Toussaint Posted September 20 Posted September 20 34 minutes ago, Mixedkebab said: How the fuck do we end up with these shitheads? Because we are much more cleverer than everyone else? 1
SambaMaverick Posted September 20 Posted September 20 Cunt should be sent to the dole queue for the Downs signing alone If he makes it to 20 apps I will be surprised 6
AlexLaw76 Posted September 20 Posted September 20 Probably will ‘move on’ around Xmas/Easter as they all do under this awful ownership
Toussaint Posted September 21 Posted September 21 (edited) 15 hours ago, Mixedkebab said: How the fuck do we end up with these shitheads? .. Edited September 21 by Toussaint Repeated
Toussaint Posted September 21 Posted September 21 Who appointed Spors, who would have made that decision, who would have been capable of making that decision?
tdmickey3 Posted September 22 Posted September 22 On 21/09/2025 at 09:25, Toussaint said: Who appointed Spors, who would have made that decision, who would have been capable of making that decision? I thought I read on here it was Dragan
Mboto Gorge Posted September 22 Posted September 22 (edited) On 29/08/2025 at 18:22, Matthew Le God said: A lot of premature meltdowns in this thread! Any update on these thoughts? I thought everything was going to be miraculously better now Spors was in charge of recruitment. What do you make of the Downs signing being our sole striker signing to solve all issues up front? I mean, he must be who they’ve hung their hat on, as he’s the only striker we signed. Reckon he’s looking the part so far? Edited September 22 by Mboto Gorge 3 1
Toussaint Posted September 22 Posted September 22 37 minutes ago, tdmickey3 said: I thought I read on here it was Dragan In my post match anger I got it in my head it would have been Rasmus.
Matthew Le God Posted September 22 Author Posted September 22 (edited) 5 hours ago, Mboto Gorge said: Any update on these thoughts? I thought everything was going to be miraculously better now Spors was in charge of recruitment. What do you make of the Downs signing being our sole striker signing to solve all issues up front? I mean, he must be who they’ve hung their hat on, as he’s the only striker we signed. Reckon he’s looking the part so far? You didn't wait very long to dismiss the new players Edited September 22 by Matthew Le God 1
Mboto Gorge Posted September 22 Posted September 22 2 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: You didn't wait very long to dismiss the new players I’m simply asking you if everything is going as swimmingly as you hinted it would now we’ve got a genius like Spors in charge of recruitment? Because so far it seems not a lot has changed. it isn’t asking a lot , having spent upward of 50m , not to expect to get stuffed 3-1 at a side who’s previous home game was a 0-3 loss to Blackburn, and who’s only win to date before this was a last minute win at home to Oxford. I also asked whether you think Damion Downs was what we needed up front, as our only striker signing? Simple enough 6
trousers Posted September 22 Posted September 22 4 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: You didn't wait very long to dismiss the new players How long do you think he should wait for? (Not trying to be confrontational, just genuinely interested in other perspectives). Cheers 👍🏻 1
Gloucester Saint Posted September 22 Posted September 22 3 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: You didn't wait very long to dismiss the new players We just got walloped at a relegation favourite who spent the summer rumoured to be struggling to pay their players and only spent £700k in fees. I expected Downs to be quite raw and technically basic in the mould of an early James Beattie or Kenwyne Jones in the sense at least he would keep the central defenders busy/bruised and score the odd goal. For £7m, to have first touch worse than Carlton Palmer’s and to be miskicking in front of goal, the scouts have got to take responsibility there. Bromley’s centre forward Michael Cheek looked miles better than Downs when they won at Cheltenham (even worse than we are)and he’s in League 2 having come from non league. McBurnie looked about ten levels above Downs and he was available on a free! Don’t like McBurnie at all but Downs had to improve x30 to have any impact this season. If he can’t do the basics at least kick and elbow the centre halves in the ribs and win your headers for Archer/AA to get onto. Did he win a single header at Hull? 4
