The Reform Thread

[Gloucester Saint]

42 minutes ago, egg said:

Now show me post Brexit improvements. 

@Weston Super Saint fill yer boots…

[sadoldgit]

Surprise surprise. Farage’s claim of voter fraud was all bollox.

https://www.ft.com/content/8c6c4ff0-68d9-4e08-a9a5-a317742d112e?syn-25a6b1a6=1

[Weston Super Saint]

2 hours ago, rallyboy said:

I've got a GP now, I didn't have one for a decade, now I can access appointments, and we have more police here - many things looks shit out there and the country needs loads of work, but there are undeniable improvements.

Lucky you!

My GP now runs off the new system.  There used to be a telephone scramble at 08:00 to get an appointment.  Now you need to log on and beg for an appointment which is then triaged by someone (they claim one of the doctors).  I had severe pain in both hips at the end of January (arthritis related), was in agony and got triaged for a four week appointment!  Took me two weeks of phone calls and arguing to see a doctor!  The alternative, go to A&E and wait for 6 to 8 hours.

I had a CT scan at the end of January - requested after a follow up visit with my surgeon after failed spinal surgery - took four weeks for the appointment.  Still haven't had a review with the surgeon which isn't happening until the 8th of April!

Maybe the NHS is improving, but it's not exactly quick!  Although this is my first real experience of how it works, so it could be way better than it was before?  

[Weston Super Saint]

1 hour ago, Gloucester Saint said:

@Weston Super Saint fill yer boots…

No thanks.  I've never claimed there have been any and am happy to be honest about it!

[Weston Super Saint]

2 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

No thanks.  I've never claimed there have been any and am happy to be honest about it!

Although having said that, isn't it a Brexit benefit that the current Gov't can negotiate with the EU on trade - after all that is the definition of 'taking back control' isn't it?

[Lord Duckhunter]

3 hours ago, egg said:

think anyone who can't see that there have been improvements, doesn't want to recognise that there have been improvements.

It’s been a complete shit show, you’re comparing 14 years of Tory rule with 14 months of these chumps. I’m no fan of Cameron & Clegg, but 14 months into their term was immeasurably more competent and less sleazy. God help us if we have 14 years of this. People keep banging on about liz Truss, but they ditched her pretty damn quick and Hunt reversed her budget measures in double quick time. To be this unpopular, to have this many scandals, this many cock ups, less than 2 years after a landslide is unbelievable. The British people are fair minded, that’s why they gave Johnny Major his own mandate, if they genuinely thought Starmer was a decent honest bloke doing a great job turning round a difficult situation, hed have better poll ratings. He wouldn’t be pushed around by his back benchers and they wouldn’t be facing wipeout in Scotland, Wales and the locals. This isn’t some “far right” narrative, isn’t some media driven storm. People think he’s incompetent, think he’s a sleazy bullshitter,  and unlike Boris, they don’t like him. 

If Nigel Farage led a Government which had exactly the same scandals as this one some posters on here would need sectioning for their mental wellbeing. 
 

I don’t  believe there’s one Starmer supporter on here who ever thought he’d be this bad, not one. 

[egg]

47 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

It’s been a complete shit show, you’re comparing 14 years of Tory rule with 14 months of these chumps. I’m no fan of Cameron & Clegg, but 14 months into their term was immeasurably more competent and less sleazy. God help us if we have 14 years of this. People keep banging on about liz Truss, but they ditched her pretty damn quick and Hunt reversed her budget measures in double quick time. To be this unpopular, to have this many scandals, this many cock ups, less than 2 years after a landslide is unbelievable. The British people are fair minded, that’s why they gave Johnny Major his own mandate, if they genuinely thought Starmer was a decent honest bloke doing a great job turning round a difficult situation, hed have better poll ratings. He wouldn’t be pushed around by his back benchers and they wouldn’t be facing wipeout in Scotland, Wales and the locals. This isn’t some “far right” narrative, isn’t some media driven storm. People think he’s incompetent, think he’s a sleazy bullshitter,  and unlike Boris, they don’t like him. 

