The Starmer Years - Can The New Broom Sweep Clean?

[egg]

16 hours ago, Turkish said:

Rather than attacking other posters which is his modus operandi I’ve given him some sound advice.
 

Do you disagree that even implementing one of those tactics will improve his life? Imagine if he put all 5-8 into practise it would be transformative. I’m only trying to help. I’ve been quite gracious in the fact that I’m helping someone despite the fact he clearly despises me for no other reason that we don’t see eye to eye on a few things and I don’t tolerate his lies. This is the mark of a great man he could be too but he needs to work at it. People charge a lot of money for such support he gets it free on here 

Ha!! It's all good wholesome stuff. Add in doing someone else a good turn and not telling anyone, and that's a reasonably solid platform. 

[hypochondriac]

Yet more genius financial acumen from Labour 

[sadoldgit]

On 25/07/2025 at 09:40, east-stand-nic said:

Once again you show disgusting traits and double standards. Your political views are exceptionally childish for all to see. If the Tories had cut the allowance and someone had said something like that about deaths being lower than expected you would be all over them. What figure is acceptable? 500? So when your team does things that kill people, it is OK and justifiable as the figures were not as high as expected? You disgusting scum. 

My team, Southampton FC, has done something to kill people? OMG, what exactly have they done?

Whatever you think of a government policy, I am sure that they don’t deliberately set out to actually kill people. By your logic every government that has never paid a winter fuel allowance has set out to kill people. If you had one shred of basic intelligence you might have understood my point - that scare mongering by throwing completely random and unscientific figures around is neither helpful or responsible. A bit like you and your anti-vaccine conspiracy theories. If anyone is killing people it is the person who spreads lies about vaccines. You being one of those people.

By the way, I have mostly voted for the LibDem party so if you are going to label me politically, that is where you need to go. I have made it very clear that I vote Labour to get the Tories out and have only done so in the last 3 elections. I did actually say that my preference in the last election would be a Labour/LidDem coalition. I know that you struggle with actual facts and prefer to make up your own to suit your own agendas, but you just make yourself look dim.

P.S. I should have added that I am one of those who didn’t get the fuel allowance this winter. I don’t have a problem with the benefit being means tested though. I suppose you were ok with the likes of Alan Sugar and Richard Branson getting it too?

Edited July 26 by sadoldgit

[east-stand-nic]

9 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

My team, Southampton FC, has done something to kill people? OMG, what exactly have they done?

Whatever you think of a government policy, I am sure that they don’t deliberately set out to actually kill people. By your logic every government that has never paid a winter fuel allowance has set out to kill people. If you had one shred of basic intelligence you might have understood my point - that scare mongering by throwing completely random and unscientific figures around is neither helpful or responsible. A bit like you and your anti-vaccine conspiracy theories. If anyone is killing people it is the person who spreads lies about vaccines. You being one of those people.

By the way, I have mostly voted for the LibDem party so if you are going to label me politically, that is where you need to go. I have made it very clear that I vote Labour to get the Tories out and have only done so in the last 3 elections. I did actually say that my preference in the last election would be a Labour/LidDem coalition. I know that you struggle with actual facts and prefer to make up your own to suit your own agendas, but you just make yourself look dim.

You revelled in hoping that the deaths were lower than expected to make the people you hate look bad. Your focus is sick. You should be focusing on the fact no one should die through lack of heating. Your man starmer took away lives. Exactly what you said when Tories did similar. You are disgusting for all to see.

[Winnersaint]

On 25/07/2025 at 05:16, Turkish said:

You seek validation and approval. you are a weak person who wants to be seen to in the right light. Some tips for gaining self confidence 

1 lift weights 

2 gain morning sunlight or exercise 

3 take up a new hobby or learn a skill even  20 minutes of something simple alike Duolingo can’t be transformative for your type 

4 eat a protein rich diet 

5 limit alcohol 

6 seek connections with others who have different views to you, understand them and accept them

7 be aware of your own worth, do not feel you have to apologise for being alive 

8 and most important leave your past where it belongs. Whatever you have done before let it go. A river cannot flow if it worries about the dam that once interrupted its path 

here I give you the keys to the kingdom of self worth, all you have to do is open it 

Lift weights and don't forget your core.