Mboto Gorge Posted September 22 Posted September 22 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said: We just got walloped at a relegation favourite who spent the summer rumoured to be struggling to pay their players and only spent £700k in fees. I expected Downs to be quite raw and technically basic in the mould of an early James Beattie or Kenwyne Jones in the sense at least he would keep the central defenders busy/bruised and score the odd goal. For £7m, to have first touch worse than Carlton Palmer’s and to be miskicking in front of goal, the scouts have got to take responsibility there. Bromley’s centre forward Michael Cheek looked miles better than Downs when they won at Cheltenham (even worse than we are)and he’s in League 2 having come from non league. McBurnie looked about ten levels above Downs and he was available on a free! Don’t like McBurnie at all but Downs had to improve x30 to have any impact this season. If he can’t do the basics at least kick and elbow the centre halves in the ribs and win your headers for Archer/AA to get onto. Did he win a single header at Hull? This is also what I expected, no one expected a young Didier Drogba but what I did expect was someone who’s main attribute was being physical and giving defenders a torrid time with his strength and physical presence, and be a bit of a bully. I am absolutely gobsmacked to see that he appears to be not willing to do any of that. What the actual fuck did the recruitment team sign him for then? As I presumed it was to provide a strong outlet and focal point up front and someone to bully defenders? He’s less physical than Ryan Fraser for fuck sake Edited September 22 by Mboto Gorge 4
Matthew Le God Posted September 22 Author Posted September 22 19 minutes ago, Mboto Gorge said: I’m simply asking you if everything is going as swimmingly as you hinted it I did not
Matthew Le God Posted September 22 Author Posted September 22 20 minutes ago, trousers said: How long do you think he should wait for? (Not trying to be confrontational, just genuinely interested in other perspectives). Cheers 👍🏻 More than 2 games after the window shuts. If we still look a shambles after 10 league games, then worry.
Mboto Gorge Posted September 22 Posted September 22 1 minute ago, Matthew Le God said: I did not So saying we need to wait and see what happens, whilst saying that we now have proper reliable people in charge like Dragan and Spors running things, wasn’t HINTING that things were going to improve? Ok then .
Mboto Gorge Posted September 22 Posted September 22 1 minute ago, Matthew Le God said: More than 2 games after the window shuts. If we still look a shambles after 10 league games, then worry. So another 4 games then. I’m sure we will hit the ground running very soon. Look forward to it.
Matthew Le God Posted September 22 Author Posted September 22 11 minutes ago, Mboto Gorge said: So saying we need to wait and see what happens, whilst saying that we now have proper reliable people in charge like Dragan and Spors running things, wasn’t HINTING that things were going to improve? Ok then . I didn't say that. Try not making up things I haven't said. Plus in any case, we are only 2 games post window closing. Let's not write off things improving. 2
Ex Lion Tamer Posted September 22 Posted September 22 (edited) 44 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said: We just got walloped at a relegation favourite who spent the summer rumoured to be struggling to pay their players and only spent £700k in fees. I expected Downs to be quite raw and technically basic in the mould of an early James Beattie or Kenwyne Jones in the sense at least he would keep the central defenders busy/bruised and score the odd goal. For £7m, to have first touch worse than Carlton Palmer’s and to be miskicking in front of goal, the scouts have got to take responsibility there. Bromley’s centre forward Michael Cheek looked miles better than Downs when they won at Cheltenham (even worse than we are)and he’s in League 2 having come from non league. McBurnie looked about ten levels above Downs and he was available on a free! Don’t like McBurnie at all but Downs had to improve x30 to have any impact this season. If he can’t do the basics at least kick and elbow the centre halves in the ribs and win your headers for Archer/AA to get onto. Did he win a single header at Hull? We lost 5-0 to Sunderland two seasons ago and still turned it around under a manager that everyone now considers to be terrible. Pocchetino has been playing Downs for USA so he must see something in him? Edited September 22 by Ex Lion Tamer
AlexLaw76 Posted September 22 Posted September 22 1 hour ago, Ex Lion Tamer said: We lost 5-0 to Sunderland two seasons ago and still turned it around under a manager that everyone now considers to be terrible. Pocchetino has been playing Downs for USA so he must see something in him? Martin was terrible in the premier league. He achieved the bare minimum by finishing in the playoffs 2
Gloucester Saint Posted September 22 Posted September 22 1 hour ago, Ex Lion Tamer said: We lost 5-0 to Sunderland two seasons ago and still turned it around under a manager that everyone now considers to be terrible. Pocchetino has been playing Downs for USA so he must see something in him? Still isn’t going anywhere yet so we will see. Possibly we aren’t using him effectively a bit like with Azaz but I’m struggling to see a core strength with Downs which can be built on whereas with Beattie and Jones you could early on when it was more of struggle. He’s made some decent runs off the ball but every time he’s got into position he’s fallen over/missed the ball altogether/scuffed miles wide. 1
Morse Posted September 22 Posted September 22 Spors is at least partially responsible for the recruitment of Still, the extension of Stephens contract, and the failure to secure a decent keeper or striker. He is bang on brand for SR, and as such should leave the club ASAP.
