Israel

[skintsaint]

24 minutes ago, whelk said:

Imagine if there was social media in WW2

[Farmer Saint]

27 minutes ago, whelk said:

Imagine if there was social media in WW2

Fuck me, is that real? Fucking hell.

[Lord Duckhunter]

 

[Badger]

1 hour ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

 

Expect they’ll trotting out the “British citizen” card when he’s detained somewhere. 

[egg]

Interesting piece on CNN about the Israeli intelligence and efforts to take down Iranian defences from within. Their intelligence and military is as good as anyone's.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/06/13/middleeast/israel-attack-iran-mossad-analysis-latam-intl

[skintsaint]

 

 

[rallyboy]

Israel has accused Iran of deliberately targeting civilians...

 

[egg]

50 minutes ago, rallyboy said:

Israel has accused Iran of deliberately targeting civilians...

 

You couldn't make it up. 

[Farmer Saint]

According to Iran (yes, yes, I know) 90% of the Iranian victims are civilians. Odd when they're targeting infrastructure and nuclear sites.

[whelk]

28 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

According to Iran (yes, yes, I know) 90% of the Iranian victims are civilians. Odd when they're targeting infrastructure and nuclear sites.

Well they know there is a wide base waiting to lap up any anti-Israel news irrespective of veracity

[hypochondriac]

41 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

According to Iran (yes, yes, I know) 90% of the Iranian victims are civilians. Odd when they're targeting infrastructure and nuclear sites.

Not that odd at all given that's about average in a conflict unfortunately. Obviously that's if we believe the figures coming from the Iranians which is almost certainly wildly inflated.

[egg]

2 hours ago, Farmer Saint said:

According to Iran (yes, yes, I know) 90% of the Iranian victims are civilians. Odd when they're targeting infrastructure and nuclear sites.

If they're targeting leaders and scientists etc in their homes then there'll be civilian deaths as collateral. I don't think there's any dispute that it's happened in Gaza where buildings have been taken out to get to the odd Hamas bloke. 

[Lighthouse]

 

Fair play, she shat herself much less than I'd have done.

[benjii]

19 hours ago, Farmer Saint said:

According to Iran (yes, yes, I know) 90% of the Iranian victims are civilians. Odd when they're targeting infrastructure and nuclear sites.

This from the people who supplied barrel bombs to Assad to drop on his own civilians. 

[whelk]

11 hours ago, Lighthouse said:

 

Fair play, she shat herself much less than I'd have done.

I reckon Myrie would have straightened his tie, shuffled his papers and then made a dignified exit

[skintsaint]

ignore...

Edited Tuesday at 09:27 by skintsaint

[egg]

Wtf do the US / Israel have planned? Emptying Tehran to "end" things seems pretty ominous. I'm guessing it's extreme pressure, but. 

[skintsaint]

9 minutes ago, egg said:

Wtf do the Israel have planned?

To overthrow the supreme leader I feel.

[whelk]

6 minutes ago, skintsaint said:

To overthrow the supreme leader I feel.

Thing is with those Ayatollahs they all look the same 

[egg]

20 minutes ago, skintsaint said:

To overthrow the supreme leader I feel.

Israel are clear that they want regime change. It's the how. 

[Weston Super Saint]

18 minutes ago, egg said:

Israel are clear that they want regime change. It's the how. 

Donald will be moving in.

[Stripey McStripe Shirt]

"We know exactly where the so-called 'Supreme Leader' is hiding.

"He is an easy target, but is safe there - We are not going to take him out (kill!), at least not for now.

"But we don’t want missiles shot at civilians, or American soldiers. Our patience is wearing thin. Thank you for your attention to this matter!"

 

Well done Don, that ought to calm things down.

[AlexLaw76]

6 minutes ago, Stripey McStripe Shirt said:

"We know exactly where the so-called 'Supreme Leader' is hiding.

"He is an easy target, but is safe there - We are not going to take him out (kill!), at least not for now.

"But we don’t want missiles shot at civilians, or American soldiers. Our patience is wearing thin. Thank you for your attention to this matter!"

 

Well done Don, that ought to calm things down.

Not sure there is any intention to calm things 

[skintsaint]

7 minutes ago, Stripey McStripe Shirt said:

the so-called 'Supreme Leader'

Trump is such a patronising prick. I'm sure he would love this title.

[Saint86]

On 16/06/2025 at 14:05, hypochondriac said:

Not that odd at all given that's about average in a conflict unfortunately. Obviously that's if we believe the figures coming from the Iranians which is almost certainly wildly inflated.

