New Manager Debate

[Lee On Solent Saint]

2 minutes ago, Sarnia Cherie said:

Especially when those wins were QPR and Sheffield Wednesday. 

And said wins weren't exactly convincing 

[hypochondriac]

Just now, S-Clarke said:

As far as I can tell, we are in that dangerous holding pattern which equates to ''The club are comfortable with the current situation'' - so you won't see any news, and zero rumours.

The club want Tonda to get the job, that much is clear. At this stage I don't expect any new manager this side of Christmas and we'll bumble along with Tonda.

Not sure I agree. He needs to perform at least averagely well and keep us out of the relegation zone or the club will make a change. I do wonder though if he performs alright over the next week if they will announce anything or just keep him as a permanent interim. 

[Miltonaggro]

8 minutes ago, SaintNewForest said:

Pretty sure it was reported somewhere that it was Dragan personal decision to sack him, yeah. 

In Serbian Trollope translates as 'mediocre'...

[Graziano94]

3 hours ago, skintsaint said:

Its more about playing 3 centrebacks and still being defensively shite, all over the place at the back.

 

What on earth was that kick-off 

[Dusic]

12 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

And said wins weren't exactly convincing 

Come on! If a new manager who most on here liked the name of had got those results people would have said it was an excellent start bearing in mind we had won 2 of 13 league games before that!

Personally not a huge fan of him being given the role but even as a caretaker he couldn't really have done more than two wins - one where we showed some actual fight when clearly very low on confidence to get over the line away from home and another with our best in possession performance of the season and the most comfortable home win for about 18 months!

What did you expect from those two games?!

 

[hypochondriac]

9 minutes ago, Dusic said:

Come on! If a new manager who most on here liked the name of had got those results people would have said it was an excellent start bearing in mind we had won 2 of 13 league games before that!

Personally not a huge fan of him being given the role but even as a caretaker he couldn't really have done more than two wins - one where we showed some actual fight when clearly very low on confidence to get over the line away from home and another with our best in possession performance of the season and the most comfortable home win for about 18 months!

What did you expect from those two games?!

 

It was a good start and he deserves some credit but the manner of the results (lets remember it's been two games, one of which he had a couple of games to do anything) is pertinent to the discussion. You could argue that QPR away was comparable to the sheffield united game in that they were two poor teams low on confidence and we managed to scrape over the line in both when we could easily have lost given how much we gave to the opposition. No one can seriously laud the sheffield wednesday performance as our most comfortable win in 18 months as if that is a big achievement. They have half a team and are forced to play their third game in a week with the same group of players because they have no alternatives. It's most likely the easiest team we have played over the last two years.

[Starksj1995]

2 hours ago, Chris cooper said:

All the other clubs without coaches are now about to fill their positions.. or are very close ! 
we are deathly silent which is obvious we are waiting to see if wonder boy Tonda beats Charlton.. if we draw it will drag on to Leicester.. lose then I think SR will be in a uncomfortable position with the fans …. Win he gets the job imo 

I can’t see him getting it ft not after fab was told he was only here interm and that’s it 

[SuperSAINT]

30 minutes ago, Dusic said:

Come on! If a new manager who most on here liked the name of had got those results people would have said it was an excellent start bearing in mind we had won 2 of 13 league games before that!

Personally not a huge fan of him being given the role but even as a caretaker he couldn't really have done more than two wins - one where we showed some actual fight when clearly very low on confidence to get over the line away from home and another with our best in possession performance of the season and the most comfortable home win for about 18 months!

What did you expect from those two games?!

 

As a side note, it will be interesting to see how we look after 2 weeks of his coaching.  (Charlton are obviously a considerable level up from QPR & Weds, of course).

[The Realist]

pretty sure SR will wait to see how we get on for the next 3 games.  Like already said, 5 points or more and Tonda will be announced as permanent manager - plan A.  If we achieve <5 points, plan B kicks in (if the manager SR have identified is still available).

[Lee On Solent Saint]

30 minutes ago, Dusic said:

Come on! If a new manager who most on here liked the name of had got those results people would have said it was an excellent start bearing in mind we had won 2 of 13 league games before that!

Personally not a huge fan of him being given the role but even as a caretaker he couldn't really have done more than two wins - one where we showed some actual fight when clearly very low on confidence to get over the line away from home and another with our best in possession performance of the season and the most comfortable home win for about 18 months!

What did you expect from those two games?!

 

That's fine. But it hardly bodes well if he does get the gig full time. We struggled like fuck in the last 20 minutes or so against QPR and the fact that he got lucky in facing a team that are somehow worse than us is no particular indicator of manager ability.

[Charlie Wayman]

It's not difficult to understand SR's dilemma and the hesitancy over their next managerial appointment having ballsed it up five times in a row and with vultures (fans) squawking overhead in anticipation of another discarded carcass. They must feel sometimes that they just cannot win. 

Doing nothing seems to be their best option at the moment - i.e., promoting from within - and the least risky to their reputation and bank balance. They may have taken the view that Eckert may not succeed but nor would there be any guarantee that a new outside appointee would fare any better in which case they might as well stick with Eckert and hope their luck turns. 

