Weston Super Saint Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 Lol. Sounds like a complete disaster already for a law that literally duplicates an existing one. I love the fact that not one single person in Police Scotland was available to discuss this with the BBC but they will definitely be investigating every single report! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmes_and_Watson Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 (edited) 43 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said: Lol. Sounds like a complete disaster already for a law that literally duplicates an existing one. I love the fact that not one single person in Police Scotland was available to discuss this with the BBC but they will definitely be investigating every single report! Imagine everyone on X and all the others, with a direct line to a police force, who have commited to look into every one of their complaints, about topics and people they don't like. Introduce this legislation in the heart of a country run by incompetent/crooked troughers determined to push an agenda held by a few at the centre, and their political partners, who prop up the party in power with their minority vote. Don't forget to remove one side of one of the key arguments from protected status while protecting the other. Don't forget to renege on promises from the first minister to engage with one side, while stacking advisory groups entirely with those on the opposing side. Those enforcing it have seen a PowerPoint presentation, and about the only chance of the data not being held and used against citizens later on, is if the police servers melt under the volume of malicious complaints. The Police Scotland video talks about a focus on "night time economy." But it says online abuse counts, and it can actually be anywhere. Ibrox and Parkhead will resound with shouts of abuse, followed by the tapping of furious hate crime reporting. Post counts of online groups will fluctuate from highs of horror, outrage and abuse to lows when all sides are having to help the poor husks that remain policing the country with their enquiries. But this is about more than that. It's even beyond the front lines of sex and gender. It's about free speech across a number of areas, and the consequences of expressing it. Edited March 16 by Holmes_and_Watson The Thought Police made me make a spelling mistake. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 A Dutch trans darts player won a PDC womens' tournament 7 days after winning a mens' event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted March 25 Author Share Posted March 25 6 minutes ago, badgerx16 said: A Dutch trans darts player won a PDC womens' tournament 7 days after winning a mens' event. to be fair most female darts players look like blokes anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmes_and_Watson Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 I've been keepoing up with the incoming Hate Crimes Bill that the SNP are going to be introducing. As horrific as the last links were, it gets worse and worse. Since social media is covered by the bill, I had wondered about what would happen if someone in Scotland happened to be offended by something posted elsewhere. I thought that would be the end of that. At least it would be contained. Not so. It turns out that anything that appears on the internet and is read in Scotland is deemed to have been published in Scotland (Apparently this is the same in England and ales. Except they don't have the hate crime bill looking to selectively target (because there will be countless offences) individuals and organisations who the scottish government and the funded groups that they go hand in hand with, will go after. https://wingsoverscotland.com/into-darkness/ and the link in it to https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2024/03/scotlands-hate-speech-act-and-abuse-of-process/ From Craig Murray's article. "So a person in Tahiti who publishes a tweet which is opened by and offends somebody in Scotland because it offends a protected characteristic, had committed a crime in Scotland, even though they never left their home in Tahiti and may never have been anywhere near Scotland. "If you think that is bad, let me tell you it gets infinitely worse. In addition to holding that Scots courts have jurisdiction over anything published on the internet anywhere in the world, because if it can be read here it is published in Scotland, Scottish judges have also invented the doctrine of “continuing publication”. As it is the act by the reader of opening the matter online which constitutes publication, every time it is opened by someone in Scotland from the internet that constitutes a new publication. So any “hate speech” that has been online for ten years constitutes a new offence if you read it in Scotland now. “Hate speech” as defined in the Act, anywhere on the Internet, no matter when or where it was published, is going to be a new crime in Scotland if someone opens it or reads it after 1 April." It's pretty repressive, regardless of your views on some of the topics most likely to be part of this. The Wings site certainly has views on gender/ sex. It was also key in getting the funding of the SNP investigated, leading to the (still ongoing) Operation Branchform and the resignation of the Sturgeons. Even though it's based in England, its now concerned about it's future. It gives an example of the costs of this, even without this upcoming act. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingpong Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 10 hours ago, Holmes_and_Watson said: I've been keepoing up with the incoming Hate Crimes Bill that the SNP are going to be introducing. As horrific as the last links were, it gets worse and worse. Since social media is covered by the bill, I had wondered about what would happen if someone in Scotland happened to be offended by something posted elsewhere. I thought that would be the end of that. At least it would be contained. Not so. It turns out that anything that appears on the internet and is read in Scotland is deemed to have been published in Scotland (Apparently this is the same in England and ales. Except they don't have the hate crime bill looking to selectively target (because there will be countless offences) individuals and organisations who the scottish government and the funded groups that they go hand in hand with, will go after. https://wingsoverscotland.com/into-darkness/ and the link in it to https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2024/03/scotlands-hate-speech-act-and-abuse-of-process/ From Craig Murray's article. "So a person in Tahiti who publishes a tweet which is opened by and offends somebody in Scotland because it offends a protected characteristic, had committed a crime in Scotland, even though they never left their home in Tahiti and may never have been anywhere near Scotland. "If you think that is bad, let me tell you it gets infinitely worse. In addition to holding that Scots courts have jurisdiction over anything published on the internet anywhere in the world, because if it can be read here it is published in Scotland, Scottish judges have also invented the doctrine of “continuing publication”. As it is the act by the reader of opening the matter online which constitutes publication, every time it is opened by someone in Scotland from the internet that constitutes a new publication. So any “hate speech” that has been online for ten years constitutes a new offence if you read it in Scotland now. “Hate speech” as defined in the Act, anywhere on the Internet, no matter when or where it was published, is going to be a new crime in Scotland if someone opens it or reads it after 1 April." It's pretty repressive, regardless of your views on some of the topics most likely to be part of this. The Wings site certainly has views on gender/ sex. It was also key in getting the funding of the SNP investigated, leading to the (still ongoing) Operation Branchform and the resignation of the Sturgeons. Even though it's based in England, its now concerned about it's future. It gives an example of the costs of this, even without this upcoming act. Is it not referring to hate speech though, not offensive speech? Being offended by someone in tahiti would be unaffected, it's not a hate crime. They've even stated you can continue to be transphobic and you will not be charged, it's aimed at actual hate speech and incitement/harassment? And hasnt england already had similar for 20 odd years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 22 hours ago, badgerx16 said: A Dutch trans darts player won a PDC womens' tournament 7 days after winning a mens' event. A sport in which it has always been complete nonsense separating genders anyway. I get the point with football and athletics but who the f**k can’t compete physically with Andy ‘The Viking’ Fordham? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmes_and_Watson Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 8 hours ago, pingpong said: Is it not referring to hate speech though, not offensive speech? Being offended by someone in tahiti would be unaffected, it's not a hate crime. They've even stated you can continue to be transphobic and you will not be charged, it's aimed at actual hate speech and incitement/harassment? And hasnt england already had similar for 20 odd years? It's added to the characteristics already protected under the Public Order Act 1986. Under this one, should a reader in Scotland arbitrarily deem that criticism “abusive” or “likely” – even unintentionally – “to stir up hatred” they can report it as a hate crime. The offence of stirring up hatred includes "insulting" behaviour – not just that which is deemed threatening or abusive – as well as behaviour "likely to result in hatred being stirred up", regardless of intent. From Police Scotland:- Hate crimes can be verbal or physical and include: verbal abuse or insults including name-calling online abuse on sites like Facebook or Twitter There aren't many online platforms without any number of people who'd like nothing more than be offended by it. The police have to investigate it. And they have previously said their training was not fit for purpose. Sex is not protected under it. So, there's disparity when it comes to discussing issues relating to that, specifically because transgender identity is protected. Despite there being some mitigation regarding opinion and criticism, it's not clear what the thresholds are and, considering the group's supported by the SNP (tax payers paying for advisory groups entirely peopled with only one view, with the SNP happily using that advice). It's not likely Police Scotland will be going to Tahiti to arrest someone. £800k of that public money has gone to Edinburgh Uni, to go to Samoa and Hawaii to "decolonise" the works of Robert Louis Stevenson. However, if the post from Tahiti is read in Scotland, it could still be deemed a Hate Crime. They're not likely to go after JK Rowling either. It will be interesting to see if they stray south of the border for anyone else though. The worry is that you're going to have extremes on both sides of a number of issues making stacks of malicious complaints. It's not clear how the police retain the data and how it will impact those being investigated. They are going to be logged against individuals as Non Crime Hate Incidents, at the very least. The SNP has made it very clear which side it's on, in a number of these issues. The worries are that it stiffles debate, with people fearful of repercussions. And this might just be the start. The wings article outlines the impact of repeated investigations, even if no crimes have been committed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 I can see some police officers from Scotland booking some flights to Bali to "investigate" some hate crimes - given they have promised to investigate every report!