If Nigel Farage led a Government which had exactly the same scandals as this one some posters on here would need sectioning for their mental wellbeing. 
 

I don’t  believe there’s one Starmer supporter on here who ever thought he’d be this bad, not one. 

There's several posts above highlighting positives. Any comment on those? 

[benjii]

53 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

It’s been a complete shit show, you’re comparing 14 years of Tory rule with 14 months of these chumps. I’m no fan of Cameron & Clegg, but 14 months into their term was immeasurably more competent and less sleazy. God help us if we have 14 years of this. People keep banging on about liz Truss, but they ditched her pretty damn quick and Hunt reversed her budget measures in double quick time. To be this unpopular, to have this many scandals, this many cock ups, less than 2 years after a landslide is unbelievable. The British people are fair minded, that’s why they gave Johnny Major his own mandate, if they genuinely thought Starmer was a decent honest bloke doing a great job turning round a difficult situation, hed have better poll ratings. He wouldn’t be pushed around by his back benchers and they wouldn’t be facing wipeout in Scotland, Wales and the locals. This isn’t some “far right” narrative, isn’t some media driven storm. People think he’s incompetent, think he’s a sleazy bullshitter,  and unlike Boris, they don’t like him. 

If Nigel Farage led a Government which had exactly the same scandals as this one some posters on here would need sectioning for their mental wellbeing. 
 

I don’t  believe there’s one Starmer supporter on here who ever thought he’d be this bad, not one. 

I don't think you can compare Cameron and Starmer eras.

We're in a new epoch now. Constant lies and propaganda on social media, foreign interference, Brexit rifts, lack of accountability, destruction of democratic institutions in the US, multipolarity global war games.

Old politics is dead. It died with the Brexit referendum and similar deaths have occurred elsewhere.

Edited 23 hours ago by benjii

[Lord Duckhunter]

23 minutes ago, egg said:

There's several posts above highlighting positives. Any comment on those? 

When people post “Corruption from top officials seems to be less widespread and obvious.” I tend to stop reading because it’s biased in the extreme. How many ministers have resigned, how many freebies have they had, how many phones have been “stolen”. 
 

The NHS is no better round here, it’s still impossible to see a Dr and it’s still 8 hours + in A&E, the police are still laughable absent. Youth unemployment is only heading one way, and that is a direct result of a labour policy. Illegal immigration is still out of control . 
 

If there were signs of improvement, the public would give him a chance and Labour  MP’s wont ditch him. We’ll see what the public make of the “improvements” in May. When he’s ditched, you’ll all change your tune and make out he was the problem, when the reality is, it’s the high tax, high spend, lefty policies from them (and the Tory party) which are the issue. We’ve reached the stage where Government spending is just one big Ponzi scheme, where the next 2 generations will pay for our soft arsed leftie Governments. 

[egg]

1 hour ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

When people post “Corruption from top officials seems to be less widespread and obvious.” I tend to stop reading because it’s biased in the extreme. How many ministers have resigned, how many freebies have they had, how many phones have been “stolen”. 
 

The NHS is no better round here, it’s still impossible to see a Dr and it’s still 8 hours + in A&E, the police are still laughable absent. Youth unemployment is only heading one way, and that is a direct result of a labour policy. Illegal immigration is still out of control . 
 

If there were signs of improvement, the public would give him a chance and Labour  MP’s wont ditch him. We’ll see what the public make of the “improvements” in May. When he’s ditched, you’ll all change your tune and make out he was the problem, when the reality is, it’s the high tax, high spend, lefty policies from them (and the Tory party) which are the issue. We’ve reached the stage where Government spending is just one big Ponzi scheme, where the next 2 generations will pay for our soft arsed leftie Governments. 

If you're someone who expected it all sorted in a fortnight, or would find fault in anything labour did, you would look past the slight improvements. 

On the whole though, I agree that it doesn't feel better, and I bypass the NHS so can't comment on what it's like round here. I'm not sure what anyone reasonably expected by this stage though, but, ignoring the improvements because it's not better overall, isn't the correct approach.  