[Turkish]

7 minutes ago, Winnersaint said:

Lift weights and don't forget your core.

Compound lifts work that too which is where most people go wrong. 

[egg]

20 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Compound lifts work that too which is where most people go wrong. 

Yep, the right weights done well should strengthen the core. Shouldn't be a need for sit-ups and the like. 

[badgerx16]

2 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

Yet more genius financial acumen from Labour 

The General Election was in July 2024. The Tories were in power during fin-year 23/24. The receipts have fallen under both parties.

Edited July 26 by badgerx16

[hypochondriac]

16 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

The General Election was in July 2024. The Tories were in power during fin-year 23/24. The receipts have fallen under both parties.

Yes. Are they likely to have increased in the last year do you reckon? 

[AlexLaw76]

Given labour / starmer cricised the government for not having a bank holiday when England ladies won the euros last time....

Bank holiday announcement imminent, yes?

[Farmer Saint]

On 26/07/2025 at 16:20, hypochondriac said:

Yes. Are they likely to have increased in the last year do you reckon? 

Your guess is as good as ours. I'm going for about the same.

The problem is, greedy people are always going to find a way around these issues. There is no real solution to this unless you go the China route.

[hypochondriac]

18 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Your guess is as good as ours. I'm going for about the same.

The problem is, greedy people are always going to find a way around these issues. There is no real solution to this unless you go the China route.

There's no solution to bringing in more capital gains revenue? 

[Weston Super Saint]

Looks like the nurses are going to vote to strike now as well. Should see them on the picket lines just in time for the winter viruses.

[AlexLaw76]

5 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Looks like the nurses are going to vote to strike now as well. Should see them on the picket lines just in time for the winter viruses.

not sure why, the adults are now in charge!

[AlexLaw76]

VPN usage has risen 1800% in the UK

I wonder why that is 👀 🍆

[tdmickey3]

12 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

VPN usage has risen 1800% in the UK

I wonder why that is 👀 🍆

Which one do you use when you are having a 

Edited July 28 by tdmickey3

[whelk]

1 hour ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Looks like the nurses are going to vote to strike now as well. Should see them on the picket lines just in time for the winter viruses.

 

59 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

not sure why, the adults are now in charge!

Don’t worry, in a few years time you can vote your beloved Tories back in to stabilise it all

[The Kraken]

26 minutes ago, whelk said:

Don’t worry, in a few years time you can vote your beloved Tories back in to stabilise it all

It's so hilariously transparent 😄

[hypochondriac]

17 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

It's so hilariously transparent 😄

I can't speak for others but I think the Tories in general are absolutely horrendous. It doesn't make Labour and their dumb decisions any better though. 

[Weston Super Saint]

8 hours ago, whelk said:

 

Don’t worry, in a few years time you can vote your beloved Tories back in to stabilise it all

Why did you include me in your 'beloved Tories' band of brothers?

I only posted the facts and offered no comment or opinion - other than the timing should put them on the picket lines in time for the winter viruses.

[egg]

17 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

There's no solution to bringing in more capital gains revenue? 

I think the point was that there's no solution to people choosing not to crystallise gains if they don't have to. People can only delay for so long though so my guess is that we may have a dip until people accept that they can't kick the can down the road indefinitely. The increase in the BADR tax rate was long overdue, and was so ridiculously easy to abuse. 

[AlexLaw76]

Looks decent. No wonder they are desperate to get here (and get pregnant in many cases)

 

[sadoldgit]

Women getting pregnant? Whatever next? Still, it is good to see you have moved on from posting about Asian sex offenders. 
I have stayed at the Copthorne. It’s a nice place. I hope that your mates don’t set fire to it.

[AlexLaw76]

45 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Women getting pregnant? Whatever next? Still, it is good to see you have moved on from posting about Asian sex offenders. 
I have stayed at the Copthorne. It’s a nice place. I hope that your mates don’t set fire to it.