Ex Lion Tamer Posted September 22 Posted September 22 1 hour ago, Morse said: Spors is at least partially responsible for the recruitment of Still, the extension of Stephens contract, and the failure to secure a decent keeper or striker. He is bang on brand for SR, and as such should leave the club ASAP. If he's bang on brand then they will only replace him with someone similar 3
Gloucester Saint Posted September 22 Posted September 22 27 minutes ago, Ex Lion Tamer said: If he's bang on brand then they will only replace him with someone similar The tragic reality. 2
Gloucester Saint Posted October 8 Posted October 8 @trousers well done for putting some heat on House and Blackmore. Too friendly with the owners by half. Keith got loads of stick on S4E for going on the pre season in Sweden but at least he wasn’t being paid for it unless those two stooges. 1
SuperSAINT Posted October 8 Posted October 8 I did hope to see an interview with him post the window closing.
Suhari Posted October 8 Posted October 8 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said: @trousers well done for putting some heat on House and Blackmore. Too friendly with the owners by half. Keith got loads of stick on S4E for going on the pre season in Sweden but at least he wasn’t being paid for it unless those two stooges. Yep. That's some good work @trousers. I can't help thinking back to the RM interview a couple of weeks ago, when the Rangers press really held his feet to the fire. Saints journalists are too passive. Edited October 8 by Suhari 3
Gloucester Saint Posted October 8 Posted October 8 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Suhari said: Saints journalists are too passive. That goes for the fans as well. They’ll wait until we are 7 points adrift of safety in the Champ next year or the year after to protest and make noise when the horse has bolted and run away over a whole range of hills. Edited October 8 by Gloucester Saint 4
Gloucester Saint Posted October 8 Posted October 8 4 minutes ago, SuperSAINT said: I did hope to see an interview with him post the window closing. Les Reed was the same.
Badger Posted October 8 Posted October 8 4 hours ago, trousers said: Not sure if this is a correct interpretation, but it appears Alfie House is due to be pegged by someone from the club this week. Perhaps tells us all we need to know about the impartiality and accuracy of his reporting. 1 6
HarvSFC Posted October 8 Posted October 8 It would make sense to have the fans forum during the first international break in September. When the squad is finalised, all incoming transfers have been made and players have been sold. Also played a handful of games, so more of an idea. The August slot is all just speculation, and they refuse to comment on speculation. 1
Badger Posted October 8 Posted October 8 30 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said: Les Reed was the same. I was once told by a well known journalist that Reed had declined repeated requests for an interview during our barren years towards the end of his time with us.
