Offside

[East Kent Saint]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cvgngqen0jgo

Seems like a good solution to the big toe offside problem we currently have with VAR IMO.

[vectraman]

26 minutes ago, East Kent Saint said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cvgngqen0jgo

Seems like a good solution to the big toe offside problem we currently have with VAR IMO.

Certainly more sensible than the current rule.

Why not just get rid of offside altogether? Would it lead to higher scoring games? Would take a lot of uncertainty out of whether a goal is a goal or not that *we currently endure.

 

* Not us Saints fans obviously because we rarely ever score - the football fan in general 😉

[ChrisPY]

33 minutes ago, East Kent Saint said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cvgngqen0jgo

Seems like a good solution to the big toe offside problem we currently have with VAR IMO.

Don’t think it’ll solve any VAR issue as it’ll just switch to checking if the defender’s big toe is playing the attacker onside.

[tdmickey3]

4 minutes ago, ChrisPY said:

Don’t think it’ll solve any VAR issue as it’ll just switch to checking if the defender’s big toe is playing the attacker onside.

Are they going to wear sandals now then ?

[Lighthouse]

1 hour ago, tdmickey3 said:

Are they going to wear sandals now then ?

No but strikers will be wearing cowboy boots with massive spurs.

[Saint86]

1 hour ago, ChrisPY said:

Don’t think it’ll solve any VAR issue as it’ll just switch to checking if the defender’s big toe is playing the attacker onside.

Yup, exactly this.

They need to adopt a clear and obvious approach (with benefit of doubt to the attacker, the linesmans still flagging after the fact, and VAR jsut to check obvious errors) - i.e., similar to how it used to be but with the technology there to prevent major miscarriages. None of this mm measuring crap.

Its that or they go the whole hog to automated offsides, with chips in the ball, sleeves, boots etc. and computer systems notifying the ref/linesman of offsides.

Absolutely need to get away from a bunch off unprofessional shite video assistant refs drawing arbitrary fat lines on a low resolution image.

Edited Wednesday at 14:41 by Saint86

[bugenhagen]

5 hours ago, Saint86 said:

Yup, exactly this.

They need to adopt a clear and obvious approach (with benefit of doubt to the attacker, the linesmans still flagging after the fact, and VAR jsut to check obvious errors) - i.e., similar to how it used to be but with the technology there to prevent major miscarriages. None of this mm measuring crap.

Its that or they go the whole hog to automated offsides, with chips in the ball, sleeves, boots etc. and computer systems notifying the ref/linesman of offsides.

Absolutely need to get away from a bunch off unprofessional shite video assistant refs drawing arbitrary fat lines on a low resolution image.

Why are there no sensible people like this in VAR? It's so easy...

[Saint_clark]

This won't solve anything, as someone has already said you're just moving the point of contention. 

[skintsaint]

Errr nope.

 

[trousers]

8 hours ago, vectraman said:

Why not just get rid of offside altogether?

I'd like to see a few trial games to see how it would pan out.

[Saint Fan CaM]

1 hour ago, trousers said:

I'd like to see a few trial games to see how it would pan out.

Agreed - it would be a refreshing change, albeit a significant undertaking to re-train an entire squad in how to play defensively within the new rule.

[Dark Munster]

I've said it before, simply use feet only in determining offside. Nothing is perfect, but by having just one part of the bodies to compare simplifies things. Perhaps they could even put chips in boots and technology to determine which boots is in front.

They use skates (only) in the ice hockey version of offside (you can only enter the attacking zone if the puck enters before your skates). So if anyone says that footballers score with other parts of their bodies apart from feet, so all those should be considered for offside, when was the last time you saw a hockey player score with his skates? It works well for that sport so maybe they should try it in football.

There will always be marginal calls, so make the line thick enough to give the benefit of the doubt to the attacker, and give VAR 30 seconds maximum to rule the goal offside.

[Whitey Grandad]

7 hours ago, Dark Munster said:

I've said it before, simply use feet only in determining offside. Nothing is perfect, but by having just one part of the bodies to compare simplifies things. Perhaps they could even put chips in boots and technology to determine which boots is in front.