A win on Saturday and my bet is he's got the job for the rest of the season.

[OldNick]

1 hour ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

Yep. It's painful obvious that he has the job. SR just need to grow a pair and own their decision and announce it. Hardly a ringing endorsement for him if the club are apprehensive about announcing it. This club is so pathetic if they believe he is the best available to us.

Why appoint him yet.? They have the ideal situation. They can let him have a test drive and if the car runs smoothly they can then appoint or not appoint, that is the question

[OldNick]

16 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

That's fine. But it hardly bodes well if he does get the gig full time. We struggled like fuck in the last 20 minutes or so against QPR and the fact that he got lucky in facing a team that are somehow worse than us is no particular indicator of manager ability.

Do you understand how fragile the players confidence was at that stage? I know watching that after they pulled one back and having Baz in goal no wonder they were edgy.

Football is a confidence game and the players are fragile especially after last season. I wonder if towards the end of the season they might not be very keen to go up!!!

[Chris cooper]

37 minutes ago, Starksj1995 said:

I can’t see him getting it ft not after fab was told he was only here interm and that’s it 

Don’t think they give a fuck what fab think ., red herring mate 

[tdmickey3]

Can we re name this thread to "The timewasting search for the next manager" 

Dither, dither

Are they waiting for an international break.... oh wait 

Edited 1 hour ago by tdmickey3

[hypochondriac]

21 minutes ago, Charlie Wayman said:

It's not difficult to understand SR's dilemma and the hesitancy over their next managerial appointment having ballsed it up five times in a row and with vultures (fans) squawking overhead in anticipation of another discarded carcass. They must feel sometimes that they just cannot win. 

Doing nothing seems to be their best option at the moment - i.e., promoting from within - and the least risky to their reputation and bank balance. They may have taken the view that Eckert may not succeed but nor would there be any guarantee that a new outside appointee would fare any better in which case they might as well stick with Eckert and hope their luck turns. 

A win on Saturday and my bet is he's got the job for the rest of the season.

Feck off.

[Topcat]

What type of result at Charlton on Saturday would it force the Club to end this temporary arrangement?   I suggest some huge scale of defeat greater than a 3-0.  After all, Nathan Jones will be looking for a win in revenge for his sacking.  Charlton are just 2 points off a playoff spot.

[tdmickey3]

3 minutes ago, Topcat said:

What type of result at Charlton on Saturday would it force the Club to end this temporary arrangement?   I suggest some huge scale of defeat greater than a 3-0.  After all, Nathan Jones will be looking for a win in revenge for his sacking.  Charlton are just 2 points off a playoff spot.

The sudden realisation of their stupidity, so expect it to stay the same irrespective 

[saintant]

Tondra has clearly been told he is in charge for the next 3 games. He's got the Charlton game then Leicester is only 3 days later so no point changing then it's another 4 days until Millwall. They are 3 tough fixtures so I can't see us getting much. If that's the case SR will face more supporter unrest of their own making. They should have had an appointment lined up but have allowed the situation to drift which leaves fans believing they are hoping Tondra gets some decent results so they can get the cheap option as usual. They never seem to learn.

[saintant]

16 minutes ago, Topcat said:

What type of result at Charlton on Saturday would it force the Club to end this temporary arrangement?   I suggest some huge scale of defeat greater than a 3-0.  After all, Nathan Jones will be looking for a win in revenge for his sacking.  Charlton are just 2 points off a playoff spot.

He's got the Leicester game whatever the result on Saturday - no point changing for a game that's only 3 days away. You don't give a new manager a couple of days to prepare for a tough fixture like Leicester at home and they usually beat us as well.

[trousers]

4 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

Phillip Clement looks like he's going to Norwich. Looks like quite a promising appointment on the face of it.

A manager with a good level of experience at this sort of level and an impressive win %.... one therefore assumes he was nowhere near Sport Republic's short-list given these decent attributes...?

[hypochondriac]

10 minutes ago, trousers said:

A manager with a good level of experience at this sort of level and an impressive win %.... one therefore assumes he was nowhere near Sport Republic's short-list given these decent attributes...?

All appointments are a risk to some extent but I'd take him over Tonda.

[DT]

Rival team acts to appoint proper manager before us, shock.

FFS get on with it, Saints. Dither dither dither.

[Tommy Mulgrew]

58 minutes ago, OldNick said:

I wonder if towards the end of the season they might not be very keen to go up

Unless we appoint the right person, and that is not Tundra, I doubt you need concern yourself unduly about that.  ☹️

[OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint]

2 hours ago, S-Clarke said:

As far as I can tell, we are in that dangerous holding pattern which equates to ''The club are comfortable with the current situation'' - so you won't see any news, and zero rumours.

The club want Tonda to get the job, that much is clear. At this stage I don't expect any new manager this side of Christmas and we'll bumble along with Tonda, until it becomes obvious the job is too big for him and the season is effectively done and dusted.

We are witnessing the next SR masterclass of club management unfold in front of our eyes.

