The Cat Posted 8 January, 2016 Share Posted 8 January, 2016 http://m.dailyecho.co.uk/news/14190228.Saints_fans_banned_for__sickening_abuse__and_Nazi_style_salutes/?ref=mr&lp=2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarrettIvo Posted 8 January, 2016 Share Posted 8 January, 2016 Good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 8 January, 2016 Share Posted 8 January, 2016 Scumbags who should have been banned for life, not just 3 years if you ask me. No doubt some loon will soon be on here telling us that this type of vile stuff is mere traditional fan *banter* and therefore perfectly acceptable of course ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 8 January, 2016 Share Posted 8 January, 2016 I see that Yeovil Chase hasn't changed then, always was a den of iniquity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downthe36 Posted 8 January, 2016 Share Posted 8 January, 2016 Second guy is from a road called White Hart Lane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted 8 January, 2016 Share Posted 8 January, 2016 Something mildly amusing in that one of them lives in a street called White Hart Lane. How he must hate going home every day, the gormless ***t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 8 January, 2016 Share Posted 8 January, 2016 Just cant believe that the Spurs fans' would moan about this, they call themselves Yids for a start anyway, actually sang it our game. Whilst imitating gas chambers etc. is a bit more than just banter perhaps, some people need to get a life. As for the Nazi gestures, well John Cleese made a living from it. Perhaps we should start taking picnics to the football with the extended family, make a whole day of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 8 January, 2016 Share Posted 8 January, 2016 High quality debate today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 8 January, 2016 Share Posted 8 January, 2016 Always good to weed out these kind of morons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 8 January, 2016 Share Posted 8 January, 2016 Just cant believe that the Spurs fans' would moan about this, they call themselves Yids for a start anyway, actually sang it our game. Whilst imitating gas chambers etc. is a bit more than just banter perhaps, some people need to get a life. As for the Nazi gestures, well John Cleese made a living from it. Perhaps we should start taking picnics to the football with the extended family, make a whole day of it. You are a wee bit thick ain't ya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint97 Posted 8 January, 2016 Share Posted 8 January, 2016 Just 2 fans? ahahaha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 8 January, 2016 Share Posted 8 January, 2016 You are a wee bit thick ain't ya indeed, but i always look forward to your retorts, i guess you have to put a lot of thinking time into them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarrettIvo Posted 8 January, 2016 Share Posted 8 January, 2016 Just cant believe that the Spurs fans' would moan about this, they call themselves Yids for a start anyway, actually sang it our game. Whilst imitating gas chambers etc. is a bit more than just banter perhaps, some people need to get a life. As for the Nazi gestures, well John Cleese made a living from it. Perhaps we should start taking picnics to the football with the extended family, make a whole day of it. John Cleese stopped being funny about 40 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 8 January, 2016 Share Posted 8 January, 2016 It’s all part of football. Spurs fans have been known to sing about Hillsborough to wind up Liverpool Liverpool have been known to sing about the Munich Air Disaster to wind up Man Utd Man Utd have been known to sing about the Leeds fans who were killed in Istanbul. I doubt many of the fans sing these things for any other reason but to wind up / provoke a reaction from other fans. In this case unfortunately they are able to give this a political / racist twist as it implies the fans have a hatred of jews, rather than of Spurs which is clearly their real motivation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 8 January, 2016 Share Posted 8 January, 2016 John Cleese stopped being funny about 40 years ago. Have you not seen the new Specsavers advert? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 8 January, 2016 Share Posted 8 January, 2016 It’s all part of football. Spurs fans have been known to sing about Hillsborough to wind up Liverpool Liverpool have been known to sing about the Munich Air Disaster to wind up Man Utd Man Utd have been known to sing about the Leeds fans who were killed in Istanbul. I doubt many of the fans sing these things for any other reason but to wind up / provoke a reaction from other fans. In this case unfortunately they are able to give this a political / racist twist as it implies the fans have a hatred of jews, rather than of Spurs which is clearly their real motivation. this. exactly. Its just a football thing, like it or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackanorySFC Posted 8 January, 2016 Share Posted 8 January, 2016 Just hope no one grassed them up. No one likes a grass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 8 January, 2016 Share Posted 8 January, 2016 this. exactly. Its just a football thing, like it or not. So at these EDL rallies these salutes are really tributes to John Cleese? Maybe they aren't nasty racists bigots after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 8 January, 2016 Author Share Posted 8 January, 2016 Just 2 fans? ahahaha. I was once threatened with arrest in the Archers for singing something about Berkovic after he'd joined West Ham. When I pointed out to the copper that about 1000 other people were also singing it he turned around and said "but you're nearest" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUS Posted 8 January, 2016 Share Posted 8 January, 2016 Just hope no one grassed them up. No one likes a grass. It states in the article that a steward reported them to the police and they were arrested at the time. Doing his job I would