Pearson v Wotte

[Weston Saint]

Pearson (excluding Plymouth game)

 

P13 W3 D7 L3 F14 A17 P16

 

Wotte

 

P9 W3 D3 L3 F11 A11 P12

 

Just the possibility on lesser resources Wotte will prove to be a better Manager come the end of the season? Let's hope so.

[trousers]

Pearson (excluding Plymouth game)

 

P13 W3 D7 L3 F14 A17 P16

 

Wotte

 

P9 W3 D3 L3 F11 A11 P12

 

Just the possibility on lesser resources Wotte will prove to be a better Manager come the end of the season? Let's hope so.

 

It's won't be "fair" to compare Wotte and Pearson purely on match statistics at the end of the season as Wotte had the 'advantage' of being within the club for 9 months whereas Pearson came in cold.

[krissyboy31]

Pearson (excluding Plymouth game)

 

P13 W3 D7 L3 F14 A17 P16

 

Wotte

 

P9 W3 D3 L3 F11 A11 P12

 

Just the possibility on lesser resources Wotte will prove to be a better Manager come the end of the season? Let's hope so.

 

He wll have to be because if we only get 4 points from the next 4 games, we are doomed.

[lenwilkins]

It's won't be "fair" to compare Wotte and Pearson purely on match statistics at the end of the season as Wotte had the 'advantage' of being within the club for 9 months whereas Pearson came in cold.

 

I think it's far too early to tell and besides it's a futile argument - Pearson was here for a short time & should have been kept but he's long gone.

 

Not sure the 'coming from inside' is much of a help either. It didn't do Wigley, Grey or Godd and Dorman a lot of good after all.

[lumpofshipperley]

I love top trumps.

[VectisSaint]

Pearson (excluding Plymouth game)

 

P13 W3 D7 L3 F14 A17 P16

 

Wotte

 

P9 W3 D3 L3 F11 A11 P12

 

Just the possibility on lesser resources Wotte will prove to be a better Manager come the end of the season? Let's hope so.

Depends if Wotte leads us to League 2 Championship next season or not I guess.

[Saint_clark]

It's won't be "fair" to compare Wotte and Pearson purely on match statistics at the end of the season as Wotte had the 'advantage' of being within the club for 9 months whereas Pearson came in cold.

 

And Pearson had far less managerial experience.

[SaintRobbie]

Pearson (excluding Plymouth game)

 

P13 W3 D7 L3 F14 A17 P16

 

Wotte

 

P9 W3 D3 L3 F11 A11 P12

 

Just the possibility on lesser resources Wotte will prove to be a better Manager come the end of the season? Let's hope so.

 

Except you could also put alot of the blame for the previous matches on Wotte's shoulders too - in which case NP is miles better.

 

Wotte was the architect of the youth policy, let's not forget that.

[CB Fry]

It's won't be "fair" to compare Wotte and Pearson purely on match statistics at the end of the season as Wotte had the 'advantage' of being within the club for 9 months whereas Pearson came in cold.

 

 

And on the flip side Pearson had a real "new manager" effect that Wotte couldn't possibly have had, Pearson had a far better squad to draw on and brought in some loan players on serious serious wedge (hello Richard Wright).

 

And we weren't rooted in the relegation zone when Pearson walked in, despite what the revisionists make out. If Pearson had won three games in a row as early as Wotte did, then we'd have been challenging for the playoffs come the end of the season.

 

So I think the conditions they arrive in even themselves out, with Pearson having the easier job all told.

[NickG]

And on the flip side Pearson had a real "new manager" effect that Wotte couldn't possibly have had, Pearson had a far better squad to draw on and brought in some loan players on serious serious wedge (hello Richard Wright).

 

And we weren't rooted in the relegation zone when Pearson walked in, despite what the revisionists make out. If Pearson had won three games in a row as early as Wotte did, then we'd have been challenging for the playoffs come the end of the season.

 

So I think the conditions they arrive in even themselves out, with Pearson having the easier job all told.

 

seems pretty fair

[Greenridge]

seems pretty fair

 

That's a surprise.

 

Very difficult to make meaningful comparisons however the fact that Wotte was part of the seamless total football approach and was involved for 9 months in parallel with JP and responsible for making a number of the signings then I would have thought that clearly put him at an advantageous position over Pearson.