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmes_and_Watson Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 5 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said: I can see some police officers from Scotland booking some flights to Bali to "investigate" some hate crimes - given they have promised to investigate every report!! Or just to get away from the paperwork. I don't envy them. They 've still got the complaints from both sides, that the vicious hate crimes that simply offered an opinion, aren't being investigated properly - ie leading to charges. Then there's all the FOI requests on the number of reports. Then there's the Subject Access Requests for anyone worried about having a non crime hate crime against them. Then the legal action to get all that removed from people's files. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint in Paradise Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 Well this is a massive surprise - aren't we being told that women who used to be men don't have any advantages? Well according to the P.C. mob https://www.msn.com/en-nz/sports/football/opponents-furious-as-transgender-women-dominate-tournament/ar-BB1kDA3g?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=89ed6526d2a54d928299053119beff2b&ei=21 Five transgender women participated in a women’s soccer tournament in Australia where they helped lead their team to victory in every game to win the championship. Flying Bats FC featured five transgender women and dominated the pre-season Beryl Ackroyd Cup tournament in Sydney, Australia recently. The team won every game in the four-week tournament – most of which had extremely lopsided scores, including the 4-0 win in the championship game – and one of the transgender women scored six goals in one of the matches. Flying Bats FC calls itself “the biggest LGBTQIA+ women’s and non-binary football club in the world.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 On 28/03/2024 at 01:09, Saint in Paradise said: Well this is a massive surprise - aren't we being told that women who used to be men don't have any advantages? Well according to the P.C. mob I think the people who claim that transgender women don't have a sporting advantage are well in the minority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted March 29 Author Share Posted March 29 On 28/03/2024 at 01:09, Saint in Paradise said: Well this is a massive surprise - aren't we being told that women who used to be men don't have any advantages? Well according to the P.C. mob https://www.msn.com/en-nz/sports/football/opponents-furious-as-transgender-women-dominate-tournament/ar-BB1kDA3g?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=89ed6526d2a54d928299053119beff2b&ei=21 Five transgender women participated in a women’s soccer tournament in Australia where they helped lead their team to victory in every game to win the championship. Flying Bats FC featured five transgender women and dominated the pre-season Beryl Ackroyd Cup tournament in Sydney, Australia recently. The team won every game in the four-week tournament – most of which had extremely lopsided scores, including the 4-0 win in the championship game – and one of the transgender women scored six goals in one of the matches. Flying Bats FC calls itself “the biggest LGBTQIA+ women’s and non-binary football club in the world.” They didn't used to be men! They have always been women but trapped in a mans body!! Come on person it's 2024, the lack of awareness is staggering!! It's fantastic that these women are now allowed to compete in their true gender. The other women in the competition should stop being so bitter and improve rather than blame the fact the winners are trans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 Today is an important day in the Christian calendar Happy Trans Visibility Day to everyone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 When one thing moves and one thing doesn't, sometimes they are on the same day. Shocker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmes_and_Watson Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 A good opportunity for broader discussions on when Jesus came back from the dead, not as a zombie, what biological sex/gender Jesus had second time round. 🙂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 Here’s some dates to put in your calendar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 14 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said: Here’s some dates to put in your calendar. FFS!! 🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted April 1 Author Share Posted April 1 On 31/03/2024 at 10:02, Lord Duckhunter said: Today is an important day in the Christian calendar Happy Trans Visibility Day to everyone I noticed there was an advert for this inbetween programs on C4 last night. What does this shit even mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdmickey3 Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 On 31/03/2024 at 10:02, Lord Duckhunter said: Today is an important day in the Christian calendar Happy Trans Visibility Day to everyone The state of the “thing” on the far left…….. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 2 hours ago, Turkish said: I noticed there was an advert for this inbetween programs on C4 last night. What does this shit even mean? I think it’s highlighting to white male bigots that there are Trans people in the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 1 hour ago, Lord Duckhunter said: I think it’s highlighting to white male bigots that there are Trans people in the world. It's good to be reminded. Some of them aren't even noticeable - like the one on the left in the picture, really blends in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c51j64lk2l8o "JK Rowling has challenged Scotland's new hate crime law in a series of social media posts - inviting police to arrest her if they believe she has committed an offence. The Harry Potter author, who lives in Edinburgh, described several transgender women as men, including convicted prisoners, trans activists and other public figures. She said "freedom of speech and belief" was at an end if accurate description of biological sex was outlawed.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmes_and_Watson Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 2 hours ago, badgerx16 said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c51j64lk2l8o "JK Rowling has challenged Scotland's new hate crime law in a series of social media posts - inviting police to arrest her if they believe she has committed an offence. The Harry Potter author, who lives in Edinburgh, described several transgender women as men, including convicted prisoners, trans activists and other public figures. She said "freedom of speech and belief" was at an end if accurate description of biological sex was outlawed.' I've seen a few posts of people on one side with lists of people they were just waiting to report. On the other, a few in support of Rowling, not just because of her stance on the issue, but because she has the resources to stand up to it. So she's continuing her stance also as a way of pointing out to the authorities that if you go after the poorer folk, they'll have to come after her. Elsewhere, I listened to an SNP minister on the today programme this morning. She abdicated any responsibility for certain areas, saying it was a police matter. Specifically called out on biological sex, which she said is up to the police to sort out. Perahps they got a biology powerpoint presentation too. Even though the SNP and the Police worked closely on it (as one of their allies even has a scenario in the guidance). She also said that the police had ore training than their 2 hour powerpoint. They also had... some help numbers they could use if they got stuck. Help numbers to others who have either 1) had a 2 hour power point training pack or 2) have a list of folk they want to go after. The minister also said that anyone outside of Scotland would not be subjected to this enforcement. Not necessarily that it wouldn;t be reported, have to get logged and retained against that person and investigated, if only to fall at an early hurdle. The first minister, who said that the retained data for non crime hate crimes is still an indicator of hate, called dissenters right wing actors. He seemed happy that there was a robust balance in stemming the supposed rise of hatred in the world against freedom of speech in his country. He felt the bar for successful prosecution was very high. It might be high because it's utterly unsound legislation. In the meantime, he failed to mention that the process of investigation could potentially be ruinous, repetitive and curb any sort of dissenting views based on what the authorities are hell bent on delivering regardless of what their population considers sane. It might take a while for reports and investigations to proceed. It will take a while before there's enough data for subject access requests and FOI requests to return the scale of the reporting. The only thing stopping the upcoming old firm match being interrupted to ask the crowd to stop typing, is that away fans are currently banned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 5 minutes ago, Holmes_and_Watson said: I've seen a few posts of people on one side with lists of people they were just waiting to report. On the other, a few in support of Rowling, not just because of her stance on the issue, but because she has the resources to stand up to it. So she's continuing her stance also as a way of pointing out to the authorities that if you go after the poorer folk, they'll have to come after her. Elsewhere, I listened to an SNP minister on the today programme this morning. She abdicated any responsibility for certain areas, saying it was a police matter. Specifically called out on biological sex, which she said is up to the police to sort out. Perahps they got a biology powerpoint presentation too. Even though the SNP and the Police worked closely on it (as one of their allies even has a scenario in the guidance). She also said that the police had ore training than their 2 hour powerpoint. They also had... some help numbers they could use if they got stuck. Help numbers to others who have either 1) had a 2 hour power point training pack or 2) have a list of folk they want to go after. The