saint lard Posted 31 December, 2008 Share Posted 31 December, 2008 http://www.clubfanzine.com/southampton/v2.showNews.php?id=16997 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 31 December, 2008 Share Posted 31 December, 2008 not bad. but nothing we didn't already know, were up sheite creek without a paddle and the boat has a hole in it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 31 December, 2008 Share Posted 31 December, 2008 (edited) A better article from Illingworth than normal. But still far too supportive of Lowe for my liking. On the one hand he corals the fans by saying we need to get rid of the lot of them (board) - agreed 100% - then in the next breadth he asks for Lowe to have some time... mmmmmm .... being objective Nick or still enjoying being coverted by the plc board? I lost my faith in Nick a while ago. Says one thing to win over the fans - but became too close to the plc masters to be fully trusted for me a long time ago. I'd need to read something less on the fence before I can offer him any support. Read this Nick - that is less on the fence, demonstrates some courage and is a closer summary of the truth: http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/4010892.The_biggest_month_of_all_for_Saints/ Lowe and Wilde need to sell up and go asp. Edited 31 December, 2008 by SaintRobbie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 31 December, 2008 Share Posted 31 December, 2008 A better article from Illingworth than normal. But still far too supportive of Lowe for my liking. Perhaps you should have read it a bit better then. There's very little "support" for Lowe in there aside from (paraphrased) "he's there, he has the support of enough shares to remain there for now, so unless we want to see the club go under, there's no point in embarking on countless nose-spite-face crusades". On the one hand he corals the fans by saying we need to get rid of the lot of them (board) - agreed 100% - then in the next breadth he asks for Lowe to have some time... mmmmmm .... being objective Nick or still enjoying being coverted by the plc board? See above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 31 December, 2008 Share Posted 31 December, 2008 Perhaps you should have read it a bit better then. There's very little "support" for Lowe in there aside from (paraphrased) "he's there, he has the support of enough shares to remain there for now, so unless we want to see the club go under, there's no point in embarking on countless nose-spite-face crusades". See above. Perhaps you're right Steve, or perhaps he needs to make himself a little clearer. But I still read it that he is content to support Lowe for now... i.e. we should shut up and get on with Lowe's leadership... sorry old friend but that's suicide. I could tolerate a little more Lowe/Wilde if they declared the club was for sale and they pledged to search for a buyer, them demonstrated clear evidence that it wasnt another bluff old smoke screen... but they arent likely to are they? The Echo have the best summary thus far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 31 December, 2008 Share Posted 31 December, 2008 Illingsworth is as irrelevent as the Saints Trust. The moment he sucked up to Lowe he lost most of his credibility with fans. His takeover article the other month was priceless too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowballs2 Posted 31 December, 2008 Share Posted 31 December, 2008 Unfortunately until Nick actually comes out andb really tells it as it is, his and the trust credability will always be in doubt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
up and away Posted 31 December, 2008 Share Posted 31 December, 2008 Perhaps you should have read it a bit better then. There's very little "support" for Lowe in there aside from (paraphrased) "he's there, he has the support of enough shares to remain there for now, so unless we want to see the club go under, there's no point in embarking on countless nose-spite-face crusades". See above. Of everyone out there privy to inside information over the years, I feel Nick has been the most balanced and responsible of anyone. Just look back over his analysis and it has been pretty much spot on. The one thing I am not so sure about is fans on the board and believe that is one of the major factors in where we are now. I am sure there are fans that can still function rationally when elevated to this position, but have seen no evidence from any that have graced the board room so far. Again the message has to be, do what is best for Saints instead of getting embroiled in petty squabbles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marsdinho Posted 31 December, 2008 Share Posted 31 December, 2008 (edited) "Of course Rupert Lowe is not exactly uniting the fans, but as we enter a vital period of the season, we have to accept that he is in charge and allow him to try and turn the club round, maybe he will and maybe he wont, but if the clubs fans and past and present directors continue to bicker then its virtually guaranteeing that he wont." Come on Nick, as if the bickering amongst the Saints fans has any effect on Lowe. A conflict of two different opinions on an internet forum is hardly going to have any bearing on Lowes / Wildes decision making. Edited 31 December, 2008 by Marsdinho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 31 December, 2008 Share Posted 31 December, 2008 "Of course Rupert Lowe is not exactly