lordswoodsaints Posted 14 January, 2009 Share Posted 14 January, 2009 ....before changing the manager? im guessing that if lowe would want a change he would wait until after the transfer window closes so the new man coming in will know that he is unable to buy any players and would have to work with what we have available,maybe just topping up the squad with a loan or two? a donny win on saturday will make them 1 point better off with a game in hand,so im also guessing that anything other than a win for us on saturday will speed JP's departure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 14 January, 2009 Share Posted 14 January, 2009 I would have thought Lowe will wait pending results,although I think he sacked Dave Jones - sorry,allowed him to go on a sabbatical - after we had beaten Everton at home.So anything can happen on Planet Rupert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 14 January, 2009 Share Posted 14 January, 2009 I would have thought Lowe will wait pending results,although I think he sacked Dave Jones - sorry,allowed him to go on a sabbatical - after we had beaten Everton at home.So anything can happen on Planet Rupert. Different circumstance altogether. Saturday is a must win, simple as, in the absence of a win imo Lowe has little option but to look at what, if any, alternatives exsist who are willing to take on the huge challenge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COMEONYOUREDS Posted 14 January, 2009 Share Posted 14 January, 2009 highly unlikely imho he's not going to sack JP, if he was he'd have done it before the window Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Channon's Sideburns Posted 14 January, 2009 Share Posted 14 January, 2009 why the hell would he change his manager? you think lowe set the target anything other than staying up? i seriously doubt jan would go if we were relegated, nor would i want him to. no money, crap squad, poor wages. he's doing a good job considering. Wasn't the Play Offs mentioned as a target at the start of the season??? The key to it all is to manage expectations. PR OS articles at the start of the season were indicating that we would be challenging...more at the top than the bottom. We are where we are...imagine though the possibilities of what JP could do with money! I actually think without one hand tied behind his back he could do ok. TBF at the moment, if anyone said 'Burley or Poortvliet' to me, it would be Jan. He is doing a much better job than Burley managed with money. It proved at the start of the season last year that Burley wasn't interested when the money ran out... How very Redknapp.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 14 January, 2009 Share Posted 14 January, 2009 why the hell would he change his manager? you think lowe set the target anything other than staying up? i seriously doubt jan would go if we were relegated, nor would i want him to. no money, crap squad, poor wages. he's doing a good job considering. A good job? sorry i fail to see how being in the drop zone is considered doing a good job? The man has lost basically 50% of our games if it wasen't for a complete fluke win at Barnsley we would have lost another. If there are 20 teams in a league and you are in the bottom 3 then you and i could have done the same most likely. You can put whatever spin you want to put on it but 1 win in 9 games is appaling and a lot of those results are down to the managers tactical decisions. The fact he is still here defies belief. He is possibly the worst manager i have seen at this club, he has the worst stats of any former manager i would think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graymalkin33 Posted 14 January, 2009 Share Posted 14 January, 2009 The sacking of managers has to stop somewhere. So it stops now - relegation or not. Lets just try n get some continuity. Lets try n get back to how we were mid eighties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 14 January, 2009 Share Posted 14 January, 2009 I expect JP to remain at SFC, because of contract pay-offs If Lowe does do something, he will rejiggle and put Wotte on top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 14 January, 2009 Share Posted 14 January, 2009 If the fans turn on Lowe he'll try and deflect attention with "get behind the new manager". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyFartPants Posted 14 January, 2009 Share Posted 14 January, 2009 I expect JP to remain at SFC, because of contract pay-offs If Lowe does do something, he will rejiggle and put Wotte on top. Part of me thinks that loaning out the players rather selling them was all part of the plan. If by January we are looking good without them, then sell them. If we are in the mire, bring some back. At least we have offloaded their wages since September. I would expect hardly any players to be sold in the January window, maybe a call back or two and perhaps a loan or free transfer. Come the end of the season, we will balance the books once more by selling a few and so it carries on. Next season will be another one where we start with a lot of youth, though this time around they will have played a season in the Championship. We just have to hope that they start there again next season. If they do, then Lowes first season back in charge has been a "success" as he will have lowered debt and securred our status. If we drop then he has failed. Simple as that