What Is Happening To Our Country?

[Gloucester Saint]

30 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

I don’t give a toss who the suspect is, my heart just goes out to everyone impacted and the poor bystanders who will never unsee that, however much counselling they receive. You weren’t even mentioned, and in fact it was another poster who mentioned Southport. 

Yep, a laughing emoji. What more can you add? The bloke (ESN) needs professional help. 

Edited Tuesday at 11:26 by Gloucester Saint

[Whitey Grandad]

15 hours ago, Turkish said:

Seems to be the case as this appears to be the start of it

 

Yes. Kicking and thumping on a car can instill panic in any driver let alone someone who may be drunk or confused. 

How in earth did any vehicle get that close to that many people? 

[Gloucester Saint]

4 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

Yes. Kicking and thumping on a car can instill panic in any driver let alone someone who may be drunk or confused. 

How in earth did any vehicle get that close to that many people? 

Your last sentence is a big missing piece of the jigsaw. I’d be surprised if the roads around the parade weren’t closed bar the team bus and emergency services, so I’m trying to get my around why the vehicle is even there.

[badgerx16]

On 10/05/2025 at 12:48, east-stand-nic said:

 

@Gloucester Saint@badgerx16 I am no laughing at events (as you well know, you are just shit stiring). I am laughing at your silly comments about how others will be disappointed it was not a Muslim. You use a dreadful event to point score. Hang heads in shame.

Fuck off, twat.

[Turkish]

8 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Fuck off, twat.

He does have a point though. Your first post on this was not about the victims it was about white people being disappointed it wasn’t a Muslim. We can draw an inference from that that you are relived/pleased it wasn’t a Muslim can we not?

I also don’t you express any concern for the victims or anything else relating to the incident other than criticising other posters 

Edited Tuesday at 12:05 by Turkish

[badgerx16]

Just now, Turkish said:

He does have a point though. Your first post on this was not about the victims it was about white people being disappointed it wasn’t a Muslim. We can draw an inference from that that you are relived/pleased it wasn’t a Muslim can we not?

Everybody on here can draw whatever inference they like. I am not in control of their personal prejudces.

[Turkish]

1 minute ago, badgerx16 said:

Everybody on here can draw whatever inference they like. I am not in control of their personal prejudces.

But your first response was not about the incident it was about who did it and what reaction might be. 
 

plus you’ve posted several other times attacking posters, not one about the victims 

what the difference between being pleased it wasn’t a Muslim and being angry it was?

[aintforever]

4 minutes ago, Turkish said:

He does have a point though. Your first post on this was not about the victims it was about white people being disappointed it wasn’t a Muslim. We can draw an inference from that that you are relived/pleased it wasn’t a Muslim can we not?

I also don’t you express any concern for the victims or anything else relating to the incident other than criticising other posters 

We all know that if the driver had different skin pigmentation this thread would be an extra couple of pages by now.

[Turkish]

3 minutes ago, aintforever said:

We all know that if the driver had different skin pigmentation this thread would be an extra couple of pages by now.

That wasn’t the question

What’s the difference between your first reaction being pleased it wasn’t a Muslim to being angry it was?

[aintforever]

5 minutes ago, Turkish said:

That wasn’t the question

What’s the difference between your first reaction being pleased it wasn’t a Muslim to being angry it was?

It makes no difference to me what the race or religion of the nutcase was, unfortunately for some people it does.

[egg]

1 hour ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Yep, a laughing emoji. What more can you add? The bloke (ESN) needs professional help. 

Or removing from the forum. In fact, the same should apply to anyone making a habit of planting laughing emojis on threads which are of no laughing matter. 

[whelk]

2 minutes ago, aintforever said:

It makes no difference to me what the race or religion of the nutcase was, unfortunately for some people it does.

Good old you. Most people are interested in motives 

[aintforever]

9 minutes ago, whelk said:

Good old you. Most people are interested in motives 

True. Unfortunately some people have other agendas.

[badgerx16]

28 minutes ago, Turkish said:

....plus you’ve posted several other times attacking posters, not one about the victims 

 

I posted a comment about ESN's adding of laughing emojis and another calling him a twat. Hardly "several times.....attacking posters" ( plural ).

[AlexLaw76]

4 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

I’m glad the police learnt their lessons and were able to give more “information” about the alleged incident, compared to stuff that happened not so far away

Looks like the BBC agree

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgv4ddpyddo

[Turkish]

5 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

There are going to be a lot of disappointed people if the truth of this incident is as it seems.

 

4 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

 

 

2 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

Nic seems to find this whole episde amusing.

 

46 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Fuck off, twat.

 

37 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Everybody on here can draw whatever inference they like. I am not in control of their personal prejudces.

