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3 minutes ago, benjii said:

Carrick is good enough for Man U, but I'm glad we weren't seduced by the hype and went for a data-driven, clever choice, instead.

the data tells us that our use of data driven outcomes is flawed.

John Boy Saint

John Boy Saint

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7 minutes ago, benjii said:

Carrick is good enough for Man U, but I'm glad we weren't seduced by the hype and went for a data-driven, clever choice, instead.

Man U haven't been clever in any department since SAF hung up his whistle - been a while since they have been a benchmark .........................unless you want to consider buying nothing plays at over inflated prices and having your pants pulled down royally in the process - think we have followed their lead on that one well: relative to our finances.

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S-Clarke

S-Clarke

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2 hours ago, Saint NL said:

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This guy is giving off big David Brent energy

He may go on and be a huge success at Chelsea, but logic dictates that he won't. He hasn't helped himself by talking nonsense though.

Going into a Chelsea press conference and saying that 'I'm good at what I do' isn't confidence from his perspective, it's setting yourself up to fail. Speaking waffle like above isn't confidence, it's setting yourself up to fail.

Of course Jose came in and proclaimed he was the special one, but he had league Trophies, Champions League Trophies behind him to somewhat give his confidence a bit of credibility. This guy failed at Hull - a squad including Delap, Carvalho, Giles, Twine, Philogene, Zaourey, Greaves, Seri should not have finished outside the playoffs. He then took Strasbourg to mid-table in France, nothing to shout about either. What he's achieved does not give him any edge to start shouting about like he is. 

There were genuine links to him in the summer, I think we'd have grabbed him if he was obtainable - but I never rated him. He's another modern philosophy-driven manager, who talks corporate guff to appease the people who actually make the decisions above him.

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saintant

saintant

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9 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

He may go on and be a huge success at Chelsea, but logic dictates that he won't. He hasn't helped himself by talking nonsense though.

Going into a Chelsea press conference and saying that 'I'm good at what I do' isn't confidence from his perspective, it's setting yourself up to fail. Speaking waffle like above isn't confidence, it's setting yourself up to fail.

Of course Jose came in and proclaimed he was the special one, but he had league Trophies, Champions League Trophies behind him to somewhat give his confidence a bit of credibility. This guy failed at Hull - a squad including Delap, Carvalho, Giles, Twine, Philogene, Zaourey, Greaves, Seri should not have finished outside the playoffs. He then took Strasbourg to mid-table in France, nothing to shout about either. What he's achieved does not give him any edge to start shouting about like he is. 

There were genuine links to him in the summer, I think we'd have grabbed him if he was obtainable - but I never rated him. He's another modern philosophy-driven manager, who talks corporate guff to appease the people who actually make the decisions above him.

This corporate guff is what is ruining football. Rich people who think they are clever have infiltrated football clubs. They don't want to be coaches but their huge egos lead them to actually believe that they know enough about the game to warrant influencing what goes on and how the game should be played. It is a slippery slope and things are getting worse. High time the grass roots guys who know and love the game took back control but the stark reality is that money talks so these charlatans can buy their way in and manipulate the narrative. We have first hand knowledge of how damaging such charlatans can be once they attain position of power and influence.

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Badger

Badger

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12 hours ago, Saint NL said:

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This guy is giving off big David Brent energy

Seemed a hipster cunt at Hull, and living up to that now.

Glad we’ve given this one a wide berth , an ego to match Russell.

Expect him to be out of Stamford Bridge by October. 

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saintant

saintant

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18 minutes ago, Badger said:

Seemed a hipster cunt at Hull, and living up to that now.

Glad we’ve given this one a wide berth , an ego to match Russell.

Expect him to be out of Stamford Bridge by October. 

He probably will but his bank account will look pretty healthy. 

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Gloucester Saint

Gloucester Saint

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29 minutes ago, Patrick Bateman said:

Man Age ... brilliant(ly cringeworthy), what a bell. 