You have not watched any of the video, have you

[sadoldgit]

3 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

You have not watched any of the video, have you

Yes, I watched some of it. So what? Would you prefer these people were left to roam the streets and sleep rough? Wasn’t it the last government who decided that it was a good idea to put them up in hotels and not bother to do anything about processing the claims? The current government are processing claims, sending people back who aren’t entitled to be here and are going to stop using hotels. Progress being made, yes?

By the way, some of these people have been put up in a dump of a hotel near us in Hythe but I doubt if he would be interested in videoing that.

Edited July 29 by sadoldgit

[AlexLaw76]

8 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Yes, I watched some of it. So what? Would you prefer these people were left to roam the streets and sleep rough? Wasn’t it the last government who decided that it was a good idea to put them up in hotels and not bother to do anything about processing the claims? The current government are processing claims, sending people back who aren’t entitled to be here and are going to stop using hotels. Progress being made, yes?

There is a massive step from to what is currently provided. There is plenty within that video that is waaaaay beyond 'doing our bit' to help people out. All paid for by you and I, whilst homeless, veterans etc can't grab a slice of luck, people can't get doctors appointments, funding is being withdrawn from local services and taxes are going up.

No wonder the French President said the UK is far too much of a good deal for illegal migrants

Edited July 29 by AlexLaw76

[badgerx16]

36 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

There is a massive step from to what is currently provided. There is plenty within that video that is waaaaay beyond 'doing our bit' to help people out. All paid for by you and I, whilst homeless, veterans etc can't grab a slice of luck, people can't get doctors appointments, funding is being withdrawn from local services and taxes are going up.

No wonder the French President said the UK is far too much of a good deal for illegal migrants

Do you think that video shows an exception or the normal standard of accommodation for asylum seekers ?

[hypochondriac]

Interesting but not surprising. Would it be fair to say that this highlights a problem for Starmer? 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

14 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Interesting but not surprising. Would it be fair to say that this highlights a problem for Starmer? 

I think those results would represent any group. The difference between someone who maintains the ideals of his part of the spectrum against someone who has a goal of being in power, regardless of how many of the ideals he might have had being jettisoned.

Add to that a bit of the reality of having to make uncomfortable decisions while a tally in power, and juggling a number of factions within your own party.

[badgerx16]

23 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Interesting but not surprising. Would it be fair to say that this highlights a problem for Starmer? 

Is there a similar graph for Labour voters ?

[LuckyNumber7]

25 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Interesting but not surprising. Would it be fair to say that this highlights a problem for Starmer? 

As a Reform voter I don't necessarily disagree with a lot of those, but I'd have Starmer over Corbyn any day. The thought of Corbyn anywhere near power is scary. Problem with Starmer is he sways with the wind a lot, so it's hard to say he's honest, principled etc.

[hypochondriac]

18 minutes ago, LuckyNumber7 said:

As a Reform voter I don't necessarily disagree with a lot of those, but I'd have Starmer over Corbyn any day. The thought of Corbyn anywhere near power is scary. Problem with Starmer is he sways with the wind a lot, so it's hard to say he's honest, principled etc.

So would I and I think Starmer is awful. Beggers belief that anyone would consider Corbyn more intelligent than Starmer whatever you think of either of them.

[tdmickey3]

55 minutes ago, LuckyNumber7 said:

As a Reform voter I don't necessarily disagree with a lot of those, but I'd have Starmer over Corbyn any day. The thought of Corbyn anywhere near power is scary. Problem with Starmer is he sways with the wind a lot, so it's hard to say he's honest, principled etc.

Present company accepted of course, most Reform voters act like they have had a bang on their heads

Edited July 30 by tdmickey3

[benjii]

As a Reform voter, I do not regret my lobotomy one bit.

[Gloucester Saint]

2 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

Interesting but not surprising. Would it be fair to say that this highlights a problem for Starmer? 

Given John Curtiss reckons 85% or so of support to Reform is leaking from the Tories, and 10%, at most 15% is from old Labour, it would be a medium-level issue that anxiety ramps up if you’re a 2024 generation Red Waller in say two-dozen seats.

