The Starmer Years - Can The New Broom Sweep Clean?

[AlexLaw76]

5 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

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What normal person spends time  adding up assets with a calculator and then thinking it makes you better than someone else. 

[hypochondriac]

4 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

People with small willies. Most genuinely successful people wouldn’t feel the need to swap sizes on a football forum or anywhere. I also agree with your point. 

By all accounts a certain litigious poster on here has a huge net worth and he's clearly a massive cunt both on here and in real life so I'm not sure why anyone would use that as a yardstick of worth.

Edited Monday at 19:29 by hypochondriac

[Sir Ralph]

2 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

By all accounts a certain litigious poster on here has a huge net worth and he's clearly a massive cunt so I'm not sure why anyone would use that as a yardstick of worth.

It’s been a while since I been here. Bloomin heck. Sometimes It’s worse than watching a bunch of 9 year olds in the playground

Edited Monday at 19:31 by Sir Ralph

[hypochondriac]

7 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

It’s been a while since I been here. Bloomin heck. Sometimes It’s worse than watching a bunch of 9 year olds in the playground

A certain wealthy poster on here threatened to sue someone he disagreed with a few years ago and tried to get the posters name from this site in order to take him to court. Proper wanker.

[Sir Ralph]

4 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

A certain wealthy poster on here threatened to sue someone he disagreed with a few years ago and tried to get the posters name from this site in order to take him to court. Proper wanker.

I’m not perfect but some of the vitriol on here is off the scale. Cmon chaps it’s sunny and the WC is on! 

[The Kraken]

And I thought Crouchie was a one off in lawyering up. Every day is a school day.

[egg]

5 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

I’m not perfect but some of the vitriol on here is off the scale. Cmon chaps it’s sunny and the WC is on! 

Yeah, but the Argies have won. Again. 

[whelk]

15 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

I’m not perfect but some of the vitriol on here is off the scale. Cmon chaps it’s sunny and the WC is on! 

TBF to Osvaldo he isn’t overly abusive just a bit unhinged

[Osvaldorama]

3 minutes ago, whelk said:

TBF to Osvaldo he isn’t overly abusive just a bit unhinged

Yeah. You’re the abusive one 😂 

 

 

[Osvaldorama]

19 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

I’m not perfect but some of the vitriol on here is off the scale. Cmon chaps it’s sunny and the WC is on! 

It’s all good fun. The socialists are all just a bit touchy today, try not to take their insults to heart 

[Gloucester Saint]

26 minutes ago, whelk said:

TBF to Osvaldo he isn’t overly abusive just a bit unhinged

And doesn’t know the difference between liberals and socialists https://www.libdemvoice.org/liberals-and-socialists-a-response-77304.html

[egg]

6 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

And doesn’t know the difference between liberals and socialists https://www.libdemvoice.org/liberals-and-socialists-a-response-77304.html

Nobody seems to at the moment. Everyone left of Reform is a leftie these days, apparently. 

[whelk]

Just now, egg said:

Nobody seems to at the moment. Everyone left of Reform is a leftie these days, apparently. 

Hypo joined us socialists today

[egg]

35 minutes ago, whelk said:

TBF to Osvaldo he isn’t overly abusive just a bit unhinged

He's very respectful to be fair. The kind who'd do a bit of knitting whilst marching around Portswood rather than lobbing bins. 

[egg]

1 minute ago, whelk said:

Hypo joined us socialists today

I saw that. He's softening. He'll be a wearing an "I ❤️ Attlee" t-shirt before you know it. 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

1 hour ago, Gloucester Saint said:

I think elections are going to become very unpredictable and regionalised/localised now.

Labour are dead - then Makersfield happens. Tories are dead, both main parties dead - Aberdeen South.

Reform have been declining for a while from what was probably an artificial bubble but they’ll still have some big wins and feel they’re on the way back again. Ditto the Greens.

The one party which are really in the plops despite 70 seats are the Lib Dem’s. Our leader only appears when there’s a resignation and no presence other than falling off canoes. 

