NickG Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 (edited) Southampton head coach Mark Wotte has said he has rejected several offers for some of his players. Midfielder Andrew Surman, striker Adam Lallana and goalkeeper Kelvin Davis have all been linked with moves away from the St Mary's Stadium. Wotte told BBC Radio Solent: "We had a couple of bids but for ridiculously low money. We're not that desperate, to sell for peanuts." Wotte has declined to reveal details of the bids or players involved. "Maybe for ridiculous money you have to sell someone but not because other clubs think you have financial problems," Wotte added. "It's not important which clubs were involved, or which players, but we won't be selling any of our best players for that kind of money." Wotte also confirmed midfielder Rudi Skacel has turned down a six-month loan move to a German club. "Rudi wanted a longer deal from the club he was talking to," he said. "I've said to him he's welcome to stay and become a squad member again but only if he puts all of this transfer talk out of his head Edited 2 February, 2009 by NickG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 2 February, 2009 Author Share Posted 2 February, 2009 The chairman of Swansea City has told Saints that his club will not be held to ransom in its bid to sign Nathan Dyer. Swansea are not prepared to pay more than £500,000 for the flying winger, but Saints are unwilling to sell at that price. Dyer has helped Swansea to five successive wins since joining three weeks ago, but new Saints boss Mark Wotte wants him back at St Mary’s when his loan expires at the end of the season. The 21-year-old is the only player Saints have received an offer for during the transfer window and Swansea chairman Huw Jenkins is unlikely to improve it. "I don't like to be pushed into a corner," he explained, "and the fact that the transfer window is about to close means there is not much room for negotiation. "You don't want to be in a position where there's a gun held to your head and I can tell you that if a deal is not right for Swansea City, it will not happen. "We explore every possibility and we look at every situation, but these things have to be done on our terms." Despite being in regular discussion with Saints chairman Rupert Lowe over Dyer, Jenkins is no closer to an agreement. He continued: “Nathan has come to us on loan and done quite well and he suits the way we play. But at the same time he hasn't played a lot of football recently, so it's not easy to place a value on someone like that. "We have our valuation, though, and there is no way we are going to suddenly change our mind and say 'Let's gamble and see what happens'. "We are still hopeful that something could happen but there will have to be a change at their end. If there isn't, we'll wait until the summer and see where we are then." After ten-man Saints drew with a Dyer-less Swansea at St Mary’s on Saturday, new boss Mark Wotte said: "It was on my advice that we gave Nathan a three-year contract last summer. "I worked a lot with him in the reserves and, though he had a bad period in his life, I was very confident in the boy. He went on loan to Sheffield United, which wasn't the best decision, but now he is doing very well at Swansea and as far as I'm concerned we will use him again next season. "Nathan can be a world-class player like Theo Walcott or Aaron Lennon. He has the same potential I think, so we will not sell him on the cheap. "My advice to the board will be to keep him and his contract is not a problem for us. It's pretty good. "But if there's a bid for a lot of money probably this club needs money so we might sell him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 Bloody hell, Ever since day one Skacel hasn't known if he's coming or going! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 2 February, 2009 Author Share Posted 2 February, 2009 looks like Skacel has turned down another move away and is going to be given another chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 My conclusion, we are not as hard up as people keep saying. Rupert is just trying to lower expectations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Third Division South Days Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 If it was possible Skacel would get a first with distinction for "Procastination" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 I really hope Wotte has a word with Skacel and gets him wanting to play for us again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 2 February, 2009 Author Share Posted 2 February, 2009 still no-one out and 3 in this window! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 I said a while back Lallana & Surman were staying. LongShot will owe me a fiver after 5pm And I also said Skacel would not find a club. Looks like that was correct as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 looks like Skacel has turned down another move away and is going to be given another chance. Good news imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloridaMarlin Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 The chairman of Swansea City has told Saints that his club will not be held to ransom in its bid to sign Nathan Dyer.... .....After ten-man Saints drew with a Dyer-less Swansea at St Mary’s on Saturday, new boss Mark Wotte said: "It was on my advice that we gave Nathan a three-year contract last summer.... Interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 Interesting. i saw that....he obviously likes dyer..or thinks dyer could command a good fee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 My conclusion, we are not as hard up as people keep saying. Rupert is just trying to lower expectations. TBF it was posters on here who are seemingly ITK that kept posting various rumours of players leaving. Anything said by the management about players not having to leave were shot down in flames. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 Maybe Wotte is talking up Dyer's ability in the press to try and force Swansea into increasing their offer? Or maybe Wotte genuinely is a fan and plans to use him next season, providing we stay in the division of course! As for Skacel, it would seem he wants someone to sign him on a permanent basis with a decent contract too. Doesn't look as though anyone is willing to offer him that though. If he doesn't leave, I hope he gets his head right and gets back in the side. We could certainly do with him at either LB or LM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 i saw that....he obviously likes dyer..or thinks dyer could command a good fee I think Dyer can still do a good job for us on the right wing along with Skacel on the left wing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 I think Dyer can still do a good job for us on the right wing along with Skacel on the left wing. ------------------ Davis ------------------ James ----- Saeijs ----- Perry ----- Surman Dyer ---- Schneiderlin ---- Euell ---- Skacel -------- Saganowski ----- Rasiak ---------- Not a bad team on paper if we got back some of our loan players for next season. If only someone with a bit of money would take us over . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandwichsaint Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 I said a while back Lallana & Surman were staying. LongShot will owe me a fiver after 5pm And I also said Skacel would not find a club. Looks like that was correct as well. Best not cash that bet just yet then, the deadline has been extended cos of the weather (SSN website) and any deals genuinely in the pipeline will be allowed to proceed over Tue/Weds as weather allows. Have to say it could be a very decent window for us if we can hold onto Davis, Surman and Skacel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MINIBARCELONASAINT Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 I no this IS offtopic but are we keeping our homeshirt the same for next season???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 ------------------ Davis ------------------ James ----- Saeijs ----- Perry ----- Surman Dyer ---- Schneiderlin ---- Euell ---- Skacel -------- Saganowski ----- Rasiak ---------- Not a bad team on paper if we got back some of our loan players for next season. If only someone with a bit of money would take us over . . . All we'd need in that team is a decent right back. Think Rasiak is on loan at Watford for the season meaning we will have to stick with Mcgoldrick alongside Saganowski otherwise not a bad side to get us out of the sh1t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctoroncall Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 I wonder what price we are holding out for Dyer then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 Just holding out for more cash re Dyer, I'll wager. And why does Wotte keep saying we'll use him NEXT season. Eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoccerMom Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 Just holding out for more cash re Dyer, I'll wager. And why does Wotte keep saying we'll use him NEXT season. Eh? Because he's on a season-long loan to Swansea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 ------------------ Davis ------------------ James ----- Saeijs ----- Perry ----- Surman Dyer ---- Schneiderlin ---- Euell ---- Skacel -------- Saganowski ----- Rasiak ---------- Not a bad team on paper if we got back some of our loan players for next season. If only someone with a bit of money would take us over . . . Euell and Rasiak won't be playing for us next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 I said a while back Lallana & Surman were staying. LongShot will owe me a fiver after 5pm And I also said Skacel would not find a club. Looks like that was correct as well. what made you so sure Skacel would not get another club? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scummer Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 what made you so sure Skacel would not get another club? His wages I expect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgeismyname Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 I no this IS offtopic but are we keeping our homeshirt the same for next season???? Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 Swansea are feckin cheeky sh!tes... 'will not be backed into a corner' 500K glad we told em to ling it at that price Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 Because he's on a season-long loan to Swansea. Oh. Bet we sell for £600K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoccerMom Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 Seems to me from what Wotte is saying that Rudi is being a bit of a diva - publicly saying he doesn't want to play for the club with which he has a contract, but doesn't want to go unless the deal is on his terms. No wonder he gets put on the naughty chair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 Maybe Wotte is talking up Dyer's ability in the press to try and force Swansea into increasing their offer? Or maybe Wotte genuinely is a fan and plans to use him next season, providing we stay in the division of course! As for Skacel, it would seem he wants someone to sign him on a permanent basis with a decent contract too. Doesn't look as though anyone is willing to offer him that though. If he doesn't leave, I hope he gets his head right and gets back in the side. We could