What Reform voters think of Badenoch is more of an issue than what they think of Corbyn. They might think Corbyn is honest but none of them voted for him on a very left wing platform in 2019 did they? In fact this demographic ran a mile to Boris and got royally shafted. The question no pollster will ever ask because it’s a poor reflection of our society but could be important is whether the Tories reclaim some support from Reform with a non-ethnic minority leader. Of course it shouldn’t matter at all but it bet it really does with a sizeable minority of Refotm voters.

From a Lib Dem perspective, there’s very few people that would switch to Reform and vice versa because of Brexit. Very few Remainers would ever vote Reform and nor would ardent Brexiteers vote for us. 

Edited July 30 by Gloucester Saint

[whelk]

3 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

So would I and I think Starmer is awful. Beggers belief that anyone would consider Corbyn more intelligent than Starmer whatever you think of either of them.

Come on, they are not best placed to judge relative intelligence 

[AlexLaw76]

[hypochondriac]

53 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

He's right. You would have thought they'd thought about this likely scenario last year. 

[Turkish]

The rumours about Starmers love life don’t seem to be going away 🤔🤔🤔

[The Kraken]

Sir Keith is a knight of the realm and seemingly an absolutely top swordsman. 😎

[Lord Duckhunter]

19 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

He's right. You would have thought they'd thought about this likely scenario last year. 

Junior Doctors (or whatever they’re fucking called now)  have to be the biggest fuck wits around. Labour Government with super majority after 14 years of Tory rule, it’s pretty much ideal scenario to negotiate in. To end up battling with them for a ridiculous pay rise is going to lose them support across the country, as well as cause issues for a Government that’s pretty supportive of them. What do they think is coming next, Jezza and his looney tunes? 
 

When they've lost the right to strike & their pay barely keeps up with inflation, they’ll wish they’d been less greedy in 2025…..

[AlexLaw76]

More than doubled the size of the magical financial 'Black Hole' in 12 months

Marvellous

Edited Wednesday at 08:51 by AlexLaw76

[hypochondriac]

13 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

More than doubled the size of the magical ( financial 'Black Hole' in 12 months

Marvellous

Doing well arent they. Can't blame the Tories anymore, this is their own doing. 

[rallyboy]

13 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Doing well arent they. Can't blame the Tories anymore, this is their own doing. 

Sadly a precedent was established in the last parliament and you have up to 14 years to still blame the previous administration. It's ridiculous, just as it was then, but that's what Tories did in 2024, so it would be churlish to change that now it doesn't suit your agenda.

Perhaps lobby the government to revisit that policy and reduce the timescale?

[hypochondriac]

1 minute ago, rallyboy said:

Sadly a precedent was established in the last parliament and you have up to 14 years to still blame the previous administration. It's ridiculous, just as it was then, but that's what Tories did in 2024, so it would be churlish to change that now it doesn't suit your agenda.

Perhaps lobby the government to revisit that policy and reduce the timescale?

You're getting me confused with someone who had an agenda supporting the Tories. I didn't and don't. The Tories are responsible for their actions in government - mostly terrible - and Labour now have to own their own mess. I don't care if the Tories wanted to keep blaming Labour after 14 years in power, they would be wrong to do so and clearly thr public didn't buy it because they were rightly removed from power. 

[whelk]

Just fuck the stupid borrowing fiscal rules. Average Joe won’t have a clue what that means. And don’t be so cowed by the markets

[hypochondriac]

3 minutes ago, whelk said:

Just fuck the stupid borrowing fiscal rules. Average Joe won’t have a clue what that means. And don’t be so cowed by the markets

How would you rate Labour's economic performance so far? 

[egg]

4 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

Doing well arent they. Can't blame the Tories anymore, this is their own doing. 

Ah, so the carnage of 14 years of the Tories is irrelevant, and Labour should have sorted it in a year. Right you are. 

[egg]

14 minutes ago, whelk said:

Just fuck the stupid borrowing fiscal rules. Average Joe won’t have a clue what that means. And don’t be so cowed by the markets

Yep. It's a self imposed straightjacket that isn't helping one bit. 

[tdmickey3]

1 hour ago, hypochondriac said:

How would you rate Labour's economic performance so far? 

Better than the Tories but not perfect

Edited Wednesday at 14:15 by tdmickey3