I’d much rather listen to a seasoned football manager like Stevie Cotterill at my local club than idiots like him, Tonda, Martin, Maresca and the other bullshitters. 

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SaintNewForest

SaintNewForest

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Christ, all this hipster business corporate bullshit is doing my head in. Technical directors dictating styles of play with no accountability as well. Managers nothing more than a glorified cone and bib man. 

Chelsea and Man Utd (and us!) are everything wrong with modern football. 

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S-Clarke

S-Clarke

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2 hours ago, JohnnyShearer2.0 said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cj9rw324zmpo

Some sombre facts there.

Most possession in the Championship. 

Most build up in the Championship. 

Armstrong is the top scorer (great) but has had over 80 shots! 

I saw those stats, to those at the club they are sadly evidence that everything is fine. They're doing it right etc.
But those sorts of stats are stats without context, because when you watch it with your own eyes the passing sequences, possession etc happens between the centre backs, GK and full backs. That's where the stats get the tick up, of course oppos are happy for us to do it there.

I'd be interested to see our possession stats in the final third, rather than an overall. I'd predict it would be very low.

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SaintNewForest

SaintNewForest

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1 minute ago, S-Clarke said:

I saw those stats, to those at the club they are sadly evidence that everything is fine. They're doing it right etc.
But those sorts of stats are stats without context, because when you watch it with your own eyes the passing sequences, possession etc happens between the centre backs, GK and full backs. That's where the stats get the tick up, of course oppos are happy for us to do it there.

I'd be interested to see our possession stats in the final third, rather than an overall. I'd predict it would be very low.

That's allon page 2; Rasmus hasn't got to that point in his spreadsheet yet. 

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Gloucester Saint

Gloucester Saint

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9 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

I saw those stats, to those at the club they are sadly evidence that everything is fine. They're doing it right etc.
But those sorts of stats are stats without context, because when you watch it with your own eyes the passing sequences, possession etc happens between the centre backs, GK and full backs. That's where the stats get the tick up, of course oppos are happy for us to do it there.

I'd be interested to see our possession stats in the final third, rather than an overall. I'd predict it would be very low.

Plus it’s as dreadful to watch as Branfoot’s ‘the full backs hit diagonals in the channels looking for the big lump’ style. Both are anti-football.

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Willo of Whiteley

Willo of Whiteley

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Stats mean absolutely fuck all. 

If you don’t score one goal more than the opposition then it’s all irrelevant.

Nothing should matter more.

Not really sure why most managers want to play pretty nowadays, play effective.

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JohnnyShearer2.0

JohnnyShearer2.0

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2 minutes ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

Stats mean absolutely fuck all. 

If you don’t score one goal more than the opposition then it’s all irrelevant.

Nothing should matter more.

Not really sure why most managers want to play pretty nowadays, play effective.

Yep. Thats why i had hope when Still came in saying he's here to win....little did we know then of what was going to transpire.

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S-Clarke

S-Clarke

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Just now, Gloucester Saint said:

Plus it’s as dreadful to watch as Branfoot’s ‘the full backs hit diagonals in the channels looking for the big lump’ style. Both are anti-football.

It's absolutely anti football, propaganda football you could call it. It's not just us who do it, all these low-calibre managers instruct it because it makes them look better than they are and incorrectly inflates statistics and 'data'.

I think it was all borne out of the tika-taka Barca days, clubs trying to be the next Barca/Man City, managers trying to be the next pep (it's all about possession football). That's one part of it, and they ignored the fact that Pep had some of the best players in the world at his instruction to implement it.

Try the same with fricking Downes and Manning and you get what we've got.