They use skates (only) in the ice hockey version of offside (you can only enter the attacking zone if the puck enters before your skates). So if anyone says that footballers score with other parts of their bodies apart from feet, so all those should be considered for offside, when was the last time you saw a hockey player score with his skates? It works well for that sport so maybe they should try it in football.

There will always be marginal calls, so make the line thick enough to give the benefit of the doubt to the attacker, and give VAR 30 seconds maximum to rule the goal offside.

I would use the badge on the chest. Just the one point to be considered. In athletics the chest is what is used to determine who has won a race. 

That still leaves open the method of measurement though.

[BarberSaint]

7 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

I would use the badge on the chest. Just the one point to be considered. In athletics the chest is what is used to determine who has won a race. 

That still leaves open the method of measurement though.

We'd never be offside then. No heart, no chest.

[Whitey Grandad]

50 minutes ago, BarberSaint said:

We'd never be offside then. No heart, no chest.

And no spine.

[sadoldgit]

11 hours ago, trousers said:

I'd like to see a few trial games to see how it would pan out.

Or you could have a line x yards from the goal line which you have to behind when the ball is played to you to prevent the game from becoming too stretched. My fear about no offside is that you will end up with 20 players spread from one end of the pitch to the other. If you reduce the area that will at least compress the area of play.

[sadoldgit]

1 hour ago, Whitey Grandad said:

I would use the badge on the chest. Just the one point to be considered. In athletics the chest is what is used to determine who has won a race. 

That still leaves open the method of measurement though.

How would that work in women’s football though? Some would be disadvantaged.

😉

 

[East Kent Saint]

20 hours ago, vectraman said:

Certainly more sensible than the current rule.

Why not just get rid of offside altogether? Would it lead to higher scoring games? Would take a lot of uncertainty out of whether a goal is a goal or not that *we currently endure.

 

* Not us Saints fans obviously because we rarely ever score - the football fan in general 😉

I think the rule was introduced to stop attacking players hanging around the 6 yard area.

If you watch old games in the sixties when goalies could carry the ball to the edge of the penalty area all the players rushed up the other end to contest the ball from the keeper. The new rules changed all that

 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

10 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said:

I would use the badge on the chest. Just the one point to be considered. In athletics the chest is what is used to determine who has won a race. 

That still leaves open the method of measurement though.

Whitey banned for his on field offside chest measuring in the WSL. 🙂

[Whitey Grandad]

1 hour ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

Whitey banned for his on field offside chest measuring in the WSL. 🙂

I blame the hormones.

I must keep away from eating too much chicken.

[Gloucester Saint]

44 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

I blame the hormones.

I must keep away from eating too much chicken.

Wait until you try the American beef

[Whitey Grandad]

10 hours ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Wait until you try the American beef

I’ve had it in America.

Perhaps that explains it?

[Charlie Wayman]

13 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

I’ve had it in America.

Perhaps that explains it?

Nothing wrong with American beef, it's the best ever beef in the whole world. The world has never seen beef as good as this. You won't believe how good American beef is, wonderful beef produced by our amazing American farmers.  

[East Kent Saint]

The steaks I’ve had in America were excellent mainly because they know how to cook them . In GB you often get a beige steak which may be a good piece of beef but has no visible cooking marks on it ! The American restaurants tend to use an oven grill so the steak comes out nice and dark on the outside but pink in the inside . The only problem is that their steaks are so large it takes 2 days for my body to get over it 😄

[Whitey Grandad]

10 hours ago, East Kent Saint said:

The steaks I’ve had in America were excellent mainly because they know how to cook them . In GB you often get a beige steak which may be a good piece of beef but has no visible cooking marks on it ! The American restaurants tend to use an oven grill so the steak comes out nice and dark on the outside but pink in the inside . The only problem is that their steaks are so large it takes 2 days for my body to get over it 😄

Steaks in Europe are good too. It all depends on whether they are allowed to use tenderisers.