 

They come across as having a similar approach of getting players organised in a role they understand and a formation that is structured. A bit of fight, work ethic and discipline and away you go.

Edited 11 March, 2009 by Greenridge

[OldNick]

That's a surprise.

 

Very difficult to make meaningful comparisons however the fact that Wotte was part of the seamless total football approach and was involved for 9 months in parallel with JP and responsible for making a number of the signings then I would have thought that clearly put him at an advantageous position over Pearson.

 

They come across as having a similar approach of getting players organised in a role they understand and a formation that is structured. A bit of fight, work ethic and discipline and away you go.

Coming in being a Lowe man is a terrible disadvantage IMO.Wotte like other 2nd or 3rd in commands had very little say.Jan did it his way, would you expect any different? The manger may ask for opinions but normally makes his own decisions.

Both managers have their plusses, but like the RL lc debate it has already become polarised.NP will always be welcome back to SMS as far as im concerned but if Wotte keeps us up I believe he would have done a job from a worse starting position.If we were in the bottom 3 when NP arrived we would have gone down. the same may still happen under Wotte

[CB Fry]

That's a surprise.

 

Very difficult to make meaningful comparisons however the fact that Wotte was part of the seamless total football approach and was involved for 9 months in parallel with JP and responsible for making a number of the signings then I would have thought that clearly put him at an advantageous position over Pearson.

 

 

So on that logic you would still fully back the appointment of Steve Wigley way back when then - after all, all the players all knew him, involved with all the players beforehand etc etc.

 

The best appointment is the internal promotion of the second in command then, right? Because that "advantageous position" could never fail, could it?

 

That's got to be much better than a new man strolling in with a fresh pair of eyes, no preconceptions and a chance for a clean slate and a kick up the arse for the entire squad hasn't it?

 

Right?

[sidthesquid]

Depends if Wotte leads us to League 2 Championship next season or not I guess.

 

That will be the year after next

[Greenridge]

So on that logic you would still fully back the appointment of Steve Wigley way back when then - after all, all the players all knew him, involved with all the players beforehand etc etc.

 

The best appointment is the internal promotion of the second in command then, right? Because that "advantageous position" could never fail, could it?

 

That's got to be much better than a new man strolling in with a fresh pair of eyes, no preconceptions and a chance for a clean slate and a kick up the arse for the entire squad hasn't it?

 

Right?

 

No quite sure how you drew that conclusion however to be clear. Firstly you cannot disassociate the ability of the man to perform the role regardless of the position he found himself in when taking on the job. In other words Sir Alex would make a good fist of any job he took on whereas I (or you) would probably fail. Secondly, much of the team make-up was down to Wotte, we know that some of the signings where of his influence so we can conclude that the team would be players he considered good enough and also he would know something about them and their abilities and character. That's a big advantage of someone coming in cold and having to hit the ground running I'm sure you would agree?

[CB Fry]

No quite sure how you drew that conclusion however to be clear. Firstly you cannot disassociate the ability of the man to perform the role regardless of the position he found himself in when taking on the job. In other words Sir Alex would make a good fist of any job he took on whereas I (or you) would probably fail. Secondly, much of the team make-up was down to Wotte, we know that some of the signings where of his influence so we can conclude that the team would be players he considered good enough and also he would know something about them and their abilities and character. That's a big advantage of someone coming in cold and having to hit the ground running I'm sure you would agree?

 

 

No, I wouldn't and my reason for that is the fact that the vast, vast majority of "internal" appointments at football clubs (Adams, Chris Hutchings, Wigley, Gray, Les Reed etc etc) has shown that when a change of management is required more success is likely with a new man, a fresh pair of eyes, no preconceptions and a chance to start afresh.

 

Wotte did not have that luxury and Pearson did.

 

All this "insider knowledge" you seem to value is massively outweighed by the disadvantages of the internal appointment - the players know your weak spots, it's not really "new", you're seen as a "second choice" or "cheap option" by the fans and players, you are unavoidably linked/compared to the last incumbent etc etc.

 

Being a "new man" is a great liberator and in lots of walks of life you never have as much power in a new role as you do in your first flush, your first six months when energy levels and enthusiasm are at a premium.

 

I don't buy into your premise at all and I repeat I very much doubt you would use the same argument to defend the appointment of Wigley.