Badger Posted October 8 Posted October 8 31 minutes ago, HarvSFC said: It would make sense to have the fans forum during the first international break in September. When the squad is finalised, all incoming transfers have been made and players have been sold. Also played a handful of games, so more of an idea. The August slot is all just speculation, and they refuse to comment on speculation. But someone might ask some difficult and awkward questions. That would never do. Much better that ‘Cretin from Millbrook’* asks about the catering in August. * other cretins are also available to attend these events, and this in no way is meant to imply Millbrook has a monopoly on them ..,
AlexLaw76 Posted October 8 Posted October 8 (edited) 46 minutes ago, Badger said: Not sure if this is a correct interpretation, but it appears Alfie House is due to be pegged by someone from the club this week. Perhaps tells us all we need to know about the impartiality and accuracy of his reporting. I find House a pretty poor local journa, lately at least. He is pretty sneering about anyone questioning the club/manager, other than those saying we should be doing better. If he gets the gig of interviewing anyone, there will be few hard-hitting questions, and any he does pose will be light, ft at all, and not followed up with anything meaningful. We all Blackmore will go no where near anything too pressing. Neither are fans, which shows.... Edited October 8 by AlexLaw76
trousers Posted October 8 Posted October 8 (edited) 54 minutes ago, SuperSAINT said: I did hope to see an interview with him post the window closing. Based on Alfie House's reply, at least we now know that if no interview with Spors surfaces during this international break it's likely that he and/or the club have bottled it and backed out of a previous agreement to give an interview, which would be very telling IMO... Edited October 8 by trousers 1
Gloucester Saint Posted October 8 Posted October 8 (edited) 16 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: I find House a pretty poor local journa, lately at least. He is pretty sneering about anyone questioning the club/manager, other than those saying we should be doing better. If he gets the gig of interviewing anyone, there will be few hard-hitting questions, and any he does pose will be light, ft at all, and not followed up with anything meaningful. We all Blackmore will go no where near anything too pressing. Neither are fans, which shows.... They don’t even need to be fans, it’s just about providing professional and objective scrutiny. Clearly, they are failing to do this. If I had to report on Cheltenham Town or Gloucester Rugby I could do that. Edited October 8 by Gloucester Saint 2
Saint Fan CaM Posted October 8 Posted October 8 What I find hard to accept is that neither Still or more pertinently Spors have provided fans any indication that the loss of Stewart for the foreseeable future will be taken seriously and a replacement found. I understand we don’t want o look desperate, but surely the ineffectiveness of the team and the subsequent financial implications of remaining without a competent CF should be sounding alarm bells ringing all over SMS?
AlexLaw76 Posted October 8 Posted October 8 2 minutes ago, Saint Fan CaM said: What I find hard to accept is that neither Still or more pertinently Spors have provided fans any indication that the loss of Stewart for the foreseeable future will be taken seriously and a replacement found. I understand we don’t want o look desperate, but surely the ineffectiveness of the team and the subsequent financial implications of remaining without a competent CF should be sounding alarm bells ringing all over SMS? What do you mean replacement found? We can't signing anyone until January, right? 1
bugenhagen Posted October 8 Posted October 8 9 minutes ago, Saint Fan CaM said: What I find hard to accept is that neither Still or more pertinently Spors have provided fans any indication that the loss of Stewart for the foreseeable future will be taken seriously and a replacement found. I understand we don’t want o look desperate, but surely the ineffectiveness of the team and the subsequent financial implications of remaining without a competent CF should be sounding alarm bells ringing all over SMS? He was 4th choice striker up untill about a week ago... so I don't think that changes anything for Spors. It's not like they went into the season saying "Stewart is our main no.9", so I doubt there are alarmbells are going off. Sadly...
Saint Fan CaM Posted October 8 Posted October 8 7 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: What do you mean replacement found? We can't signing anyone until January, right? True, we may need to wait until then, however there is the free-agent on a short-term PAYP contract or even the U-21’s team to look at. Relying on Downs, AA or Archer (or anyone else in the 1st team squad) to play CF would be utter madness.