minister also said that anyone outside of Scotland would not be subjected to this enforcement. Not necessarily that it wouldn;t be reported, have to get logged and retained against that person and investigated, if only to fall at an early hurdle. The first minister, who said that the retained data for non crime hate crimes is still an indicator of hate, called dissenters right wing actors. He seemed happy that there was a robust balance in stemming the supposed rise of hatred in the world against freedom of speech in his country. He felt the bar for successful prosecution was very high. It might be high because it's utterly unsound legislation. In the meantime, he failed to mention that the process of investigation could potentially be ruinous, repetitive and curb any sort of dissenting views based on what the authorities are hell bent on delivering regardless of what their population considers sane. It might take a while for reports and investigations to proceed. It will take a while before there's enough data for subject access requests and FOI requests to return the scale of the reporting. The only thing stopping the upcoming old firm match being interrupted to ask the crowd to stop typing, is that away fans are currently banned. This unworkable and batshit insane law is obviously going to be repealed, it's just a question of when. Jk Rowling is 100% correct with what she says and should be applauded for speaking out when it would be so easy for her to stay quiet on the matter. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 19 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: This unworkable and batshit insane law is obviously going to be repealed, it's just a question of when. Jk Rowling is 100% correct with what she says and should be applauded for speaking out when it would be so easy for her to stay quiet on the matter. How appropriate that it came into effect today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 9 hours ago, hypochondriac said: This unworkable and batshit insane law is obviously going to be repealed, Didn’t Scottish labour vote in favour of this nonsense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 1 hour ago, Lord Duckhunter said: Didn’t Scottish labour vote in favour of this nonsense? 15 for, 3 against. 1 abstained. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingpong Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 Don't think jk rowling has done her cause any favours, nothing she said is even close to breaching the new law. If she really wanted to make the point she needs to actually threaten someone because of their gender identity, not just point it out. So all this will do is give snp a chance to show the law is proportionate. Think this will just go quiet until the telegraph or times do an foi in a few months time and manufacture some shocking headline about the 0.001٪ budget that gets 'wasted on wokery'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 40 minutes ago, pingpong said: Don't think jk rowling has done her cause any favours, nothing she said is even close to breaching the new law. If she really wanted to make the point she needs to actually threaten someone because of their gender identity, not just point it out. So all this will do is give snp a chance to show the law is proportionate. Think this will just go quiet until the telegraph or times do an foi in a few months time and manufacture some shocking headline about the 0.001٪ budget that gets 'wasted on wokery'. As with any such legislation the true test will be to see what gets past the Police and into the Courts. Once Case Law has been established we will have a better idea as to how the new Act sits. In the meantime there will be plenty of activists, publicity seekers, and chancers pushing and pulling to make their points public. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 6 hours ago, pingpong said: Don't think jk rowling has done her cause any favours, nothing she said is even close to breaching the new law. If she really wanted to make the point she needs to actually threaten someone because of their gender identity, not just point it out. So all this will do is give snp a chance to show the law is proportionate. Think this will just go quiet until the telegraph or times do an foi in a few months time and manufacture some shocking headline about the 0.001٪ budget that gets 'wasted on wokery'. What she said doesn't matter when it comes to hate crimes. As long as the person reporting the crime claims that they have been offended, then there is a case to be answered (and investigated). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmes_and_Watson Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 (edited) 2 hours ago, Weston Super Saint said: What she said doesn't matter when it comes to hate crimes. As long as the person reporting the crime claims that they have been offended, then there is a case to be answered (and investigated). The news tonight said that police Scotland will not be investigating her comments further. They did confirm they had received complaints. Which will be logged and have been investigated. But a good early bar set for investigations to not get past the first step. It probably won't stop the reporting from extremes, but should give some comfort for those named on the reports, who will have worried about the process as well as outcomes. Edited April 2 by Holmes_and_Watson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmes_and_Watson Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 9 hours ago, badgerx16 said: As with any such legislation the true test will be to see what gets past the Police and into the Courts. Once Case Law has been established we will have a better idea as to how the new Act sits. In the meantime there will be plenty of activists, publicity seekers, and chancers pushing and pulling to make their points public. 