really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 14 January, 2009 Share Posted 14 January, 2009 Wasn't the Play Offs mentioned as a target at the start of the season??? The key to it all is to manage expectations. PR OS articles at the start of the season were indicating that we would be challenging...more at the top than the bottom. We are where we are...imagine though the possibilities of what JP could do with money! I actually think without one hand tied behind his back he could do ok. TBF at the moment, if anyone said 'Burley or Poortvliet' to me, it would be Jan. He is doing a much better job than Burley managed with money. It proved at the start of the season last year that Burley wasn't interested when the money ran out... How very Redknapp.... TBF I doubt there are many clubs that look at the bottom of the table rather than the top. If this season's OS rubbish had started with "Relegation fight starts here!" headlines we would have all had puppies and slated the OS for being defeatest and blamed Lowe for not having any ambition. I think it was JP that was quoted as saying we are aiming for the playoffs though but for the same reason as above I am happier that he is at least aiming to be in the top half of the league. As for the OP I cant see Rupes deliberatly waiting until after the transfer window to get a replacement in. If his plan is to replace him and he was going to do it before the window then he would simply tell anyone new coming in that there is no money to spend in the window so you will have to work with what there is. Holding on for a few weeks to save him having to dish out some bad news is not in his nature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 14 January, 2009 Share Posted 14 January, 2009 Part of me thinks that loaning out the players rather selling them was all part of the plan. If by January we are looking good without them, then sell them. If we are in the mire, bring some back. At least we have offloaded their wages since September. I would expect hardly any players to be sold in the January window, maybe a call back or two and perhaps a loan or free transfer. Come the end of the season, we will balance the books once more by selling a few and so it carries on. Next season will be another one where we start with a lot of youth, though this time around they will have played a season in the Championship. We just have to hope that they start there again next season. If they do, then Lowes first season back in charge has been a "success" as he will have lowered debt and securred our status. If we drop then he has failed. Simple as that really. V good summary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
londonsaint1604 Posted 14 January, 2009 Share Posted 14 January, 2009 A good job? sorry i fail to see how being in the drop zone is considered doing a good job? The man has lost basically 50% of our games if it wasen't for a complete fluke win at Barnsley we would have lost another. If there are 20 teams in a league and you are in the bottom 3 then you and i could have done the same most likely. You can put whatever spin you want to put on it but 1 win in 9 games is appaling and a lot of those results are down to the managers tactical decisions. The fact he is still here defies belief. He is possibly the worst manager i have seen at this club, he has the worst stats of any former manager i would think. We scored a goal, Barnsley didn't. Nothing flukey about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 14 January, 2009 Share Posted 14 January, 2009 could also say we would have more points if other teams weren't flukely in games we played well -but thats not relevant so we can only look at the league table Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 14 January, 2009 Share Posted 14 January, 2009 I expect JP to remain at SFC, because of contract pay-offs If Lowe does do something, he will rejiggle and put Wotte on top. agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 14 January, 2009 Share Posted 14 January, 2009 We scored a goal, Barnsley didn't. Nothing flukey about it. Then you obviously wern't there as we were poor and if it wasen't for Davis saves and Barnsley missing about 20 golden chances we could of lost anything like 4-0. If we play like that we will lose pretty much majority of our games, oh wait we already have.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyFartPants Posted 14 January, 2009 Share Posted 14 January, 2009 then you obviously wern't there as we were poor and if it wasen't for davis saves and barnsley missing about 20 golden chances we could of lost anything like 4-0. If we play like that we will lose pretty much majority of our games, oh wait we already have.... o rly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 14 January, 2009 Share Posted 14 January, 2009 ....before changing the manager? im guessing that if lowe would want a change he would wait until after the transfer window closes so the new man coming in will know that he is unable to buy any players and would have to work with what we have available,maybe just topping up the squad with a loan or two? a donny win on saturday will make them 1 point better off with a game in hand,so im also guessing that anything other than a win for us on saturday will speed JP's departure. I think this time Lowe CANT sack the coach - as it is Lowe's appointment and Lowe's alone. If JP fails - and he HAS - Lowe fails. Lowe wont sack JP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 14 January, 2009 Share Posted 14 January, 2009 We scored a goal, Barnsley didn't. Nothing flukey about it. Says he who wasn't there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 14 January, 2009 Share Posted 14 January, 2009 why the hell would he change his manager? Yeah such a stupid thing to do in this results driven industry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 14 January, 2009 Share Posted 14 January, 2009 o rly? obvious slight exageration but anyone who watched the game knows we were very lucky, to quote Kammy on Big League weekend "They were lucky not to get hammered, it is one of those games where you wonder if your ever score". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 14 January, 2009 Share Posted 14 January, 2009 I expect JP to remain at SFC, because of contract pay-offs If Lowe does do something, he will rejiggle and put Wotte on top. May have already happened in practice. Seijs (sp?) said that it was Wotte who called him and got him to sign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
londonsaint1604 Posted 14 January, 2009 Share Posted 14 January, 2009 Says he who wasn't there. Hahaha, "you don't know, cos you weren't there man!" I don't need to have been there to know that we won the game ffs. I was in cardiff on the first day and we were unlucky to lose that game. You could even say that it was a 'flukey' win for cardiff. Either way it makes **** all difference because we came away from cardiff with nothing and we came away from Barnsley with 3 points which is all that counts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 14 January, 2009 Share Posted 14 January, 2009 Hahaha, "you don't know, cos you weren't there man!" I don't need to have been there to know that we won the game ffs. I was in cardiff on the first day and we were unlucky to lose that game. You could even say that it was a 'flukey' win for cardiff. Either way it makes **** all difference because we came away from cardiff with nothing and we came away from Barnsley with 3 points which is all that counts. We fluked it. End of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
londonsaint1604 Posted 14 January, 2009 Share Posted 14 January, 2009 We fluked it. End of. It happens a lot in football. We beat them. End of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen Posted 14 January, 2009 Share Posted 14 January, 2009 A good job? sorry i fail to see how being in the drop zone is considered doing a good job? The man has lost basically 50% of our games if it wasen't for a complete fluke win at Barnsley we would have lost another. If there are 20 teams in a league and you are in the bottom 3 then you and i could have done the same most likely. You can put whatever spin you want to put on it but 1 win in 9 games is appaling and a lot of those results are down to the managers tactical decisions. The fact he is still here defies belief. He is possibly the worst manager i have seen at this club, he has the worst stats of any former manager i would think. Well if you're willing to call the win at Barnsley a fluke (and from the commentary perhaps we were fortunate) you also have to look at the games we have dominated but managed to lose. If "fluke" implies it's nothing to do with the manager then it works both ways. Personally, I don't want to see a change of manager. Given the resources we have I'm not convinced that anyone we could afford could do any better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 14 January, 2009 Share Posted 14 January, 2009 highly unlikely imho he's not going to sack JP, if he was he'd have done it before the window That would be my view, too. Better to have a new man in place with the transfer window in front of him than behind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 14 January, 2009 Share Posted 14 January, 2009 Nothing flukey about it. We fluked it. End of. It happens a lot in football. Make your mind up numbnuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 14 January, 2009 Share Posted 14 January, 2009 why the hell would he change his manager? you think lowe set the target anything other than staying up? i seriously doubt jan would go if we were relegated, nor would i want him to. no money, crap squad, poor wages. he's doing a good job considering. Just a simple question Adrian - have you attended many home games this season? This is not a ****ing contest but just interested to see what you base your thoughts on of him doing a good job. What is it that impresses you his tactics, substitutions, formations? Genuinely interested. Because personally he has cost us as many points as we have lost by silly decisions and tactics and even had Sundance questioning him and advocating bringing in Dowie as help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 14 January, 2009 Share Posted 14 January, 2009 ....before changing the manager? im guessing that if lowe would want a change he would wait until after the transfer window closes so the new man coming in will know that he is unable to buy any players and would have to work with what we have available,maybe just topping up the squad with a loan or two? the window closing is irrelevant really as its loans or nothing for us and you can do that after the window closes I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