Edited 12 March, 2009 by CB Fry

[Weston Super Saint]

Wotte = bestest manager in the whole wide world, and we are damn lucky to have him,

[Lord Duckhunter]

Would Leicester be running away with League 1 if Wotte was the Manager.

 

What's Pearson got to do to earn some respect from the Lowe Luvvies, win the Premiership?

 

Is this ******* contest going to continue with very Manager appointed for the next 10 years? Most supporters think Lowe should have kept Pearson on, and made a mistake by not doing so.Judging every Manager that comes in against, Pearson, will still not change that fact.

[CB Fry]

Wotte = bestest manager in the whole wide world, and we are damn lucky to have him,

 

 

LOL. Don't think anyone has said anything of the sort.

 

But some managers with six months experience ten years ago in the bottom division, zero managerial jobs inbetween and then five months experience nine years later in the CCC was being described as "the best young manager in British football" (he's the same age as David Moyes and started his career at the same time) and "a future England manager" etc etc etc

 

It isn't and never will be Wotte who is the victim of ludricrous over hype on this forum.

[trousers]

It would appear that there is enough debate about how comparable they are to make any comparisions too subjective.

 

Just an opinion mind.

[saintjay77]

why does Pearson not get the Plymouth game? I was there and he was barking orders and changing tactics

 

It might not be very fair but if he didnt want the credit for that game he could have watched from the stands.

 

IMO its 2 different seasons and 2 different situations so not easy enough to compare.

[Saint Fen]

Nigel Pearson did a fantastic job and is doing so with Leicester. Lowe messed up as always and Should never have got rid of him but he has gone, so get over it people!

 

Wotte is doing a good job, under JP I don't think there is any doubt we would have gone down but now I think we have a real fighting chance of staying up. Lets hope we stay up and this man gets the same credit as Pearson did, Lowe buggers off and we actual keep him.

[Greenridge]

No, I wouldn't and my reason for that is the fact that the vast, vast majority of "internal" appointments at football clubs (Adams, Chris Hutchings, Wigley, Gray, Les Reed etc etc) has shown that when a change of management is required more success is likely with a new man, a fresh pair of eyes, no preconceptions and a chance to start afresh.

 

Wotte did not have that luxury and Pearson did.

 

All this "insider knowledge" you seem to value is massively outweighed by the disadvantages of the internal appointment - the players know your weak spots, it's not really "new", you're seen as a "second choice" or "cheap option" by the fans and players, you are unavoidably linked/compared to the last incumbent etc etc.

 

Being a "new man" is a great liberator and in lots of walks of life you never have as much power in a new role as you do in your first flush, your first six months when energy levels and enthusiasm are at a premium.

 

I don't buy into your premise at all and I repeat I very much doubt you would use the same argument to defend the appointment of Wigley.

 

This debate seems to have run it's course, you have your view and it differs to mine, not a problem. I outlined my reasoning in my previous post so little point going over that ground again. I explained my thoughts behind Wigley and why I didn't consider it relevant to this arguement. In summary I maintain Wotte had many things in his favour that Pearson didn't with the exception of being a 'new man' which is the one point you have highlighted in Pearsons favour. I'm glad Wotte is doing a good job and let's hope he can pull another 4 or 5 wins out of the bag...

[SaintRobbie]

I'd ask one question. Would JP have been in the relegation zone now if Wotte had allowed him to play men rather than being the executer of Lowe's youth policy?

[Fan The Flames]

No, I wouldn't and my reason for that is the fact that the vast, vast majority of "internal" appointments at football clubs (Adams, Chris Hutchings, Wigley, Gray, Les Reed etc etc) has shown that when a change of management is required more success is likely with a new man, a fresh pair of eyes, no preconceptions and a chance to start afresh.

Wotte did not have that luxury and Pearson did.

All this "insider knowledge" you seem to value is massively outweighed by the disadvantages of the internal appointment - the players know your weak spots, it's not really "new", you're seen as a "second choice" or "cheap option" by the fans and players, you are unavoidably linked/compared to the last incumbent etc etc.

Being a "new man" is a great liberator and in lots of walks of life you never have as much power in a new role as you do in your first flush, your first six months when energy levels and enthusiasm are at a premium.

I don't buy into your premise at all and I repeat I very much doubt you would use the same argument to defend the appointment of Wigley.

