Tonda Eckert

[Lighthouse]

3 minutes ago, Nordic Saint said:

Jose Fonte would have been an ideal temporary appointment and he probably would have been happy to do it, but Sunderland have got him now. I've never really seen Lallana as managerial material.

He’s been a coach for like a month, how does that make him ideal or better than Lallana?

[Miltonaggro]

I was surprised by the club's stance towards the EFL when the case broke.  Admitting the accusation /causation, allowing two other counts, and then agreeing to an accelerated timescale for the hearing was an honourable if naive approach, certainly not what would have been expected of most of the clubs in our division in the mix for the mega money playoff on merit.  I anticipated the crisis strategy would be deny, set up a lengthy internal investigation (pad out), internally mitigate with those accused, and then threaten litigation if the punishment set by the regulator was excessive (external scrutiny).  Solak has repeat form for this in his business dealings.  SFC only seemed to wake up to reality at the 11th hour in the appeal hearing with the desparate panic to mobilise David Pannick.  Far too little far too late.  

My gut feeling is that this time around the response may be different, and there will have been discrete communication between the club and the FA that excessive punishment towards the manager won't be accepted without consequences.  We will find out soon enough.

[obelisk]

12 minutes ago, Miltonaggro said:

I was surprised by the club's stance towards the EFL when the case broke.  Admitting the accusation /causation, allowing two other counts, and then agreeing to an accelerated timescale for the hearing was an honourable if naive approach, certainly not what would have been expected of most of the clubs in our division in the mix for the mega money playoff on merit.  I anticipated the crisis strategy would be deny, set up a lengthy internal investigation (pad out), internally mitigate with those accused, and then threaten litigation if the punishment set by the regulator was excessive (external scrutiny).  Solak has repeat form for this in his business dealings.  SFC only seemed to wake up to reality at the 11th hour in the appeal hearing with the desparate panic to mobilise David Pannick.  Far too little far too late.  

My gut feeling is that this time around the response may be different, and there will have been discrete communication between the club and the FA that excessive punishment towards the manager won't be accepted without consequences.  We will find out soon enough.

I presume that the rushed mea culpa approach to the EFL's charges was designed to bring the overblown matter to a swift conclusion with a fine and a slap on the wrist. Trouble is the biased EFL kangaroo court had other ideas and served up the death penalty for what most of the football world sees as a trivial offence. I suspect that Solak has learned a very hard lesson that the blazers who run football cannot be trusted and will act accordingly.

[Turkish]

2 minutes ago, obelisk said:

I presume that the rushed mea culpa approach to the EFL's charges was designed to bring the overblown matter to a swift conclusion with a fine and a slap on the wrist. Trouble is the biased EFL kangaroo court had other ideas and served up the death penalty for what most of the football world sees as a trivial offence. I suspect that Solak has learned a very hard lesson that the blazers who run football cannot be trusted and will act accordingly.

Yep, Parsons even said to Gibbo, Sorry Steve, we'll admit we're guilty and pay the fine, or words to that effect. Clearly didn't realise what would follow with Middlesborough stirring it all up and pushing for the most severe penalty. It was even said in the media by Simon Jordan i think, that even they thought it was all a bit something of nothing umtil they realised they could get an advantage from it. 

[Nordic Saint]

10 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Yep, Parsons even said to Gibbo, Sorry Steve, we'll admit we're guilty and pay the fine, or words to that effect. Clearly didn't realise what would follow with Middlesborough stirring it all up and pushing for the most severe penalty. It was even said in the media by Simon Jordan i think, that even they thought it was all a bit something of nothing umtil they realised they could get an advantage from it. 

Yes, it was all about what advantage Middlesbrough could gain from it. Neither Ipswich nor Oxford  seemed particularly bothered, as they couldn't see any benefit from it and analysts watching other teams' training sessions wasn't considered anything out of the ordinary.

I still wonder whether it was a case of entrapment using  information provided by the junior analyst who went back to Middlesbrough after a brief stint at Southampton. 

Edited 1 hour ago by Nordic Saint

[revolution saint]

56 minutes ago, Miltonaggro said:

 

My gut feeling is that this time around the response may be different, and there will have been discrete communication between the club and the FA that excessive punishment towards the manager won't be accepted without consequences.  We will find out soon enough.

A lot of people seem to be saying stuff like this but, genuine question, what could we actually do?  We've pleaded guilty to the charges, there's already precedent in the punishment given to the Canadian Womens Manager but more importantly - I don't see what leverage we have.  Just feels like wishful thinking in the same way we didn't think we'd get chucked out of the playoffs.  I'm sure we'll appeal or have appealed if it feels excessive but don't think we'll do very much outside of that.
Hopefully the punishment isn't too severe.

[obelisk]

1 minute ago, revolution saint said:

there's already precedent in the punishment given to the Canadian Womens Manager

Didn't that amount to something like a 4 match ban?

[revolution saint]

1 minute ago, obelisk said:

Didn't that amount to something like a 4 match ban?

I think it was 12 months during which they played 6 games so depends which way you look at it.  The ban itself was talked about as a 12 month ban.  Regardless, that still doesn't really answer the question about what consequences we could enact if we feel the penalty is too excessive.

[Miltonaggro]

1 minute ago, revolution saint said:

A lot of people seem to be saying stuff like this but, genuine question, what could we actually do?  We've pleaded guilty to the charges, there's already precedent in the punishment given to the Canadian Womens Manager but more importantly - I don't see what leverage we have.  Just feels like wishful thinking in the same way we didn't think we'd get chucked out of the playoffs.  I'm sure we'll appeal or have appealed if it feels excessive but don't think we'll do very much outside of that.
Hopefully the punishment isn't too severe.

Football regulators are no different from any other commercial regulator in terms of their powers, and exceeding their powers / appearing to act subjectively.  A regulatory body is never above the law, so there is always recourse, a further independent level / test.  Essentially, that's the key thing, commercial or reputational damage due to the regulator exceeding their powers, or applying their powers inconsistently.  

[revolution saint]

Just now, Miltonaggro said:

Football regulators are no different from any other commercial regulator in terms of their powers, and exceeding their powers / appearing to act subjectively.  A regulatory body is never above the law, so there is always recourse, a further independent level / test.  Essentially, that's the key thing, commercial or reputational damage due to the regulator exceeding their powers, or applying their powers inconsistently.  

So a legal challenge that could drag on?  Yeah, I guess we could but personally I don't think we'd get very far and I don't think the FA will be too bothered either.

[Miltonaggro]

14 minutes ago, revolution saint said:

So a legal challenge that could drag on?  Yeah, I guess we could but personally I don't think we'd get very far and I don't think the FA will be too bothered either.

They would if they lost.