Donald Trump Appreciation Thread

[badgerx16]

Right, dog shit sorted, now back to Trump.

"Ungrateful" NATO has never given anything to the US in return for it's support for NATO;

The only time Article 5 has been invoked was after 9/11, and Denmark suffered the highest per-capita casualty rate of all responding NATO members.

[Weston Super Saint]

9 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Right, dog shit sorted, now back to Trump.

"Ungrateful" NATO has never given anything to the US in return for it's support for NATO;

 

Apart from preventing all out war with Russia.  Other than that the orange freak is spot on.

[Stripey McStripe Shirt]

He's planning to meet with Zelenksy later today, apparently.

Clearly unaware that he decided Trump was too much of a bell end to bother showing up.

[AlexLaw76]

43 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Right, dog shit sorted, now back to Trump.

"Ungrateful" NATO has never given anything to the US in return for it's support for NATO;

The only time Article 5 has been invoked was after 9/11, and Denmark suffered the highest per-capita casualty rate of all responding NATO members.

The USA are NATO, everyone else are just the supporting act at best, which is through decades of government choices.

[badgerx16]

6 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

The USA are NATO, everyone else are just the supporting act at best, which is through decades of government choices.

Do you think the other members are "ungrateful" ?

[badgerx16]

https://www.newsweek.com/ice-agents-arrest-mexican-restaurant-manager-after-dining-11381622

[AlexLaw76]

28 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Do you think the other members are "ungrateful" ?

I believe Western Europe has taken the US for granted on this point 

[benjii]

"But equally importantly, we're cracking down on more than $19 billion in fraud that was stolen by Somalian bandits. Can you believe that Somalian, they turned out to be higher IQ than we thought. We say these are low IQ people. How did they go into Minnesota and steal all that money? We have, you know, they’re pirates, they're good pirates, but we shoot them out of the water just like we shoot the drug boats out. They're not pirating too many boats lately, do you notice? When they go out into those boats, they want to take over a billion and a half dollar tanker, load it up with oil, and they say, "We're going to blow up your boat, they have powerful weapons." You hit the side of the boat, you blow the whole thing up. The insurance companies are petrified, so they say, "Just give them the boat, we'll give them money instead." And I don't do that. We blow them right to hell out of the water. We see them going out, we blow them out of the water. We don't have any pirates so much anymore. We do. They won't be there long. We've cut down with the hitting of the boats that are loaded up with drugs, including submarines. Can you believe they actually buy some, they call mini subs. very fast. They're meant for drugs. We've knocked out to them the Democrats. They were fishing. You have ruined somebody's fishing. We can't, I would say, a submarine is not a fishing boat. You don't fish. But we've knocked down drugs by water. The oceans, the sea, by 97.2%. Think of that. And I actually say, "Who the hell are the 3%?" Because I would not want to be piled in one of those boats. We knocked them down and now we're going to start on land. We're going to knock it all out. The land is the easy part. What we did on sea is incredible. And that's our great military.”

 

I am sure we can all agree on that.

[sadoldgit]

23 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

I believe Western Europe has taken the US for granted on this point 

Does backing them up in Iraq and Afghanistan make us “ungrateful?”

As for them doing us favours, we haven’t long finished paying them back for the money loaned from WW2. Do you think the US have been hard done by by us?

Edited 2 hours ago by sadoldgit

[sadoldgit]

28 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

I believe Western Europe has taken the US for granted on this point 

America are a superpower. Why? Because they wanted to keep Communism at bay and keep a sphere of influence in the oil rich Middle East. Why should we be “grateful” if they want to be Billy Big Bollocks? 
How much money are the US munitions industries making out of Ukraine? They are not doing anyone a favour. They are treating it as a business deal.

Edited 2 hours ago by sadoldgit
Typo

[Farmer Saint]

Honestly, we have taken them for granted, but it doesn't justify this.

Think we'd do well to create a European army now...

[benjii]

1 minute ago, Farmer Saint said:

Honestly, we have taken them for granted, but it doesn't justify this.

Think we'd do well to create a European army now...

Should rejoin EU pronto.

[badgerx16]

Still won't let go. Speaking about Ukraine;

"It’s a war that should have never started, and it wouldn’t have started if the 2020 U.S. presidential election weren’t rigged. It was a rigged election. Everybody now knows that. They found out. People will soon be prosecuted for what they did. It’s probably breaking news, but it should be. It was a rigged election. You can’t have rigged elections."

[Holmes_and_Watson]

53 minutes ago, benjii said:

"But equally importantly, we're cracking down on more than $19 billion in fraud that was stolen by Somalian bandits. Can you believe that Somalian, they turned out to be higher IQ than we thought. We say these are low IQ people. How did they go into Minnesota and steal all that money? We have, you know, they’re pirates, they're good pirates, but we shoot them out of the water just like we shoot the drug boats out. They're not pirating too many boats lately, do you notice? When they go out into those boats, they want to take over a billion and a half dollar tanker, load it up with oil, and they say, "We're going to blow up your boat, they have powerful weapons." You hit the side of the boat, you blow the whole thing up. The insurance companies are petrified, so they say, "Just give them the boat, we'll give them money instead." And I don't do that. We blow them right to hell out of the water. We see them going out, we blow them out of the water. We don't have any pirates so much anymore. We do. They won't be there long. We've cut down with the hitting of the boats that are loaded up with drugs, including submarines. Can you believe they actually buy some, they call mini subs. very fast. They're meant for drugs. We've knocked out to them the Democrats. They were fishing. You have ruined somebody's fishing. We can't, I would say, a submarine is not a fishing boat. You don't fish. But we've knocked down drugs by water. The oceans, the sea, by 97.2%. Think of that. And I actually say, "Who the hell are the 3%?" Because I would not want to be piled in one of those boats. We knocked them down and now we're going to start on land. We're going to knock it all out. The land is the easy part. What we did on sea is incredible. And that's our great military.”