This is exactly how I see it. Spors wants Tonda; the others are saying let's not rush in to a decision like we did with Selles, so we're in this holding pattern. If we get 4-6 points from Charlton, Leicester & Millwall, we'll continue with him. Any more than that and I can see him being offered the role to the end of the season.

The problem comes if we blow up against these teams because it doesn't sound like they've got anyone in line for the role.

[Pwoite]

4 minutes ago, DT said:

Rival team acts to appoint proper manager before us, shock.

FFS get on with it, Saints. Dither dither dither.

Why?
 

There is no obvious candidate, and everyone suggested, so far, has had as many detractors as supporters.

Appointing today doesn’t help with three matches in eight days looming. 

Eckart could not have done more in the first two matches in terms of results. Whilst I don’t particularly want him permanently, a two week break will have enabled him and the players to work on a few things.

If the club has identified a candidate, currently working, then presumably we are negotiating a settlement, which takes time. Whilst I have limited confidence in SR making the right call on this, I have a little more faith in Spors.

Let’s see how the next one, two or three performances look like, any improvements, player response. Whilst it seems that Still wasn’t inspiring, maybe this guy is. No point throwing this 32 year old baby out with the bath water.

 

 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

1 hour ago, Charlie Wayman said:

They must feel sometimes that they just cannot win. 
 

Our not winning is frequently more than a feeling. 🙂

 

[lambtiss]

1 hour ago, hypochondriac said:

It was a good start and he deserves some credit but the manner of the results (lets remember it's been two games, one of which he had a couple of games to do anything) is pertinent to the discussion. You could argue that QPR away was comparable to the sheffield united game in that they were two poor teams low on confidence and we managed to scrape over the line in both when we could easily have lost given how much we gave to the opposition. No one can seriously laud the sheffield wednesday performance as our most comfortable win in 18 months as if that is a big achievement. They have half a team and are forced to play their third game in a week with the same group of players because they have no alternatives. It's most likely the easiest team we have played over the last two years.

I agree. I was also disappointed to see Bazunu return in goal; he almost cost us the 3 points against QPR.

[Toadhall Saint]

Just now, lambtiss said:

I agree. I was also disappointed to see Bazunu return in goal; he almost cost us the 3 points against QPR.

That and no actual leaders on the pitch. A decent skipper gets a grip of the team and stops us defending on the penalty spot. 

[aintforever]

10 minutes ago, Pwoite said:

 

Appointing today doesn’t help with three matches in eight days looming. 

 

…because the clowns in charge have failed to act decisively again. A new, experienced manger should have been brought in the day after Still got sacked.

It’s as if their strategy is: Because we don’t know what we’re doing, hiring anyone is a gamble. So let’s just give another cheap yes man a crack and see if it works again.

[Lee On Solent Saint]

1 hour ago, OldNick said:

Do you understand how fragile the players confidence was at that stage? I know watching that after they pulled one back and having Baz in goal no wonder they were edgy.

Football is a confidence game and the players are fragile especially after last season. I wonder if towards the end of the season they might not be very keen to go up!!!

So why put Baz back in goal? You saying players are fragile after last season is a bit of a stretch when we have had an influx of players not tainted by that shit show. 

[Oh no Mick Mills]

2 hours ago, SuperSAINT said:

As a side note, it will be interesting to see how we look after 2 weeks of his coaching.  (Charlton are obviously a considerable level up from QPR & Weds, of course).

Going by watching the U21s , Eckert will play 3 cbs and possession based as I believe this is his preferred style.

Personally I'm not too bothered on formation or style of football.

I just want to see a Saints team thats confident and focused and understands what they're meant to be doing....time will tell. 

[DT]

16 minutes ago, aintforever said:

…because the clowns in charge have failed to act decisively again. A new, experienced manger should have been brought in the day after Still got sacked.

It’s as if their strategy is: Because we don’t know what we’re doing, hiring anyone is a gamble. So let’s just give another cheap yes man a crack and see if it works again.

Eventually, Rasmus will find his next Thomas Frank, after which he can get more stiffies as he combs his hair, gazing on his genius reflection in the mirror, and practicing his next Ted Talk speech thing, with requisite hand gestures as he paces the stage. "Rethinking reflections". Smashing mirrors and making them work in a new way, not thought of by any other people in the entire WORLD who need to brush their teeth. Or something. In the meantime we get relegated and go bust. Cheers Ras!

[Pwoite]

18 minutes ago, aintforever said:

…because the clowns in charge have failed to act decisively again. A new, experienced manger should have been brought in the day after Still got sacked.

It’s as if their strategy is: Because we don’t know what we’re doing, hiring anyone is a gamble. So let’s just give another cheap yes man a crack and see if it works again.

I fear your second paragraph may well be true, but I can’t accept the first.

if Dragan sacked Still, rather than Spors doing the deed, then there was no time to line up candidates. Maybe clandestine conversations had taken place, we don’t know, and maybe Gary O’Neill was being lined up, but again we don’t know. SR have made many poor decisions, so I think time, consideration and some common sense are required this time.