2 generations will be paying for the general Tory incompetence, Brexit, COVID, Ukraine, and the effects of Israel/US stupidity, not this Labour government. Let's have some perspective. 

[Gloucester Saint]

35 minutes ago, egg said:

2 generations will be paying for the general Tory incompetence, Brexit, COVID, Ukraine, and the effects of Israel/US stupidity, not this Labour government. Let's have some perspective. 

Exactly this. Add in the impact of Trump’s moronic tariffs which the ripples on global trade will take several years at best, to reverse, and it’s spot on.

So the very last thing the UK needs is a populist government modelled on Trumpian lines. Last time the public - or 52% of them - listened to Reform/UKIP, we needlessly slashed 6% off the economy. Then the same people whine that their public services have dwindled.

They more likely won’t get in anyway. As Sir John Curtiss says, barely 1 in 10 Labour switchers are going to Reform/Cons. They are a Conservative issue. The movement away from Labour is to Green for the ex-Momentum brigade and Lib Dem’s for the others. But the key point is that all the movement is within the Remain ‘bloc’. 

I’m sure the red tops will scream about a coalition of chaos or suchlike, but it’s five-way party politics now, at least in England. 

[Lord Duckhunter]

4 hours ago, egg said:

I'm not sure what anyone reasonably expected by this stage though,

I think not appointing a mate of a nonce as US ambassador would have been one thing I may have wanted by now. Perhaps not having an MP beat up a constituent, isn’t unreasonable. After spending hours criticising the tories for cronyism maybe  having a rich donor buy the PM’s Mrs’ clothes and taking truck load of freebies should have been avoided . I think everyone accepts increasing NI on business was a mistake and has driven up unemployment. So from the first budget it’s been obvious Reeves is out of her depth. The economy will take years to turn round, but decisions they made, have made it even longer. 

You couldn’t make it up, The minister in charge of housing, resigned over property taxes, the anti corruption minister resigned over… corruption. The transport minister resigned over a stolen phone, (another one). 
 

Surely,  thinking they wouldn’t be as bad as the Tories isn’t unreasonable. When the simple truth is they’ve been just as incompetent, just as sleazy, just as fucking useless. The only difference is The Tories  took a few years to get there, these chumps have done it in double quick time. 
 

As this is a reform thread, I look forward to you giving Nigel a similar amount of time when he rides into town, to clear up The Uniparty mess 

[The Kraken]

Such a tragic man. Fuck me 

[Gloucester Saint]

We all have dreams…but unless the current Remain majority in the electorate between three parties Sir John Curtiss describes breaks apart, or the Tories elect a centrist leader who can siphon off some of that group (unlikely as it stands, but May might change their membership’s minds), Reform A and B won’t get sufficient seats in FPTP. They’ll do OK on popular vote but the chances of winning when Reform’s polls are sliding by 5% plus is a pipe dream.

I’d love for Saints to win the play-offs, then top 10 PL and win the FA Cup next season. Is that possible, yes? Is it very realistic? No.

[Gloucester Saint]

32 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

Such a tragic man. Fuck me 

He’s got his dreams, and can’t blame him for that, but those are looking as feasible as Saints getting top 2 this season and if Reform carry on sliding (5% in a 5-way picture within a month is huge) then it’s more like the odds of overhauling Coventry if it’s under their own steam.

To show the scale of the task, 25% of Tory members on that party’s own private polling were willing to vote Labour in a seat where it was them v Reform. The ‘Stop Farage’ coalition is both broad, deep and far bigger than Farage’s core vote. That’s why he’s been having a meltdown at YouGov for modelling tactical voting because he knows it’s accurate.