certainly do with him at either LB or LM. I think we've all seem this "spin" before. Swansea won't be held to ransom.! YEAH YEAH, we won't be rushed. But overdraft or not, we may be hard up ...but we "ain't mugs either, boyo ! " My goodness 500K... isn't even cheap chicken feed, and they are talking about breaking their club record with that sum. If they are serious about challenging for a play-off and winning the 3rd spot, they're in for a real shock in Premiership land, where £5 million is normal and no guarantee of quality. IMHO Swansea have had a good run with a very promising manager who has turned a " very ordinary " CCC side into promotion challengers and he's done it well ...and without spending a lot of money....so far. Swansea should quickly learn that in the Premiership (if thats were they want to go ..500K doesn't pay a top player for more than a month or two....and they will need a whole team ful of new players if they are to survive. In this market, even in our situation; a player like Dyer is worth AT LEAST £1 million plus a bonus ..IF they go up..... AND 25% sell-on clause when he (eventually) moves on to a " bigger " club, which he surely would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 I think we've all seem this "spin" before. Swansea won't be held to ransom.! YEAH YEAH, we won't be rushed. But overdraft or not, we may be hard up ...but we "ain't mugs either, boyo ! " My goodness 500K... isn't even cheap chicken feed, and they are talking about breaking their club record with that sum. If they are serious about challenging for a play-off and winning the 3rd spot, they're in for a real shock in Premiership land, where £5 million is normal and no guarantee of quality. IMHO Swansea have had a good run with a very promising manager who has turned a " very ordinary " CCC side into promotion challengers and he's done it well ...and without spending a lot of money....so far. Swansea should quickly learn that in the Premiership (if thats were they want to go ..500K doesn't pay a top player for more than a month or two....and they will need a whole team ful of new players if they are to survive. In this market, even in our situation; a player like Dyer is worth AT LEAST £1 million plus a bonus ..IF they go up..... AND 25% sell-on clause when he (eventually) moves on to a " bigger " club, which he surely would. Have to say I disagree. I think he's not all that good and we're much more desperate than you think or Wotte will have them think. And they know this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 how on earth are Swansea being pressed into a corner? They have the fella for 6 months no matter what (unless someone else comes in at the 11th hour to buy him) allowing them the luxery of observing him at first hand to know his true value. They also have until the end of the season to arrange a deal with us in advance of the window closing. Clearly they rate him highly already and know the longer he puts in great displays for them the more likely they will have to pay a higher fee. They are just trying to get him on the relative cheap. Fair play to them for making a judgement so quickly but buying clubs are never pushed into a corner - if they don't like the deal they can just walk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 I no this IS offtopic but are we keeping our homeshirt the same for next season???? http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/news/?page_id=10114 No, it appears it is a one year contract in line with other contracted clubs with Umbro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/news/?page_id=10114 No, it appears it is a one year contract in line with other contracted clubs with Umbro. This has since been changed after we agreed an extension to our sponsorship with FlyBe. The home shirt will be the same for next season too, but the flint away shirt will change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 I no this IS offtopic but are we keeping our homeshirt the same for next season???? have you got Dyer on the back of yours then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 So, it looks like Rudi is staying then... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Bowood Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 I'm not convinced by Dyer, a few good games a season seems to keep him employed but I'm not sure he's got what it takes to be anything other than a journeyman. Still think there's a deal to be done. Lets face it 5/600k in, plus 2.5 years at £5k/wk? off the wage bill = a benefit of around £1.25m - I'm sure Mr Barclay would like that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 what made you so sure Skacel would not get another club? Skacel wages are more than he is worth. Skacel will not take a cut to go elsewhere (and why should he as he has another year and a half on his present contract) He knows if he does not get something to suit him we will likely find a place for his experience in the team. As he is on a win win situation I concluded he would not be going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 So, it looks like Rudi is staying then... Let's hope we see the best of him and he doesn't sit brooding on the bench every week. If Wotte can get him playing, the way that Burley thought he could then we're the winners without signing anyone new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 TBF it was posters on here who are seemingly ITK that kept posting various rumours of players leaving. Anything said by the management about players not having to leave were shot down in flames. It was David Jones, Financial Director, in the club's financial statement, who said that players would have to be traded in the January transfer