"Where?" - Andy Burnham. 🙂

[Gloucester Saint]

1 minute ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

"Where?" - Andy Burnham. 🙂

They’ll probably still see more of him than the people of Clacton have seen of Farage.

Or I’ll see of my own MP now he’s suspended. 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

1 hour ago, Sir Ralph said:

It’s been a while since I been here. Bloomin heck. Sometimes It’s worse than watching a bunch of 9 year olds in the playground

Probably best not to connect a forum absence with watching kids in a playground. Other analogies are available. 🙂

[Holmes_and_Watson]

24 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

They’ll probably still see more of him than the people of Clacton have seen of Farage.

Or I’ll see of my own MP now he’s suspended. 

Former leader of the DUP convicted for child abuse today, behind the other headlines. Used faith to try and cover it up. And I'm looking at those who let him have meetings of "forgiveness" with his victims. Ghastly stuff.

Edited Monday at 21:11 by Holmes_and_Watson

[AlexLaw76]

So, will it be 'Andrew; Burnham or 'Andy Burnham'...

Brand Andy all the way for me. Reckon his shade of lippy will be toned down a little, maybe some just for men to boot. At least he more engaging than his predecessor, who was one of the worst prime ministers in recent history, and the worst for Labour (probably) ever.

[Weston Super Saint]

11 hours ago, Sir Ralph said:

It’s been a while since I been here. Bloomin heck. Sometimes It’s worse than watching a bunch of 9 year olds in the playground

Something you do often?

[Gloucester Saint]

8 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Something you do often?

That’s using his Nic account. 

[revolution saint]

On a slight tangent, have the tories come out and asked for a general election?  It's the usual thing to do when the prime minister changes but I would have thought they would be terrified of a GE right now.

[badgerx16]

12 minutes ago, revolution saint said:

On a slight tangent, have the tories come out and asked for a general election?  It's the usual thing to do when the prime minister changes but I would have thought they would be terrified of a GE right now.

A Tory spokesman said a GE was not necessary.

[tdmickey3]

38 minutes ago, revolution saint said:

On a slight tangent, have the tories come out and asked for a general election?  It's the usual thing to do when the prime minister changes but I would have thought they would be terrified of a GE right now.

Only the reform - tories have demanded one

[revolution saint]

15 minutes ago, tdmickey3 said:

Only the reform - tories have demanded one

Yeah, I saw Farage had called for one yesterday.  TBF I don't really disagree with that either especially with Burnham promising "change".  I think LD mentioned about going for a GE in the autumn and it would probably be the best call Burnham could make.  It'll allow him to be a bit braver and get a proper mandate if he wins.  He should be a better campaigner than Starmer ever was and his popularity probably won't get any higher than it is now.  Could proper decimate the Tories though.

[ecuk268]

3 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

So, will it be 'Andrew; Burnham or 'Andy Burnham'...

 At least he more engaging than his predecessor, who was one of the worst prime ministers in recent history, and the worst for Labour (probably) ever.

Starmer:  New rights for tenants

                Increased protection for employees

                Falling NHS waiting lists

                Large reduction in legal immigration

                Kept us out of Trump's wars.

 

Truss:      Crashed the markets

                Caused the pound to drop to a 37-year low

                Killed the Queen (this has not been proven)

 

Edited yesterday at 09:37 by ecuk268

[rallyboy]

There's half a dozen senior members of Reform who have spent the last ten years insisting that an election isn't required after a change of leader. 

I agree with them, however, if Burnham moves significantly away from the mandate the party has, that should change things.

[AlexLaw76]

14 minutes ago, ecuk268 said:

Starmer:  New rights for tenants

                Increased protection for employees

                Falling NHS waiting lists

                Large reduction in legal immigration

                Kept us out of Trump's wars.

 

 

 

And yet, is deemed one of the worst PMs in modern history and the worst Labour PM ever....

 

[Lord Duckhunter]

1 hour ago, revolution saint said:

On a slight tangent, have the tories come out and asked for a general election?  It's the usual thing to do when the prime minister changes but I would have thought they would be terrified of a GE right now.