Edited 14 hours ago by Gloucester Saint

[whelk]

1 hour ago, The Kraken said:

Such a tragic man. Fuck me 

He seems to be maturing and is now referring to her as Reeves.  Might need to get his blood pressure checked though

[Farmer Saint]

2 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

I think not appointing a mate of a nonce as US ambassador would have been one thing I may have wanted by now. Perhaps not having an MP beat up a constituent, isn’t unreasonable. After spending hours criticising the tories for cronyism maybe  having a rich donor buy the PM’s Mrs’ clothes and taking truck load of freebies should have been avoided . I think everyone accepts increasing NI on business was a mistake and has driven up unemployment. So from the first budget it’s been obvious Reeves is out of her depth. The economy will take years to turn round, but decisions they made, have made it even longer. 

You couldn’t make it up, The minister in charge of housing, resigned over property taxes, the anti corruption minister resigned over… corruption. The transport minister resigned over a stolen phone, (another one). 
 

Surely,  thinking they wouldn’t be as bad as the Tories isn’t unreasonable. When the simple truth is they’ve been just as incompetent, just as sleazy, just as fucking useless. The only difference is The Tories  took a few years to get there, these chumps have done it in double quick time. 
 

As this is a reform thread, I look forward to you giving Nigel a similar amount of time when he rides into town, to clear up The Uniparty mess 

Here's some reading for you from the Boris files...about 2 years worth.

25 May 2020

Dominic Cummings refuses to resign or apologise after the Guardian and Mirror reveal his lockdown-busting trips to north-east England at the height of Covid-19. Johnson stands by his chief aide despite fury from the public, MPs and scientists.

30 July 2020

Charlie Elphicke is found guilty of three counts of sexual assault against two women, less than a year after resigning as the Conservative MP for Dover. Elphicke had denied the three charges, two of which related to a parliamentary worker. He was later sentenced to two years in prison. His wife, Natalie Elphicke, succeeded him as MP for Dover in December 2019.

25 May 2021

Rob Roberts, the Conservative MP for Delyn in north Wales, is found by parliament’s independent expert panel to have made “significant” repeated unwanted sexual advances towards a former member of staff, as well as inappropriate comments of a sexual nature. He is suspended for 12 weeks by the Conservatives but allowed to rejoin the party in October 2021.

28 May 2021

Johnson “unwisely” embarked on a £112,000 refurbishment of his official Downing Street flat without knowing how it would be paid for, according to a report by the ethics adviser Christopher Geidt. However, it later emerges that Geidt was not given crucial text messages between Johnson and the Conservative donor David Brownlow, prompting an apology from the prime minister.

26 June 2021

Matt Hancock resigns as health secretary after it emerged he broke social distancing rules by kissing his longtime friend and close aide, Gina Coladangelo, in his ministerial office. The resignation is a huge blow to the authority of Johnson, who had stood by Hancock when the story broke 24 hours earlier.

8 July 2021

Johnson is reprimanded by parliament’s committee on standards for failing to “establish the full facts” about a free holiday to a luxury villa in Mustique. The accommodation was organised by David Ross, the Tory donor and co-founder of Carphone Warehouse, after Johnson “sought and was offered” the use of Ross’s villa, the report found.

26 October 2021

The former Tory minister Owen Paterson is found by parliament’s standards watchdog to have committed an “egregious” breach of lobbying rules. Paterson repeatedly lobbied the government on behalf of two companies that were paying him more than £100,000 a year, the watchdog found. The MP, who maintained his innocence, resigns as the Conservative representative for North Shropshire in November 2021. The subsequent byelection is won by the Liberal Democrats on 16 December 2021.

10 December 2021

The former Conservative minister Andrew Griffiths is found by a high court judge to have raped his wife and subjected her to coercive control. Griffiths, who denied the allegations, had stepped down as an MP in November 2019 after a series of claims about his conduct. His wife, Kate Griffiths, who left him when the original stories broke, succeeds him as MP for Burton in Staffordshire.

18 December 2021

Simon Case, the UK’s most senior civil servant, steps down from chairing the investigation into lockdown-breaking parties in Downing Street after claims emerged he had hosted an event himself over the same period. The senior civil servant Sue Gray takes over.