 

4 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

I posted a comment about ESN's adding of laughing emojis and another calling him a twat. Hardly "several times.....attacking posters" ( plural ).

Here are all your posts on this thread since the incident 

the first few were about the race of the poster and the reaction, expressing your view that people will disappointed at the race of the person

then your comments were about other posters

 

you’ve shown zero concern for the victims or incident, your sole interest appears to be about how people react to who the attacker was. With it could be stated, some happiness or relief it was not a brown person

Which takes us back to my question, what’s the difference between being angry it wasn’t a brown person, to being pleased it wasn’t?

[egg]

43 minutes ago, Turkish said:

He does have a point though. Your first post on this was not about the victims it was about white people being disappointed it wasn’t a Muslim. We can draw an inference from that that you are relived/pleased it wasn’t a Muslim can we not?

I also don’t you express any concern for the victims or anything else relating to the incident other than criticising other posters 

I'm not sure how you get to that inference. Previous incidents involving cars have led to people excitedly assuming the perpetrator is a brown Muslim. Sure, they're correct sometimes, but it's pretty tragic that people lurch to making those assumptions. Pointing out how some people usually react is entirely about those people, not the perpetrator of the incident. 

[badgerx16]

6 minutes ago, Turkish said:

 

 

 

 

 

Here are all your posts on this thread since the incident 

the first few were about the race of the poster and the reaction, expressing your view that people will disappointed at the race of the person

then your comments were about other posters

 

you’ve shown zero concern for the victims or incident, your sole interest appears to be about how people react to who the attacker was. With it could be stated, some happiness or relief it was not a brown person

Which takes us back to my question, what’s the difference between being angry it wasn’t a brown person, to being pleased it wasn’t?

Plenty of posters since Alex's opener who have commented, including ahout other posters, but not openly expressed concern for the victims.

Edited Tuesday at 12:53 by badgerx16

[Turkish]

2 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Plenty of posters since Alex's opener who have commented, including ahout other posters, but not openly expressed concern for the victims.

This isn’t about other posters my question is to you

[Turkish]

6 minutes ago, egg said:

I'm not sure how you get to that inference. Previous incidents involving cars have led to people excitedly assuming the perpetrator is a brown Muslim. Sure, they're correct sometimes, but it's pretty tragic that people lurch to making those assumptions. Pointing out how some people usually react is entirely about those people, not the perpetrator of the incident. 

It was a question, one that hasn’t been answered by anyone yet

it does seem An awful lot of people not just on here seem more pleased it wasn’t a brown Muslim than concerned about the incident 

[egg]

1 hour ago, Turkish said:

It was a question, one that hasn’t been answered by anyone yet

it does seem An awful lot of people not just on here seem more pleased it wasn’t a brown Muslim than concerned about the incident 

It was a question with you deciding what the answers can be. Those aren't the only answers. 

The incident was appalling and I'm sure everyone feels for those involved. What's more to say than that. 

[Turkish]

19 minutes ago, egg said:

It was a question with you deciding what the answers can be. Those aren't the only answers. 

The incident was appalling and I'm sure everyone feels for those involved. What's more to say than that. 

I didn’t decide anything, but no one has given an answer yet. the incident was awful but quite a few people including some on here, seem quite pleased it was a white bloke not a brown bloke 

[egg]

7 minutes ago, Turkish said:

I didn’t decide anything, but no one has given an answer yet. the incident was awful but quite a few people including some on here, seem quite pleased it was a white bloke not a brown bloke 

I've answered the point you make. I appreciate that the answer wasn't amongst your multiple choices, but it's my answer and I suspect other people's. 

Your last point misses the point I, and I'm sure Badger, make. I'm relieved though that this isn't terror related, as I'm sure anyone is, but I'm not "pleased it was a white not a brown bloke" - any suggestion is ridiculous and offensive. 

[whelk]

3 hours ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Your last sentence is a big missing piece of the jigsaw. I’d be surprised if the roads around the parade weren’t closed bar the team bus and emergency services, so I’m trying to get my around why the vehicle is even there.

He followed an ambulance apparently. 53 yo from West Derby

[Gloucester Saint]

4 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said:

Yes. Kicking and thumping on a car can instill panic in any driver let alone someone who may be drunk or confused. 

How in earth did any vehicle get that close to that many people? 

So it has emerged that it seems he has tailgated an ambulance responding to a heart attack report in the crowd which is how the cordon was lifted. Serious questions about why his credentials weren’t seemingly checked, the organisers might have assumed due to the type of vehicle that he was with the ambulance but dangerous assumption to make…

The cordon ought to have been put back in place the moment the ambulance passed through and his SUV stopped summarily and forcibly on the driver if necessary to bring the vehicle to a halt.