 

Your premise is it’s the act of internally appointing someone that is problematic, whereas I believe the problems are because the internal appointments are generally far less capable than the out going manager. They are second in charge or coach or youth manager and not the manager because they are not good enough, the manager is sacked and they are still not good enough, the whole football world knows it but the chairman takes the cheaper/friendlier choice.

 

However in our latest manager Wotte is more experienced than Jan and in my opinion more capable, so your theory is so wrong.

 

I don’t know why you lot keep knocking Pearson, well I do it’s because he wasn’t a Lowe appointment. Only time will tell if Pearson is as **** as you keep trying to make him out, but my theory is football isn’t very good at recognising who would be a good manager and who wouldn’t, that’s why Roeder keeps getting jobs, so it’s no shame it took Pearson all those years to get going again.

 

I really hope he does well.

[Weston Saint]

Robbie, under are a few quotes from Wotte.

 

"Jan was a mature and experienced Dutch coach and he took the decisions, played his game, took his decisions on the line. I was only there when he needed me. Sometimes he needed me and sometimes he didn't"

 

 

"When Jan left I said OK I am willing to do it if we can change some things on the staff with Michael Svensson and Dean Gorre and I need to have a chat with the older experienced players. If you take over a situation like this it's not easy and it's never going to work if the players are against it"

 

"I was very pleased to have the older players support the changes. I proposed 4-4-2, a defensive midfielder instead of an attacking midfielder, we got along well and it picked up to how we play now"

 

Blaming him for his part in this mess seems to be a bit overdone.

[um pahars]

Would I be right in saying all of these quotes were after he had got the job???

 

In which case, in the interests of fairness, perhaps you should go back and put up some quotes when he was a part of the Revolutionary Coaching Set Up (when they would go out to pubs to meet the fans together, when they would give press interviews/conferences together, when he spoke about his involvement in signing players and when they answered questions after the AGM together).

 

Wotte was an integral part of the Revolutionary Coaching Set Up, of that there can be no doubt (after all we were told this enough), to what extent is up for debate, but I do find the air brushing of his involvement in the first 28 games somewhat disconcerting.

 

I think he has done well since he was appointed and I hope he does well going forward, it's just I find hanging Poortvliet out to dry to be somewhat excusing others who contributed quite a bit to that disastrous period.

[Weston Saint]

Would I be right in saying all of these quotes were after he had got the job???

 

In which case, in the interests of fairness, perhaps you should go back and put up some quotes when he was a part of the Revolutionary Coaching Set Up (when they would go out to pubs to meet the fans together, when they would give press interviews/conferences together, when he spoke about his involvement in signing players and when they answered questions after the AGM together).

 

Wotte was an integral part of the Revolutionary Coaching Set Up, of that there can be no doubt (after all we were told this enough), to what extent is up for debate, but I do find the air brushing of his involvement in the first 28 games somewhat disconcerting.

 

I think he has done well since he was appointed and I hope he does well going forward, it's just I find hanging Poortvliet out to dry to be somewhat excusing others who contributed quite a bit to that disastrous period.

Those comments I quoted were from last week. I am not saying he does not have some responsibility I am just saying that in my opinion it is being overdone. I was not inferring anything more than that.

[lenwilkins]

Would I be right in saying all of these quotes were after he had got the job???

 

In which case, in the interests of fairness, perhaps you should go back and put up some quotes when he was a part of the Revolutionary Coaching Set Up (when they would go out to pubs to meet the fans together, when they would give press interviews/conferences together, when he spoke about his involvement in signing players and when they answered questions after the AGM together).

 

Wotte was an integral part of the Revolutionary Coaching Set Up, of that there can be no doubt (after all we were told this enough), to what extent is up for debate, but I do find the air brushing of his involvement in the first 28 games somewhat disconcerting.

 

I think he has done well since he was appointed and I hope he does well going forward, it's just I find hanging Poortvliet out to dry to be somewhat excusing others who contributed quite a bit to that disastrous period.

 

Well put - I was thinking the same thing.

 

He's hardly going to say Mea Culpa is he? It's a dog eat dog world and he's going to blame anyone but himself. Perhaps he's modelling himself on the other infallible person at the club.

 

Personally, I'm still afraid he's going to totally fkkk it up now he has finally got his own name on the back of the coaches chair.