6 January 2022

Johnson is revealed to have sought funds to help cover a £112,000 makeover of his Downing Street flat from a Conservative donor while promising to consider plans for a “great exhibition”. Labour accuses the prime minister of corruption, while Johnson apologises for failing to disclose crucial WhatsApp messages to his ethics adviser, Lord Geidt, the previous spring.

2 April 2022

David Warburton, the Conservative MP for Somerton and Frome, is suspended from the Tory parliamentary party after a series of allegations relating to sexual harassment and cocaine use. A investigation by Westminster’s independent complaints and grievance scheme is ongoing as of 1 July.

11 April 2022

Imran Ahmad Khan, the Conservative MP for Wakefield, is found guilty of sexually assaulting a 15-year-old boy after plying him with alcohol at a party in 2008. He resigns as an MP on 28 April, triggering a byelection that Labour wins on 23 June.

29 April 2022

Neil Parish, the Conservative MP for Tiverton and Honiton, resigns his seat after admitting he twice watched pornography in the House of Commons chamber. His resignation prompts a byelection that results in a decisive Liberal Democrat victory on 23 June.

17 May 2022

An unnamed Conservative MP is arrested on suspicion of rape and other sexual offences. The MP, who has not been publicly named, is ordered to stay away from Westminster while under investigation by the Metropolitan police. He remains on bail as of 1 July.

25 May 2022

Sue Gray publishes a damning report into lockdown-busting parties across Whitehall, revealing that government staff had drunken brawls, vomited and sang karaoke until dawn while the UK observed strict Covid-19 restrictions on socialising. The prime minister says he is “humbled” and “appalled” but critics doubt his contrition and calls for his resignation grow louder.

30 June 2022

Chris Pincher, the Conservative deputy chief whip, resigns after admitting he had “embarrassed myself and other people” following reports that he drunkenly groped two men at a private club. It is the second time Pincher has resigned from the whips’ office, having previously stood down in 2017 after he was reported to have made an unwanted pass at a Tory activist.

[warsash saint]

10 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

It’s been a complete shit show, you’re comparing 14 years of Tory rule with 14 months of these chumps. I’m no fan of Cameron & Clegg, but 14 months into their term was immeasurably more competent and less sleazy. God help us if we have 14 years of this. People keep banging on about liz Truss, but they ditched her pretty damn quick and Hunt reversed her budget measures in double quick time. To be this unpopular, to have this many scandals, this many cock ups, less than 2 years after a landslide is unbelievable. The British people are fair minded, that’s why they gave Johnny Major his own mandate, if they genuinely thought Starmer was a decent honest bloke doing a great job turning round a difficult situation, hed have better poll ratings. He wouldn’t be pushed around by his back benchers and they wouldn’t be facing wipeout in Scotland, Wales and the locals. This isn’t some “far right” narrative, isn’t some media driven storm. People think he’s incompetent, think he’s a sleazy bullshitter,  and unlike Boris, they don’t like him. 

If Nigel Farage led a Government which had exactly the same scandals as this one some posters on here would need sectioning for their mental wellbeing. 
 

I don’t  believe there’s one Starmer supporter on here who ever thought he’d be this bad, not one. 

F**k me...i stopped reading after this laughable bollocks!!

[Turkish]

Saw a load of these anti far right protesters on the tube yesterday. Usual collection of people who looked like Neil from the young ones loads of very camp looking boys, girls with dozens of nose and ear rings, all covered in badges about every cause going. Why do so many have pink hair?

[Gloucester Saint]

1 hour ago, Turkish said:

Saw a load of these anti far right protesters on the tube yesterday. Usual collection of people who looked like Neil from the young ones loads of very camp looking boys, girls with dozens of nose and ear rings, all covered in badges about every cause going. Why do so many have pink hair?

The more things change, the more they stay the same. It’s similar to growing up in the 1980s in that regard, what you saw yesterday are proper lefties inspired by the new left movement from the 1980s led by Benn, Livingstone and briefly captured by Corbyn. You saw them at Greenham Common and the GLA closure.