Iran has been rounding up "Israeli" spies - which basically means they're shitting the bed and disappearing anyone that voices discontent against the regime using the war as a guise. If Israel and the States are hoping for regime change out of this, they'll need to do something to help - the people are completely cowed in Iran and have been for decades. The state's surveillance and suppression/imprisonment apparatus is extremely entrenched. One commentator was discussing how all the hits have essentially been regime supporters within the republican guard and that Israel is trying to take out the loyalists whilst leaving the regular Iranian army leadership in place - almost trying to incentivise a coup... if this really is the plan, i can only assume they've got some contacts or support mechanisms in place... for all of Israel's surgical and lethal intelligence manoeuvres, it would seem like a heck of a gamble to just trust the civvies to revolt?

Who knows, maybe it will happen, and Iran can have a democratic revolution that won't end in civil war, and can in fact return to this... and then everyone can finally stop fighting in the middle east and instead love each other for ever and ever? The end 🥰😄
https://petapixel.com/2022/10/14/photos-show-what-life-looked-like-for-iranian-women-before-1979-revolution/

Edited Tuesday at 17:04 by Saint86

[Lighthouse]

I'm so glad Trump came in and negotiated an end to all these wars, just like he promised.

[Weston Super Saint]

1 hour ago, Lighthouse said:

I'm so glad Trump came in and negotiated an end to all these wars, just like he promised.

Nobel peace prize is a given.

[hypochondriac]

Looks like there's at least a small chance that the Islamic occupation of Iran may be coming to an end. I think everyone of all stripes can be happy with that outcome. Years of brutal oppression of minorities and especially women and decades of suffering. Fingers crossed it will lead to a positive outcome. 

[benjii]

3 hours ago, Saint86 said:

Iran has been rounding up "Israeli" spies - which basically means they're shitting the bed and disappearing anyone that voices discontent against the regime using the war as a guise. If Israel and the States are hoping for regime change out of this, they'll need to do something to help - the people are completely cowed in Iran and have been for decades. The state's surveillance and suppression/imprisonment apparatus is extremely entrenched. One commentator was discussing how all the hits have essentially been regime supporters within the republican guard and that Israel is trying to take out the loyalists whilst leaving the regular Iranian army leadership in place - almost trying to incentivise a coup... if this really is the plan, i can only assume they've got some contacts or support mechanisms in place... for all of Israel's surgical and lethal intelligence manoeuvres, it would seem like a heck of a gamble to just trust the civvies to revolt?

Who knows, maybe it will happen, and Iran can have a democratic revolution that won't end in civil war, and can in fact return to this... and then everyone can finally stop fighting in the middle east and instead love each other for ever and ever? The end 🥰😄
https://petapixel.com/2022/10/14/photos-show-what-life-looked-like-for-iranian-women-before-1979-revolution/

Got anything smuttier?

[egg]

2 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

Looks like there's at least a small chance that the Islamic occupation of Iran may be coming to an end. I think everyone of all stripes can be happy with that outcome. Years of brutal oppression of minorities and especially women and decades of suffering. Fingers crossed it will lead to a positive outcome. 

As good as that sounds, it's right to remember that Khomeini replaced the Shah because the Iranians didn't like the level of Western influence, leading to the revolution. Assuming he goes, the west must respect the wishes of the Iranian people, and not impose what they want. There aren't many examples of western imposed regime change in the middle east/Asia working out well. 

[egg]

Macron has said that enforced regime change would bring "chaos". I fear he's correct.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cx23e4jz2g0t?post=asset%3Ae4c6cb5c-923f-4ddf-8c03-dcd9fa1f6157#post

[Gloucester Saint]

Heated debate raging within MAGA and the GOP https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1wp72224jzo

[egg]

Can anyone explain on what basis Israel can justify saying that Khomeini "cannot exist" after Iran hit a hospital, given thay they have smashed up pretty much every hospital in Gaza? It's a mad world. 

[whelk]

13 minutes ago, egg said:

Can anyone explain on what basis Israel can justify saying that Khomeini "cannot exist" after Iran hit a hospital, given thay they have smashed up pretty much every hospital in Gaza? It's a mad world. 

Israel aren’t hiding terrorists in their hospitals

I am sure you disagree but IDF are not targeting hospitals per se

[rallyboy]

1 hour ago, whelk said:

 

I am sure you disagree but IDF are not targeting hospitals per se

Can I be the first to politely disagree?

Israel have hit so many hospitals. health centres and medical facilities with no proof of links to terrorists, they've also targeted ambulances, and even executed paramedics.

They can not claim any moral high ground on this issue, and it's ridiculous that they would even attempt it.