[CB Fry]

This debate seems to have run it's course, you have your view and it differs to mine, not a problem. I outlined my reasoning in my previous post so little point going over that ground again. I explained my thoughts behind Wigley and why I didn't consider it relevant to this arguement. In summary I maintain Wotte had many things in his favour that Pearson didn't with the exception of being a 'new man' which is the one point you have highlighted in Pearsons favour. I'm glad Wotte is doing a good job and let's hope he can pull another 4 or 5 wins out of the bag...

 

Well, I think I also mentioned the increased resources Pearson had, the ability to bring in players like Wright in, the fact that Saints weren't in the bottom three (or solidly rooted to the bottom three) when he took over, and the fact that if Pearson had won three in a row as soon as Wotte has, we'd have been talking about the play off challenge Leon promised us when Burley left, not still be four points adrift as we are now.

 

Lots of reasons why the conditions for Pearson were more favourable than the conditions for Wotte.

 

If Wotte keeps us up it will be a hell of a greater achievement than Pearson's.

 

I like Nigel, I live in the E Midlands and know a few Leicester fans who love him like we did. But Wotte's acheivement this season will be greater than Nige's last, if he does it.

 

Lets hope he does.

[CB Fry]

 

Your premise is it’s the act of internally appointing someone that is problematic, whereas I believe the problems are because the internal appointments are generally far less capable than the out going manager. They are second in charge or coach or youth manager and not the manager because they are not good enough, the manager is sacked and they are still not good enough, the whole football world knows it but the chairman takes the cheaper/friendlier choice.

 

However in our latest manager Wotte is more experienced than Jan and in my opinion more capable, so your theory is so wrong.

 

I don’t know why you lot keep knocking Pearson, well I do it’s because he wasn’t a Lowe appointment. Only time will tell if Pearson is as **** as you keep trying to make him out, but my theory is football isn’t very good at recognising who would be a good manager and who wouldn’t, that’s why Roeder keeps getting jobs, so it’s no shame it took Pearson all those years to get going again.

 

I really hope he does well.

 

 

Yawn, nice try at the lamest routine in the book.

 

I'm no defender of Lowe and I am not attacking Pearson either and I ripped Lowe to shreds on here when Pearson went and Jan came in.

 

"You're a Lowe luvvie because I don't agree with you" is just pathetic on your part. Grow up.

 

At the end of the day "internal appointments" are riven with problems and just don't work in almost every single case. So sorry, you're wrong.

 

And where am I making out Pearson is "****"? Come on, show me?

 

I just think some of the ludicrous overhype of him is a bit silly and shows the usual lack of perspective on this forum. Most people on here sneer like hell at, say, Micky Adams whose acheivements knock anything Pearson has done into a ****ed hat. Pearson is on the cusp of achieving what Nigel Adkins or Phil Parkinson have achieved in recent years. People need to calm down a bit.

 

I wanted Pearson to stay and was disgusted when he was elbowed by Lowe. Disgusted. If the forum archives go back to last May, look up what I said at the time. He was great for us last season, and was the one man that would have united the fanbase under Lowe, and Lowe blew it.

 

 

 

Doesn't mean I have to buy into the cult of Pearson that has sprung up, it doesn't change the fact that Wotte has a far, far harder job than Pearson had on, and doesn't change the fact that if Wotte keeps us up it will surpass Pearson's achievement by a long, long, way.

 

So try thinking a bit more instead of chucking lame "you love Lowe" rubbish about.

 

Edited 12 March, 2009 by CB Fry

[NickG]

Would I be right in saying all of these quotes were after he had got the job???

 

In which case, in the interests of fairness, perhaps you should go back and put up some quotes when he was a part of the Revolutionary Coaching Set Up (when they would go out to pubs to meet the fans together, when they would give press interviews/conferences together, when he spoke about his involvement in signing players and when they answered questions after the AGM together).

 

Wotte was an integral part of the Revolutionary Coaching Set Up, of that there can be no doubt (after all we were told this enough), to what extent is up for debate, but I do find the air brushing of his involvement in the first 28 games somewhat disconcerting.

 

I think he has done well since he was appointed and I hope he does well going forward, it's just I find hanging Poortvliet out to dry to be somewhat excusing others who contributed quite a bit to that disastrous period.

 

but he wasn't first team manager!

