Israel

[sadoldgit]

5 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

More antisemitism. 

 

Which falls within the international definition of anti semitism. No doubt you’ll excuse this as “clumsy language “ again, but it’s clearly a pattern. 
 

There’s no doubt exactly what he is….

So you are saying that it is perfectly ok to persecute people if you have suffered persecution in the past? There are plenty of Jewish people who dispute that and I have posted their comments here. This constant use of claiming that people are antisemitic if they criticise Netanyahu and his cronies for there actions and breaking international laws is wearing thin. If he is found guilty of committing genocide, which is possible, him and no doubt you, will still be crying antisemitism.

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/benjamin-netanyahu-keir-starmer-gaza-war-hamas-israel-b2755925.html

Same old same old. It is perfectly ok to criticise Muslims but you are not allowed to criticise Netanyahu and his other international law breaking cronies. Netanyahu, his government and the IDF are above the law and above criticism and that is ok and even funny to the forum dickheads.

Edited May 24 by sadoldgit

[Weston Super Saint]

52 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

So you are saying that it is perfectly ok to persecute people if you have suffered persecution in the past? There are plenty of Jewish people who dispute that and I have posted their comments here. This constant use of claiming that people are antisemitic if they criticise Netanyahu and his cronies for there actions and breaking international laws is wearing thin. If he is found guilty of committing genocide, which is possible, him and no doubt you, will still be crying antisemitism.

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/benjamin-netanyahu-keir-starmer-gaza-war-hamas-israel-b2755925.html

Same old same old. It is perfectly ok to criticise Muslims but you are not allowed to criticise Netanyahu and his other international law breaking cronies. Netanyahu, his government and the IDF are above the law and above criticism and that is ok and even funny to the forum dickheads.

Nope. Still doesn't get it.

[The Kraken]

9 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Nope. Still doesn't get it.

Does get it.  Just chooses to obfuscate and deny the reality of consistently and deliberately using antisemitic tropes and language.

[Lord Duckhunter]

1 hour ago, sadoldgit said:

So you are saying that it is perfectly ok to persecute people if you have suffered persecution in the past?

More antisemitism. It’s getting beyond a joke now. Are you incapable of discussing this subject without resorting to the gutter? Shameful……

[Holmes_and_Watson]

39 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Nope. Still doesn't get it.

 

28 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

Does get it.  Just chooses to obfuscate and deny the reality of consistently and deliberately using antisemitic tropes and language.

The only doubt is the extent of SOG's lack of self awareness. Sadly, no doubt at all about his anti semitism.

[The Kraken]

3 minutes ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

 

The only doubt is the extent of SOG's lack of self awareness. Sadly, no doubt at all about his anti semitism.

He’s completely aware of what he’s doing. As egg said, his choice of language seems very deliberate.

I recall a previous thread to this one, maybe the Corbyn thread, I can’t recall. SoG did his “the Jews” thing and was called up on it multiple times, he wouldn’t accept that his language was unacceptable and in the end played the victim and said “everyone knows I really mean Israeli when I say Jew”. He’s been talking this way for years without any sort of effort to change his tone, his self awareness is perfectly intact.

[Farmer Saint]

Another day, another horrendous attack...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz9yjj54v3xo

 

[aintforever]

Given the green light by the US to kill with impunity, might as well steal some more land:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1j5954edlno

If someone steals your land are you allowed fight back, or does that make you a terrorist?

[Weston Super Saint]

9 minutes ago, aintforever said:

Given the green light by the US to kill with impunity, might as well steal some more land:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1j5954edlno

If someone steals your land are you allowed fight back, or does that make you a terrorist?

Isn't the point that both parties believe they 'own' the land?

[aintforever]

29 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Isn't the point that both parties believe they 'own' the land?

Just like Russia believes it owns Ukraine you mean?

[Turkish]

On 24/05/2025 at 19:14, The Kraken said:

He’s completely aware of what he’s doing. As egg said, his choice of language seems very deliberate.

I recall a previous thread to this one, maybe the Corbyn thread, I can’t recall. SoG did his “the Jews” thing and was called up on it multiple times, he wouldn’t accept that his language was unacceptable and in the end played the victim and said “everyone knows I really mean Israeli when I say Jew”. He’s been talking this way for years without any sort of effort to change his tone, his self awareness is perfectly intact.

although it seems like he's taking a bit of a break from here after making an absolute cock of himself over the last month. 

[Lord Duckhunter]

37 minutes ago, aintforever said:

Just like Russia believes it owns Ukraine you mean?

No, nothing like that. 

[aintforever]

17 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

No, nothing like that. 

Are they not both illegal occupations under international law?

[benjii]

Israeli government and settlers: nasty, supremicist, fascist cunts.

Hamas: nasty, supremicist, fascist cunts.

Debate done.

[egg]

Israeli forces killing people desperate for aid for for the 3rd consecutive day. Horrendous. 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cvg5vyp33j1t?post=asset%3A8ff83e7e-c91e-4294-90f8-f697490c99f3#post

[rallyboy]

Another day, another war crime.