window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 TBF it was posters on here who are seemingly ITK that kept posting various rumours of players leaving. Anything said by the management about players not having to leave were shot down in flames. Well, its well known that EVERYTHING that emanates from SMS is spin and lies. People on here say it so it must be true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 Every time this season Skacel played, he looked like he was doing his best. Don't forget that Lowe told him if he didn't go to Ipswich he wouldn't play for the worlds best youth team again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 Interesting. May be it's like I told you all. Jan was the 10 amp circuit breaker (or fuse). We're now on to the 40 amp jobby. Anyone got a Bang and Olufsen?? Those things are so delicate that they're protected by 2 amp fuses, in the mains plug as well.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
labibs Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 Be interesting to see Rudi given a go at Left mid. At least given a chance to show what he can do there. I'm guessing the club realise that selling someone Lallana or Surman for £500,000 would be ridiculous, which is why they may have turned down bids. I still wouldn't be surprised to see one go at the last minute, maybe a panic buy. I guess the good thing is that neither Surman or Lallana is on big wages, so we won't lose them on a loans after the window closes either. I agree about Dyer, Swansea are trying to get him on the cheap. Say he plays really well and scores another 5 goals by the end of the season. Big spenders in the CCC will be happy to pay over £1m for a player like that in the summer, particularly given his age. For clubs relegated from the Prem, that will be peanuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 It was David Jones, Financial Director, in the club's financial statement, who said that players would have to be traded in the January transfer window. Perhaps our leaders have stumped up some of their not very hard earned in short terms loans to the PLC and kept stum about it. Unlike some... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 how on earth are Swansea being pressed into a corner? They have the fella for 6 months no matter what (unless someone else comes in at the 11th hour to buy him) allowing them the luxery of observing him at first hand to know his true value. They also have until the end of the season to arrange a deal with us in advance of the window closing. Clearly they rate him highly already and know the longer he puts in great displays for them the more likely they will have to pay a higher fee. They are just trying to get him on the relative cheap. Fair play to them for making a judgement so quickly but buying clubs are never pushed into a corner - if they don't like the deal they can just walk. Exactly. They're not being pressed into a corner and they know it. They just don't want to pay what we want for him so are trying to push the blame onto SFC in order to make themselves look better to their fans. Considering the current situations at the two clubs, the idea that SFC could be leaning on them is kinda funny though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 It was David Jones, Financial Director, in the club's financial statement, who said that players would have to be traded in the January transfer window. I may be a lone voice on this one, but I'm not overly sure that zero movement out and more importantly, zero money in, is such a good thing. Of course, there is definitely a massive concern that any players out would weaken an already desperate team, but the other side of the coin is that, as Jones said (and as we saw from last years accounts), I reckon we need some decent money coming in to keep us afloat!!!!!! I have no idea what the exact position is, but do think we need player trading to help reduce the losses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 Perhaps our leaders have stumped up some of their not very hard earned in short terms loans to the PLC and kept stum about it. Unlike some... Behave;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 I may be a lone voice on this one, but I'm not overly sure that zero movement out and more importantly, zero money in, is such a good thing. Of course, there is definitely a massive concern that any players out would weaken an already desperate team, but the other side of the coin is that, as Jones said (and as we saw from last years accounts), I reckon we need some decent money coming in to keep us afloat!!!!!! I have no idea what the exact position is, but do think we need player trading to help reduce the losses. I sincerely hope Swansea aren't on the phone when we ring them at 4.59pm... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 how on earth are Swansea being pressed into a corner? They have the fella for 6 months no matter what (unless someone else comes in at the 11th hour to buy him) allowing them the luxery of observing him at first hand to know his true value. They also have until the end of the season to arrange a deal with us in advance of the window closing. Clearly they rate him highly already and know the longer he puts in great displays for them the more likely they will have to pay a higher fee. They are just trying to get him on the relative cheap. Fair play to them for making a judgement so quickly but buying clubs are never pushed into a corner - if they don't like the deal they can just walk. A lot of misinformation going on imo. I bet Lowe will grab what he can at the very last minute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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