whelk Posted 22 December, 2014 Share Posted 22 December, 2014 Seriously injured. Very sad http://t.co/uuZR9pcm7d and now confirmed as Clarke Carlisle. http://t.co/QnZ3EdrjL3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 22 December, 2014 Share Posted 22 December, 2014 Sad, hope he pulls through always seemed a decent guy. That road is not far from me and a notorious accident spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 22 December, 2014 Share Posted 22 December, 2014 Rumours he threw himself off a bridge. Really hope not. I must stress these are rumours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 22 December, 2014 Share Posted 22 December, 2014 Huge respect for the bloke, as someone's that's also had troubles with depression I personally found the work he has done really helpful and inspiring. Seems like an intelligent, honest and decent bloke. Really hope the bloke pulls through. Awful for his family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wurzel Posted 22 December, 2014 Share Posted 22 December, 2014 :-( One of football's genuine good guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 22 December, 2014 Author Share Posted 22 December, 2014 Huge respect for the bloke, as someone's that's also had troubles with depression I personally found the work he has done really helpful and inspiring. Seems like an intelligent, honest and decent bloke. Really hope the bloke pulls through. Awful for his family. Sounds a top fella. Someone tweeted his response to someone thank him for helping them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 22 December, 2014 Share Posted 22 December, 2014 That's not surprising to see really. Seems in keeping with the kind of bloke he comes across as. Thanks for sharing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 22 December, 2014 Share Posted 22 December, 2014 Merry bloody Xmas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 22 December, 2014 Share Posted 22 December, 2014 A great shame. I've always been impressed by his intelligence and demeanour. Let's all hope he makes a full recovery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 22 December, 2014 Share Posted 22 December, 2014 http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/30583740 Equality campaign body Kick It Out, for which he is an ambassador, tweeted: "The thoughts and prayers of everyone here are with Clarke and his family." Should an organisation that campaigns for equality be endorsing one religion over all the others/none? How is that equality? The Kick it Out campaign should be neutral when it comes to religion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 22 December, 2014 Author Share Posted 22 December, 2014 You're a troubled man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 22 December, 2014 Share Posted 22 December, 2014 (edited) Do you think an organisation that attempts to promote equality in football that Carlisle is an ambassador for should endorse one religion? Saying your thoughts are with someone, their friends and family is fine, but an equality organisation bringing prayer into it is a step too far and surely is against their ethos. Edited 22 December, 2014 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 22 December, 2014 Share Posted 22 December, 2014 Do you think an organisation that attempts to promote equality in football should endorse one religion? Saying your thoughts are with someone, their friends and family is fine, but an equality organisation bringing prayer into is a step too far and surely is against their ethos. My prayers are that you'll stfu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 22 December, 2014 Author Share Posted 22 December, 2014 I'm not entering into a debate with you. The fact that that is what you are picking up on when everyone else is shocked and wishing (btw I don't believe in fairy godmothers) him well and a full recovery says more about you I would suggest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 22 December, 2014 Share Posted 22 December, 2014 Do you think an organisation that attempts to promote equality in football should endorse one religion? Saying your thoughts are with someone, their friends and family is fine, but an equality organisation bringing prayer into is a step too far and surely is against their ethos. Which one religion are they endorsing? Are you p****d tonight or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 22 December, 2014 Share Posted 22 December, 2014 Which one religion are they endorsing? Are you p****d tonight or something? It doesn't matter which one it is, an equality promoting organisation like Kick it Out should remain completely neutral regarding endorsing any one religion over another (or none at all). Its not equality to have an organisation instituationally endorsing prayer, let alone one that campaigns for equality at its core. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 22 December, 2014 Share Posted 22 December, 2014 My prayers are that you'll stfu. Lucky for me then that there is no solid evidence of prayer ever working. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 22 December, 2014 Share Posted 22 December, 2014 I'm not entering into a debate with you. The fact that that is what you are picking up on when everyone else is shocked and wishing (btw I don't believe in fairy godmothers) him well and a full recovery says more about you I would suggest. Of course I hope he recovers, but although this isn't about Clarke Carlisle's situation I still think there it has some relevance considering he is an ambassador for the Kick it Out campaign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 23 December, 2014 Share Posted 23 December, 2014 Racial equality and religious equality are not the same thing. Kick it out is an organisation for racial equality. Most religions are made up of people from multiple races. Many different religions pray. You are wrong. Now shut the **** up, and be wrong elsewhere you utter ****ing cretin. For someone that focuses so absolute on minutae of detail, you get it wrong a whole ****ing lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 23 December, 2014 Share Posted 23 December, 2014 It doesn't matter which one it is, an equality promoting organisation like Kick it Out should remain completely neutral regarding endorsing any one religion over another (or none at all). Its not equality to have an organisation