No, Kemi has said one is not required. At least she’s consistent (probably for selfish reasons) unlike Ange, Our Andy & even Starmer, who called for one when the Tories did it. 
 

It’s a delicate balance, Brown clearly should have called one, whereas May nearly lost to Corbyn when she did. I’ve no doubt he’d win one, but with a reduced majority. This probably means up to 100 labour MP’s losing their seats, so good luck with selling that to the party.

I guess they’ll have a look at the end of the year and see where they are in the opinion polls. Theres a lot to play out yet, Nigel’s standards committee investigation, will the Greens bizarre Left/Islamist coalition last much longer without combusting , and could  the Tories produce a rabbit out of the hat to frighten him (like Osbornes inheritance tax blag did to Brown). Interesting months ahead. 

Edited yesterday at 09:53 by Lord Duckhunter

[revolution saint]

3 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

No, Kemi has said one is not required. At least she’s consistent (probably for selfish reasons) unlike Ange, Our Andy & even Starmer, who called for one when the Tories did it. 
 

It’s a delicate balance, Brown clearly should have called one, whereas May nearly lost to Corbyn when she did. I’ve no doubt he’d win one, but with a reduced majority. This probably means up to 100 labour MP’s losing their seats, so good luck with selling that to the party.

I guess they’ll have a look at the end of the year and see where they are in the opinion polls. Theres a lot to play out yet, Nigel’s standards committee investigation, will the Greens bizarre Left/Islamist coalition last much longer wigg the hour combusting , and could  the Tories produce a rabbit out of the hat to frighten him (like Osbornes inheritance tax blag did to Brown). Interesting months ahead. 

Well two have willingly given up their seats for him already so they're kind of getting used to the idea....

 

[AlexLaw76]

6 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

No, Kemi has said one is not required. At least she’s consistent (probably for selfish reasons) unlike Ange, Our Andy & even Starmer, who called for one when the Tories did it. 
 

It’s a delicate balance, Brown clearly should have called one, whereas May nearly lost to Corbyn when she did. I’ve no doubt he’d win one, but with a reduced majority. This probably means up to 100 labour MP’s losing their seats, so good luck with selling that to the party.

I guess they’ll have a look at the end of the year and see where they are in the opinion polls. Theres a lot to play out yet, Nigel’s standards committee investigation, will the Greens bizarre Left/Islamist coalition last much longer without combusting , and could  the Tories produce a rabbit out of the hat to frighten him (like Osbornes inheritance tax blag did to Brown). Interesting months ahead. 

She is incredibly principled and for the people. no doubt, her sudden change of stance is something to do with compassion and for the many, unlike the nasty right wingers

[iansums]

32 minutes ago, ecuk268 said:

Starmer:  New rights for tenants

                Increased protection for employees

                Falling NHS waiting lists

                Large reduction in legal immigration

                Kept us out of Trump's wars.

 

Truss:      Crashed the markets

                Caused the pound to drop to a 37-year low

                Killed the Queen (this has not been proven)

 

Yeah, absolutely that simple.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

35 minutes ago, iansums said:

Yeah, absolutely that simple.

I know! Had it not been for Truss, I'd not have known just how much the deep state and vested interests controlled  everything, in their one world state vice-like grip. 

I was going to also add...

And it was Miliband who went against Trump. Starmer was happy to go along, before his cabinet refused.

But my bug bear ruins the tongue in cheek opening, so I didn't.

 

[Lord Duckhunter]

 

[Gloucester Saint]

Good summary, well written, of the opportunities but also substantial threats Burnham faces https://inews.co.uk/opinion/why-andy-burnham-needs-to-grow-up-4493419?srsltid=AfmBOoriCYFISG2C6_Tq8-WvwbzVc-rQz-qQJ-bYGZ0j_h8LmVZTV6Mo

[The Kraken]

22 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Good summary, well written, of the opportunities but also substantial threats Burnham faces https://inews.co.uk/opinion/why-andy-burnham-needs-to-grow-up-4493419?srsltid=AfmBOoriCYFISG2C6_Tq8-WvwbzVc-rQz-qQJ-bYGZ0j_h8LmVZTV6Mo

I’m not sure if “I advised David Cameron for 6 years” is quite the slam dunk he thinks it is. ‘Austerity, more austerity, here have Brexit, I’m off’ is not the legacy I’d want.