londonsaint1604 Posted 14 January, 2009 Share Posted 14 January, 2009 Make your mind up numbnuts. Good grief, you are a patronising c**t aren't you? I didn't think our 'discussion' would descend into petty name calling but there you go (and 'numbnuts'? who the **** are you, Lee Ermey?) Ok then, for the sake of argument, I'll concede that the win at Barnsley was a fluke and we didn't deserve the 3 points. My point is that you can say the same about a lot of results in football, in fact it is subjective as to whether any given team deserved to win a given match, hence my point that Cardiff were flukey to beat us on the first day. Now, st Marco uses the flukey win at Barnsley to implicitly criticise Jan, because 'he has lost 50% of our games and would have lost at Barnsley if we hadn't been so lucky.' However, I would say that we have been unlucky in other games but st Marco doesn't mention this in Jan's defence. That is a double standard. I said there was nothing flukey about the win because I don't think anything can simply be described as flukey in football. You make your own luck, as the cliche goes. If John Terry had been able to score a simple penalty, Chelsea would have won the Champions League last season. Therefore, were United flukey to win it? Does it even matter now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 14 January, 2009 Share Posted 14 January, 2009 (edited) Just a simple question Adrian - have you attended many home games this season? This is not a ****ing contest but just interested to see what you base your thoughts on of him doing a good job. What is it that impresses you his tactics, substitutions, formations? Genuinely interested. Because personally he has cost us as many points as we have lost by silly decisions and tactics and even had Sundance questioning him and advocating bringing in Dowie as help. I think the flip side of he coin is that his unusual formation may have possibly helped a very poor set of players look better than they really are. Hard to know for sure. But if we take the Man U game for example. We started 4-4-2 and were ripped apart. JP changed us back to the 4-3-3 and we improved slightly (at least competing) before we went down to 10. In terms of tactics I presonally think he has made a lot of mistakes, specifically the lack of long balls, not getting wingers taking on their men or getting to the byeline. But in the end its up to the players to impose themselves on games and perhaps they simply are not good enough. Some of his selections have bamboozled me but every single manager has done that over the last 20 years. If you work with players day in dasyu out you see something different to fans on a match day - thats the only was of explaining it. As for substitutions I have to say he often gets them spot on and does them as I am saying to myself "he looks a little tired" rather than 20 minutes later. Recent previous managers have been far too slow to react IMO. Edited 14 January, 2009 by Chez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Paul Posted 14 January, 2009 Share Posted 14 January, 2009 I dont think Lowe will sack Jan. If he does it will be an admission that he made the wrong choice. How can he continue to blame Crouch ect for our present situation, if he's then sacked his choice of Manager after half a season. The fact he's had to sack him is an admision that he got it wrong and therefore has contributed to our plight. Can anyone seriously see him taking any blame? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 14 January, 2009 Share Posted 14 January, 2009 We fluked it. End of. we were certainly a little lucky to win but there have been plenty of home games where we have been unlucky not to win. You have to hope it evens out, but in the end the better sides (dominating games, defending well and creating more and better chances) win more games. IMO the league doesn't lie. We have dominated quite a few games, in others we have created more and better chances, but in a large number we have defended poorly and thats why we have not won more games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 14 January, 2009 Share Posted 14 January, 2009 (edited) obvious slight exageration but anyone who watched the game knows we were very lucky, to quote Kammy on Big League weekend "They were lucky not to get hammered, it is one of those games where you wonder if your ever score". I was going to say that your mathes was obviously not your strongest point as to have missed 20 golden chances and should have won 4-0 doesnt add up. by all accounts I do agree with you that we had the luck on our side for that game but there are more than half the games this season where we have played much better and got nothing that we deserved. There have been many games where we have out-shot the opposition with shots on target and purly down to the oppo's keeper having a blinder we have failed to bag the goals to earn us the much needed points. There was a time when I thought that all we needed was for our luck to change and we would push up the table and JP would have got my vote, but latly it seems the confidence has gone in the team and I dont have much confidence in JP to regain that in the team. So as someone else said I would also be happy to have someone like Dowie on board to help guide the team back to a stronger position. I think JP has a lot to offer but I just think the job is too big for him with us Edited 14 January, 2009 by saintjay77 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