instituationally endorsing prayer, let alone one that campaigns for equality at its core. You said that they were endorsing one religion, which religion were they endorsing it? And how exactly were they endorsing it over one other religion or no religion at all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 23 December, 2014 Share Posted 23 December, 2014 (edited) Racial equality and religious equality are not the same thing. Kick it out is an organisation for racial equality. Most religions are made up of people from multiple races. Many different religions pray. You are wrong. Now shut the **** up, and be wrong elsewhere you utter ****ing cretin. For someone that focuses so absolute on minutae of detail, you get it wrong a whole ****ing lot. It is not me that is wrong here, you are. Kick it Out has an number of campaigns, not just regarding racism... - racism - sexism - faith in football - lesbians and gays in football http://www.kickitout.org/campaigning/faith-in-football/ The phrase "thoughts and prayers" has largely historical Christian cultural connotations in the UK. It is not neutral or something an equality organisation should use. Edited 23 December, 2014 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 23 December, 2014 Share Posted 23 December, 2014 Kick it out has an number of campaigns... - racism - sexism - faith in football - lesbians and gays in football http://www.kickitout.org/campaigning/faith-in-football/ The phrase "thoughts and prayers" has largely historical Christian cultural connotations. It is not neutral or something an equality organisation should use. It is you that is wrong, not me. You read that page you moron? It's about ending abuse on religious grounds, just a use of the word 'yid'. There's no claim of equality of religion, or a desire to express no religious view, which they are not actually expressing. Prayer is an integral part of many religions. Try harder. Actually don't, just go away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eesti matty Posted 23 December, 2014 Share Posted 23 December, 2014 I have to agree with others on here. Our thoughts, wishes anf prayers are all hoping Clarke Carlisle will pull through. I am not sure why people would nitpick and be critical of Kick It Out's well intentioned words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 23 December, 2014 Share Posted 23 December, 2014 I have to agree with others on here. Our thoughts, wishes anf prayers are all hoping Clarke Carlisle will pull through. I am not sure why people would nitpick and be critical of Kick It Out's well intentioned words. Well said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katalinic Posted 23 December, 2014 Share Posted 23 December, 2014 (edited) http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/30583740 Should an organisation that campaigns for equality be endorsing one religion over all the others/none? How is that equality? The Kick it Out campaign should be neutral when it comes to religion. A crass and unnecessary post in the context of the purpose of this thread. Best wishes to Clarke Carlisle. Edited 23 December, 2014 by Katalinic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint si Posted 23 December, 2014 Share Posted 23 December, 2014 MLG you sometimes get a tough time on the main board, but to be fair you've had a 'mare here. BBC says injuries are not life threatening which is something at least. Seems like the guy has been (and will continue to be) a really positive influence on the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 23 December, 2014 Share Posted 23 December, 2014 Lucky for me then that there is no solid evidence of prayer ever working. You seem to be confusing prayer with asking a genie for three wishes. Prayer can be a huge comfort for people and a chance for reflection and to give thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LVSaint Posted 23 December, 2014 Share Posted 23 December, 2014 It doesn't matter which one it is, an equality promoting organisation like Kick it Out should remain completely neutral regarding endorsing any one religion over another (or none at all). Its not equality to have an organisation instituationally endorsing prayer, let alone one that campaigns for equality at its core. Jesus Christ........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 23 December, 2014 Share Posted 23 December, 2014 http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/30583740 Should an organisation that campaigns for equality be endorsing one religion over all the others/none? How is that equality? The Kick it Out campaign should be neutral when it comes to religion. Why don't you tweet them to express your outrage? Have they no shame? We can't have these organisations getting away with things like this,its a disgrace that their thoughts are with Clarke Carlise and his family, even more vulgar that those that pray might include him in their prayers. These people really are hypocritical scum and we need you to tell them to their social media face how disgusting their behaviour is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SO16_Saint Posted 23 December, 2014 Share Posted 23 December, 2014 http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/30583740 Should an organisation that campaigns for equality be endorsing one religion over all the others/none? How is that equality? The Kick it Out campaign should be neutral when it comes to religion. Pray for Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iansums Posted 23 December, 2014 Share Posted 23 December, 2014 I would assume that 'thoughts' would be for those that like me are atheists and that 'prayers' would be for those that believe in God (whichever one). So pretty much an all encompassing, non-controversial statement, unless of course you are MLG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SO16_Saint Posted 23 December, 2014 Share Posted 23 December, 2014 Do you think an organisation that attempts to promote equality in football that Carlisle is an ambassador for should endorse one religion? Saying your thoughts are with someone, their friends and family is fine, but an equality organisation bringing prayer into it is a step too far and surely is against their ethos. Kick it out are followed by 39,600 people. The tweet has been favourited by 217 people and retweeted by 465 people, The message has been seen by probably something in excess of 1 million