[egg]

2 minutes ago, rallyboy said:

Another day, another war crime.

Yep. The explanation given today is appalling. Essentially, unarmed people apparently walked where they shouldn't in a threatening way, so they shot them. Hard to understand why there isn't universal condemnation for what we're seeing on a daily basis. 

[Wiggles31]

It’s absolutely horrendous. There needs to be sanctions placed on Israel until this humanitarian crisis is solved. I see dumb old Trump accusing the BBC of misinformation. 

[whelk]

Long way away but best hope is that Natanyahu govt lose power at next election which is October 2026

[Farmer Saint]

1 hour ago, whelk said:

Long way away but best hope is that Natanyahu govt lose power at next election which is October 2026

Or he accidentally goes to a country that is happy to uphold ICC commitments.

[whelk]

17 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Or he accidentally goes to a country that is happy to uphold ICC commitments.

It’s not just him though - he has a like minded cabinet. And thankfully they are still a democracy. 

[inspectorfrost]

On 03/06/2025 at 18:04, egg said:

Yep. The explanation given today is appalling. Essentially, unarmed people apparently walked where they shouldn't in a threatening way, so they shot them. Hard to understand why there isn't universal condemnation for what we're seeing on a daily basis. 

Not really

Think about who supplied the bullets

[egg]

11 minutes ago, inspectorfrost said:

Not really

Think about who supplied the bullets

Widespread is probably more suitable than universal, but yes, until the US call out the Israeli government behaviour out for what it is, they'll carry on filling their boots.

[egg]

Half decent article on the BBC today. The emphasis is very much on that laws in wars are repeatedly being broken by Israel. Addressing the point that has been made on here at times re Israeli government justification, a Swiss diplomat says this when asked about Israel's justification that it is acting in self-defence to destroy a terrorist organisation that attacked and killed its people on 7 October.

"It is no justification for a disrespect or for a hollowing out of the Geneva Conventions," she said. "Neither party is allowed to break the rules, no matter what, and this is important because, look, the same rules apply to every human being under the Geneva Convention.

"A child in Gaza has exactly the same protections under the Geneva Conventions as a child in Israel."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0r1xl5wgnko

 

[AlexLaw76]

Yes or no?

[egg]

1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Yes or no?

She's becoming more likeable. 

[tdmickey3]

11 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Yes or no?

Did the boat have an engine?

[benjii]

http://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c8xgk1ek19lo

 

Edited Tuesday at 16:53 by benjii

[Farmer Saint]

On 08/06/2025 at 20:36, AlexLaw76 said:

Yes or no?

Still a bit young for you isn't she?

[inspectorfrost]

On 04/06/2025 at 22:24, egg said:

Widespread is probably more suitable than universal, but yes, until the US call out the Israeli government behaviour out for what it is, they'll carry on filling their boots.

Indeed, 

and any call out could be seen as admitting to be complicit

[inspectorfrost]

On 08/06/2025 at 22:19, egg said:

She's becoming more likeable. 

Fair play to her in one sense, the Israelis shot dead 9 people on the last flotilla that did similar 15 years ago

[egg]

The US Ambassador to Israel speaking about relocating Palestine to another "Muslim country". Also not keen on our sanctions against the Israeli ministers, because they've done nothing wrong apparently. 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cd628z2nwyvo

[Farmer Saint]

58 minutes ago, egg said:

The US Ambassador to Israel speaking about relocating Palestine to another "Muslim country". Also not keen on our sanctions against the Israeli ministers, because they've done nothing wrong apparently. 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cd628z2nwyvo

Should move them to the UK then - we are apparently (according to people on the right) turning into a Muslim state anyway.

[tdmickey3]

10 hours ago, Farmer Saint said:

Still a bit young for you isn't she?

Don`t be to critical of him all he sees is semen seaman from his sub

[benjii]

3 hours ago, egg said:

The US Ambassador to Israel speaking about relocating Palestine to another "Muslim country". Also not keen on our sanctions against the Israeli ministers, because they've done nothing wrong apparently. 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cd628z2nwyvo

I thought the US was against undocumented migration. 

[Farmer Saint]

2 hours ago, tdmickey3 said:

Don`t be to critical of him all he sees is semen seaman from his sub

Does he live on a sub?

[LuckyNumber7]

3 hours ago, Farmer Saint said:

Should move them to the UK then - we are apparently (according to people on the right) turning into a Muslim state anyway.

We are. Have a look around you. Look at what the most common boys name was last year.

[Farmer Saint]

2 minutes ago, LuckyNumber7 said:

We are. Have a look around you. Look at what the most common boys name was last year.

Was it Mohammed by any chance? Outside of that, how many of the other top names were Muslim? I'd guess a lot because otherwise it would just point to a lot of Muslims naming their boys after their prophet, rather than us becoming a Muslim state. Also, how many Muslim girls names were there in the top 100?

[Lord Duckhunter]

They should have let the lunatic & her floating boat of twats sail in and deliver their miniature box of aid. I’m sure the people of Gaza would have been really grateful and looked after her….

[benjii]

So, the Iran nuclear attacks have happened. This has always really been a question not of "if", but "when". 