say. Regardless, everything in the ground is recorded on CCTV. So a grass really isn't required to capture bellends like this making tools of themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 8 January, 2016 Share Posted 8 January, 2016 Those two guys sit (well did) on the same row as me at SMS about six seats away. Clearly I was highly engrossed in the quality on pitch entertainment because despite being sat only a few feet away I never heard or saw any of that amazing that two spurs fans sat in the away end could hear them hissing over the general din and I missed the whole thing. Didn't even realise there was a problem until one of them got escorted out just as the second half started. Still no place for that crap in this day and age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ant Posted 8 January, 2016 Share Posted 8 January, 2016 It’s all part of football. Ah, I see. No point challenging any behaviour that's 'part of football'. Seems a bit bloody backward to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkou Posted 8 January, 2016 Share Posted 8 January, 2016 Should have been lifetime bans really. Unfortunately football will always attract the odd low life chav with little intelligence. These people´s only release is to shout abuse every Saturday for 90 minutes and claim it is "part of football" or "banter" as people have tried to do above. Well it is a part of football that the vast majority of bright and reasonable people would rather do without. Hopefully these 2 will do some growing up in the next 3 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 8 January, 2016 Share Posted 8 January, 2016 It’s all part of football. Spurs fans have been known to sing about Hillsborough to wind up Liverpool Liverpool have been known to sing about the Munich Air Disaster to wind up Man Utd Man Utd have been known to sing about the Leeds fans who were killed in Istanbul. I doubt many of the fans sing these things for any other reason but to wind up / provoke a reaction from other fans. In this case unfortunately they are able to give this a political / racist twist as it implies the fans have a hatred of jews, rather than of Spurs which is clearly their real motivation. It should not be a part of football or society. Get real. Do you accept violence as 'part of football'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 8 January, 2016 Share Posted 8 January, 2016 Should have been lifetime bans really. Unfortunately football will always attract the odd low life chav with little intelligence. These people´s only release is to shout abuse every Saturday for 90 minutes and claim it is "part of football" or "banter" as people have tried to do above. Well it is a part of football that the vast majority of bright and reasonable people would rather do without. Hopefully these 2 will do some growing up in the next 3 years. Lifetime bans for behaving like a moron at a football match? What they did was stupid, they've been given a considerable punishment, can't see why anyone would demand more than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsk Posted 8 January, 2016 Share Posted 8 January, 2016 Something mildly amusing in that one of them lives in a street called White Hart Lane. How he must hate going home every day, the gormless ***t. I had the exact same thought when reading the article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 8 January, 2016 Share Posted 8 January, 2016 It’s all part of football. Spurs fans have been known to sing about Hillsborough to wind up Liverpool Liverpool have been known to sing about the Munich Air Disaster to wind up Man Utd Man Utd have been known to sing about the Leeds fans who were killed in Istanbul. I doubt many of the fans sing these things for any other reason but to wind up / provoke a reaction from other fans. In this case unfortunately they are able to give this a political / racist twist as it implies the fans have a hatred of jews, rather than of Spurs which is clearly their real motivation. Doesn't make it right though. All of those those examples are deeply unpleasant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint in Paradise Posted 8 January, 2016 Share Posted 8 January, 2016 You lot better be careful if you go to a pantomime then - no hissing at the villain or you could well be arrested. :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 8 January, 2016 Share Posted 8 January, 2016 this. exactly. Its just a football thing, like it or not. Just like making monkey noises and throwing bananas at black players used to be. There is no excuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 8 January, 2016 Share Posted 8 January, 2016 You lot better be careful if you go to a pantomime then - no hissing at the villain or you could well be arrested. :lol: Oh, so the pantomime hissing represents the gassing of Jews? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 8 January, 2016 Share Posted 8 January, 2016 Just like making monkey noises and throwing bananas at black players used to be. There is no excuse. i think racism is lot more personal. You are degrading someone because they are black (for example), whilst in this instance you are not necessarily making it personal. You Fat Bastard? I guess that's not acceptable either? