think you should pull them up on this mlg, it's in the public interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 23 December, 2014 Share Posted 23 December, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 23 December, 2014 Share Posted 23 December, 2014 (edited) If you strongly believe in something thats your choice and who the **** am I or you to tell someone else what they should believe in Because preventing your child getting medical treatment that has been proven by science to work time after time and instead to pray for them when praying has never been demonstrated to work is a form of child abuse. That is why parents have been prosecuted for acting in such a way. What if a Christian strongly believes in this passage from the commandments... For anyone who curses his father or his mother shall surely be put to death; he has cursed his father or his mother; his blood is upon him. Leviticus 20:9 ...and then kills their child. Is that okay with you because they believe it strongly? Good people do good things, bad people do bad things; but to get a good person to do a bad thing it often takes religion. Edited 23 December, 2014 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 23 December, 2014 Share Posted 23 December, 2014 Jesus wept (apparently) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 23 December, 2014 Share Posted 23 December, 2014 Because preventing your child getting medical treatment that has been proven by science to work time after time and instead to pray for them when praying has never been demonstrated to work is a form of child abuse. That is why parents have been prosecuted for acting in such a way. What if a Christian strongly believes in this passage from the commandments... ...and then kills their child. Is that okay with you because they believe it strongly? This has got naff all to do with clarke carlisle has it ? Purely just you against religion I feel for your family Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 23 December, 2014 Share Posted 23 December, 2014 This has got naff all to do with clarke carlisle has it ? Purely just you against religion I feel for your family Any excuse to go off on a rant against religion. This isn't the first time and it's pretty sick to use something like this to push his agenda. I hope he doesn't have children. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 23 December, 2014 Share Posted 23 December, 2014 Any excuse to go off on a rant against religion. This isn't the first time and it's pretty sick to use something like this to push his agenda. I hope he doesn't have children. He is a teacher, thats bad enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 23 December, 2014 Share Posted 23 December, 2014 You ignored my rebuttal. What do you think of the man in the article? Do you consider it child abuse to prevent your child from proven to work medical treatment that would cure them because you want to pray to an unproven deity in the clouds? Can you point to where the Kick It Out campaign state that they feel Clark Carlisle requires no medical support and can be cured entirely through prayer? Show me the quote. Don't ever think you can give me a rebuttal you fu cking autistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 23 December, 2014 Share Posted 23 December, 2014 He is a teacher, thats bad enough Indeed. The thought of him imparting some of his views to the nation's youth is scary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Abroad Posted 23 December, 2014 Share Posted 23 December, 2014 Would you say that about children who have died of preventable illnesses that science has allowed us to cure, but whose parents have decided to not take them to hospital and pray for them instead? A false hope in prayer is harmful. For example... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1203791/Father-prayed-taking-diabetic-daughter-11-hospital-faces-jail.html That is not an isolated case. Woah MLG, let's take our foot of the pedal for a sec. No one said he shouldn't be taken to hospital. As an aside, those people were Pentecostals and an off shoot of Christianity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted 23 December, 2014 Share Posted 23 December, 2014 Good people do good things, bad people do bad things; but to get a good person to do a bad thing it often takes religion.[/font][/color] Did you have that in mind when you thought of your username and started posting horsesh!t of the forum? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goatboy Posted 23 December, 2014 Share Posted 23 December, 2014 Jeez, all this nonsense just to avoid admitting you may have posted in haste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 23 December, 2014 Share Posted 23 December, 2014 Jeez, all this nonsense just to avoid admitting you may have posted in haste. Yep. Universal condemnation of his idiocy but he will never admit it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 23 December, 2014 Share Posted 23 December, 2014 Lol forever. Now praying for him and his family is preventing a child treatment on medical grounds. Has anyone, anywhere suggested with holding treatment in favour of prayer? Nah, course not. Best double down that idiocy you backward moron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 23 December, 2014 Share Posted 23 December, 2014 For clarity, I'm referring specifically to Clark Carlisle. I'm sure 99% of people would understand that! but we are dealing with the 1% here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 23 December, 2014 Share Posted 23 December, 2014 MLG, let's get back to the basics. You said: Should an organisation that campaigns for equality be endorsing one religion over all the others/none? How is that equality? The Kick it Out campaign should be neutral when it comes to religion. Which is wrong. Kick It Out are not endorsing one religion over all the others. They offered 'thoughts and prayers' which is entirely non-specific to which religion or deity a person may pray to. All the rest since is pointless. You interpreted it hastily and your refusal to acknowledge that since is rapidly eliminating any remaining credibility you may have had. I've defended you in the past, but not on this one. You're wrong, plain and simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 23 December, 2014 Share