Saint Fan CaM Posted October 8 Posted October 8 (edited) 5 minutes ago, bugenhagen said: He was 4th choice striker up untill about a week ago... so I don't think that changes anything for Spors. It's not like they went into the season saying "Stewart is our main no.9", so I doubt there are alarmbells are going off. Sadly... I actually don’t think Still views his players in that way - he’s said he will play those who suit the system to defeat the opposing team. Having said that he has come to realise that starting Stewart at CF was his best option given the system he wants to play. We saw a small glimpse of what the player (and the team) can achieve - nipped in the bud by a fragile player unfortunately, but I believe he was working hard to become one of the first on the team sheet and will hopefully be viewed as a big loss which needs replacement to mount a serious challenge for the play-offs. Edited October 8 by Saint Fan CaM 1
Weston Super Saint Posted October 8 Posted October 8 On 22/09/2025 at 18:17, Matthew Le God said: More than 2 games after the window shuts. If we still look a shambles after 10 league games, then worry. 9 down and we're 17th, but I guess it's still too early to assess as we haven't hit the arbitrary 10 games yet... 2
bugenhagen Posted October 8 Posted October 8 1 minute ago, Saint Fan CaM said: I actually don’t think Still views his players in that way - he’s said he will play those who suit the system to defeat the opposing team. Having said that he has come to realise that starting Stewart at CF was his best option given the system he wants to play. We saw a small glimpse of what the player (and the team) can achieve - nipped in the bud by a fragile player unfortunately, but I believe he was working hard to become one of the first on the team sheet. It feels more like they got lucky with Stewart. That wasn't planned. He could have had a poor match, and gone to the back of the line again. These are the same people who figured that our goalkeepers are good enough (and Downs)... I am aming this more at Spors than Still, btw. 1
HarvSFC Posted October 8 Posted October 8 (edited) Just checked Nicholas Bignall, because emergency loans don't really happen these days and it was 15 years to this day that he signed. What a signing. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/s/southampton/9074154.stm Edited October 8 by HarvSFC
Saint86 Posted October 8 Posted October 8 I think downs is the bad one frankly. The rest are good players. Scienza is quality, fellows is very good at this level. Jander is going to be a very good player if he can fill out (in the morgan mould with already better passing potential). 2
Miltonaggro Posted October 8 Posted October 8 42 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said: 9 down and we're 17th, but I guess it's still too early to assess as we haven't hit the arbitrary 10 games yet... Then it will be the Christmas line in the sand. 2
Gloucester Saint Posted October 8 Posted October 8 10 minutes ago, Saint86 said: I think downs is the bad one frankly. The rest are good players. Scienza is quality, fellows is very good at this level. Jander is going to be a very good player if he can fill out (in the morgan mould with already better passing potential). The damning thing about Downs - and Spors - is being up against Agyemang at Pride Park and being only 65% of what Damion cost. Agyemang was raw, like Kenwyne Jones was when he joined, but he still gave our defenders plenty of problems and of course got on the scoresheet. If Downs doesn’t have work rate, energy, ability to compete in the air and batter defenders, he hasn’t got an ounce of technical ability to fall back on. The players clearly do not trust him with or without the ball in games. Astonishing him and Jandar played at the same level last season! 6
Saint86 Posted October 8 Posted October 8 (edited) 43 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said: The damning thing about Downs - and Spors - is being up against Agyemang at Pride Park and being only 65% of what Damion cost. Agyemang was raw, like Kenwyne Jones was when he joined, but he still gave our defenders plenty of problems and of course got on the scoresheet. If Downs doesn’t have work rate, energy, ability to compete in the air and batter defenders, he hasn’t got an ounce of technical ability to fall back on. The players clearly do not trust him with or without the ball in games. Astonishing him and Jandar played at the same level last season! He's a much younger player and clearly something has happened to damage his confidence early doors - he played much better in pre season. But right now he lacks confidence, aggression against the ball, and any kind of touch... terrible for us recently. Its an issue now for still to utilise him somehow. Edited October 8 by Saint86 1
Patrick Bateman Posted October 8 Posted October 8 Far too many hard questions are NOT being asked of these people. I wish our fanbase was not so easily manipulated. Why is our recruitment so poor? Who is leading it, who makes the ultimate decisions? Why do we insist on buying unproven "talent" and trying to be clever? What do these people have against buying in older, experienced pros with no resale value? (and I'm not talking about players who contribute nothing like Lallana last season, but for example Keiffer Moore) Why did we not buy a PROVEN Championship striker? (linked to above) Why loan out Ramsdale? Why buy Long? Why loan out Bree? Why buy Mads? What is the actual recruitment strategy? What team, or type of team are we trying to build? Everything is way off here, the strategy is fkd and unclear, the recruitment is bizarre ... just WTF is going on? Stop being so placid and ask the hard questions. Good grief. 7
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