The people at Robinson and Musk’s rally in the autumn are the NF type who were smashing up Kenilworth Road and various European cities with England. Ironic that their leader comes from Luton - maybe Millwall F Troop was Tommy’s inspiration? Bet someone reads this and has a right old Tommy of a different variety… 

The former probably vote Green these days and the latter for Lowe backed by Musk’s money (judging by the 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 business cards circulating amongst football firms) with a smattering still with Farage.

The great majority of us look on with bemusement. 

Edited 5 hours ago by Gloucester Saint

[iansums]

9 hours ago, Farmer Saint said:

Here's some reading for you from the Boris files...about 2 years worth.

25 May 2020

Dominic Cummings refuses to resign or apologise after the Guardian and Mirror reveal his lockdown-busting trips to north-east England at the height of Covid-19. Johnson stands by his chief aide despite fury from the public, MPs and scientists.

30 July 2020

Charlie Elphicke is found guilty of three counts of sexual assault against two women, less than a year after resigning as the Conservative MP for Dover. Elphicke had denied the three charges, two of which related to a parliamentary worker. He was later sentenced to two years in prison. His wife, Natalie Elphicke, succeeded him as MP for Dover in December 2019.

25 May 2021

Rob Roberts, the Conservative MP for Delyn in north Wales, is found by parliament’s independent expert panel to have made “significant” repeated unwanted sexual advances towards a former member of staff, as well as inappropriate comments of a sexual nature. He is suspended for 12 weeks by the Conservatives but allowed to rejoin the party in October 2021.

28 May 2021

Johnson “unwisely” embarked on a £112,000 refurbishment of his official Downing Street flat without knowing how it would be paid for, according to a report by the ethics adviser Christopher Geidt. However, it later emerges that Geidt was not given crucial text messages between Johnson and the Conservative donor David Brownlow, prompting an apology from the prime minister.

26 June 2021

Matt Hancock resigns as health secretary after it emerged he broke social distancing rules by kissing his longtime friend and close aide, Gina Coladangelo, in his ministerial office. The resignation is a huge blow to the authority of Johnson, who had stood by Hancock when the story broke 24 hours earlier.

8 July 2021

Johnson is reprimanded by parliament’s committee on standards for failing to “establish the full facts” about a free holiday to a luxury villa in Mustique. The accommodation was organised by David Ross, the Tory donor and co-founder of Carphone Warehouse, after Johnson “sought and was offered” the use of Ross’s villa, the report found.

26 October 2021

The former Tory minister Owen Paterson is found by parliament’s standards watchdog to have committed an “egregious” breach of lobbying rules. Paterson repeatedly lobbied the government on behalf of two companies that were paying him more than £100,000 a year, the watchdog found. The MP, who maintained his innocence, resigns as the Conservative representative for North Shropshire in November 2021. The subsequent byelection is won by the Liberal Democrats on 16 December 2021.

10 December 2021

The former Conservative minister Andrew Griffiths is found by a high court judge to have raped his wife and subjected her to coercive control. Griffiths, who denied the allegations, had stepped down as an MP in November 2019 after a series of claims about his conduct. His wife, Kate Griffiths, who left him when the original stories broke, succeeds him as MP for Burton in Staffordshire.

18 December 2021

Simon Case, the UK’s most senior civil servant, steps down from chairing the investigation into lockdown-breaking parties in Downing Street after claims emerged he had hosted an event himself over the same period. The senior civil servant Sue Gray takes over.

6 January 2022

Johnson is revealed to have sought funds to help cover a £112,000 makeover of his Downing Street flat from a Conservative donor while promising to consider plans for a “great exhibition”. Labour accuses the prime minister of corruption, while Johnson apologises for failing to disclose crucial WhatsApp messages to his ethics adviser, Lord Geidt, the previous spring.

2 April 2022

David Warburton, the Conservative MP for Somerton and Frome, is suspended from the Tory parliamentary party after a series of allegations relating to sexual harassment and cocaine use. A investigation by Westminster’s independent complaints and grievance scheme is ongoing as of 1 July.