[Kadeem Hardison]

It's won't be "fair" to compare Wotte and Pearson purely on match statistics at the end of the season as Wotte had the 'advantage' of being within the club for 9 months whereas Pearson came in cold.

 

In many ways not having someone new come in cold can make it harder to turn around a losing side. Players don't feel a difference so the change in mentality is a lot harder to manage.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

Pearson (excluding Plymouth game)

 

P13 W3 D7 L3 F14 A17 P16

 

Wotte

 

P9 W3 D3 L3 F11 A11 P12

 

Just the possibility on lesser resources Wotte will prove to be a better Manager come the end of the season? Let's hope so.

 

a bit of a provocative thread imo

[Weston Saint]

a bit of a provocative thread imo

Why? It is a factual opening post.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

Why? It is a factual opening post.

 

Ron - you set yourself up to be the great peacemaker and the voice of reason (with all your sources) and yet you then start an absolutely ridiculous thread that compares two uncomparable entities. If I did not know you better, from this post, I would have you down as a closet Lowe queen. Sorry, but this thread is trouble making, stupid and a waste of time. You can do better than this.

[saintjay77]

Yawn, nice try at the lamest routine in the book.

 

I'm no defender of Lowe and I am not attacking Pearson either and I ripped Lowe to shreds on here when Pearson went and Jan came in.

 

"You're a Lowe luvvie because I don't agree with you" is just pathetic on your part. Grow up.

 

At the end of the day "internal appointments" are riven with problems and just don't work in almost every single case. So sorry, you're wrong.

 

And where am I making out Pearson is "****"? Come on, show me?

 

I just think some of the ludicrous overhype of him is a bit silly and shows the usual lack of perspective on this forum. Most people on here sneer like hell at, say, Micky Adams whose acheivements knock anything Pearson has done into a ****ed hat. Pearson is on the cusp of achieving what Nigel Adkins or Phil Parkinson have achieved in recent years. People need to calm down a bit.

 

I wanted Pearson to stay and was disgusted when he was elbowed by Lowe. Disgusted. If the forum archives go back to last May, look up what I said at the time. He was great for us last season, and was the one man that would have united the fanbase under Lowe, and Lowe blew it.

 

 

 

Doesn't mean I have to buy into the cult of Pearson that has sprung up, it doesn't change the fact that Wotte has a far, far harder job than Pearson had on, and doesn't change the fact that if Wotte keeps us up it will surpass Pearson's achievement by a long, long, way.

 

So try thinking a bit more instead of chucking lame "you love Lowe" rubbish about.

 

 

 

Personally I think Wotte has got a harder job to do and comparing last seasons acheivments to this seasons hopefull survival I would say Wotte did better than Pearson did.

 

I would rather still have Pearson here though and think although it could have gone better for him last season he would have done very well for us this season.

 

I think some get confused about what is trying to be said when comparing last seasons efforts to this. I doubt there are many that would actually want Wotte here ahead of Pearson but just because some people think Wottes job is a little harder this season it doesnt mean they think he is a better manager.

 

To really judge them both I supose Wotte will have to keep us safe this season and have us at least challenging for Automatic promotion next season as Pearson is doing. Only the difference in doing it in the CCC may go to suggest 1 is better than the other.

 

Cant see that happening though so the comparison will probably keep swinging each way every week to give us something to talk about.

[Weston Saint]

It has nothing to do with Lowe. It is about Pearson and Wotte and their record to date. Pearson is proving his worth at Leicester and that is our loss. But he has gone and I am fed up with reading attacks on Wotte when he is making a difference, and I hoped for all Saints supporters he suceeds.

 

Lowe made a mistake setting Pearson aside. Lowe made a mistake appointing a man clearly out of his depth to replace him. Lowe is divisive and as soon as there is someone who can come in and give us a future I want him gone. Is that clear enough?

[saintjay77]

Why? It is a factual opening post.

 

So why was the plymouth game excluded?

[Weston Saint]

So why was the plymouth game excluded?

Because it gives Pearson unbalanced stats when he did not pick the team. Sure he was on the touchline but he did not select the players and would not have had time to set the tactics.

 

Add them in if you like.

[trousers]

Robbie, under are a few quotes from Wotte.