uniting the fans, but as we enter a vital period of the season, we have to accept that he is in charge and allow him to try and turn the club round, maybe he will and maybe he wont, but if the clubs fans and past and present directors continue to bicker then its virtually guaranteeing that he wont." Come on Nick, as if the bickering amongst the Saints fans has any effect on Lowe. A conflict of two different opinions on an internet forum is hardly going to have any bearing on Lowes / Wildes decision making. True. But you know what? I dont think the fans are bickering to the same extent as we see on this messageboard. I think almost everyone associates Lowe with failure and still does given the current evidence. I think the fans are as united as they have been for sometime. What's more, now that the media have taken up reflecting this public opinion we can expect a crusade - and the national media will no doubt follow. Times up for Lowe IMHO. Time for optimism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 31 December, 2008 Share Posted 31 December, 2008 not bad. but nothing we didn't already know, were up sheite creek without a paddle and the boat has a hole in it! we have a boat??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 31 December, 2008 Share Posted 31 December, 2008 The fanbase was pretty much united in wanting to keep Nigel Pearson, and look where that got us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 31 December, 2008 Share Posted 31 December, 2008 'Supporters have to take a look at the club' - same old platitudes from NI. Our fault again. He is up Lowe's backside. The Uglies of old would have been campaigning for Lowe's removal the minute he came back and sacked Pearson. Unfortunately, Nick, for some reason, sees himself as a bit of a politician these days. Probably something to do with his position with the Trust. To be honest, I've no time for him. He's been had. I wonder what the old Uglies think of him now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 31 December, 2008 Share Posted 31 December, 2008 I thought he summed up the overall situation reasonably well. Pity someone didn't bother to check the Latin though - Annus Horribilis is the correct spelling for the jumped up title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fowllyd Posted 31 December, 2008 Share Posted 31 December, 2008 we have a boat??? Yes. It's a barbed-wire canoe... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 31 December, 2008 Share Posted 31 December, 2008 A better article from Illingworth than normal. But still far too supportive of Lowe for my liking. On the one hand he corals the fans by saying we need to get rid of the lot of them (board) - agreed 100% - then in the next breadth he asks for Lowe to have some time... mmmmmm .... being objective Nick or still enjoying being coverted by the plc board? I lost my faith in Nick a while ago. Says one thing to win over the fans - but became too close to the plc masters to be fully trusted for me a long time ago. I'd need to read something less on the fence before I can offer him any support. Read this Nick - that is less on the fence, demonstrates some courage and is a closer summary of the truth: http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/4010892.The_biggest_month_of_all_for_Saints/ Lowe and Wilde need to sell up and go asp. Agree with your sentiments about Illingsworth completely. Anything he may have to offer is compromised by his willingness to cosy up to the very people who he suggests are the problem. And I found the Echo article truly fascinating. Its seems the Echo has woken up, is more in tune with the fan base and has turned on Lowe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cambsaint Posted 31 December, 2008 Share Posted 31 December, 2008 The Echo article is concise, objective and true; an excellent piece of journalism. Illingworth's article is full of meaningless platitudes and states "the bleeding obvious". Added to which it isn't the fans that are pulling the club apart, its the directors and shareholders. We the fans have no power except not to attend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oz Posted 1 January, 2009 Share Posted 1 January, 2009 nick illingworth is even more full of ****e than portaloo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 1 January, 2009 Share Posted 1 January, 2009 before theres a willing buyer there has to be a willing seller and it doesnt matter if the fans raise £30m, if lowe and wilde dont want to sale then the 'fans with money' will be no better off.besides,i dont think the fans owning a club is a good idea,in fact i would hate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 1 January, 2009 Share Posted 1 January, 2009 The whole article is loaded with contradictions. It offers no answers. It is just one guy with an opinion...he might as well post on here. The Trust is a useless, toothless little plaything for a few people to try to elevate themselves to some form of minor celeb status. It has achieved little on all counts. The concept of anyone giving these guys shares is pretty ludicrous, but still they bleat on about fan power. How about the current shareholders reaching into their pockets to save the company THEY own? Isn't that the way its supposed to work? Of course this will NEVER happen in this PLC structure. Unfortunately, Lowe and Wilde will not sell. That means the only way of ridding the club of these yesterday