 

I am sure we can all agree on that.

Hard to say. I stopped being able to read it, after I'd backed slowly away to a safe distance.

[sadoldgit]

31 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Honestly, we have taken them for granted, but it doesn't justify this.

Think we'd do well to create a European army now...

Farage is against a European army.

[sadoldgit]

32 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Honestly, we have taken them for granted, but it doesn't justify this.

Think we'd do well to create a European army now...

Maybe, but why? They have been happy to do what they want to do when they want to do it and we have gone along with them every time. Seems like we see that support as payback.

As for Trump. There needs to be a giant screen behind him that instantly fact checks his words and flashes up “LIE” every time he tells one.

[badgerx16]

20 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Maybe, but why? They have been happy to do what they want to do when they want to do it and we have gone along with them every time. Seems like we see that support as payback.

As for Trump. There needs to be a giant screen behind him that instantly fact checks his words and flashes up “LIE” every time he opens his mouth.

FIFY

[Gloucester Saint]

4 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Starmer needs to get off his knees first. 

Not a Starmer fan at all either…but you trying dealing with that. No UK politician could effectively all of the time because Trump is a psychopath and extreme narracist. He’d hate Badenoch for obvious reasons, Farage he has fall outs with as well and Musk keeps mauling him because he wants to replace him and Tice with Tommy Robinson (calm that blood pressure Soggy!) and he wouldn’t get on any better with Davey. 

If Biden had said half of the batshit, wardrobe mad shit Trump just did the whole of MAGA would have been clamouring for the loony bin. Not as if January 2021 wasn’t a massive clue either…that country is fucked.

Which would be their choice but this time it’s fucked everyone else as well. 

[Gloucester Saint]

2 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

The USA are NATO, everyone else are just the supporting act at best, which is through decades of government choices.

Tell that to the Afghanistan and Iraq veterans I’m friends with. I don’t think you would…

[skintsaint]

2 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

The USA are NATO, everyone else are just the supporting act at best, which is through decades of government choices.

https://armedforces.eu/compare/country_NATO_vs_USA

Granted its not so simple as these numbers but NATO isn't that small without the US. I believe NATO countries even outproduce the Yanks in ammunition production now.

The US without any allies loses a lot of projection around the world also.

Edited 39 minutes ago by skintsaint

[Gloucester Saint]

3 minutes ago, skintsaint said:

https://armedforces.eu/compare/country_NATO_vs_USA

Granted its not so simple as these numbers but NATO isn't small without the US. I believe NATO countries even outproduce the Yanks in ammunition production now.

The US without any allies loses a lot of projection around the world also.

China is the major winner and will be left as the sole superpower. Russia is getting some gains by Trump’s oscillating on Ukraine but Xi is the biggest beneficiary. 77m pricks just ended American greatness, and there was them thinking they were getting a few dollars off of their groceries (now at record price levels).

Stupid does as stupid says.

Edited 36 minutes ago by Gloucester Saint

[sadoldgit]

Starmer may have been on his (diplomatic) knees but at least he is not on his knees in front of Trump for the same reason Farage is!

Starmer gave a very impressive speech in response and performance in PMQ’s today. I’d rather our PM played the statesman than sucked Trump’s dick.

If anyone wants to know what we can expect under a government led by Farage, just look at the US now. Farage is a Poundland Trump.

[AlexLaw76]

22 minutes ago, skintsaint said:

https://armedforces.eu/compare/country_NATO_vs_USA

Granted its not so simple as these numbers but NATO isn't that small without the US. I believe NATO countries even outproduce the Yanks in ammunition production now.

The US without any allies loses a lot of projection around the world also.

NATO countries outside of the US pretty much rely on the US for the hardware, technology, Satellite access and more so, Command and Control and everything else.

We used to be the 2nd biggest partner in NATO. We may still be but we have, by choice, pathetically weakened our forces over decades to a point where we can barely field a Division, send more than the odd ship to sea (outside of years long planning set-piece deployments), and have almost no strike and heavy lift air capability. and have absolutely no sustainability across any of it. It as stated we would last about a week in a high kinetic war....and we are one of the leading NATO nations beyond the US.

[egg]

2 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

I believe Western Europe has taken the US for granted on this point 

Agreed. We and Europe have relied on the US coming to our rescue under article 5, and spent significantly less on our military.

Trump's only vaguely credible point re Greenland is that if it's invaded, it'll be the US at the heart of solving the problem. 

[Gloucester Saint]

1 minute ago, egg said:

Agreed. We and Europe have relied on the US coming to our rescue under article 5, and spent significantly less on our military.

Trump's only vaguely credible point re Greenland is that if it's invaded, it'll be the US at the heart of solving the problem. 

America already has plenty of access and presence. Owning it wouldn’t make any practical difference to deterring China on a defence level. He wants a greater share of minerals. But that could be done in so many better ways than humiliating his own country on the global stage.