Arrested for attempted murder, dangerous driving and under influence of drugs.

Edited Tuesday at 15:48 by Gloucester Saint

[Turkish]

1 hour ago, egg said:

I've answered the point you make. I appreciate that the answer wasn't amongst your multiple choices, but it's my answer and I suspect other people's. 

Your last point misses the point I, and I'm sure Badger, make. I'm relieved though that this isn't terror related, as I'm sure anyone is, but I'm not "pleased it was a white not a brown bloke" - any suggestion is ridiculous and offensive. 

To you maybe but it doesn’t seem to be the case with plenty of others 

[Gloucester Saint]

Lightning up the topic slightly, wonder if a customer who is also a football fan has shouted ‘Fuck VAR!’? 
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c20q5q92y2yo

[Holmes_and_Watson]

2 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Lightning up the topic slightly, wonder if a customer who is also a football fan has shouted ‘Fuck VAR!’? 
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c20q5q92y2yo

Since our team is in the VAR free championship. I shall be switching to Championship level stores. 🙂

[whelk]

26 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Lightning up the topic slightly, wonder if a customer who is also a football fan has shouted ‘Fuck VAR!’? 
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c20q5q92y2yo

I love how they say “with some saying they would not use self-checkout again” 

Basically the source is one person on instagram 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

3 hours ago, whelk said:

I love how they say “with some saying they would not use self-checkout again” 

Basically the source is one person on instagram 

Is there a picture of them glum faced and holding out the loyalty card they will never use again? 🙂

 

[Turkish]

Seems like the guy charged was a father of 3, working in cyber security. He was a graduate after leaving the Royal Marines. Which makes his behaviour even stranger.

[whelk]

Guess we won’t no more until his trial. All seems very odd though and must’ve been off his head to make such irrational decisions

[skintsaint]

[Whitey Grandad]

24 minutes ago, whelk said:

Guess we won’t no more until his trial. All seems very odd though and must’ve been off his head to make such irrational decisions

He panicked.  Who wouldn't? 

[Weston Super Saint]

14 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

He panicked.  Who wouldn't? 

Anyone not off their face?

[trousers]

9 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Anyone not off their face?

They've dropped the 'driving under the influence of drugs' charge, haven't they?

[Turkish]

31 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

He panicked.  Who wouldn't? 

that's what i mean by seems odd seeing as how he was an ex Marine - they're trained not to panic under pressure situations. You're talking about training given to elite soldiers, not a 60 minute on line course. 

[trousers]

29 minutes ago, Turkish said:

that's what i mean by seems odd seeing as how he was an ex Marine - they're trained not to panic under pressure situations. You're talking about training given to elite soldiers, not a 60 minute on line course. 

Could PTSD have been a factor in his irrational reaction maybe? (I've no idea myself as I'm not familiar with how the condition can manifest itself) 

Edited 19 hours ago by trousers

[Patrick Bateman]

On 28/05/2025 at 08:20, whelk said:

I love how they say “with some saying they would not use self-checkout again” 

Basically the source is one person on instagram 

This type of "journalism" can go under both what is happening to our country and small things that annoy you ... they find 1 social media (blurgh) post or 1 person with an opinion and make a news article out of it.

Imagine the BBC doing this a couple of decades ago, walking into a random pub, finding some person, asking them a question and then making a national news article from it? ARGH! 😡

[AlexLaw76]

3 hours ago, trousers said:

They've dropped the 'driving under the influence of drugs' charge, haven't they?

Seems like it

he probably lost it and drive like a mutter for a few moments.

He will rightly get sent to prison very quickly 

[The Kraken]

2 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Seems like it

he probably lost it and drive like a mutter for a few moments.

He will rightly get sent to prison very quickly 

According to Beeb the trial won’t be until November. He is behind bars though, there was no application for bail.

[AlexLaw76]

2 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

According to Beeb the trial won’t be until November. He is behind bars though, there was no application for bail.

Ah right. No doubt will stay there for a fair few years 

[The Kraken]

Just now, AlexLaw76 said:

Ah right. No doubt will stay there for a fair few years 

Yeah, the article said there is a huge amount of work to be done in interviewing witnesses and reviewing all the footage from cctv and peoples phones. Given the sheer amount of footage that has been released already (which I refuse to watch) he’s band to rights, but they seem intent on ramping up the severity of each charge to the maximum (rightly so).

[Gloucester Saint]

2 hours ago, trousers said:

Could PTSD have been a factor in his irrational reaction maybe? (I've no idea myself as I'm not familiar with how the condition can manifest itself) 

100% I’d be drawing on that if I were his defence - huge crowds, hitting the car’s roof - and it caused a conflict flashback. The issue is why tailgate the ambulance into a highly restricted area - or what should have been - following that line of defence?