londonsaint1604 Posted 14 January, 2009 Share Posted 14 January, 2009 obvious slight exageration but anyone who watched the game knows we were very lucky, to quote Kammy on Big League weekend "They were lucky not to get hammered, it is one of those games where you wonder if your ever score". You could also say that we took our chance and they didn't, therrefore we won Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen Posted 14 January, 2009 Share Posted 14 January, 2009 I think JP has a loo offer but I just think the job is too big for him with us You may want to rephrase that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 14 January, 2009 Share Posted 14 January, 2009 You may want to rephrase that. thanks lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 14 January, 2009 Share Posted 14 January, 2009 Hahaha, "you don't know, cos you weren't there man!" I don't need to have been there to know that we won the game ffs. I was in cardiff on the first day and we were unlucky to lose that game. You could even say that it was a 'flukey' win for cardiff. Either way it makes **** all difference because we came away from cardiff with nothing and we came away from Barnsley with 3 points which is all that counts. I will remember this line when im having a pop at a result in future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 14 January, 2009 Share Posted 14 January, 2009 I think the flip side of he coin is that his unusual formation may have possibly helped a very poor set of players look better than they really are. Hard to know for sure. But if we take the Man U game for example. We started 4-4-2 and were ripped apart. JP changed us back to the 4-3-3 and we improved slightly (at least competing) before we went down to 10. In terms of tactics I presonally think he has made a lot of mistakes, specifically the lack of long balls, not getting wingers taking on their men or getting to the byeline. But in the end its up to the players to impose themselves on games and perhaps they simply are not good enough. Some of his selections have bamboozled me but every single manager has done that over the last 20 years. If you work with players day in dasyu out you see something different to fans on a match day - thats the only was of explaining it. As for substitutions I have to say he often gets them spot on and does them as I am saying to myself "he looks a little tired" rather than 20 minutes later. Recent previous managers have been far too slow to react IMO. Thanks for that and some reasonable points but I disagree totally about subs...I still cant fathom the Gillett one versus wednesday who were just pumping high balls forward when we had better options on the bench IMO. Coventry at home where we had players dead on there feet and bombarded our area and only changed after they had scored and Plymouth at home where we drew 0-0 and had Pearce sat on the bench and could of thrown him up front for the last 10 or so. Thats just 3 from memory but of course I have the hindsight of results but felt at the time he was wrong. I still feel he could do a job here but not as first team manager unless he got in someone more experienced here to help as Gorre hasnt shown much yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 14 January, 2009 Share Posted 14 January, 2009 Wasn't the Play Offs mentioned as a target at the start of the season??? The key to it all is to manage expectations. PR OS articles at the start of the season were indicating that we would be challenging...more at the top than the bottom. We are where we are...imagine though the possibilities of what JP could do with money! I actually think without one hand tied behind his back he could do ok. TBF at the moment, if anyone said 'Burley or Poortvliet' to me, it would be Jan. He is doing a much better job than Burley managed with money. It proved at the start of the season last year that Burley wasn't interested when the money ran out... How very Redknapp.... That was Wilde talking about the play-offs, proving that he knows even less about football than Sundance. Even Rupert wasn't daft enough to say something like that. Then Wilde hid behind Rupert once the season started and the OS spin was proved - after a false dawn at Derby and Brum home in the CC - to be exactly that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 14 January, 2009 Share Posted 14 January, 2009 I expect JP to remain at SFC, because of contract pay-offs If Lowe does do something, he will rejiggle and put Wotte on top. Probably about right. Both are on 12 month deals so Lowe will probably review things at the end of the season according to where the debt levels are and what objectives they were actually set behind the spin. If we stayed up and there wasn't a firesale in the window, that would meet the objectives surely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 14 January, 2009 Share Posted 14 January, 2009 Well if you're willing to call the win at Barnsley a fluke (and from the commentary perhaps we were fortunate) you also have to look at the games we have dominated but managed to lose. If "fluke" implies it's nothing to do with the manager then it works both ways. Personally, I don't want to see a change of manager. Given the resources we have I'm not convinced that anyone we could afford could do any better. Just out of curiosity what are these games we dominated and what is your definition of dominating a team? As i been to pretty much all home and away games this year and i'm struggling to think of any. Maybe the Reading away game perhaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