Posted 23 December, 2014 I'm going to pray for Clarke just to spite mlg but I'm worried that little children may die if I do so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 23 December, 2014 Share Posted 23 December, 2014 Because preventing your child getting medical treatment that has been proven by science to work time after time and instead to pray for them when praying has never been demonstrated to work is a form of child abuse. That is why parents have been prosecuted for acting in such a way. What if a Christian strongly believes in this passage from the commandments... ...and then kills their child. Is that okay with you because they believe it strongly? Good people do good things, bad people do bad things; but to get a good person to do a bad thing it often takes religion. Never mind that the hospital Clarke is staying in was probably initially set up out of religious benevolence. Anyway, all beside the point. You well and truly shat the bed yet seem quite happy to lie in it. For someone so opposed to religion (more accurately, religious fundamentalism), you certainly don't lack in certainty and righteousness. What's your excuse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 23 December, 2014 Share Posted 23 December, 2014 MLG, let's get back to the basics. MLG wanted to take a cheap shot at KIO, and ended up declaring prayer as synonymous with child abuse. It's beautiful, really. His pupils could really learn something from all this, if only when to quit digging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Diamond Posted 23 December, 2014 Share Posted 23 December, 2014 Wow. He even ruins threads like these. Goes without saying I hope CC makes a full recovery as quickly as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 23 December, 2014 Share Posted 23 December, 2014 He will run off now, stay quiet for a few days and then pop up spouting some more rubbish. You watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Diamond Posted 23 December, 2014 Share Posted 23 December, 2014 He will run off now, stay quiet for a few days and then pop up spouting some more rubbish. You watch. I look forward to his return. Wherever there is someone who needs to know pointless information about a video game or training ground plans, there is but one man for the job... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 23 December, 2014 Author Share Posted 23 December, 2014 I don't think I have seen such universal disapproval and united opinion on here such as this. That may tell you something ml..GOD(you believed back then?) when even all those who naturally disagree with each other by default are united. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaysaint Posted 23 December, 2014 Share Posted 23 December, 2014 Would you say that about children who have died of preventable illnesses that science has allowed us to cure, but whose parents have decided to not take them to hospital and pray for them instead? A false hope in prayer is harmful. For example... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1203791/Father-prayed-taking-diabetic-daughter-11-hospital-faces-jail.html That is not an isolated case. i think you've really misunderstood a key point here. The idea is tolerance of all religions, not an attempt to silence them all equally. If somebody who is part of a group promoting religious tolerance can't express their own faith, who on Earth can? You are saying somebody saying they are praying should be made to stop. That is incredibly intolerant and oppressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 23 December, 2014 Share Posted 23 December, 2014 He strikes again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Ash Posted 23 December, 2014 Share Posted 23 December, 2014 To be fair to MLG he's turned this thread quite humorous, which might be in bad taste but Carlisle is not in life threatening injuries and even he's laugh at how someone can be such a dinlo. From wishing Carlisle all the best to prayers abusing children in about 50 odd posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 23 December, 2014 Author Share Posted 23 December, 2014 Alastair Campbell an atheist and someone who knows Clarke tweeted yesterday: Clarke always ends his text messages 'blessings.' If I did God like he does I would be praying hard tonight. Hope those who do do just that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingdomCome Posted 23 December, 2014 Share Posted 23 December, 2014 I'm atheist, my wife is religious. Our thoughts and prayers are with all those involved. I told her she can stick her prayers, that sort of thing is for child abusers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 23 December, 2014 Share Posted 23 December, 2014 I'm atheist, my wife is religious. Our thoughts and prayers are with all those involved. I told her she can stick her prayers, that sort of thing is for child abusers. Made me lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 23 December, 2014 Share Posted 23 December, 2014 [video=youtube_share;nvlTJrNJ5lA] Keep digging MLG! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Diamond Posted 23 December, 2014 Share Posted 23 December, 2014 I doubt we'll hear from him tonight, he's going to be very busy dealing with Elia's transfer on Football Manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 24 December, 2014 Share Posted 24 December, 2014 (edited) Anyone heard from mlg yet? Edited 24 December, 2014 by hypochondriac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goatboy Posted 24 December, 2014 Share Posted 24 December, 2014 Anyone heard for mlg yet? I'm praying he hasn't done anything silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 24 December, 2014 Share Posted 24 December, 2014 Paedo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plastic Posted 24 December, 2014 Share Posted 24 December, 2014 Is MLG unaware that this is a stock response to tragic incidents? Is he trying to make a hilarious observation regarding equality and political correctness? Who knows. I remember seeing CC interviewed on BBC breakfast some time ago, he struck me as the most articulate and intelligent ex-footballer/pundit I had ever heard, and I hope he makes a full recovery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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