 

"Jan was a mature and experienced Dutch coach and he took the decisions, played his game, took his decisions on the line. I was only there when he needed me. Sometimes he needed me and sometimes he didn't"

 

 

"When Jan left I said OK I am willing to do it if we can change some things on the staff with Michael Svensson and Dean Gorre and I need to have a chat with the older experienced players. If you take over a situation like this it's not easy and it's never going to work if the players are against it"

 

"I was very pleased to have the older players support the changes. I proposed 4-4-2, a defensive midfielder instead of an attacking midfielder, we got along well and it picked up to how we play now"

 

Blaming him for his part in this mess seems to be a bit overdone.

 

Depends which quotes one carefully selects....

 

Quoting Wotte from earlier in the season makes for much more interesting reading but may, of course, not satisfy certain arguments....

 

 

 

Edit: Ahh, just seen a similar post from Um Pahars.....great minds thinking alike yet again....

Edited 12 March, 2009 by trousers

[Weston Super Saint]

It has nothing to do with Lowe. It is about Pearson and Wotte and their record to date. Pearson is proving his worth at Leicester and that is our loss. But he has gone and I am fed up with reading attacks on Wotte when he is making a difference, and I hoped for all Saints supporters he suceeds.

 

Lowe made a mistake setting Pearson aside. Lowe made a mistake appointing a man clearly out of his depth to replace him. Lowe is divisive and as soon as there is someone who can come in and give us a future I want him gone. Is that clear enough?

 

Equally, our better fortune on the pitch also coincides with the promotion of a certain long standing defender as coach..... May be something in it, may not, but I don't think it can be discounted....

[saintjay77]

Because it gives Pearson unbalanced stats when he did not pick the team. Sure he was on the touchline but he did not select the players and would not have had time to set the tactics.

 

Add them in if you like.

 

I said earlier I dont think its fair that they should count but he could have sat in the stands and let those who picked the team take the game. he was on the touch line telling them all how to play and he made the subs and factually that game goes down as 1 for him.

 

Like i said its not nice but its the facts.

 

Wotte wouldnt get the same graces because he was already at the club, JP got to a game late didnt he and didnt have enough time for the pre match talk so should that game not get put down to him?

 

Wotte is doing well considering and Pearson turned things around so they both get credit from me. Not being arsy but dont think its fair to exclude games to make it look a little better for him

[saintjay77]

Equally, our better fortune on the pitch also coincides with the promotion of a certain long standing defender as coach..... May be something in it, may not, but I don't think it can be discounted....

 

think there are too many things to consider to actually come up with a decent comparrison. they both have/had a really tough job to do with different circumstances. 1 made it and the other still has work to do.

 

Hats off to both of them if we still in the CCC next season.

[Weston Saint]

Equally, our better fortune on the pitch also coincides with the promotion of a certain long standing defender as coach..... May be something in it, may not, but I don't think it can be discounted....

Quite possibily and Wotte seems to be taking the credit for appointing him.

[Weston Super Saint]

Quite possibily and Wotte seems to be taking the credit for appointing him.

 

He's on thin ice there!!

 

If it turns out to be an inspired decision, we all know who will claim the credit

[Weston Saint]

Depends which quotes one carefully selects....

 

Quoting Wotte from earlier in the season makes for much more interesting reading but may, of course, not satisfy certain arguments....

 

 

 

Edit: Ahh, just seen a similar post from Um Pahars.....great minds thinking alike yet again....

 

And you will have seen my reply

[trousers]

but he wasn't first team manager!

 

Correct.

 

I'm not in charge of my department at work either, but I have a significant amount of influence in what happens on the 'shop floor'.....

 

Did Gordon Brown not help shape Government policy when Tony Blair was 'in charge'....?

 

Why do people continue to believe that a person in an important senior role within an organisation would not have any significance influence on said organisation?

 

I could always dredge out the quotes, interviews and videos from 9 months ago for the umpteenth time....

[trousers]

And you will have seen my reply

 

Not yet...I'm a slow reader

[Weston Saint]

Correct.

 

I'm not in charge of my department at work either, but I have a significant amount of influence in what happens on the 'shop floor'.....

 

Did Gordon Brown not help shape Government policy when Tony Blair was 'in charge'....?

 

Why do people continue to believe that a person in an important senior role within an organisation would not have any significance influence on said organisation?

 

I could always dredge out the quotes, interviews and videos from 9 months ago for the umpteenth time....

 

I doubt it. You are on here or trawling the internet all the time