londonsaint1604 Posted 14 January, 2009 Share Posted 14 January, 2009 Just out of curiosity what are these games we dominated and what is your definition of dominating a team? As i been to pretty much all home and away games this year and i'm struggling to think of any. Maybe the Reading away game perhaps? That is true to be fair, however there have been games where we've had chances but failed to score just as Barnsley did against us. In the 2nd half against Wolves and also Charlton we played well but just couldn't score, for example, and conceding late goals against Wednesday and Reading at home could also be considered unlucky. I just don't think it's fair to dismiss a decent away win as purely down to luck. We took our chance, they didn't. Btw Stanley, apologies for the patronising **** comment, it was meant to be affectionate ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughieslastminutegoal Posted 14 January, 2009 Share Posted 14 January, 2009 I said there was nothing flukey about the win because I don't think anything can simply be described as flukey in football. You make your own luck, as the cliche goes. Then by your own definition, Saints, much more often than not this season, have been unable to make enough luck to win enough games. So you are really agreeing with Marco that we made a rare bit of luck against Barnsley, but made ourselves no luck in the majority of our other games. All in all it still sounds like a lucky win to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 14 January, 2009 Share Posted 14 January, 2009 Well if you're willing to call the win at Barnsley a fluke (and from the commentary perhaps we were fortunate) you also have to look at the games we have dominated but managed to lose. If "fluke" implies it's nothing to do with the manager then it works both ways. Personally, I don't want to see a change of manager. Given the resources we have I'm not convinced that anyone we could afford could do any better. Pearson (not that he'd come back, of course). The sacking of managers has to stop somewhere. So it stops now - relegation or not. Lets just try n get some continuity. Lets try n get back to how we were mid eighties. That's what some people were also saying when Gray and Wigley were managers. I think this time Lowe CANT sack the coach - as it is Lowe's appointment and Lowe's alone. If JP fails - and he HAS - Lowe fails. Lowe wont sack JP. Spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
londonsaint1604 Posted 14 January, 2009 Share Posted 14 January, 2009 Then by your own definition, Saints, much more often than not this season, have been unable to make enough luck to win enough games. So you are really agreeing with Marco that we made a rare bit of luck against Barnsley, but made ourselves no luck in the majority of our other games. All in all it still sounds like a lucky win to me. I suppose that's true. I don't actually think we've been unlucky in most games, we've just defended badly and not created enough chances or taken those that we did create. Evidently we rode our luck against Barnsley but we won the game so it can't have been entirely down to luck. Holmes put in a good cross and Mcgoldrick made it count with a good header, there was nothing lucky about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughieslastminutegoal Posted 14 January, 2009 Share Posted 14 January, 2009 I was going to say that your mathes was obviously not your strongest point as to have missed 20 golden chances and should have won 4-0 doesnt add up. His maths is ok. Your logic however is faulty. He didn't say that they'd have won 4-0 if they'd have scored from all of their golden chances, just that they had 20 golden chances (of which they could easily have taken enough to win 4-0, given the usual kind of ratio of chances taken to chances worked). You know his meaning is crystal clear. ..by all accounts I do agree with you that we had the luck on our side for that game but there are more than half the games this season where we have played much better and got nothing that we deserved. There have been many games where we have out-shot the opposition with shots on target and purly down to the oppo's keeper having a blinder we have failed to bag the goals to earn us the much needed points. Somewhat of an exageration I'd have thought - you seriously believe we've played MUCH BETTER than the opposition in more than half our games, and we've been frequently been frustrated by the other team's goalie having a blinder? I'm surprised you can see anything at all through such heavily-tinted rose coloured glasses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southamptonfclegend Posted 14 January, 2009 Share Posted 14 January, 2009 sacked paul sturrock after a 3-2 win against blackburn i think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1965onwards Posted 14 January, 2009 Share Posted 14 January, 2009 got to laugh at citing Charlton as an unlucky game,they could have had 6 in the ist half Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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