people, and I can imagine that 999,999 people didnt even bat an eyelid to that simple and honest throw away comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SO16_Saint Posted 23 December, 2014 Share Posted 23 December, 2014 I would assume that 'thoughts' would be for those that like me are atheists and that 'prayers' would be for those that believe in God (whichever one). So pretty much an all encompassing, non-controversial statement, unless of course you are MLG. exactly that. I dont 'believe' but i'm not outraged at that message. MLG's message, yes, but Kick It Out's - no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted 23 December, 2014 Share Posted 23 December, 2014 http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/30583740 Should an organisation that campaigns for equality be endorsing one religion over all the others/none? How is that equality? The Kick it Out campaign should be neutral when it comes to religion. What the hell is wrong with you? You're a proper weirdo. Have some respect and rather than posting on here like a complete tool about something irrelevant, just post some best wishes and then go away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 23 December, 2014 Share Posted 23 December, 2014 The BBC this morning reported that his injuries are not 'life-threatening'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 23 December, 2014 Share Posted 23 December, 2014 It is not me that is wrong here, you are. Kick it Out has an number of campaigns, not just regarding racism... - racism - sexism - faith in football - lesbians and gays in football http://www.kickitout.org/campaigning/faith-in-football/ The phrase "thoughts and prayers" has largely historical Christian cultural connotations in the UK. It is not neutral or something an equality organisation should use. STFU you utter cuunt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Ash Posted 23 December, 2014 Share Posted 23 December, 2014 Shame, saw him on 8 out of 10 cats Countdown last week. I've always liked him. Could be a large bout of depression kicking in and luckily it hasn't ended his life, hopefully he'll get through it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 23 December, 2014 Share Posted 23 December, 2014 MLG - I don't understand why you chose a thread expressing sympathy to nit pick. I can only put it down to you posting something a bit crass in error, and then true to form, not being able to let it lie when called on it. What ever the reason - stop. You are making yourself look stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimond Geezer Posted 23 December, 2014 Share Posted 23 December, 2014 That's terribly sad news, pleased to hear that he's likely to recover & hope it was an accident rather than bought on by depression. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 23 December, 2014 Share Posted 23 December, 2014 That's terribly sad news, pleased to hear that he's likely to recover & hope it was an accident rather than bought on by depression. Either way I also feel bad for the lorry driver RIP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 23 December, 2014 Share Posted 23 December, 2014 MLG being an utter helmet I hope Clarke is alright. I like him and generally listen to what he has to say Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwig Posted 23 December, 2014 Share Posted 23 December, 2014 "prayers" (the term and the act) is non-denominational. Take a long hard look at yourself if you saw that and decided this was an issue with which to pick a fight on the internet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 23 December, 2014 Share Posted 23 December, 2014 http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/30583740 Should an organisation that campaigns for equality be endorsing one religion over all the others/none? How is that equality? The Kick it Out campaign should be neutral when it comes to religion. Is this really necessary ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 23 December, 2014 Share Posted 23 December, 2014 I hope MLG is alright. I like him and generally listen to what he has to say Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 23 December, 2014 Share Posted 23 December, 2014 I hope Bearsy is alright. He's generally offensive and funny and occasionally a knob, not sympathetic like this. #prayforbearsy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 23 December, 2014 Share Posted 23 December, 2014 Suddenly turning Nice in the week before Christmas, is a policy I formed in childhood. That fat **** Santa Claus, he falls for it every year! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goatboy Posted 23 December, 2014 Share Posted 23 December, 2014 Suddenly turning Nice in the week before Christmas, is a policy I formed in childhood. That fat **** Santa Claus, he falls for it every year! Muppet Show Awards coming up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 23 December, 2014 Share Posted 23 December, 2014 (edited) You seem to be confusing prayer with asking a genie for three wishes. Prayer can be a huge comfort for people and a chance for reflection and to give thanks. Would you say that about children who have died of preventable illnesses that science has allowed us to cure, but whose parents have decided to not take them to hospital and pray for them instead? A false hope in prayer is harmful. For example... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1203791/Father-prayed-taking-diabetic-daughter-11-hospital-faces-jail.html That is not an isolated case. Edited 23 December, 2014 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goatboy Posted 23 December, 2014 Share Posted 23 December, 2014 Would you say that about children who have died of preventable illnesses that science has allowed us to cure, but whose parents have decided to not take them to hospital and pray for them instead? A false hope in prayer is harmful. Come on MLG! Just say sorry for appearing to be insensitive and move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 23 December, 2014 Share Posted 23 December, 2014 Muppet Show Awards coming up? Was you around for last year's awards? It turned into a bit of a cluster-**** http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?48098-Voting-Now-Open-Saintsweb-Awards-2013#.VJldJsgAA Edit: RIP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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