US denying any involvement or support. 

Big question now is whether Iran's response is limited to attacks on Israel or whether things kick off in other countries.

[Farmer Saint]

1 hour ago, benjii said:

So, the Iran nuclear attacks have happened. This has always really been a question not of "if", but "when". 

US denying any involvement or support. 

Big question now is whether Iran's response is limited to attacks on Israel or whether things kick off in other countries.

Leave it to the US and Israel. Be interesting to see the Russian play on this, and how that affects the Trump/Putin relationship.

[benjii]

15 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Leave it to the US and Israel. Be interesting to see the Russian play on this, and how that affects the Trump/Putin relationship.

Russia can't really do much.

There will be some flare ups in Iraq. As long as Iran doesn't attack US bases in Bahrain/Kuwait it should stay relatively contained, but there is a chance that some idiot group like the Houthis bombs Saudi or UAE or something (either deliberately or by mistake trying to bomb Israel).

[egg]

1 hour ago, benjii said:

So, the Iran nuclear attacks have happened. This has always really been a question not of "if", but "when". 

US denying any involvement or support. 

Big question now is whether Iran's response is limited to attacks on Israel or whether things kick off in other countries.

For me it depends how much Israel escalates. Netanyahu's comments imply that he wants regime change in Iran, and we've seen what he's capable of in his pursuit of that in Gaza. I don't think there's much meaningful support for Iran from any of the others, but depending on what Israel do, I think there's a real risk of someone pressing the fuck it button and doing something daft. 

Edited Friday at 06:10 by egg

[Farmer Saint]

27 minutes ago, benjii said:

Russia can't really do much.

There will be some flare ups in Iraq. As long as Iran doesn't attack US bases in Bahrain/Kuwait it should stay relatively contained, but there is a chance that some idiot group like the Houthis bombs Saudi or UAE or something (either deliberately or by mistake trying to bomb Israel).

It's more to do with the relationship between Trump and Putin - I know they can't do anything from a military pov.

[Farmer Saint]

10 minutes ago, egg said:

For me it depends how much Israel escalates. Netanyahu's comments imply that he wants regime change in Iran, and we've seen what he's capable of in his pursuit of that in Gaza. I don't think there's much meaningful support for Iran from any of the others, but depending on what Israel do, I think there's a real risk of someone pressing the fuck it button and doing something daft. 

Israel's in need of a regime change more than Iran IMO.

[egg]

13 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Israel's in need of a regime change more than Iran IMO.

Absolutely! 

[hypochondriac]

Difficult one this. Obviously good if we can eliminate the Iranian regime from the world and thwart their aims of getting nukes. Definitely a reckless act to strike without the approval of others and in such a manner though, particularly as it will affect other countries other than just Iran and Israel. Certainly not possible to support the manner that this has been done but hopefully it can still have a reasonable outcome. 

[egg]

3 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Difficult one this. Obviously good if we can eliminate the Iranian regime from the world and thwart their aims of getting nukes. Definitely a reckless act to strike without the approval of others and in such a manner though, particularly as it will affect other countries other than just Iran and Israel. Certainly not possible to support the manner that this has been done but hopefully it can still have a reasonable outcome. 

Depends on your outlook, and what propaganda you swallow.

Iran are no more likely to use a nuke in anger than any other nuclear power imo. They want a deterrent as per North Korea. Pakistan and India will never go toe to toe on large scale due to their mutual nuclear threat. The same would apply re Israel and Iran, but the last god knows many years have been about building Israel (and to an extent Saudi) as the only real strength in the middle east, and bringing down any threat to that. You've only got to see the clear run that Israel now have to Iran, with the Iraqi airspace patrolled by the US.

As Farmer says, regime change in Israel is much more necessary than Iran. 

[benjii]

5 minutes ago, egg said:

Depends on your outlook, and what propaganda you swallow.

Iran are no more likely to use a nuke in anger than any other nuclear power imo. They want a deterrent as per North Korea. Pakistan and India will never go toe to toe on large scale due to their mutual nuclear threat. The same would apply re Israel and Iran, but the last god knows many years have been about building Israel (and to an extent Saudi) as the only real strength in the middle east, and bringing down any threat to that. You've only got to see the clear run that Israel now have to Iran, with the Iraqi airspace patrolled by the US.

As Farmer says, regime change in Israel is much more necessary than Iran. 

I don't think is correct.

Would Iran fire a nuke via its military? No.

Would an Iranian nuke potentially end up in the hands of a terrorist proxy? Yes.

[egg]

Just now, benjii said:

I don't think is correct.

Would Iran fire a nuke via its military? No.

Would an Iranian nuke potentially end up in the hands of a terrorist proxy? Yes.

I just don't see that given the inevitable consequences - Iran and it's people would be destroyed. Wanting Israel to not exist, but nuking it, are different things. I think the perceived Iranian threat has been instilled so much over so long that people see it as more than it is imo. The damage in that region is and has been caused by allowing the Israeli regime to do wtf they like with impunity for 50+ years, not from those opposing that conduct.