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 8 January, 2016 Share Posted 8 January, 2016 You lot better be careful if you go to a pantomime then - no hissing at the villain or you could well be arrested. :lol: Congratulations on creating the most complete non sequitur since the founding of this forum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redslo Posted 9 January, 2016 Share Posted 9 January, 2016 Just cant believe that the Spurs fans' would moan about this, they call themselves Yids for a start anyway, actually sang it our game. Whilst imitating gas chambers etc. is a bit more than just banter perhaps, some people need to get a life. As for the Nazi gestures, well John Cleese made a living from it. Perhaps we should start taking picnics to the football with the extended family, make a whole day of it. You are a wee bit thick ain't ya indeed, but i always look forward to your retorts, i guess you have to put a lot of thinking time into them John Cleese stopped being funny about 40 years ago. It’s all part of football. Spurs fans have been known to sing about Hillsborough to wind up Liverpool Liverpool have been known to sing about the Munich Air Disaster to wind up Man Utd Man Utd have been known to sing about the Leeds fans who were killed in Istanbul. I doubt many of the fans sing these things for any other reason but to wind up / provoke a reaction from other fans. In this case unfortunately they are able to give this a political / racist twist as it implies the fans have a hatred of jews, rather than of Spurs which is clearly their real motivation. There seems to be a fair bit of nonsense or stupidity here. I will try to put some thinking into my response. First, John Cleese may well have made the Nazi salute as part of a sketch, but he did not making a living with anti-semitic remarks. Second, you man not think that John Cleese has done anything funny recently, but 40 years ago predates Holy Grail, Life of Brian, and Fish Called Wanda. And his recent appearances on American talk shows have been funny. More importantly, whether or not Spurs fans should be calling themselves Yids, the appropriate response is some version of "our club is better than yours" or "we are going to beat you today" not facist salutes or imitating the sound of gas chambers. If cannot see this distinction, your brain is broken and you should have it checked out immediately. In any case, the appropriate response to someone filing a complaint about racist behavior is not telling the complaining party to get a life, but is complimenting them on their willingness to spend their time and risk abuse to improve the world by identifying a problem and trying to fix it. The fact that fans of various other clubs have at times said inappropriate things about the events in Hillsborough, Munich, and Istanbul is not a reason to excuse or encourage similar behavior. It is a reason to be more vigilant when such things occur and work harder to stop this kind of behavior. Football's problem is not too little bad behavior by fans at the matches. A claim that the fans say these things only to wind up the opposing fans is not a valid excuse or justification. If anything, it is worse than the expression of racism by an actual racist who, at least, has the virtue of truthfully expressing a deeply held belief, not just trying to cause trouble. Of course, racist chanting cannot be excused on that basis and it is, in fact, one of football's big problems. To put it another way, it is possible to express a dislike for the Spurs without being a hateful bigot. Saints fans could, for example, chant about how they stole our song. One could also express curiosity about exactly what a Hotspur is. (I actually don't know but will look it up now--ok that didn't really help.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 9 January, 2016 Share Posted 9 January, 2016 Redslo - this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarrettIvo Posted 9 January, 2016 Share Posted 9 January, 2016 There seems to be a fair bit of nonsense or stupidity here. I will try to put some thinking into my response. Second, you man not think that John Cleese has done anything funny recently, but 40 years ago predates Holy Grail, Life of Brian, and Fish Called Wanda. And his recent appearances on American talk shows have been funny. Holy Grail was 41 years ago actually, so I will claim 1/3 of a point. I don't generally watch American talk shows. As an aside I did meet him a few years ago when he was in our office recording something or other for the BBC. Never thought that would happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brmbrm Posted 9 January, 2016 Share Posted 9 January, 2016 It’s all part of football. Spurs fans have been known to sing about Hillsborough to wind up Liverpool Liverpool have been known to sing about the Munich Air Disaster to wind up Man Utd Man Utd have been known to sing about the Leeds fans who were killed in Istanbul. I doubt many of the fans sing these things for any other reason but to wind up / provoke a reaction from other fans. In this case unfortunately they are able to give this a political / racist twist as it implies the fans have a hatred of jews, rather than of Spurs which is clearly their real motivation. Rape, murder, deomestic violence, ISIS, thrd worls poverty, global warming. yeah, they're just all part of life. No problem. FFS???????? Like other posts say,things are changing - no more bananas and monkey noises. One day that will also catch up with you (unlikely), your kids (hopefully), Noodles and all you other racists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shance Posted 9 January, 2016 Share Posted 9 January, 2016 Nowadays too many people in the world are looking for any excuse to be outraged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Fred Posted 9 January, 2016 Share Posted 9 January, 2016 I thought the facts about the banning order were the best bit..they have to hand in their passports when major games abroad are on..as that is very unlikely to involve us, is that any big game? I assume it could be only related to us..so job done or does it include when England play or is it extreme like big euro games involving English clubs like when arsenal go to Barcelona. Does it include the El Classico or even just Bayern v Dortmand? And who enforces it? Do the police check the fixture list and tell him when to hand it in at the start of the season and then up date for cup draws etc... Lol so many questions! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 9 January, 2016 Share Posted 9 January, 2016 Rape, murder, deomestic violence, ISIS, thrd worls poverty, global warming. yeah, they're just all part of life. No problem. FFS???????? Like other posts say,things are changing - no more bananas and monkey noises. One day that will also catch up with you (unlikely), your kids (hopefully), Noodles and all you other racists. Me, racist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 9 January, 2016 Share Posted 9 January, 2016 Rape, murder, deomestic violence, ISIS, thrd worls poverty, global warming. yeah, they're just all part of life. No problem. FFS???????? Like other posts say,things are changing - no more bananas and monkey noises. One day that will also catch up with you (unlikely), your kids (hopefully), Noodles and all you other racists. It's a couple of young lads shouting something offensive at a game of football. Glad you have balance and perspective in your life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 9 January, 2016 Share Posted 9 January, 2016 I thought the facts about the banning order were the best bit..they have to hand in their passports when major games abroad are on..as that is very unlikely to involve us, is that any big game? I assume it could be only related to us..so job done or does it include when England play or is it extreme like big euro games involving English clubs like when arsenal go to Barcelona. Does it include the El Classico or even just Bayern v Dortmand? And who enforces it? Do the police check the fixture list and tell him when to hand it in at the start of the season and then up date for cup draws etc... Lol so many questions! Every England away game, every Saints competitive away game in Europe. If we had a run in Europa you'd be without your passport for half a year! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 9 January, 2016 Share Posted 9 January, 2016 Rape, murder, deomestic violence, ISIS, thrd worls poverty, global warming. yeah, they're just all part of life. No problem. FFS???????? Like other posts say,things are changing - no more bananas and monkey noises. One day that will also catch up with you (unlikely), your kids (hopefully), Noodles and all you other racists. Stop being a dimwit. My point was their 'crime' was motivated by football and not some deep hatred of the Jewish religion, yet it was reported as if they had targeted Jewish people as a hate crime, if they'd sang other offensive songs they'd have just had a warning as opposed to arrest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daft Kerplunk Posted 9 January, 2016 Share Posted 9 January, 2016 Stop being a dimwit. My point was their 'crime' was motivated by football and not some deep hatred of the Jewish religion, yet it was reported as if they had targeted Jewish people as a hate crime, if they'd sang other offensive songs they'd have just had a warning as opposed to arrest Nothing dimwitted about the post as the sentiment is clear and taking it to the extreme to make a point, the posts that fall into that category are the ones that imply it's a bit of banter. The views of these lads are plain and simply stupid but have a root somewhere far darker that isn't good. To ignore it suggests a slight tolerance of it. I'm glad they have been banned, their actions have no place in an intelligent and tolerant society. Shout and have a go all you want but it would be much better if people could leave race, gender, sexual preference and religion out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrian lord Posted 9 January, 2016 Share Posted 9 January, 2016 How do they enforce the bans even domestically? Face-recognition technology CCTV surveillance of every turnstile in the UK? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 9 January, 2016 Share Posted 9 January, 2016 Nothing dimwitted about the post as the sentiment is clear and taking it to the extreme to make a point, the posts that fall into that category are the ones that imply it's a bit of banter. The views of these lads are plain and simply stupid but have a root somewhere far darker that isn't good. To ignore it suggests a slight tolerance of it. I'm glad they have been banned, their actions have no place in an intelligent and tolerant society. Shout and have a go all you want but it would be much better if people could leave race, gender, sexual preference and religion out of it. Why is it not the same offence to sing about Hillsborough or Munich? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 9 January, 2016 Share Posted 9 January, 2016 Me, racist. Lol, yeah you. Don't tell me some of best friends are Jewish and chuckle along with you when you hiss at them as they look back on the death camps and sigh 'hey that's life' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrian lord Posted 9 January, 2016 Share Posted 9 January, 2016 Why is it not the same offence to sing about Hillsborough or Munich? You would need to prove Liverpool or ManU fans were distinct, defineable minority groups/cultures and were targeted with a hate crime because of that. So yes the same offence! LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 9 January, 2016 Share Posted 9 January, 2016 Why is it not the same offence to sing about Hillsborough or Munich? Do you consider yourself a racist? Just out of interest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 9 January, 2016 Share Posted 9 January, 2016 You would need to prove Liverpool or ManU fans were distinct, defineable minority groups/cultures and were targeted with a hate crime because of that. So yes the same offence! LOL But surely it's much more likely that someone who was at Hillsborough or had friends/family injured/killed there would be in the Liverpool end, then anyone directly affected by the holocaust would be in the Spurs end. So surely more likely to be directly offensive to people actually there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrian lord Posted 9 January, 2016 Share Posted 9 January, 2016 (edited) ^ I guess that would just be plain old being very rude, insensitive and offensive to individuals affected by a tragedy. Rather like, say, taking the **** out of relatives of Zeebrugge Ferry victims would be? Police might arrest you for using "threatening or insulting words or behaviour" or something like that but would struggle to make out it was a hate crime in the Hillsborough example, but could in the Spurs example. Edited 9 January, 2016 by adrian lord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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