11 April 2022

Imran Ahmad Khan, the Conservative MP for Wakefield, is found guilty of sexually assaulting a 15-year-old boy after plying him with alcohol at a party in 2008. He resigns as an MP on 28 April, triggering a byelection that Labour wins on 23 June.

29 April 2022

Neil Parish, the Conservative MP for Tiverton and Honiton, resigns his seat after admitting he twice watched pornography in the House of Commons chamber. His resignation prompts a byelection that results in a decisive Liberal Democrat victory on 23 June.

17 May 2022

An unnamed Conservative MP is arrested on suspicion of rape and other sexual offences. The MP, who has not been publicly named, is ordered to stay away from Westminster while under investigation by the Metropolitan police. He remains on bail as of 1 July.

25 May 2022

Sue Gray publishes a damning report into lockdown-busting parties across Whitehall, revealing that government staff had drunken brawls, vomited and sang karaoke until dawn while the UK observed strict Covid-19 restrictions on socialising. The prime minister says he is “humbled” and “appalled” but critics doubt his contrition and calls for his resignation grow louder.

30 June 2022

Chris Pincher, the Conservative deputy chief whip, resigns after admitting he had “embarrassed myself and other people” following reports that he drunkenly groped two men at a private club. It is the second time Pincher has resigned from the whips’ office, having previously stood down in 2017 after he was reported to have made an unwanted pass at a Tory activist.

Haven’t you got some……erm…….farming to do ? 😳

[badgerx16]

10 minutes ago, iansums said:

Haven’t you got some……erm…….farming to do ? 😳

Nah, he has people that do that for him.

[moonraker]

17 hours ago, egg said:

If you're someone who expected it all sorted in a fortnight, or would find fault in anything labour did, you would look past the slight improvements. 

On the whole though, I agree that it doesn't feel better, and I bypass the NHS so can't comment on what it's like round here. I'm not sure what anyone reasonably expected by this stage though, but, ignoring the improvements because it's not better overall, isn't the correct approach.  

2 generations will be paying for the general Tory incompetence, Brexit, COVID, Ukraine, and the effects of Israel/US stupidity, not this Labour government. Let's have some perspective. 

Agree fully, the idea that things aren’t improving is the siren call of those who have backed failed right wing politics, the facts tell the real story.  Undoing 14 years of Tory incompetence will take 2 terms.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

3 hours ago, Turkish said:

Saw a load of these anti far right protesters on the tube yesterday. Usual collection of people who looked like Neil from the young ones loads of very camp looking boys, girls with dozens of nose and ear rings, all covered in badges about every cause going. Why do so many have pink hair?

Because they are all declaring their individuality 🙂

[whelk]

44 minutes ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

Because they are all declaring their individuality 🙂

Nothing changes and everyone has a look to associate themselves with a group whether it’s duck lips saying I am a vacuous bimbo, Stone Island tops saying I’m a working class thug or blue hair and nose rings saying I’m an econut. I generalise of course but funny how some of the right wingers get triggered by pink or blue hair 

Edited 2 hours ago by whelk

[Farmer Saint]

3 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

Nah, he has people that do that for him.

Exactly this.

[Farmer Saint]

3 hours ago, iansums said:

Haven’t you got some……erm…….farming to do ? 😳

I'm in the US sorting some stuff out, but I saw LDs post and I couldn't let it lie. Sorry, not sorry. 😁 

Edited 1 hour ago by Farmer Saint

[Turkish]

1 hour ago, whelk said:

Nothing changes and everyone has a look to associate themselves with a group whether it’s duck lips saying I am a vacuous bimbo, Stone Island tops saying I’m a working class thug or blue hair and nose rings saying I’m an econut. I generalise of course but funny how some of the right wingers get triggered by pink or blue hair 

The thing that amuses me about them is how they jump on every bandwagon going. Honestly stood next to us was a group of about 8-10 mainly girls in their early 20s decked out with badges and flags all over them, free Palestine, diversity is our strength, LGBT+ stuff, the list goes on. I’m far from convinced they actually believe in it all but more of a chance to be show the world how nice they are