[skintsaint]

1 hour ago, egg said:

Can anyone explain on what basis Israel can justify saying that Khomeini "cannot exist" after Iran hit a hospital, given thay they have smashed up pretty much every hospital in Gaza? It's a mad world. 

See Ukraine thread for Russians saying it's wrong for Israel to hit civilians. Same same innit.

[egg]

2 hours ago, whelk said:

Israel aren’t hiding terrorists in their hospitals

I am sure you disagree but IDF are not targeting hospitals per se

Indeed, I disagree. They've said they're targeting Hamas ops (military targets) in hospitals. Iran say that they targeted military targets. Both reprehensible. 

[inspectorfrost]

3 hours ago, whelk said:

Israel aren’t hiding terrorists in their hospitals

I am sure you disagree but IDF are not targeting hospitals per se

Are they? Or are Israel just saying they are? 

[egg]

5 minutes ago, inspectorfrost said:

Are they? Or are Israel just saying they are? 

Quite. Israel claims are deemed the truth. Everyone else's aren't. Regardless, bombing hospital's if hostages are there, and patients, seems a somewhat odd tactic. 

[aintforever]

3 minutes ago, egg said:

Quite. Israel claims are deemed the truth. Everyone else's aren't. Regardless, bombing hospital's if hostages are there, and patients, seems a somewhat odd tactic. 

They have been proven liars, it’s obvious they are not just targeting terrorists. 

[whelk]

4 minutes ago, egg said:

Quite. Israel claims are deemed the truth. Everyone else's aren't. Regardless, bombing hospital's if hostages are there, and patients, seems a somewhat odd tactic. 

How effective are Hamas these days? 

[Farmer Saint]

5 hours ago, egg said:

Can anyone explain on what basis Israel can justify saying that Khomeini "cannot exist" after Iran hit a hospital, given thay they have smashed up pretty much every hospital in Gaza? It's a mad world. 

 

5 hours ago, whelk said:

Israel aren’t hiding terrorists in their hospitals

I am sure you disagree but IDF are not targeting hospitals per se

TBF, the ICC seem to think a lot of what has happened contravenes the Geneva Convention, so I would say they are "recklessly" not targeting hospitals.

Either way, along with Trump, I hope they are all not long for this mortal coil.

Edited yesterday at 19:10 by Farmer Saint

[Farmer Saint]

1 hour ago, whelk said:

How effective are Hamas these days? 

About as effective as UN aid trucks.

[whelk]

Israel clearly don’t fuck around and overly care about collateral damage but estimated Palestinian deaths are 57k and of those thought to be 11-13k Hamas fighters.

Population of Gaza Strip is 2.1million. 

So as barbaric as some of the IDF tactics seem if they were just wilfully wanting to kill hospital patients and innocents those casualties would be massively higher.

 

[Farmer Saint]

1 hour ago, whelk said:

Israel clearly don’t fuck around and overly care about collateral damage but estimated Palestinian deaths are 57k and of those thought to be 11-13k Hamas fighters.

Population of Gaza Strip is 2.1million. 

So as barbaric as some of the IDF tactics seem if they were just wilfully wanting to kill hospital patients and innocents those casualties would be massively higher.

 

True - not a defence for being utter cunts though and not caring about collateral damage. They're creating 2 million Hamas supporters in the strip though - hence why they want to take over and rid the strip of the remaining Palestinians. 

If I were surrounded by 5 houses that didn't want me as a neighbour, instead of setting fire to all 5 houses and plead innocence, I'd just move house.

[hypochondriac]

9 hours ago, Farmer Saint said:

True - not a defence for being utter cunts though and not caring about collateral damage. They're creating 2 million Hamas supporters in the strip though - hence why they want to take over and rid the strip of the remaining Palestinians. 

If I were surrounded by 5 houses that didn't want me as a neighbour, instead of setting fire to all 5 houses and plead innocence, I'd just move house.

Not really an analogy that works. The country of Israel isn't a house. 

[egg]

18 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Not really an analogy that works. The country of Israel isn't a house. 

An analogy by it's very nature isn't literal. 

[hypochondriac]

11 minutes ago, egg said:

An analogy by it's very nature isn't literal. 

It's a comparison between two things in order to explain something. It doesn't work because the things that are being compared are not similar. 

[Farmer Saint]

5 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

It's a comparison between two things in order to explain something. It doesn't work because the things that are being compared are not similar. 

So if I was to compare you to a turnip would you have a problem with that?

[hypochondriac]

6 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

So if I was to compare you to a turnip would you have a problem with that?

If I were surrounded by 5 houses that didn't want me as a neighbour, instead of setting fire to all 5 houses and plead innocence, I'd just move house.

Explain to me how that is supposed to work with Israel?