3000 reports so far on Day 1. All to be investigated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted April 2 Author Share Posted April 2 9 minutes ago, Holmes_and_Watson said: 3000 reports so far on Day 1. All to be investigated. great to see the under resourced police force are using their time wisely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmes_and_Watson Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 Just now, Turkish said: great to see the under resourced police force are using their time wisely From the land that won't investigate all crimes. Wear a camera, have a drone overhead and your own spy satellite and they might look into it. Where there's a long list of other crimes, where only a warning will be given (some surprises on the list) The bonnie country that if you're under 25, you've every chance of not going to prison regardless of what you do. Centralised, funding slashed under SNP control, with delays in response and areas without much support (proposal for 2 traffic vehicles to cover the whole country for 4 hours a day.) All trumped by Hate Crimes that will be investigated. Because that's what their political masters are more interested in rabidly promoting. Abusive men into women's prisons? Sure! Predators protected? Sure, as long as they identify with our favourite groups! The more you read, the more jaw dropping their lunacy gets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmes_and_Watson Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 (edited) A day further into Hate Crime Land: 4000 reports. In a country of millions, it might be tough to gauge if that's a lot considering the novelty of it and pent up hatred some people have. What suggests it is a lot, is that other areas have had to be drafted in to support Police Scotland's specialist team set up for this (and all moved away from already dropping levels of investigations). Presumably numbers will drop away, despite extremes on both sides pushing (old firm spikes expected) The first minister was widely reported for hate crimes. This seems to be for speeches made about there being too many white people in the Scottish Parliament. Police Scotland had already said they'd not be investigating older incidents. However they have also said that every report would be logged as a non crime hate incident. The first minister even supported this. But this isn't being applied to the first minister or JK Rowling. Some of her reported as hate crime comments were after this was introduced. It certainly applies to others. Opposition politicians already have prior non crime hate incidents logged against them. A day in, and the legislation is not being equally applied to all. So, at least one person, with comments made after the act, is treated differently. And when this has settled down, that's the bit that should be kept in mind. It's already being targeted. We'll see in due course who does have them recorded against them, and the circumstances around them. I hope all opposition parties find out, as the first minister considers their non crimes as indicators of hate. Bear in mind an example in the guidance related to a politician who gets to drive the SNP despite not being in it. In an interview, the same SNP representative as yesterday failed to understand the basics of the Act they feverishly pushed through. Back tracking, in the face of actually having to deal with the real world rather than getting everything they want passed. Yet now completely at odds with Police Scotland's guidance. Another dismal day from the party that painted windows on their delayed ferries to make it seem they were further along (appropriately being investigated for rigging shipping contracts). Finally, to see the PM emphasise the freedom of speech side of this. And at least one person on an extreme who said that they had a list of names waiting to be reported has been kindly asked by Police Scotland if they had considered not using social media. Like all swivel eyed, they are doubling down on the injustice of the response. In fairness, a don't use social media isn't an appropriate response to genuine reports, they said applied to social media. A day in, it shows how frustrated the police are with it. Edited April 3 by Holmes_and_Watson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 7 minutes ago, Holmes_and_Watson said: A day into Hate Crime Land: 4000 reports. In a country of millions, it might be tough to gauge if that's a lot considering the novelty of it and pent up hatred some people have. What suggests it is a lot, is that other areas have had to be drafted in to support Police Scotland's specialist team set up for this (and all moved away from already dropping levels of investigations). Presumably numbers will drop away, despite extremes on both sides pushing (old firm spikes expected) The first minister was widely reported for hate crimes. This seems to be for speeches made about there being too many white people in the Scottish Parliament. Police Scotland had already said they'd not be investigating older incidents. However they have also said that every report would be logged as a non crime hate incident. The first minister even supported this. But this isn't being applied to the first minister or JK Rowling. Some of her reported