I think you have to ensure any team trying to play 'catch up' with the big clubs is full of pace and power, lots of energy and use that to press hard and counter on the 'better sides'. That's what makes these teams uncomfortable, if you try to copy them (which is what too many teams are doing) then they will sit back, wait for you to get bored and just pounce - and football then becomes boring, predictable and full of false platitudes. (like Pep coming out and praising us, after thumping us 4-0)

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Gloucester Saint

Gloucester Saint

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7 minutes ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

Stats mean absolutely fuck all. 

If you don’t score one goal more than the opposition then it’s all irrelevant.

Nothing should matter more.

Not really sure why most managers want to play pretty nowadays, play effective.

I’d dispute whether it’s pretty at all. Liverpool did it in the 1980s during the last 10 minutes of games before the backpass rule to the keeper (one of the reasons it was introduced) to kill off narrow wins frequently. 

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JohnnyShearer2.0

JohnnyShearer2.0

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9 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

Is that a problem?

And if it is, why?

Have you seen him in the last several games? Snatching at shots or poor shots at the keeper when possible other passes are on. 

I'm implying his shots to conversion rate is tanking.

S-Clarke

S-Clarke

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Just now, Saint NL said:

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Probably just as well that we didn't get Carrick, I'm not sure our players are capable of "high alert"

Those sorts of tweets are so transparent, because it's building the narrative out there that he'd be 'Fine' as permanent and they don't need to go and get anyone better in the summer.

We saw exactly this with Tonda. It's so obviously club planting seeds.

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Saint NL

Saint NL

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I hope they have the same result as with Tonda then.

I get as much enjoyment out of watching the big clubs fail as I do watching Saints these days (not much tbf).

tdmickey3

tdmickey3

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30 minutes ago, Saint NL said:

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I like this guy more every day. Shame we'll only see him for a few months 😢

One or two of our players would stand on a piece and injure themselves and be out for a month

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coalman

coalman

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6 minutes ago, tdmickey3 said:

One or two of our players would stand on a piece and injure themselves and be out for a month

It's not being injured. It's inducing a month of tactical rest to stay fresh for the run in. Don't want those intensity levels dropping and it's a luxury of having such a large squad.

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tdmickey3

tdmickey3

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44 minutes ago, Saint NL said:

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I like this guy more every day. Shame we'll only see him for a few months 😢

Downes would build a model of Russell Martin.. 

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Whitey Grandad

Whitey Grandad

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5 hours ago, JohnnyShearer2.0 said:

Have you seen him in the last several games? Snatching at shots or poor shots at the keeper when possible other passes are on. 

I'm implying his shots to conversion rate is tanking.

He's still top goalscorer.  

Convict Colony

Convict Colony

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Headlines clickbait headlines aside rosenoir did very well at hull and has done well at strasbourg, he would be good for us.

Carrick is only blowing people's minds in training as all the foreign lads have no clue what he is saying.

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Convict Colony

Convict Colony

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4 hours ago, Saint NL said:

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I like this guy more every day. Shame we'll only see him for a few months 😢

we could never do that here, Ross Stewart would stand on a block and do his acl and Flynn Downes would eat some and inflame his gut for another 4 weeks shitting out lego.

Willo of Whiteley

Willo of Whiteley

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6 hours ago, S-Clarke said:

Those sorts of tweets are so transparent, because it's building the narrative out there that he'd be 'Fine' as permanent and they don't need to go and get anyone better in the summer.

We saw exactly this with Tonda. It's so obviously club planting seeds.

Almost as on point as the Saints players “we love Tonda” propaganda.

coalman

coalman

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21 minutes ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

Almost as on point as the Saints players “we love Tonda” propaganda.

They do love Tonda. He's like a younger beardless Martin with wide eyes you could lose yourself in.

coalman

coalman

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4 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

You could say that about any forward.

I think you could argue Armstrong could pass more. Promising positions get wasted because his first instinct is to lash it at goal. That being said it's a welcome change from the rest of the shot shy bunch.

I'd like Armstrong to shoot a bit less and the rest to shoot more. Plus to turn back less in attacking positions.

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