men is administration. Sad, but ultimately true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IFHP Posted 1 January, 2009 Share Posted 1 January, 2009 The Echo article is concise, objective and true; an excellent piece of journalism. Thats got to be a 1st then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 1 January, 2009 Share Posted 1 January, 2009 The whole article is loaded with contradictions. It offers no answers. It is just one guy with an opinion...he might as well post on here. The Trust is a useless, toothless little plaything for a few people to try to elevate themselves to some form of minor celeb status. It has achieved little on all counts. The concept of anyone giving these guys shares is pretty ludicrous, but still they bleat on about fan power. How about the current shareholders reaching into their pockets to save the company THEY own? Isn't that the way its supposed to work? Of course this will NEVER happen in this PLC structure. Unfortunately, Lowe and Wilde will not sell. That means the only way of ridding the club of these yesterday men is administration. Sad, but ultimately true. i know a couple of the 'minor celebs' involved with the trust well,including nick, and although they are good blokes i dont think i would like them to have a say in running the club.they all love the club as much as you and i,but for me this is where the problems start,would they make the sound,realistic and sometimes unpopular decisions required or would they make decisions driven by their heart which might be popular with the masses but could be disasterous for the club.in a way i think crouch had a touch of this attitude which sometimes manifested itself in the form of some of his cringy outbursts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guan 2.0 Posted 1 January, 2009 Share Posted 1 January, 2009 Anybody who hopes for administration for the club (and all the penalties and long term hardship that will involve), just so 1 or 2 figures they happen to dislike are no longer involved are beyond mentally incompetent IMHO. There would be no players, no team, and clubs before us have been locked out from their own grounds. Only a solution if you have decided to give up supporting Southampton Football Club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
up and away Posted 1 January, 2009 Share Posted 1 January, 2009 Originally Posted by SaintRobbie A better article from Illingworth than normal. But still far too supportive of Lowe for my liking. On the one hand he corals the fans by saying we need to get rid of the lot of them (board) - agreed 100% - then in the next breadth he asks for Lowe to have some time... mmmmmm .... being objective Nick or still enjoying being coverted by the plc board? I lost my faith in Nick a while ago. Says one thing to win over the fans - but became too close to the plc masters to be fully trusted for me a long time ago. I'd need to read something less on the fence before I can offer him any support. Read this Nick - that is less on the fence, demonstrates some courage and is a closer summary of the truth: http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/sai...ll_for_Saints/ Lowe and Wilde need to sell up and go asp. Agree with your sentiments about Illingsworth completely. Anything he may have to offer is compromised by his willingness to cosy up to the very people who he suggests are the problem. And I found the Echo article truly fascinating. Its seems the Echo has woken up, is more in tune with the fan base and has turned on Lowe. It is amusing that the Echo quote Forest as the guiding light, as a few years earlier they were not even in the same financial plight as ourselves and off they went into league 1. Illingsworth's message is very simple, there is no knight on a white horse, our only hope is ourselves. If we don't care and are more interested in petty squabbles, no one else can be expected to care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 1 January, 2009 Share Posted 1 January, 2009 It is amusing that the Echo quote Forest as the guiding light, as a few years earlier they were not even in the same financial plight as ourselves and off they went into league 1. Illingsworth's message is very simple, there is no knight on a white horse, our only hope is ourselves. If we don't care and are more interested in petty squabbles, no one else can be expected to care. The fact you and the rest of Ruperts rat pack are rallying behind Illingsworth says it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delmary Posted 1 January, 2009 Share Posted 1 January, 2009 Anybody who hopes for administration for the club (and all the penalties and long term hardship that will involve), just so 1 or 2 figures they happen to dislike are no longer involved are beyond mentally incompetent IMHO. There would be no players, no team, and clubs before us have been locked out from their own grounds. Only a solution if you have decided to give up supporting Southampton Football Club.We must avoid admin at all costs but the odds are stacked very much against us. We're still losing £80K a week:( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 1 January, 2009 Share Posted 1 January, 2009 (edited) It is amusing that the Echo quote Forest as the guiding light, as a few years earlier they were not even in the same financial plight as ourselves and off they went into league 1. Illingsworth's message is very simple, there is no knight on a