as hate crime comments were after this was introduced. It certainly applies to others. Opposition politicians already have prior non crime hate incidents logged against them. A day in, and the legislation is not being equally applied to all. So, at least one person, with comments made after the act, is treated differently. And when this has settled down, that's the bit that should be kept in mind. It's already being targeted. We'll see in due course who does have them recorded against them, and the circumstances around them. I hope all opposition parties find out, as the first minister considers their non crimes as indicators of hate. Bear in mind an example in the guidance related to a politician who gets to drive the SNP despite not being in it. In an interview, the same SNP representative as yesterday failed to understand the basics of the Act they feverishly pushed through. Back tracking, in the face of actually having to deal with the real world rather than getting everything they want passed. Yet now completely at odds with Police Scotland's guidance. Another dismal day from the party that painted windows on their delayed ferries to make it seem they were further along (appropriately being investigated for rigging shipping contracts). Finally, to see the PM emphasise the freedom of speech side of this. And at least one person on an extreme who said that they had a list of names waiting to be reported has been kindly asked by Police Scotland if they had considered not using social media. Like all swivel eyed, they are doubling down on the injustice of the response. In fairness, a don't use social media isn't an appropriate response to genuine reports, they said applied to social media. A day in, it shows how frustrated the police are with it. Jack Regan and Taggart would be turning in their graves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmes_and_Watson Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 11 minutes ago, whelk said: Jack Regan and Taggart would be turning in their graves Jardine: There's been a murder, at Firhill. Taggart: There's a murder at Firhill every fortnight. Jardine: Not the football! A body! Regan: No you don't. You're both going to sit here and look at social media on the back of these Hate Crime reports. Taggart: All the murderers are under 25 these days, so they'd get let off anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 This could fit on a number of threads 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted April 5 Author Share Posted April 5 This is nuts https://www.pressreader.com/uk/the-daily-telegraph/20240405/281513641173194 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallyboy Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 It would be nuts if it were true - it's clickbait based on a press release from a campaign group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
east-stand-nic Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 Just about everything in MSM is nuts and BS designed to keep people divided and in fear etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 11 minutes ago, east-stand-nic said: Just about everything in MSM is nuts and BS designed to keep people divided and in fear etc. So when will we see the reports that Saints have extended RM's contract ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
east-stand-nic Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 9 minutes ago, badgerx16 said: So when will we see the reports that Saints have extended RM's contract ? You do understand the term JUST about everything, yes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 27 minutes ago, east-stand-nic said: You do understand the term JUST about everything, yes? Strangely my Grammar School education granted me this arcane and wonderful set of abilities that enable me to read and understand written English. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
east-stand-nic Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 20 hours ago, badgerx16 said: Strangely my Grammar School education granted me this arcane and wonderful set of abilities that enable me to read and understand written English. So presumably you know the difference between Just about everything, and absolutely everything? If so, why ask me about the media talking about RM signing a new contract? I think u slightly messed up huh. Never mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 2 hours ago, east-stand-nic said: So presumably you know the difference between Just about everything, and absolutely everything? If so, why ask me about the media talking about RM signing a new contract? I think u slightly messed up huh. Never mind. When you discover your sense of humour, go back and read my post in the manner it was intended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 33 minutes ago, badgerx16 said: When you discover your sense of humour, go back and read my post in the manner it was intended. He's too busy booking into the weekend truth festival. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
east-stand-nic Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 54 minutes ago, badgerx16 said: When you discover your sense of humour, go back and read my post in the manner it was intended. You got it wrong, suck it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 4 minutes ago, east-stand-nic said: You got it wrong, suck it up. Don't be so touchy, princess. Most people don't even bother responding to your posts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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