Edited 21 hours ago by The Kraken

[whelk]

23 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

A certain wealthy poster on here threatened to sue someone he disagreed with a few years ago and tried to get the posters name from this site in order to take him to court. Proper wanker.

I assume that was GM? Surely any court hearing could get a dozen witnesses to swear he’s a cunt

[whelk]

Rest is Entertainment were talking about Burnham being an indie kid. Some good picks although touch of Partridge about No 1. 

https://thequietus.com/interviews/bakers-dozen/andy-burnham-bakers-dozen-favourite-music/6/

[AlexLaw76]

and it begins....He has not even got the gig yet.

 

Edited 8 hours ago by AlexLaw76

[Lord Duckhunter]

5 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

and it begins....He has not even got the gig yet.

 

That makes me question his judgement from the off. 7 pints from that picture 

[Turkish]

On 22/06/2026 at 20:22, hypochondriac said:

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What normal person spends time  adding up assets with a calculator and then thinking it makes you better than someone else. 

I’ve never recovered from the time Whelk posted his credit score and it was better than everyone else’s 

[badgerx16]

1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said:

and it begins....He has not even got the gig yet.

 

She is on the Board of public charging provider Be.EV, something he openly stated in his Declaration of Member's Interests, and he recused himself from decisions relating to the company's work in Manchester.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/feb/18/andy-burnham-says-clean-air-zone-critics-made-false-claims-about-wifes-interests

Edited 7 hours ago by badgerx16
what the fuck is a "Kember"

[Whitey Grandad]

16 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

That makes me question his judgement from the off. 7 pints from that picture 

Pah! Some people are just too fussy 😉

[AlexLaw76]

13 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

She is on the Board of public charging provider Be.EV, something he openly stated in his Declaration of Kember's Interests, and he recused himself from decisions relating to the company's work in Manchester.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/feb/18/andy-burnham-says-clean-air-zone-critics-made-false-claims-about-wifes-interests

How long do you think something fishy is dug up on 'our Andy'?

[badgerx16]

10 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

How long do you think something fishy is dug up on 'our Andy'?

If it's not "dug up" it will be made up.

Edited 8 hours ago by badgerx16

[rallyboy]

20 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

If it's not "dug up" it will be made up.

That piece above is literally made-up.

The Telegraph, Mail, GB News etc will spend the next few months making up stuff and carefully spoonfeeding it to simpletons who will greedily gobble it down before spewing it all over the internet.

That's politics in 2026.

[AlexLaw76]

30 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

If it's not "dug up" it will be made up.

 

5 minutes ago, rallyboy said:

That piece above is literally made-up.

The Telegraph, Mail, GB News etc will spend the next few months making up stuff and carefully spoonfeeding it to simpletons who will greedily gobble it down before spewing it all over the internet.

That's politics in 2026.

As opposed to the Mirror, Guardian et al. doing it. But that is kinder, gentler, different, for the greater good.

[badgerx16]

8 minutes ago, rallyboy said:

That piece above is literally made-up.

What is that dig about her being 'kept a secret' ? They have been together since Uni and have three adult children. She has her own career. Nothing about her is hidden, even her family's issues with breast cancer.

Who knew much about Mrs Starmer before he became Labour leader ? 

I'd rather this sort of solid family foundation than a shagaholic scarecrow like Bojo.

Edited 7 hours ago by badgerx16

[whelk]

1 hour ago, Turkish said:

I’ve never recovered from the time Whelk posted his credit score and it was better than everyone else’s 

It was worse although due to colossal net worth it is irrelevant 😃