white horse, our only hope is ourselves. If we don't care and are more interested in petty squabbles, no one else can be expected to care. Unless we get off our arses and do something to try and sell this club instead of commenting on how bad Lowe is but we really must keep him and his plans!? Balls. WE NEED TO SELL THIS CLUB. SITTING ON OUR ARSES AND DOING NOTHING IS NO LONGER AN OPTION. WE NEED TO PUT A TEAM TOGETHER AND FIND A BUYER. AND IF WE FAIL... TRY AGAIN... AND AGAIN. Edited 1 January, 2009 by SaintRobbie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowballs2 Posted 1 January, 2009 Share Posted 1 January, 2009 I am sure a number of the people running the trust are in it for gain and personal kudos. By cozying up to Lowe Illingsworth will damage what little reputation the trust has left. Time to close it or get more people running it in tune with majority views Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stthrobber Posted 1 January, 2009 Share Posted 1 January, 2009 Illingsworth is as irrelevent as the Saints Trust. The moment he sucked up to Lowe he lost most of his credibility with fans. His takeover article the other month was priceless too. Actually, he has made the one point in his article that the major shareholders need to realise. Their collective egos are too big for the good of the club. Instead of constantly laying the blame, they need to work together for the future, but I can't see that happening. As for the rest of the article, I saw it as a promotion piece for the Saints Trust with a view perhaps to the writer being able to have power and influence over fellow trustees/fans. I don't so much see him being too supportive of Lowe, just accepting that there are no alternatives right now and urging unity. A bit naive? Yes perhaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 1 January, 2009 Share Posted 1 January, 2009 The bickering started after WGS left and the fans are to blame as much as anyone, esprcially a vocal minority who have always had their own agenda at the unwitting expense of the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 1 January, 2009 Share Posted 1 January, 2009 The bickering started after WGS left and the fans are to blame as much as anyone, esprcially a vocal minority who have always had their own agenda at the unwitting expense of the club. What a load of crap, I suppose Woolworths going bust is the customer's fault too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 1 January, 2009 Share Posted 1 January, 2009 I don't so much see him being too supportive of Lowe, just accepting that there are no alternatives right now and urging unity. A bit naive? Yes perhaps. He needs to make his mind up. A few weeks ago he was ITK and telling us the club would be taken over. Personally i'll choose what i wish to think and not be influenced by self appointed fans leaders with ambitions above their stations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 1 January, 2009 Share Posted 1 January, 2009 Anybody who hopes for administration for the club (and all the penalties and long term hardship that will involve), just so 1 or 2 figures they happen to dislike are no longer involved are beyond mentally incompetent IMHO. There would be no players, no team, and clubs before us have been locked out from their own grounds. Only a solution if you have decided to give up supporting Southampton Football Club. You have a simple and narrow-minded view IMO. If what you say is true, then 30k Leeds fans have been watching what exactly for the last 2-3 years? And PLEASE for once, try to stretch your mind to accept that its OK to hate Lowes policies and their deployment without disliking the man himself! I repeat - I do not know Lowe so cannot comment on him as a person, but I do know I hate his philosophies and actions, which have largely single-handedly ruined this club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guan 2.0 Posted 2 January, 2009 Share Posted 2 January, 2009 You have a simple and narrow-minded view IMO. If what you say is true, then 30k Leeds fans have been watching what exactly for the last 2-3 years? And PLEASE for once, try to stretch your mind to accept that its OK to hate Lowes policies and their deployment without disliking the man himself! I repeat - I do not know Lowe so cannot comment on him as a person, but I do know I hate his philosophies and actions, which have largely single-handedly ruined this club. By mentioning Leeds you have shown that it is you are narrow minded. After Leeds went bust and were bought back in slightly dodgy circumstances, the football league had a massive overhaul of the procedures and rules for clubs going into, and coming out of, administration. Bournemouth and Luton are just the lesser examples of this. If you had paid any attention to this, you wouldn't make comments like the one above, and anyone who thinks along those lines is dangerously Naive. And my mind can easily cope with the fact that people dislike Lowe's policies rather than the man himself, but praying for administration to rid themselves of him (which is what I mentioned), shows a worrying lack of foresight, and has the age old problem of no viable alternative, which I notice you fail to comment on. It would seem that it is not my mental faculties that need examining my friend. Hope that helps and happy new year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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